Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 20, 2021

Good day and welcome to the Silvergate Capital Corporation Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Hunter Steinbeck with Silvergate Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate your participation in the Silvergate Capital Corporation's 2nd quarter 2021 earnings call. With me here today are Alan Lane, our Chief Executive Officer Tony Martino, our Chief Financial Officer and Ben Reynolds, our Chief Strategy Officer. As a reminder, a telephonic replay of this call will be available through 11:59 p. M. Eastern Time on August 3, 2021. Access to the replay is also available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Additionally, a slide deck to complement Today's discussion is available on the IR section of our website. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that this call may contain certain statements that constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These include remarks about management's future expectations, beliefs, estimates, plans and prospects. Such statements are subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors, including the COVID-nineteen pandemic that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated or implied by such statements. Such risks and other factors are set forth in our periodic and current reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update such forward statement. Now, I would like to return the call over to Alan. Thank you, Hunter, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to share that Silvergate had an outstanding second quarter. We nearly doubled pretax income compared to the Q1 of 2021. We announced our continued development of stablecoin infrastructure, including an agreement to be the exclusive issuer of DMUSD stablecoins. We continue to grow Sendleverage, our U. S. Dollar based Bitcoin collateralized lending product, and we completed the at the market equity that we launched in early March. Our success continues to be driven by strong demand for our digital currency solutions powered by the Silvergate Exchange Network or SEN. In the Q2, the number of customers on the SEN platform expanded to 12.24 and our pipeline of potential new digital currency customers remains robust as we continue to benefit from the powerful network effects created by the SaaS. We generated more than 2 $39,000,000,000 of volume on the sand, a new record and an increase of 44% compared to the Q1. We also continued to see elevated demand for cash management and foreign currency exchange services, bolstered by proprietary API, which allows our customers to seamlessly interact with us. As a result, transaction revenue from digital currency customers grew nearly 60% from last quarter to $11,300,000 Turning to Sendleverage, total approved lines of credit grew 32% to $259,000,000 compared to $197,000,000 at the end of the Q1. Importantly, Sendleverage continued to perform as designed. Despite the decline in the price of Bitcoin during the quarter, we have experienced 0 losses to date and no forced liquidations. While I continue to be encouraged by the demand we are seeing from our customers, it's no surprise that the pace of new loan commitments slowed down given the pricing dynamics at play during the quarter. As with any new product, we continue to look for opportunities to improve the design and benefits of Sendleverage to ensure we are meeting our customers' needs. Over the long term, I remain incredibly confident in the growth of Sendleverage. As I discussed last quarter, We have seen an influx of deposits from our digital currency customers who require the ability to move U. S. Dollars on the sand in real time 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In the 2nd quarter, average deposits from digital currency Grew by $3,500,000,000 to $9,900,000,000 driven by the record volume we experienced on the sand. We are prudently deploying these deposits into interest earning assets, including the purchase of $4,500,000,000 of both short and long duration securities during the quarter, while ensuring we have ample liquidity to support our customers as they transact on the Ascend. Going forward, we will continue to take a balanced approach and invest the deposits into securities that balance duration and returns. Before I turn it over to Tony, I am incredibly excited to share an update on the development of our stablecoin infrastructure initiative. In May, we announced our partnership with Diem to become the exclusive issuer of U. S. Dollar backed stablecoins known as Diem USD, designed to enable the conversion of Fiat U. S. Dollars to and from the stablecoin through a process known as minting and burning. The stablecoins can then be used by virtual asset service providers or VASPs for a variety of use cases, including commerce between consumers and merchants, as well as cross border payments. Over time, we believe stablecoins have the potential to become a meaningful payment rail for customers around the world. That said, it's important to keep in mind that we are still in the very early innings and that novel products like this often require regulatory dialogue. As the use cases for U. S. Dollar backed stablecoins increase, Silvergate is well positioned to benefit from multiple levers for monetization. First, we'll seek to earn transaction fees on minting and burning of the stablecoins. 2nd, we'll earn yield on reserve deposits while managing them in a capital efficient manner. And third, we will add a new category of customer to the spend for whom we will provide traditional banking services. We believe Silvergate's future remains incredibly bright. I will now turn it over to Tony to discuss our financial results in more detail before we take your questions. Tony? Thank you, Alan, and good morning, everyone. As seen on Slide 4, Silvergate reported the highest quarterly net income in our history, with 2nd quarter net income of $20,900,000 or $0.80 per diluted share, up from a net income of $12,700,000 or $0.55 per diluted share in the first quarter and up from net income of $5,500,000 or $0.29 per diluted share for the Q2 of 2020. The increase in both comparisons was primarily driven by revenue growth, with an increase in digital currency related fee income, as well as interest income from higher securities and send leverage balances. We also saw Higher non interest expense due to continued investments for strategic growth, including stablecoin infrastructure, as well as higher FDIC insurance expense resulting from the rate of growth and the absolute level of our balance sheet. In addition, our income tax rate was effectively 0, driven by a $5,500,000 or $0.21 per share benefit related to stock based awards in the quarter. Net interest income was up 32% compared to last quarter and up 89% compared to the same period last year. Net interest margin, which I will discuss in more detail in a moment, came in at 1.16%. Our allowance for loan losses remained at $6,900,000 representing 93 basis points relative to the loans held for investment. Turning to the next slide, Slide 5, deposits were $11,400,000,000 at June 30, 2021, a significant increase from $7,000,000,000 at March 31, 2021, driven by an increase in deposits from digital currency exchanges, institutional investors in digital assets and other FinTech related customers, with elevated client activity evidenced by the record send volume during the quarter. Non interest bearing deposits totaled $11,300,000,000 representing more than 99% of total deposits at the end of the quarter, as we continue to focus our deposit gathering strategy on digital currency customers. Similar to last quarter, our weighted average cost of deposits for the quarter was essentially 0. Turning to Slide 6, Net interest margin was 1.16% for the 2nd quarter compared to 1.33% in the 1st quarter and 3.14% for the Q2 of last year. The decline in NIM from the prior quarter was driven by lower yield on recent While the decline from prior year was due to a higher proportion of lower yielding interest earning deposits in our asset mix. As Alan mentioned, we invested $4,500,000,000 into both short and long duration securities during the quarter, which carry a lower yield as a result of the current interest rate environment. Turning to the next slide, Slide 7, Non interest income for the Q2 of 2021 was a record $12,100,000 an increase of $4,000,000 were 49% from the prior quarter and an increase of $6,600,000 or 122 percent from the Q2 of 2020. The increase in both comparisons was driven by continued growth in fee income from digital currency customers. In the Q2, digital currency fee income was $11,300,000 up 59% sequentially and up 3 71% year over year as we continue to see increased volume on the SAB, as well as related demand for cash management and FX services from our digital currency customers. Transaction fees for minting and burning stablecoins were immaterial this quarter, but as Alan mentioned, we are well positioned to benefit from the growing use cases for stablecoins over time. Turning to Slide 8, non interest expense for the quarter was $21,500,000 up less than $2,000,000 from the prior quarter and up $7,500,000 compared to the same quarter of last year. The increase in both comparisons was driven by continued investments to drive our strategic growth initiatives, including stablecoin infrastructure, as well as higher federal deposit insurance expense related to our significant digital currency deposit growth. Turning to Slide 9, our securities portfolio totaled $6,200,000,000 with a yield of 1.35 percent for the 2nd quarter, up $4,500,000,000 from a balance of $1,700,000,000 at the end of the Q1 with a corresponding yield of 2.08%. Year over year, securities increased $5,200,000,000 During the quarter, we deployed a significant portion of our digital currency related deposit growth into both short and long duration securities, while ensuring we maintained ample liquidity to support our customers as they transact on the SEND. As Alan said earlier, we will continue to take a balanced approach going forward and keep our objective of maintaining a high quality Our loans at June 30, 2021 were $1,500,000,000 down $137,000,000 or 8% compared to the Q1, driven by a decrease in mortgage warehouse balances from peak levels. The decline was partially offset by continued growth in Sun Leverage. On a year over year basis, total loans were up $373,000,000 or 33%. Overall, the credit quality of our loan portfolio remains strong. Non performing assets totaled $7,500,000 or 6 basis points relative to total assets at June 30, 2021, a slight decrease from 7 basis points relative to total assets at March 31, 2021. On slide 10, you can see a breakdown of the loan to value ratios for commercial and multifamily real estate loans along with our 1 to 4 family residential loans. At the end of the second quarter, Our weighted average LTV was 52% in our commercial and multifamily portfolio and 53% in our 1 to 4 family residential real estate portfolio. As I've said in the past, the levels at which we maintain our portfolios is key to supporting the amount of our allowance for loan losses. Slide 11 provides a more detailed review of our loan portfolio and an update on COVID-nineteen modifications. We continue to work closely with our borrowers to provide support as the economy recovers from the impact of the pandemic. On a case by case basis, we have provided commercial and 1 to 4 family borrowers a payment deferral based on demonstrated need. As of June 30, 2021, modifications totaled $23,000,000 or 3.1 percent of our total loans held for investment. Before turning to our capital ratios on Slide 12, let me briefly discuss the details of the at the market or ATM equity offering which we launched in March of Q1 and completed during the Q2. During the Q2, we issued 1,500,000 shares of Class A common stock under the ATM, bringing the total sold to 2,800,000 shares at an average price of $107.38 resulting in net proceeds of $295,000,000 We will continue to evaluate opportunities to raise capital efficiently in order to support our strategic initiatives and remain on the forefront of the digital currency industry's evolution. Now turning to our capital ratios on Slide 12. Our Tier 1 leverage ratio was 7.91% at the company level and 7.86% at the bank level with the bank ratio well in excess of the 5% minimum ratio to be considered well capitalized under federal banking regulations. Our total risk based capital ratio of 48% reflects the fact that a large proportion of our deposits are held in cash and in high grade and highly liquid securities. Our loan to deposit ratio declined to 13.09% at the end of the quarter, driven by the significant increase in deposits during the quarter. With that, I would like to ask the operator to open up the line for any questions. Operator? We will now begin the question and answer session. At this time, we will pass momentarily to Asimullah Raster. The first question comes from Joseph Baffi with Canaccord. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good morning. Great to see the continued momentum in the business Sure. I was just wondering, given some volatility in digital asset pricing, how you What you saw relative to that divergence in Send transaction numbers versus Send transfer dollar numbers because I think the Transaction numbers were down a bit, but the actual dollar volume was good and what you might have learned from the volatility we saw. And then I have a follow-up. Yes. Good morning, Joe. Thanks for the question. I'm going to turn it over to Ben in just a second to give a little bit more color. But you're absolutely right. And if you step back and look at the volumes In the broader crypto market and look at Bitcoin in particular, on chain transaction volumes, number of transactions On the Bitcoin blockchain really fell off toward the end of the quarter as well. So we kind of are Mirroring the send transfers are mirroring what you're seeing there on the actual blockchain. But in terms of that divergence between the dollar transactions and the unit transactions, I'll ask Ben to provide a little bit more color. Thanks, Alan. Good morning, Joe. So yes, as it relates to the decrease in the number of The transactions, we believe that this is due to customers keeping more liquidity at Silvergate in the form of deposits than they needed to execute their trading strategies, which led to larger dollar transfers per transaction, but a fewer number of overall transfers. So to say this Slightly differently. It's really the combination of the market conditions and the deposit balances that customers were maintaining that made it so that they weren't managing their capital allocations at trading venues quite as closely. So you can think of that as before when capital was a little tighter, Perhaps they were making just let's say 5 transfers per day just to make sure that they had the appropriate amount of capital, the appropriate venue at the appropriate time. And then as more as the price came down, as Alan was explaining, Maybe instead of 5 transfers a day, they were doing 3 transfers a day. So overall, we think it's just a temporary Outcome as a result of market conditions. That makes sense. That makes sense, Ben. And then just maybe just one follow-up on send leverage. Good growth again this quarter, but I think you've said that perhaps there could be maybe I know there was kind of a lot of demand there. And so maybe with the pullback in digital asset pricing, I don't know if that has affected your ability to continue to ramp that the send leverage balances Or perhaps we're kind of finding a better middle ground in between supply and demand right now? Yes, Joe, that's a good observation. What I would say on this, and again, I'll always ask Ben to provide A little bit more color as he is a little bit closer to it. But we're not really seeing a fall off in demand as it relates to our institutional investor clients, Tuition investor clients, the discussions that we're having with them regarding the product, but it really is More of an issue of, as you point out, the market dynamics and the fact that with the prices coming down, There just has not been as much recent demand for actual borrowing. And therefore, it also probably takes a little bit of a back burner in our customers' minds in terms of getting activated. But Ben, do you want to add any additional color to that? Yes. So consistent with the prior comments, we know that in market conditions like this, it takes time for our customers to optimize the amount of Capital that they have in the system. So we think that the right way to look at this is to compare it to traditional asset classes that are more mature and to consider What the needs of institutional investors are in that realm. And so when you do that, you see that the need for prime brokerage And ultimately, borrowing and lending services is greater than ever in traditional asset classes. Similarly, in those assets, Different trading strategies come and go and margins compress, but the underlying need for greater capital efficiency doesn't go away, and we don't Expected to go away in digital currencies either. And so, we remain Very optimistic in the growth of Sendleverage going forward and we think that it was a good quarter. As Alan mentioned, the product Operated as designed and we didn't have any losses or even any forced liquidations. So overall, we feel really good about it. That's great. Terrific results. Thanks, guys. The next question comes from Michael Perito with KBW. Please go ahead. Hey, Alan, Ben, Tony, good morning. Good morning, Mike. I wanted to I had a couple of things I wanted to hit real quick. Just one on the expense side. I guess just as we look out near term here, it sounds like there's Maybe some investments going on with building out Stablecoin infrastructure, especially with the expectation that Diem will come live at some point. But Outside of growing FDIC insurance expense as deposits potentially continue to grow, are there any other areas that we should be mindful of that You can see costs growing as the bank's revenues continue to grow? Yes. Tony, do you want to go ahead and jump in and take that one? Thanks. Sure. Yes. No, absolutely. Thanks for the question, Mike. So, yes, you're absolutely right. The investment in stablecoin infrastructure is one of the drivers in our fees. It mostly comes through this quarter in professional services. The FDIC insurance, I will say that about 80% of that expense is due to the rate of growth year over year. So if you could think of if the balance sheet had stabilized, the run rate would be significantly lower. But as we move forward, I mean, we would continue to invest In headcount, that would be probably where we would add technology folk and the like in terms of R and D and continued product development. So that might result in a shift between external professional services fees and internalizing into salaries and employee benefits. But Maybe I'll wrap up by saying, you know, the scalability of the platform in terms of the traditional volumes that we see is not Contributing to necessarily increased costs. So you can see our data processing and communication costs are relatively stable. Right. I mean, I guess, asking the question a little bit differently. The efficiency ratio in the quarter was pretty low relative to where it's been. I know you guys don't provide guidance on that ratio and it's not always totally relevant, but there's really from an operating leverage standpoint at this point, That there should be continued leverage going forward is probably a fair assumption. Yes. But I mean, as you kind of alluded to in this last comment, the revenue dynamics are harder to predict. So It's hard to put a number on the operating leverage because of that. But certainly, the revenue growth that we experienced in this quarter It was not really driven by anything related to stablecoin. And so from that perspective, if you kind of peeled out the expenses, which is probably what you're getting at, A lot of that revenue growth is coming from our kind of core expense base, whereas we use that revenue growth and we're investing in You know, kind of what are the next products to add to revenue in the future. So it's difficult to answer with specific guidance, but Definitely the revenue implication has probably a more meaningful Impact on the operating leverage than the expense dynamics, which are a little bit smaller on a relative basis. Got it. And I know, Alan, you probably provided as much as you could in your opening remarks, but just I think I guess any In terms of the pilot for Diem, I mean, is the hope still before the end of the year that It could potentially launch or is there anything else you can provide us on that at this point? Yes, Mike, it's a fair question. It's just really difficult for us to provide a direct answer on it. We're obviously diligently working on it. And I think the way we phrased it in the past is that we'd be disappointed if we weren't able to launch the pilot this year. So that's consistent with the way you just asked the And that obviously gives us a lot of room here between now year end. But we're still Working hard on it and incredibly excited about the not only the DM announcement and that project, but just the overall Stablecoin opportunity. And we think that as and Tony was just alluding to it a little bit in some of his comments. We think it's the next big thing for Silvergate. And The whole area of stablecoin infrastructure, you've probably seen it's getting a lot of attention in the press and in the regulatory circles as well. And we're really excited to be a part of it. Okay. Thank you. And then just lastly for me, the customer growth for you guys on the digital currency side on the Ascend has been pretty steady For a while now, but it feels like the fee growth rate has really kind of taken off. And I guess it's more just kind of a structural question. I mean, is that More aggressive sale efforts by you guys, is that better communication of the potential usage of products to customers that and higher take rate or I guess why in the last few quarters here has that currency digital currency related sea growth rate taken off when Obviously, you guys have had tons of customers coming on the platform for quite some time now. Yes. It's really if you think about adding customers and the fact that when we onboard a customer, They don't necessarily immediately start using all of our products and services. So maybe they're attracted by the sand And they come on board and then eventually we get them signed up For API wires or ACH and then maybe they're coming to us because of our ability to do foreign currency exchange. And so it's really growth in each of those buckets. And one of the things I think It's important to remember and we were saying this a lot in the first half of last year, and then we've just had so much Explosive growth in the last couple of quarters, that it's important to step back and just remember that None of these things are going to grow in a linear fashion. We really still believe we're in the very early innings We will have surges in different areas. We believe the long term growth is absolutely up into the right In each of the areas that we report on. But when you see one area, one specific KPI, if you will get ahead of another one. It's just a function of the fact that we're really early in this Overall transformation, I'm talking about the digital world, not necessarily specific to SilberGate. And so, depending on the nature of the particular clients that we've added this quarter or maybe last quarter that are finally coming on Stream this quarter, etcetera. So, it's really hard to predict, but we've seen no slowdown in the pipeline. And so, we believe we're just going to continue to add customers and they're going to continue to use the products and services that we're offering. Great. Thank you guys for taking the questions. Appreciate it. You bet. The next question comes from Mike DelCorasso with Compass Point. Please go ahead. Good morning, Alan, Kony and Ben. Good morning. Question around loan growth and the strategy and kind of customers you're going after with Send Leverage. I know right now it's focused on more the institutional investor cohort. But as a backdrop, this quarter Square took out a loan for a portion of its Bitcoin For treasury purposes, you're also starting to see Bitcoin miners take out Bitcoin denominated loans Because they're predominantly equity finance. So I guess the question is first question is, Have you considered expanding the customer base that you're going after? You can still retain that kind of stringent Risk protocol, but it seems like there's a lot more demand out there than just in the institutional investor base. Yes, Mike. So the short answer is yes. But I think it's important To step back and think about the strategy that we're trying to employ here. So we've absolutely entertained conversations with folks such as you just mentioned in terms of Folks that are maybe long Bitcoin that want to borrow against it. And that's certainly something because of our Send Leverage product The fact that, Silvergate has been in this ecosystem for 8 years and we've got a comfort level, and we've got a product that's working, We could certainly go after that business, but what we're really Trying to do is leverage the network effects of the SIN and continue to press our advantage there With a scalable product as opposed to doing kind of one off loans that might ultimately end up Being somewhat commoditized and really kind of a race to the bottom in terms of Someone coming in and saying, well, if you're doing that loan at 7%, we'll do it at 6%. And it's the same as with any type of loan product, right? And so whenever we think about Product and how we're approaching the market, we're thinking about it from the perspective of how do we continue to differentiate Silvergate And also continue to press the advantages that we have with the Silvergate Exchange Network. And I'll ask Ben if he has any additional comments on Sendleverage. Yes. I mean, I don't know if I can add much to that. I I think Alan covered a lot of ground there. I guess the one thing is that we do we certainly are open to Other opportunities and whether that means talking to an exchange about what their needs might be or one of these other Providers, as you mentioned, if so for as an example, if treasuries start adopting Bitcoin on their balance sheet more then this need for financing could grow, and that would be something that we would be looking to consider. But as Alan mentioned, we're always thinking about it through the lens of, is it scalable? Is it can we differentiate ourselves? Can we Can we create that long term sustainable competitive advantage? Understood. Okay. That's helpful. And I know I guess my follow-up is on the regulatory landscape. There's somewhat of an alphabet soup, if you will, of entities looking at stablecoins, whether it's FATF or FSOC, OCC, Treasury, this week we had the President's Working Group with an anticipated report here in the next few months. It sounds like Diem may be, I don't want to say on pause, but waiting for more regulatory clarity. Who is the primary regulator that you guys are looking at as far as Stablecoin guidelines or whatnot? And what's your expectation Around eventual regulation of stablecoins? Yes. It's a great observation, Mike, and so to directly answer your question, we are an FDIC insured California state chartered member of the Federal Reserve. So add to the alphabet soup, the California DFTI, the FDIC obviously, and then the Federal Reserve. Now, so those are the regulators with whom we interface directly. But it wouldn't surprise you to hear that we've had conversations with many of the other agencies as we are working on this DM project. And you're absolutely right in terms of the alphabet soup. Everybody's got an interest in this. There are some interesting dynamics at play in the fact that there are already Several existing stablecoins out there, all of whom Silvergate Banks. And so we have an interesting view into this ecosystem on behalf of our regulators even before considering the DM project. And so we are Fully engaged with all of the appropriate regulators that you would expect us to be and looking forward To bringing a pilot to market just as soon as we possibly can. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for the questions, Mike. The next Question comes from Will Nance with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Congratulations on a nice quarter and thank you I wanted to follow-up on DM relationship. I was wondering if there are any details you could share around the monetization of the net burn fees that you expect to collect on the volume? And then maybe secondarily, a higher level question. How are you thinking about the international opportunity for the product? Do you have the capability Sports, stablecoins and other jurisdictions and currencies and are there any partnerships that you would need to implement those? Yes. Ben, do you want to go ahead and jump in and take some of that and then I we can tag team it if you like. Yes, perfect. So, hi, Will. So, a couple of the use cases that we're focused on with stablecoins in general is for Commerce and remittance. And so when you think about the unit economics for those services, they're very transactional focused and margins today are very high. So we We think that there's an opportunity for Silvergate to participate in those unit economics, while also reducing the cost of the transaction for the end user, because the underlying technology is just more efficient and there's fewer intermediaries. So, It's just more efficient and there's fewer intermediaries. So as Alan highlighted, when we think about monetizing Stablecoin efforts were really focused on charging transactional fees 1st and foremost. There's also, we believe, an opportunity to manage The underlying reserve that backs those dollars that are on the blockchain by providing management of the reserve in more of an off balance sheet manner. And then the third way is to provide more traditional banking services to what we believe is A very attractive new customer segment. So then shifting to kind of the what does this look like internationally, Obviously, remittance is a significant use case, and we're excited about that. The question there is sort of What does it look like on the other side in terms of now someone in a foreign country has dollars on a blockchain? Is there another bank or a money service business that can move those dollars from the blockchain into The native currency in that area. And so there's still a lot to figure out. As you alluded to, You can imagine a world where there's euros on a blockchain and yen on a blockchain and that theoretically The conversion between dollars and euros could happen by smart contracts. And so maybe that's the answer. The last thing I'll say is, we're pretty excited about the work that we've been doing in FX over the last couple of years, setting up those relationships with like minded banks around the globe so that we can hold foreign currencies. And it's probably certainly probably too early to Provide any guidance on when that could happen or what it will look like, but just in general, the technology enables so much in terms of Reducing friction and freeing up capital. So overall, we're very excited about it. But I'll kick it back to Alan. Yes. Great. Thanks, Ben. I don't think I can add anything to that. So Let's keep moving so we can get to everybody's questions. Yes. Appreciate it. And then I guess just a follow-up on the deposit balances this quarter. You added a And it seems like the average deposits per client increased by a decent amount. I'm Wondering what you're seeing in that client base. I would have thought you were fairly penetrated already. So what does the deposit growth look like in terms of Growth from new customers versus existing customers? Yes. I can just answer that at a high level and say that There isn't a direct correlation between the clients that we added and the deposit growth per Client, if you will. It really is. Ben was talking earlier about the fact That many of our clients were probably carrying larger balances, larger cash balances, and then perhaps doing fewer And transactions, but higher dollar transactions, etcetera. So all of those dynamics are at play, Will. And so It's probably more likely that some of our existing exchanges were holding larger balances at period end Some new cryptocurrency exchange that brought in a ton of excess deposits. Got it. Makes sense. Appreciate taking all my questions. You bet. Thank you. The next Question comes from David Chiaverini with Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead. Hi, thanks. I had a follow-up on DM specifically on the economics to Silvergate. Back in May, when the partnership was announced, it sounded like you guys were Still in negotiations with the DM Association. I was wondering if there is any update or more clarity on What sort of level of basis points you're going to get on the mid burn fees? And then similarly, the economics you mentioned earlier about Earning a yield on the reserve deposits. I was wondering how much of a revenue share Silvergate will have to share with The DM Association, have those details been figured out yet? Yes, we have not shared any of Those details, yes. And it's just unfortunately still premature at this time. Got it. And then a follow-up to that question. And you mentioned about how stablecoins is the next big thing for Silvergate. Were you simply referring to DM or was that a reference to business beyond the DM partnership? Yes. It's Really, what I was trying to say there, David, is that this whole stablecoin Idea is really and the fact, by the way, that it's getting so much regulatory attention, not only in the U. S, but around the world, It just points to the fact that it is a much more efficient way to move fiat currencies In real time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. So it has the potential to disrupt all of the normal Payment channels. And I think that's why there's so much interest and attention on it. And if you think about where the existing use cases for Stablecoins are, it is really around cryptocurrency trading. That's what you've seen with Tether And that's what you've seen with the other U. S. Dollar backed stablecoin projects. They've been primarily cryptocurrency trading, although Circle has certainly Been working on penetrating more of the commercial merchant remittance Use cases. And that's really where we see the broader opportunity is in remittance And cross border payments, commercial use cases. And then for Silvergate, the opportunity to Potentially manage the reserve, which is a different opportunity from what we've done so far. But as Ben mentioned, in his last commentary, Really think about doing that in an efficient off balance sheet mechanism, so that it's capital efficient. Thanks very much. You bet. Thanks for the questions. The next question comes from George Sutton with Craig Hallum. Please go ahead. Thank you. Guys, I just have one question. I was Most enthused by the massive volume that you had on the CEN network this quarter. And I'm curious as you think about that massive volume and as we continue to learn more and more about the ecosystem and different players within it, There seem to be a lot of different use cases you could evolve to either buy versus build to start to generate more income off of that network. Can you just discuss buy versus build and just conceptually how you're thinking about building this out over the next 24 months? Yes, George, thanks for that question. It's a great opportunity to talk about how we think about potential And Ben does a really good job of articulating our strategy there. So Ben, would you like To answer George's question. Yes. Thanks. Yes. So we're constantly kind of On the lookout for ways that we can make the SEND better and by better we mean more useful for our customers. And And when we think about buy versus build, it starts by looking at our kind of our own Core competencies and what Silvergate is good at and what are the core competencies that we don't have. And so when we think about acquisitions, we really think about them from Product lens and in terms of what product could we take and plug into the sand to ultimately You know, create a better experience for our customers, which, you know, likely means greater capital efficiency, improved liquidity for the exchanges. And so that's something that we're always thinking about. In terms of you kind of the first part of your question, George, really Sort of hinted at monetization of the sand and the volume that's over there. And it really we've always maintained a long term focus In terms of how we think about the CEN and the various iterations of it. And that's what sort of ultimately got or one of the things that got us to Our focus on stablecoin infrastructure, when you think about the conversion from fiat currencies into digital currencies, That's ultimately essentially what the Send does. It's just the U. S. Dollar leg of it, but you're really that 20 fourseven programmatic API enabled solution is really what makes us the transactional bank for the U. S. Regulated on stablecoins and we continue to see growth in transaction volume from those stablecoin projects during the quarter. So anyway, so that's sort of how we think about it at the high level. We don't have anything to announce today per se, but a lot of things that we're working on. Thanks. Ben, earlier in the Call, you mentioned that you were proud of the results that you saw this quarter. And I would just say from my perspective, you absolutely should be given the environment. Congratulations. The next question comes from Eugene Kootman with Barclays, please go ahead. Good morning. I wanted to drill down on capital a bit, if I can. Looking at your capital levels with the Tier 1 leverage just under 8%, are you contemplating raising more balance sheet growth capital Or just waiting it out to see where the deposit balances moved while the stock price has taken a hit of late and it may not be the right time to raise capital today? Hi, Eugene. Yes, it's a fair question. And we We're constantly looking at our capital needs, our anticipated growth and trying to make sure that we're being capital efficient, while at the same time providing us with enough runway to support the growth that we anticipate. But as we've mentioned here a couple of times in a couple of different contexts, we're also looking at Off balance sheet mechanisms to take on some of that growth that might come, for instance, from a stablecoin project, Such as DM. And so you can rest assured that we're constantly looking At what our needs are, we feel very comfortable where we ended the quarter and Very pleased with the 2 capital raises that we've been able to complete this year so far. And We don't have anything immediately to announce today regarding any future plans, but that's probably enough Color, which probably doesn't surprise you. Thank you. That's actually so when you mentioned the off balance That was actually my follow-up. Wanted to see if you can give us a little bit more color on how you're anticipating managing DiEM reserves, assuming that there will be a pretty significant dollar volume, Specifically with off balance sheet. Yes. Ben or Tony, do you guys want to jump in on that one? Yes. I can start. So to really get to the heart of your question, Eugene, you have to look at That's how the reserves are held. Are they held in cash? Are they held in U. S. Treasuries? What are the instruments that are actually backing Those stablecoin reserves and when you look at a lot of the other projects out there, it's not really clear necessarily what the reserve Is being held in. And so in a world where you're holding reserves in cash or U. S. Treasuries, We believe that there's better ways to hold those assets off balance sheet in a capital efficient way with less of a capital requirement than you would have if you were to hold them on the balance sheet of sort of Silvergate proper. And so, we have more work to do there and Really can't provide too much more detail than that, but that's how we're thinking about it. And it really comes down to the nature of those assets and the liabilities then ultimately the capital that's required in order to support those. Right. So in a sense, The structure will be similar to what you've had before, where you would sell these 2 off balance sheet vehicles and share the yield with DM or other stablecoin issuers. Is that a fair assumption? Yes. I don't think we have anything to share today in terms of how the yield will be shared between participants. But the initial idea is that the reserve would be held on balance sheet. And obviously, in that situation, Silvergate would be earning the reserve on the or earning the yield on the reserve itself. But really what we're focused on here Is scale. And if you go kind of all the way back to and there's a few different reasons that you might have a structure like this. If you go back all the way to the President's working group statement on stablecoins from December, they talked about this concept of bankruptcy remote and which obviously is a different construct And for a bank and FDIC insurance and receivership. And so there's a lot of different things to figure out there. But ultimately, it's about striking the right balance between protecting the holders of the stablecoins, Making sure that the reserve is invested in the appropriate assets and then making sure that it's appropriately Segregated so that you don't have any outside forces. You bet. Thanks, Eugene. Sure thing. The next question comes from Ryan Todd with The Block Research. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So I think most of my questions have been answered, but I guess 1 on competition that comes up a lot. So I guess continuing from last year, we've seen a growing number of legacy payment providers and Networks make strategic moves into servicing the digital asset industry, whether that's like Visa offering APIs for banks to enable crypto purchases. Mastercard had an announcement today with Circle to enable crypto settlement. I'm Just wondering if you can comment on how you still view the current state of network effects of Ascend, specifically among your corporate non crypto exchange customers I made this growing interest from traditional legacy payment providers. Thanks. Yes. Good morning, Ryan. So on the subject of competition in general, one of the things that we've said consistently is that Distantly is that this is a growing ecosystem. And if it's going to Turn into if it's ultimately going to be what we all believe and hope it can be, then there absolutely needs all the Significant players need to come in. And so the announcement that you just referenced today with Mastercard and Circle, which follows a Visa Circle announcement, etcetera. And there are so many of these announcements. And I can tell you, as And there are so many of these announcements. And I can tell you, as an industry participant for 8 years, I love seeing this, because It just shows that despite the ups and downs of the price, this is here to stay. And Silvergate Is in a really unique position to continue to benefit from all of this growth. Specific to The sand, we don't really see these types of announcements as having any negative impact on what we do specifically because our use case here with the FEN is specific to providing liquidity, Reducing the banking friction for exchanges and institutional investors. And all of the other use cases That are coming in. We'll participate where we see an opportunity with the intersection of the Fend, Such as, I mentioned earlier, providing foreign currency exchange because a lot of our institutional investors are actually non U. S. Based entities. And so providing them foreign currency exchange, so they don't need to leave the send in order to complete Their transactions. And then the Stablecoin opportunity, which we've talked about, is another complement to the Send. Send leverage is another complement to the Send. So everything is in furtherance of this network effect and essentially Continuing to solve problems for our customers, so that we're making them more efficient. And that's what keeps that pipeline coming of new prospects and onboarding of new customers. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Alan Lane for any closing remarks. All right. Thank you very much, operator. And I want to once again, I want to thank everybody for your participation. Thanks for all of the great questions. And I want to always want to do a shout out before we lose everybody to the incredible team at Silvergate, who show up every day Literally 20 fourseven, 365 to help solve problems for our customers. We just see A tremendous opportunity to continue to provide innovative solutions for our digital currency customers. And we've talked a little bit about DM on this call. I I think it's just one example of the exciting path forward for Silvergate and the digital currency industry. And we look forward to sharing additional updates on our strategic growth initiatives in the coming quarters. So I hope everybody has a great day. Thank you. This concludes our conference. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.