Ayala Land, Inc. (PSE:ALI)
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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Nov 6, 2024

Summary

Earnings and revenues grew strongly in the first nine months of 2024, led by robust property demand and healthy leasing. Inventory levels and cancellations improved, with CapEx and launches tracking slightly below initial guidance. Unbooked revenues remain high, supporting future growth.

Moderator

Welcome to Ayala Land's analyst briefing for the first nine months of 2024. Let me start by recognizing our panel composed of our President and Chief Executive Officer, Leandro. Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Mr. Augusto Bengzon. Ms. Mariana Zobel de Ayala, Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality. Mr. Mike Jugo, Head of the Premium Residential Business Group. Mr. Dan Abando, President and Chief Executive Officer of Makati Development Corporation. Ms. Raquel Cruz, Head of the Core Residential Business Group. Ms. Issa Sagun, our Chief Human Resources Officer. Let me also welcome other members of our management team. I'm pleased to announce that we have a strong turnout for the call. We have over 90 people dialed in. Please note a copy of the presentation is available on the website at ir.ayalaland.com.ph. For questions that we may not be able to answer, we'll just email you accordingly.

Without further ado, let me turn over the mic to Mr. Bengzon.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Thank you to all of you who are joining us in person. I'm sure the 90 who are not here in person are glued to the screen and keeping track of the election results in the U.S. I think we already our Chief Executive Officer for some key messages. Let me start with the headline. The company sustained its solid earnings growth momentum for the first nine months of 2024, anchored on resilient property demand and consumer activity.

Our consolidated revenues increased by 27% to PHP 125 billion. Net income registered at PHP 21.2 billion, up 15% year-on-year. Our CapEx totaled PHP 51.9 billion, mostly for the build-out of our estates, property development projects, and leasing and hospitality assets. We ended the nine-month period with a very healthy net gearing ratio of 0.70:1 , and this was an improvement from the 0.73:1 from the prior quarter.

Turning to segment revenues, property development increased by 34% to PHP 76.6 billion, driven by higher residential and commercial lot bookings. Our residential revenues jumped by 35% to PHP 64.2 billion, while combined office and lots for sale revenues grew by 28% to PHP 12.4 billion, primarily on demand for commercial and industrial lots. Revenues from our leasing and hospitality business totaled PHP 33.2 billion. This is 8% higher, owing to the contribution of our new assets, namely One Ayala Mall and Office Towers, Ayala Triangle Tower 2, and Seda Manila Bay. Our shopping center revenues grew by 7% to PHP 16.7 billion, while office leasing grew by 7% to PHP 9.4 billion. Moreover, hotel and resorts revenues reached PHP 7.1 billion, up 13% year-on-year.

Our service business is composed of construction, property management, and other ancillary services registered a 54% growth to PHP 12.8 billion on account of additional contracts from external projects, airline ticket sales, and stable property management fees. Our net construction revenues nearly doubled to PHP 8.5 billion compared to the same period last year, while our property management and other ancillary services registered a 9% improvement to PHP 4.3 billion. Let me go into some detail on our income statement. Our real estate revenues totaled PHP 122.6 billion. This is 27% higher from last year due to higher residential and commercial lot bookings, additional contracts from external construction projects, and healthy leasing operations. Interest and other income reached PHP 2.6 billion on par with last year as higher interest income from short-term investments and cash deposits were offset by a decline in other income.

Our equity net earnings of associates and JVs increased by 2% to PHP 1.4 billion as our joint venture with the Eton Group, FBDC companies, and Ortigas Land recorded higher earnings. Our interest and investment income jumped by 85% to PHP 558 million, reflecting the higher yields generated from our short-term investments and cash deposits. Other income amounted to PHP 620 million. This is 34% lower year on year due to the consolidation of revenues from our joint venture with the Kuok Group. This is AKL Properties, the developer of our Aera Estate and ALP's Ciela project in Carmona, Cavite. These revenues were now consolidated under real estate revenues. Total expenses grew by 29% to PHP 94 billion. With business activity ramping up, our real estate expenses totaled PHP 75.8 billion, up 34%, while our general and administrative costs increased by 8% to PHP 6.7 billion.

Our GAE ratio, however, has settled at 5.4%, lower than the 6.3% in the first nine months of last year. Our EBIT margin stood at 33.9%. This is lower than 36.4% from the same period last year, but sequentially higher than our first half level of 31.8%, and well within our target range of 30%-35%. Interest expense, financing, and other charges totaled PHP 11.5 billion, 14% more than last year, due to a higher average borrowing rate and a higher average daily loan balance. Deducting expenses from revenues, income before tax grew by 20% to PHP 31.2 billion. We had an income tax provision of PHP 6 billion, 16% higher year on year, translating to an effective tax rate of 19.1%. Income before non-controlling interests totaled PHP 25.3 billion. This is 21% more than last year.

Netting out our non-controlling interests from our JVs, which grew by 61% to PHP 4.1 billion, net income attributable to ALI equity holders grew by 15% to PHP 21.2 billion. Let me break down our revenue profile. Our strong residential bookings, commercial lot sales, additional external construction projects, and healthy leasing operations drove top-line growth. Property development revenues rose by 34% to PHP 76.6 billion. To break this down, our residential revenues jumped by 35% to PHP 64.2 billion on the back of higher bookings across all segments. On the other hand, our office for sale revenues declined by 29% year on year to PHP 2 billion due to lower incremental POC, which offset new bookings during this period. We also have not been launching any more office for sale projects.

Meanwhile, our revenues from commercial and industrial lots surged by 51% to PHP 10.4 billion, driven by lot sales from Laguindingan Technopark, Nuvali, and our Broadfield estates. Our leasing and hospitality revenues reached PHP 33.2 billion. This is 8% higher year-on-year. Shopping center revenues advanced by 7% to PHP 16.7 billion, coming from the contribution of Ayala Malls One Ayala, as well as higher average rental rates. Our office leasing revenues grew by 7% to PHP 9.4 billion from increased rents, as well as the contribution of our One Ayala East and West Towers and Ayala Triangle Tower 2, both of which have reached full occupancy. Moreover, hotels and resorts revenues reached PHP 7.1 billion, up 13% year-on-year, owing to the contribution of Seda Manila Bay, higher room rates at Seda Vertis North, as well as higher occupancy of Seda Nuvali Tower 2.

Our service businesses, composed mainly of construction, property management, and ancillary services, grew by 54% to PHP 12.8 billion. MDC nearly doubled its net construction revenues to PHP 8.5 billion on account of additional contracts coming from the 50-MW ePLDT Data Center project in Santa Rosa, Laguna. APMC's property management revenues, combined with other ancillary services, generated PHP 4.3 billion. This is a 9% improvement, primarily from airline ticket sales and property management fees. Summing up our top line, real estate revenues amounted to PHP 122.6 billion. This is 27% higher from the previous period. With interest and other income of PHP 2.6 billion, total revenues grew by 27% to PHP 125.2 billion. Let me turn now to some of our business units, our SBUs, starting with the residential business. Our residential reservation sales reached PHP 100.5 billion for the first nine months of 2024.

This is up 17% year-on-year. 63% of our reservation sales came from the premium segment brands ALP and Alveo, while 37% came from the core segment led by Avida. 64% of our reservation sales went to our vertical developments, while 36% went to our horizontal projects. Our year-to-date sales performance translates to a monthly average of PHP 11.2 billion. This is 18% higher than the annual monthly average of PHP 9.5 billion last year. Just to cite the performance of some of our exemplary projects, the sales performance during this period was led by Premier's Park Villas in Makati, The Courtyards in Vermosa, Alveo's Park East Place in BGC, Caleia in Vermosa, and The Ametrine in Portico, Pasig City. In terms of the buyer profile, 72% of our sales went to local Filipinos, 27% higher than last year to PHP 72 billion.

Sales to overseas Filipinos, which comprise 16% of the total, was down 10% from last year, given the relatively limited launches we had at the core segment, which is, as you know, the preferred product type by the OFs. While sales to other nationalities grew by 9% to PHP 11.9 billion, accounting for 12% of residential sales. In terms of other nationalities, 55% of our sales went to American passport holders. This is 5% higher year-on-year. For the first nine months, we launched 15 projects worth PHP 45.6 billion. Notable launches in the third quarter were Ayala Land Premier's Orchard Vistas at Anvaya Cove in Bataan, Ayala Greenfield Estates' Brookside Park in Calamba, Avida's mid-rise condominium offering Sentria Storeys Vermosa in Cavite, and the second tower of Amaia Skies Sta. Mesa in the City of Manila.

79% of our launches are in the premium segment, with an almost even split between vertical and horizontal projects. We'll make sure that we are well within our target inventory levels. Turning over to our leasing businesses. For our malls, total malls GLA stands at 2.1 million sq m. Just a note here, this is actually 60% higher than the 1.34 million sq m we had 10 years ago. Our portfolio lease out rate is 90%, slightly lower than last year due to the opening of One Ayala in the fourth quarter of 2023, which is in the process of being leased out, and experiencing a healthy lease out today.

The average occupancy or the average lease out rate for our malls stands at 90%, while the revenue for the pipeline, which is our under-construction mall, stands at 181,000 sq m. For our offices, total GLA now stands at 1.4 million sq m. This is more than double the 610,000 sq m we had 10 years ago. The average lease out rate for all our offices is 89%, the same level as the same period last year. Please note that we opened two new office buildings with a total GLA of 47,000 sq m. The total office pipeline under construction stands at 250,000 sq m. With regard to tenant mix, 76% of our office portfolio is leased to BPOs, 12% to corporates, and only 1% to POGO back-offices. Our vacancy rate of 11% is significantly lower than the industry average, which currently stands at 18%.

For our hotels and resorts, we have a total of 4,522 rooms. This is more than double the 2,000 rooms we had in 2014. Occupancy and room rates continue to be healthy. The average occupancy for all hotels was 65%, while it was 44% for all resorts. Just slightly down 2% respectively for both of these segments. Our total number of hotels and resort rooms in the pipeline or under construction currently stands at a little under 1,000 rooms, 920 rooms. These are the leasing assets we opened in the third quarter of this year, 60,000 sq m of commercial leasing space, of which 47,000 represents our openings in the office sector coming from Park Triangle Corporate Center in BGC and the South Tower of One Ayala with 12,000 sq m of GLA. Park Triangle Corporate Center had a total of 35,000 sq m.

One Ayala is going to be hosting corporate headquarter type of tenants. We also opened an additional 13,000 sq m of GLA at Ayala Malls Vermosa in Cavite. We've got 12,000 sq m to go for Vermosa. That should be opening by next year. In terms of CapEx currently stands at close to PHP 52 billion. We spent 49% on residential projects, 27% on estate development, 13% for leasing and hospitality assets, and 11% on remaining land acquisition commitments. We did declare a budget of about PHP 100 billion. We believe that we'll be coming in at around PHP 85 billion within the year. There's going to be some pushback on some of the launches, and therefore, the costs will be deferred into next year. Our debt portfolio remains well managed, with 88% contracted into long-term tenors and 70% locked in in fixed rates.

Our average borrowing cost has moved up by about 30 basis points. We should be ending the year at about 5.4%. We've been able to extend the average maturity, now standing at 4.3 years on account of the sustainability-linked loan with the IFC last October 11. That was PHP 14.5 billion at 5.99% that had an eight-year tenor. Expect us to go back to the debt capital markets in this last quarter. Our balance sheet is quite healthy. Net gearing ratio of 0.70:1. Cash of close to PHP 22 billion. Our total borrowings amounted to just under PHP 270 billion or just an increase of 4% from the end of last year. Our stockholders' equity ended at PHP 352.9 billion. That's 10% higher from the end of 2023. Current ratio at 1.77x, as well as a debt-to-equity ratio of 0.76x, better than the end of last year.

Our interest coverage ratio as well as our net debt-to-equity ratios showed further improvement to 5.3x . Interest coverage ratio at 5.3x . Just to summarize, consolidated revenues increased by 27% to PHP 125.2 billion. Net income came in at PHP 21.2 billion, up 15% year-on-year. CapEx of close to PHP 52 billion. We ended the nine-month period with a healthy net gearing ratio of 0.70:1. That ends my presentation, and I'd like to turn over the floor to our President and Chief Executive Officer.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Thank you, Augusto, and good afternoon to everyone. Just a few points to share with everyone this afternoon. The ALI business lines continued with their strong performance, sustaining the 15% NIAT growth. Take-up in the residential business was solid at 17% growth, improving our overall inventory to 18 months, which is significantly lower than the industry average and lower versus our end 2023 level of 22 months. Our RFO, or Ready For Occupancy, comprised 12% of our residential inventory. In Metro Manila, our RFO is at 7%. As you can see, our inventory levels are at healthy levels compared to inventory based on industry reports by Colliers, also better than our situation this time last year. We will continue to move our inventory with quality sales by incentivizing our sales team, tactically matching our pay terms to what each project requires, and tapping new markets.

We have recently established two international offices, one in London and another in L.A. These have proven effective, demonstrated by the decrease of the cancellation impact to revenue at 8%. If we are talking specifically just of residential, cancellation would be at 7% of revenues. We expect to end the year with a total of PHP 80 billion in launches, modestly higher versus last year and in line with our capital management program. Of our planned launches for the remaining months of the year, more than 90% of these are just awaiting license to sell. Given the unique position of our inventory, almost half of the projects for launch in the coming months are in our core segment, bringing fresh product to the market. More than 70% of our launches will be horizontal projects, and only one will be in Metro Manila.

The rest are predominantly in Laguna and Cavite. Full-year CapEx is tracking PHP 85 billion. This is lower than previous forecasts as we reduced our launches and staggered the start of mall and hotel reinvention to minimize disruptions in our operations. The reinvention of our malls is proceeding in Glorietta, Greenbelt, Trinoma, and Ayala Center Cebu. We expect to end the year at an average of over 40% completion rate and to complete the reinvention by 2026, as originally planned. We welcome new merchants to our malls, including Landmark, which opened at Ayala Malls Manila Bay last October, and Anko of Australia, slated to open their first Philippine store at Glorietta 2 today, November 7. We are bullish on the mid to long-term prospects of our estates as we look to benefit from the road and rail infrastructure programs of the government and the private sector.

We broke ground the Ayala Greenfield SLEX Interchange last October 14 with San Miguel Corporation and DOTr, giving our 700-hectare estate its own interchange and providing direct access to our second regional mall in Laguna, which we will launch no later than 2026. We have also divested AirSWIFT to Cebu Pacific. They expect to increase the number of round-trip flights by 30%, and in turn, we will focus on Lio Airport, which we will expand to accommodate double its current passenger capacity. Lio Estate, where we will develop new hospitality formats and expand Seda Lio, as well as our commercial district in the next five years. Just to summarize, strong performance at 15% NIAT growth, residential take-up still up at 17%, inventory levels down to 18 months, RFO at 12% and cancellation now down at 8% of revenues.

Launches for the year is expected at PHP 80 billion with 90% of the remaining projects for launch just awaiting LTS. Our full-year CapEx will be at PHP 85 billion. Infrastructure projects continue to enhance the value of our estates and our land bank. Thank you.

Moderator

Thank you, Ms. Mariana and Sir Augusto, for the presentation. We will now proceed with the question-and-answer. For the over 140 that are now dialed in, you may use the chat box function, or you may choose to raise your hand and we will unmute your line. We will start with questions on the floor. Are there any? Mr. Carl Stanley from Regis Partners.

Carl Stanley
Director, Regis Partners

Thank you. Good afternoon. I'll ask a little bit about the residential business first. It was mentioned that unsold inventory is down to 18 months. I'd like to ask if between Premium and Core, is there a large discrepancy between the number of months?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Not really, Carl. It's a Premium, which is the segment that's been growing quite strongly is at 19 months, and Core, which accounts for about 1/3 of the total, is 16 months. The average overall is 18 months.

Carl Stanley
Director, Regis Partners

Got it. Thank you. I'll ask also a little bit about your views on residential demand. It looks like for the nine months, Core actually slowed down compared to the first. Microphone. Okay. I believe in the first half, the Core sales was still up maybe 6% or 8%. It's now flat for the nine months. It looks like from the unsold inventory numbers, this wasn't really a supply issue. You had product to sell. To me, it looks like there's some weakness in demand. First, is that your view? Am I looking too much into a single quarter? And how do you see this segment and Premium segment going forward?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Well, Carl, I think strategically we made a decision. I think 16 months is probably already on the low end. If you will recall, we were asked in the past when will we be more aggressive in the Core segment. What are those leading indicators that we're going to look at? We said interest rates coming down. That only started coming down last month. I think going forward, we're going to be, and I think the Chief Executive Officer has alluded to this, we will be more aggressive in the Core segment.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Actually, for the remainder of the year, correct me if I'm wrong, 50% are going to come from the core segment. Last year, I think we were less than 20% core of the total launches for the year. This year, we are actually forecasting about 30% of full-year launches will be core. This is how we think about it. We've really focused on the core in the last few years, particularly after the pandemic, we faced quite a number of cancellations, and let's just say we really cleaned shop and made sure that we are really moving product. The team has been very focused on that. We haven't been launching, and yet we managed to increase our gross take-up. I think we're already reaching a point where we're comfortable where we are in inventory. We're comfortable with the projects that we have.

We believe they are very strong projects. We realize that in certain parts of the market, there is an oversupply. Fortunately, we are not geographically in those areas. We believe that the products that we will be launching in the core will actually be very strong. We'll restart our launches in the core in the fourth quarter of this year.

Carl Stanley
Director, Regis Partners

Thank you for that. My next question or set of questions would be on the mall business. From what I can tell in the third quarter, revenue growth was slower than in the first half. I want to check if perhaps there was a little bit of a quirk from the redevelopment. Is it fair to say that effectively some portion of the portfolio is not generating revenue?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Well, generally, I think we do see a bit of a slump in the third quarter. If we look at same-store sales for our flagship malls, which are generally the bulk of the reinvention, we saw 9% growth. For the existing inventory, it's still growing healthily. I think we shared at the last analyst briefing that we've allocated about 5% of our GLA a year for our merchant replacement program.

Carl Stanley
Director, Regis Partners

Okay. Just to see if I understand. Does that mean up to 5% of the space is not generating revenue?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Is in a period of transition.

Carl Stanley
Director, Regis Partners

Okay. Yeah. That explains a lot. Thank you. Those are all of my questions.

Moderator

Thank you, Carl. If we have other questions from the floor. Ms. Jelline Gaza from JP Morgan.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. Good afternoon. My first question is on the residential CapEx. I recognize that in the third quarter it was down around 20%+ quarter-on-quarter. Can you explain what has driven this? Is it a factor of cash flow matching or seasonality in terms of wet weather? How should we think about it going forward into the fourth quarter, especially with the magnitude of new launches in the pipeline?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

We're forecasting our CapEx to be at PHP 85 billion for the remainder of the year. We're quite confident that we will achieve that. I realize that it is lower than the guidance that we gave a quarter ago, the difference is really coming from some delays in our start. We've basically decided to stagger the start of some of our leasing reinvention, that delayed some of the CapEx for the year. There were also some delays in the payments of land as landowners continued to deliver on some CPs, or condition precedents, in our land acquisitions. Residential CapEx for the year is pretty much aligned with our original forecasts.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Excuse me. I think in relation to that initial question, I was wondering that in the past we usually see a bump in residential revenues towards the fourth quarter. Is that a trend that we can expect this time around or is it more normalized this time?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Well, couple of things because we're laughing because we had this exact discussion ourselves. The third quarter usually there is a dip in the GTU and the gross take-up because of Ghost Month. August we tend to lose a couple of weeks in August as far as sales are concerned. As you can see, typically we have a lot of launches in the fourth quarter and this year will not be any different. We're expecting increase in our GTU or gross take-up in the fourth quarter as we have the launches.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

How about residential revenues like percentage of completion?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

I think it's a little bit more skewed towards the last two quarters of the year, Jelline, when we recognize. If you remember historically our launches are also back-ended. It's back-ended into the prior year then you get to the 10% threshold in that succeeding year, and then that's when you start recognizing revenue. Generally you'll see a bump up in the, I'd say the second half of the year.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Thank you for that explanation. I think lastly before handing over the mic, question on the pre-sales for Park Villas and Park East Place. It's a common question from clients so might as well get it out of the way.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

I think I'll hand this over to Mr. Jugo. We have good news there.

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

For Park East Place I think last quarter we mentioned we're at 58%, we're now at 63%. For Park Villas we said last quarter we're almost at 40%, now we're at 40%. I think we also want to note for Park Villas this take-up that we had considers that we've actually increased prices from launch by as much as 15%.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

15%.

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Yeah. Thank you.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Okay. Thanks, Sir Mike.

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Thanks, Jelline.

Moderator

Thank you, Jelline. I also invite the 148 callers if there are any questions you may use the Raise Hand function or you may type your question in the chat box. Far there are none. We have one question coming in from Ms. Xuan Tan from Goldman Sachs. Xuan, you can unmute your line.

Xuan Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Just one question on what you're seeing on the ground and the research for regular launches in fourth quarter other than inventory being at a more manageable level. Are you seeing improvement in demand? Which segments?

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Hello. Yeah. For the fourth quarter, half of it will be coming from Core. There's going to be one project in an area where we believe demand will be strong. For Premium, demand will be steady. We're really hoping for a very strong Christmas season.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

I think the movements in the interest rates have also helped, we're looking forward to reflecting in lower mortgage rates, which would further boost our core residential.

Moderator

Thank you. As a follow-up question, we have a question from Mr. Paolo Garcia of ATR Asset Management. What is the company strategy for launches moving forward to 2025? Should we expect similar to this year's in terms of premium and core, in terms of horizontal vertical mix?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

We foresee a growth in launches, we'll end this year at about PHP 81 billion. We'll be PHP 80 billion. We're forecasting maybe double-digit growth again in our launches. As you can see, we're beginning to do more launches in the core segment. In the past few years, we've really been launching premium products. As we are hitting our desired level in the core segment, we're actually forecasting to launch more core products by next year. As to the horizontal and vertical split, we'll probably stay where we are with about 50%-60% on the verticals.

Moderator

Thank you, Ms. Mariana.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

If I can just add, this is a call out to all the bankers. I know monetary transmission is a little bit delayed. The central bank has started to cut rates. We hope the banks will follow suit by cutting mortgage rates as well. Hopefully by the first quarter, bring it down, guys.

Moderator

Thank you, Sir Augusto. Our next question, we do have Mr. Sangameswar Iyer from Consilium Investment Management. Sangam, you may unmute your line. Sangam?

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

Yeah. Hello.

Moderator

Yes, we can hear you.

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

Yeah. I just want to understand, what is giving you the confidence that the core segment is picking up strongly? Is it because the local Filipinos are buying more compared to the overseas, which is why you believe that the core segment launches would actually garner more interest compared to the luxury launches? Can you give me some idea that gives us a flavor as in why you think that the core would be a segment where we would see more demand compared to the luxury?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Let me take a stab at that first. Just on the macro. This segment, most of them do require homes. I think what we were looking forward to was to see interest rates declining. We think that with interest rates declining, and hopefully that getting transmitted to lower mortgage rates, this will encourage the core buyers who have been pretty much on the sidelines in the past couple of years to start coming out and buying the homes that they deserve. I think that has been the leading indicator for us that we've been watching out for rates finally to start coming down. We saw that. We just need to see it again with the mortgage bankers. Please transmit the lower policy rate into your mortgage rates.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Also, if you look at the data that we're sharing with you, our inventory levels are now down to 18 months with core at 16, actually, which is where it was, I understand, in 2019. Our cancellation rates are now at 8%, 7%, if you only look at residential. Our RFOs are actually a very healthy 12% levels. If we look at our internal data and the health of the products that we have, we feel that it's time for us to refresh effectively our offering in this segment.

Moderator

Thank you, Ms. Mariana and Sir Augusto. Do you have follow-up questions, Sangameswar?

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

Yeah, I have a follow-up. Given the inventory levels are tied up at all-time low in 15 months or 18 months on the overall market share, do you see possibly the delay to new launches, will that impact on [inaudible] revenue growth going forward? We have been holding back on new launches this year and the contribution rates for next year from revenue recognition perspective will actually take time. Would that mean that when you verify the interim rates, it will be more of a consolidation rather than growth at least in the short term?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Well, actually, if you look at our unbooked revenues, it has begun to increase again. I understand we're at about PHP 147, which is roughly three years' worth of property development revenues. Even as we launch new projects, we think that we have enough unbooked revenues to recognize. Also, a lot of our launches are horizontal, and horizontal projects take about three years to complete. The revenue recognition cycle is going to be faster because we've been launching more horizontals than verticals. Relatively, compared to before the pandemic.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Just to clarify or to close that out. We do have unbooked revenues close to PHP 147 billion. As we accelerate launches next year, the unbooked revenues will continue to rise. Essentially, we've gotten to the stage where we are now seeing unbooked revenues rising, and as we accelerate launches next year, then there will be a further increase in unbooked revenues.

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

Okay. Just a follow-up on the mall revenue for BGC. Are we done with the revamp of the mall that you were planning earlier this year? In regards to the revenue recognitions from the mall, how do you see the mall revenue going forward? Can you give us a flavor of the overall conversion demand that you're seeing there?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Yeah. The short answer to your first question is no. The reinvention projects are slated to continue through 2026. As mentioned, we've timed the merchant replacement program, which really has the most direct impact to mall revenues to cap it at about 5% of the total GLA per year. We were worried that the construction was going to affect the sales of some of the merchants in the mall that are not being affected by the merchant replacement program, and actually, they have not. We've been pleasantly surprised by that.

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

How are the malls, [inaudible]? Are we seeing improvement coming in overall, or are you still seeing that there's a big gap between new conversion and footfalls?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Our footfall is up 10% year-on-year. As mentioned, the same store sales for our flagship malls are up 9% year-on-year. Still quite healthy. Again, when you have 5% of the GLA in transition, plus the fact that as mentioned, we were at 90% lease out, we see probably 2%-3% uplift through the end of the year.

Sangameswar Iyer
Investment Advisor, Consilium Investment Management

Okay.

Moderator

Thank you, Sangam. Related to interest rates, we have a question from Mr. Wilson Nang. How do you see your 5.3% cost of debt trending through the year and next year now that interest rates are falling?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

I can just see as far as the end of the year, we're almost there. 5.4% is my prediction, Wilson. 10 basis points more.

Moderator

Thank you, Wilson, for your question. We now have Ms. Yvonne To. Yvonne you may now open your mic.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi, can you hear me?

Moderator

Yes, we can hear you.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

All right. The first question that I have is can I just confirm that the unbooked revenue was PHP 147 billion?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

We confirm.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, thank you. Regarding the unsold inventory. I understand that it is 12% RFO. What is the split between those in Metro Manila and outside Metro Manila?

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Let us look for that.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, sure. Also the split between premium and core. I think you mentioned it's one for core.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

We will get back to you on the split. For RFO, 7% is in Metro Manila. 7% RFO in Metro Manila.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. For the whole unsold inventory, 7% is Metro Manila.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

We'll get back to you on how that is split, the data we can give you today is as follows. Of our inventory in Metro Manila, 7% are RFO.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. I'm sure. Following on this question, could you share a bit of color on how are they faring in terms of those in Metro Manila and outside Metro Manila in terms of the effort to lower unsold inventory?

Moderator

The question is if there's any difference between the selling effort for RFOs between Metro Manila and outside Metro Manila RFOs.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Let Mike and Raquel maybe opine on this.

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Yeah. Because of the location, the residential typology outside of Metro Manila are typically lots. We don't really see any kind of difference in terms of selling strategy.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Right. Not just the selling strategy, but the take-up rate in the 13 months between Metro Manila and the rest of Metro Manila.

Raquel Cruz
Head of the Core Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Hi, good afternoon. For the Metro Manila inventory or most of the core inventory, we've seen a lot of improvements there, and I think that's what's driving the lowering of the inventory. One is because there's been confidence in the market. Second is there's been a lot of activity going back to offices. There's a lot of increase also both at the end use and the leasing market. Our RFO inventory are mostly in the VisMin area, and we've been just moving those property and the units. In terms of how we view the market, I think both of them, both the Metro Manila and the VisMin areas, are actually picking up for the residential condominium market.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you so much. Just my final few questions. Your pre-sales are great compared to your industry peers that's not doing as well as you are. Many have shared that because they've raised reservation fees, they have held back on launches. They've also been diverting efforts to lower unsold inventory. My first question is, what are you doing differently to grow your pre-sales? Why do you sell better than your peers? That could be the first question for you.

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Yvonne.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Okay. I suppose not one single answer. Maybe there are two things. One is we focus on the premium segment when there was softness in the core segment coming out of the pandemic, and I think that has served us well. Second, the issues in the core that we saw very early on coming out of the pandemic, we immediately addressed. Maybe we were, in fact, ahead of the curve in terms of recognizing the issue in that segment. As a result, we're maybe also a little ahead in terms of addressing that problem. Maybe the third also is if you look at. Again, I refer to the Colliers report that came out. We are not in the geographic locations where some of the weakness in the market in general is.

I suppose that means we're not experiencing the same weakness or even cancellations that may be experienced in those geographies. I think those would be the three. Are there others?

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

I think especially for the launches for this year, a key strategy of the company is to focus on quality. What we've really done is reviewed very carefully the brand offerings. I think the recent products that we've offered, the market has really received these quite well.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

That's all from me. Thank you so much.

Augusto Bengzon
CFO and Treasurer, Ayala Land

Just to respond to your question on RFO. We did present earlier, the Chief Executive Officer did mention 12% of our residential inventory is RFO. Now, if we just look at our RFO in Metro Manila and use the Metro Manila total inventory as the denominator, our RFO percentage would be 7%.

Yvonne To
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you very much.

Moderator

Thank you, Yvonne. We have one question from Sonia. What is the mix of mortgage versus cash finance buyers?

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Rough.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

In the premium, about 20%-30% get the mortgage. In the core, about 90%-95% would get the mortgage.

Moderator

Thank you, Ms. Mariana. Do we have any other questions on the floor? Jelline?

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Thank you. This question is for Sir Mike. Park Villas has been at 40% pre-sold levels for, I think, three quarters already. Are you considering the project on track on what you wanted to achieve in terms of sell-out for this project?

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Yes. Far. We technically have not launched the project. We started doing private selling late December. Considering this is the tenth month, I think we're quite pleased where we are in terms of take-up.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

You're confident that even after the 15% price increase, there will still be takers?

Mike Jugo
Head of the Premium Residential Business Group, Ayala Land

Yes. Thank you.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Okay. Understood. On the horizontal, I understand that it's the major driver of pre-sales growth for the third quarter, more than 30% year-on-year growth for third quarter alone. For fourth quarter, 70% of the launch pipeline will be horizontal. What's happening there specifically that drives your optimism? In terms of geographical locations perhaps, or brands, or estates that have reach maturity that's driving that growth. Any color would be appreciated. Thank you.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Our horizontals are most in the Cavite, Laguna area, so south of Metro Manila, where historically the take-up has been very good. They're also mostly in our estates which again, we typically get very good reception. As I mentioned earlier, the infrastructure in the south is really driving the demand for these products. I suppose we're quite happy whenever we launch about the surge, the take-up in the first six months of projects launch. We continue to be very optimistic about the projects that we will be launching in the fourth quarter.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Could you give us an idea on the price increases in terms of PHP per square meter in those two provinces?

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

Typically, we do around 5%-7% per year.

Jelline Gaza
VP, JPMorgan

Thank you. Thanks so much.

Moderator

We have a few questions coming in from Mr. Chang Qi Ong of JP Morgan Asset Management. Chang Qi, you may unmute your line.

Chang Qi Ong
Executive Director, JPMorgan Asset Management

Can you hear me?

Moderator

Yes, we can hear you.

Chang Qi Ong
Executive Director, JPMorgan Asset Management

I want to come back to the discussion about the premium segment for Ayala Land. I think in 2023, you launched probably about PHP 25 billion worth of projects. In 2024, based on the discussion, we are looking to launch somewhere about PHP 50 billion of premium projects. Based on your current observation, again, demand, supply, both in the near term, how is it characteristic of the forecast? Do you think you can continue to grow the absolute amount of launches in the premium segment going into 2025? If the answer is yes, are we looking at single-digit growth? What kind of teens growth or more than teens growth? The absolute spend for launches for the premium segment.

Mariana Zobel de Ayala
Group Head of Leasing and Hospitality, Ayala Land

We will continue to grow it. I think overall, we're looking at low double-digit growths, but premium will probably be high single-digit growths.

Chang Qi Ong
Executive Director, JPMorgan Asset Management

Got it. High single digits for premium. Okay. Thank you very much.

Moderator

Thank you, Chang Qi. I think we have room for just one more question from the floor or online. If there are no more questions, let me close our nine-month analyst briefing. Thank you very much for attending.