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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 2, 2023

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Ayala Land's briefing on our first half results. Joining us on the line are 72 participants. We would like to remind everyone that the presentation and the press release are available on our website, ir.ayalaland.com.ph. Allow me to introduce our panel, led by our President and CEO, Mr. Bobby Dy. Our Chief Operating Officer, Miss Meean Dy. Unfortunately, Mr. Bengzon couldn't join us physically today, so please allow me to share the presentation on his behalf. Afterwards, we can proceed with the Q&A. To start, Ayala Land delivered solid operational results in the first half of 2023, fueled by the sustained resilience of the property market and consumer activity despite prevailing macroeconomic concerns. With consecutive growth in the first two quarters of the year, we posted total revenues of PHP 66 billion, 24% higher year-on-year.

Second quarter revenues reached PHP 35.1 billion, 14% better than the first quarter of 2023. Net income registered at PHP 11.4 billion, up 41% year-on-year. In the second quarter, net income amounted to PHP 6.9 billion, 52% more than the first quarter. Capital expenditures reached PHP 38.7 billion to bolster our residential and commercial projects. We recorded a net gearing ratio of 0.75: 1 as we managed our debt and liquidity prudently and kept our balance sheet strong. Turning to segment revenues, our Property Development segment grew by 13% to PHP 38.7 billion from higher residential completion, bookings, and sales of commercial and industrial lots and office units. Property development revenues totaled PHP 21.7 billion in the second quarter, a 27% uplift from the first quarter of 2023.

Residential sales reservations in the first semester increased 18% year-on-year to PHP 58.3 billion, as second quarter sales reached PHP 30.6 billion, 10% more than the previous quarter. Meanwhile, commercial leasing revenues improved by 39% year-on-year to PHP 20.2 billion due to higher occupancy and rents. Commercial leasing revenues totaled PHP 10.1 billion in the second quarter, similar to the first quarter of 2023. Moving to the income statement, our real estate revenues reached PHP 64.5 billion, representing a 23% increase fueled by the strong performance of the Residential and Commercial Leasing segments. Interest and other income reached PHP 1.5 billion, 46% higher than the previous period. This growth was attributable to higher equity earnings from unconsolidated associates in joint ventures and income from interest and investments and other sources.

Our equity and net earnings from associates and joint ventures surged by 63% to PHP 871 million, driven by higher revenues of Ortigas Land, our joint venture with Royal Asia, FBDC Companies, and Eton Properties. Meanwhile, interest and investment income amounted to PHP 217 million, marking a 70% increase from the same period last year due to higher yields from short-term investments and cash deposits. Other income generated from marketing and management fees from our joint ventures amounting to PHP 400 million, reflecting an 11% improvement from last year. On expenses, they increased in line with our revenues. For the period, this amounted to PHP 50.3 billion, 24% increase from last year. Real estate expenses reached PHP 39.2 billion, up 28%, while general and administrative costs increased by 24% to PHP 4.1 billion. Consequently, the GAE ratio settled at 6.3%, slightly higher than 6.2% last year.

On the EBIT margin, it stood at 34.1%, better than the 30.6% we recorded in the first quarter of this year and exceeds our historical average of 33%. Interest expense, financing, and other charges totaled PHP 6.9 billion, 6% more than last year, as we reflected higher interest rates on our borrowings and on higher average daily loan balance. Deducting expenses from revenues, income before tax grew by 23% to PHP 15.8 billion. This increase translated to an income tax provision of PHP 2.7 billion, 2% higher year-on-year. As a result, income before non-controlling interest totaled PHP 13.1 billion, 29% more than last year. Netting off non-controlling interest, which declined by 19% to PHP 1.7 billion, net income attributable to ALI equity holders grew by 41% to PHP 11.4 billion. Our Residential and Commercial Leasing segments fueled our top-line growth.

Property development revenues increased by 13% to PHP 38.7 billion, driven by higher residential project completions, bookings, and sales of commercial and industrial lots and office units. Residential revenues reached PHP 31.2 billion on higher completion and bookings. Office for Sale revenues registered a 44% growth from last year, owing to sales from One Vertis Plaza in Quezon City. Revenues from commercial and industrial lots totaled PHP 5.4 billion, similar to last year from sales generated at Arca South and Broadfield estates. In Commercial Leasing, revenues improved by 39% to PHP 20.2 billion from higher occupancy and rents. Shopping Center revenues surged by 49% to PHP 10.2 billion. Office Leasing revenues increased by 8% to PHP 5.8 billion, and Hotel and Resorts revenues advanced by 79% to PHP 4.2 billion. Moving on to Services composed of our construction company, Makati Development Corporation, and property management company, power services, and our airline, AirSWIFT.

Total revenues amounted to PHP 5.6 billion, 55% higher than the previous period. MDC posted net construction revenues of PHP 2.7 billion, 64% higher than last year, given the contribution of its external projects. Meanwhile, APMC, AirSWIFT, and power service companies' combined revenues grew by 48% to PHP 2.9 billion due to higher AirSWIFT patronage and parking usage. Summing up the top line, real estate revenues amounted to PHP 64.5 billion, a 23% growth from last year. With interest and other income of PHP 1.5 billion, total revenues grew by 24% to PHP 66 billion. Moving on to our margins, starting with the Property Development business. The average gross profit margin of horizontal residential projects was 48%, 5 percentage points higher than last year due to more high-margin projects such as Ayala Land Premier's Ciela in Cavite, Avida's Avida Settings Greendale in Alviera, and Averdeen Estates in Nuvali.

The gross profit margins for vertical projects increased to 37%, and Office for Sale margins slightly increased by 43%. However, commercial and industrial lot margins declined to 52% during the period owing to sales mix, with more sales coming from emerging estates such as Broadfield and Crescendo. Meanwhile, on Commercial Leasing, the shopping center's EBITDA margin improved to 63% from 59% due to higher occupancy and rent. Offices' EBITDA margins slightly declined to 91%, and the overall EBITDA margin of Hotels and Resorts reached 32% from higher occupancy and average room rates. Lastly, the overall EBITDA of service businesses is 11%. Turning over to the operating statistics of our businesses, starting with Property Development. Sales reservations in the first semester increased by 18% year-on-year to PHP 58.3 billion, as second quarter sales reached PHP 30.6 billion, 10% more than the previous quarter.

Our first half sales translates to a monthly average of PHP 9.7 billion, 38% are horizontal projects, and 62% are vertical. Sales were driven by Alveo's Park East Place in BGC, Ayala Land Premier Ciela in Carmona, Cavite, Arcilo in Nuvali, Laguna, Parklinks South Tower in Quezon City, and Avida Towers Makati Southpoint. Now, in terms of the sales breakdown by nationality, 67% were sales to local Filipinos, 19% higher than last year. Sales to overseas Filipinos were up 12%, while sales to other nationalities grew by 26%. They account for 20% and [30%] of the total, respectively. On other nationalities, 57% were sales to Americans, 9% higher year-on-year. Meanwhile, sales to Chinese buyers continue to comprise 1% of total sales.

Three new projects with a combined value of PHP 23.1 billion were launched to the market in the second quarter, namely Alveo's Park East Place in BGC, the second tranche of ALP's Arcilo in Nuvali, and Amaia Steps, The Junction Place, Delicia in Quezon City. These developments bring Ayala Land's total launch value to PHP 31.9 billion in the first half of the year, and 73% are composed of vertical projects and 27% are horizontal projects. We'd like to highlight that last June, we launched a flagship project in BGC, Alveo's Park East Place, offering 532 units with a launch value of PHP 18.1 billion. It's located at the corner of the 32nd Street and 9th Avenue and is positioned at the center of BGC, and 28% of the project has already been sold since its launch. Moving on to our Leasing business, starting with the malls.

Higher occupancy and rents boosted shopping center revenues. Our total malls GLA stands at 2.1 million square meters, and the average occupancy rate for all malls is 83%. The lease-out rate of our portfolio is 89%, while the total GLA under construction is 243,000 sq m. For this year, we will open 44,000 sq m of GLA at One Ayala Avenue and the first phase of Ayala Malls Vermosa at 5,000 sq m. On Office Leasing, higher tenancy and rental rates drove the steady growth of the segment. Our total GLA stands at 1.4 million square meters, and occupancy rate for all offices is 89%. The total office pipeline stands at 215,000 sq m as we launch new projects to capture the demand for new office space. We look forward to the opening of One Ayala Avenue, the third tower of the mixed-use development, by next year.

Regarding GLA tenancy, BPOs occupy 72% of our portfolio, 11% by headquarter-type tenants, 4% by co-working space plug-in, and only 2% by POGOs. On Hotels and Resorts, the travel resurgence in the country raised our occupancy and room rates. We have a total of 4,126 rooms in our portfolio. Occupancy has improved significantly, where the average for all hotels was 68% and 45% for all resorts, up 15 and 19 percentage points respectively. Total Hotel and Resort rooms in the pipeline stands at 1,416, and during the quarter, we opened an additional 88 rooms at Seda Nuvali. For the year, we expect to open 444 rooms between Seda Nuvali, Seda Manila Bay, and Hatch Sicogon. Moving on to our CapEx, it totaled PHP 38.7 billion in the first half of the year.

We spent 55% on residential projects and 11% on Commercial Leasing projects, 5% on malls, 4% on offices, and 2% on hotels and resorts, 17% on land acquisition, 14% on SA development, and the remaining 3% on other general uses. We have a well-managed debt position with 86% locked in fixed rates, an average borrowing cost of 4.9%, and an average maturity of 4.6%. We contracted 95% into long-term tenors.

Finally, our balance sheet stands strong with a net gearing ratio of 0.75: 1. Cash and cash equivalents stood at PHP 14.6 billion as of June 2023. Total borrowings amounted to PHP 244.7 billion, an increase of PHP 8.6 billion or 4% from the end of December 2022. Stockholders' equity ended at PHP 307.5 billion, 5% higher than year-end 2022, and our current ratio is healthy at 1.94: 1. Total debt- to- equity- ratio stood at 0.80.

Our interest coverage ratio is 4.4x and is within S&P's prescribed range 4x-6x . To summarize the performance for the period, Ayala Land delivered solid operational results in the first half of 2023, fueled by the sustained resilience of the property market and consumer activity despite prevailing macroeconomic concerns. With consecutive growth in the first two quarters, we posted total revenues of PHP 66 billion, 24% higher year-on-year, as second quarter revenues reached PHP 35.1 billion, 14% better than the first quarter of 2023. Meanwhile, net income registered at PHP 11.4 billion, up 41% year-on-year. In the second quarter, net income amounted to PHP 6.9 billion, 52% more than the first quarter.

Capital expenditures reached PHP 38.7 billion to bolster our Residential and Commercial projects, we recorded a net gearing of 0.75: 1 as we managed our debt and liquidity prudently and kept our balance sheet strong. Thank you very much. Now let me open the floor for our Q&A.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Maybe, Mike, before the Q&A, maybe I'll just make a few comments. I think first, given the first half results were basically highly encouraged in terms of the performance of the company. If you look at all business lines, I think all business lines basically grew at a fairly healthy clip when compared to the first half of last year. Moving forward, we're very hopeful, especially as some of the macro challenges start getting addressed, like inflation and hopefully interest rates moving to the second half starts flattening, if not tapering off now. We feel that moving to second half, we'll be introducing more projects, we're going to have more launches. We're also going to be opening new commercial assets in the next six months. Overall, we feel good about the results, and we're very positive for the second half of the year.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, Bobby. Maybe we can open the floor for questions from our live audience. Any questions from the floor? Yes, Carl, please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good afternoon. I have a couple of questions. First, actually, it is about the tax rate. It looks like the taxes for the first half only went up 2%. Looks like tax rate is probably just in the teens. Is this something we should expect to increase in the second half?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

No, actually, when you look at what has happened because of the REIT structure. The REIT still gets consolidated into our books, but the REIT has a very different tax regime, as you know. Therefore, when you now look at the overall average tax rate of Ayala Land, because we have now the REIT vehicle, so the average has actually come down.

Speaker 3

Okay. You think ALI's tax rate is sustainable?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

That will depend on the mix and how we grow moving forward.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Obviously, if we're able to ramp up again on the development side, then that will basically change the mix, and also how fast we're able to inject assets into the REIT.

Speaker 3

Got it. On the residential segment this time, I'd like to get some feel for, let's say, how are cancellations now relative to.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Okay. Maybe I'll pass it on to Meean.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

I guess I'll answer that in terms of the impact on our revenues because that's, I suppose, really where it hits our P&L. It has remained at around 10%. The revenue impact of cancellation has been at 10% of our property development revenue. Obviously, because the revenue has also increased, the impact in terms of absolute value has increased. This quarter, we experienced, I guess, a little bit higher cancellations on the Office for Sale products, particularly of Alveo. I guess with the work from home and higher vacancies in the Office segment, that is something that can be expected. On the other product lines, it's starting to moderate.

Speaker 3

Understand. To clarify, what you meant was, if not for the cancellations, development revenue would be approximately 10% higher.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Correct. Yes.

Speaker 3

What's the unsold inventory level now? Yeah.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Basically, in the first quarter, we had reported about 24 months, now we're at about 22 months.

Speaker 3

For the payment schemes this time, have you started to tighten the payment schemes?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

You have to look at it on a per segment or per brand basis. ALP, we're basically back to pre-COVID. Alveo, we're basically back to pre-COVID on the horizontal but slightly longer still on the vertical. Avida, as you know, in the middle income segment, continues to be on a stretch payment term basis, and Amaia's been fairly the same as pre-COVID.

Speaker 3

Got it. For the second quarter specifically, it looks like OFW sales picked up. I was wondering, first, do you credit that to anything? Also, could you tell us what products were popular with, let's say, the OFWs?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Just make a general comment. I think in general, we feel good about the market, both domestic and international. We've put in quite a bit of focus in the international market over the last maybe 12-18 months. Meean and her team in ALISI have basically beefed up our international sales. I think that now is resulting into, I guess, higher sales coming from international. In general, I think both domestic and international are actually experiencing fairly good growth rates as compared to a year ago.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Actually, the roughly 2/3, 1/3 mix. Two-thirds local Filipinos, 1/3 OFW and other nationalities, which is really mostly OFWs. That split hasn't really changed, beginning maybe sometime end of last year to this year. We are more aggressive, obviously, this year, as far as our international sales are concerned. We have, I expect about little more than almost 40% more in international sales activities compared to last year.

Speaker 3

I believe previously you mentioned that the product that was popular with at least of the international sales were Metro Manila condominiums, Alveo and Avida. Would that still be the case?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

That's still the same, yes.

Speaker 3

Sure. For Office this time, you previously had a target of trying to get to mid-90s occupancy. Would that still be the case now?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

No, right now we're at 89%. Actually, half of the vacant space is really in a site that was previously occupied by a POGO in Circuit. We're still trying to look for the appropriate tenant for that location.

Speaker 3

Got it. Yeah. Thank you. Those are all of my questions.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, Carl. Any more questions? Mr. RJ Aguirre, go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good afternoon. I have several questions. One is follow-up to Carl's question earlier. Meean, can you give us a context on the 10% cancellation, what it was back in pandemic or last year versus pre-pandemic, if you may, and yeah, that's the first one.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Last year's about the same. You're looking at about 10%, so basically flat compared to a year ago. If you look at pre-pandemic, you're looking at maybe around 5%, 6%-7%. That was the range pre-pandemic at that time.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. My next question is on offices. You have a pipeline of 215,000 sq m. Can you give us a timeline on which years the bulk would that be taken into the market?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

We have one that will be completed early next year, which is the tower at One Ayala. We do have BTOs under construction now in Iloilo. Expect that to be in place in about 18-24 months. We also have one under construction in Nuvali. Again, expect that within the next maybe 18 months or so.

Speaker 5

Bulk is like in the next 18?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

No, the bulk expected over the next couple of years.

Speaker 5

Right.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Next two years. We'll be introducing a new project. These are more fairly sizable ones in Quezon City, in the Vertis area, two towers in Vertis. That will take a little bit of time. That will be maybe four years down the road.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Bobby. My last question is on the funding cost. Noticed a bit of uptick, like 50 basis points. The current long-term borrowing cost, 4.9%. Is that expected to go down, or is the trend going to be that case?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Depends on, I guess, what happens to interest rates moving forward. I think expect for this year, that is basically the level, if not slightly higher, because we do have some more funding requirements for the balance of the year. Hopefully, as what everybody's expecting, what people are talking about, that interest rates will start tapering off next year, then hopefully that, again, starts coming down. My sense is we will probably be a little bit over 5% at the end of the year. Hopefully by next year, that again starts coming down.

Speaker 5

Is it part of the reason why your floating is increasing as well? Floating cost is increasing as well? Expectation that-

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Building construction cost?

Speaker 5

No, the floating interest rates are increasing as a percentage.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

That's part of the strategy, yeah. We want to make sure that we manage it, given the expectations that rates will start coming down next year. We want to make sure that we lock in at the most appropriate time for mid to long-term loans.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Bobby. Thank you, Mike. Thank you.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, RJ. We have a few questions on the line. Let's start with Wilson Lang. Are you seeing any increase in office demand from POGOs?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

No.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

The next questions. We have a few questions from Mr. Marvin Obordo of F. Yap Securities. The first one is, which we, I think, answered already earlier. He's asking about the date of the breakdown on the existing residential inventory per segment. I guess we gave the value already.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

As I've said, it's 22 months across the board.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Okay.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

That came down from 24- 22 months.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

All right. Thank you, Bobby. The next question is, what are the factors that would explain reservation sales continue to be robust despite rising interest rates? What segments drove this?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Well, this quarter in particular, we had a very strong launch in the Alveo BGC project.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

East.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Park East Place. That's an PHP 18 billion valued project, and we were able to sell close to 30% in one month.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Maybe I could just add also a general comment. I've been telling a lot of people that we're actually in a very good place here in the Philippines. When you look at the economic growth that we continue to experience when we compare it to other countries, we are growing at a very significant clip. I think probably one of the highest growth rates in the world. Thus expect economic activity, thus expect residential development or commercial sales or consumption to continue to be robust, just because of the way the economy is performing. I think that accounts for why, if you look at across all business lines, we continue to grow at a fairly good rate compared to a year ago.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

In line with that, Bobby, he has a question on residential outlook for the remainder of the year. What do you see going towards next year, and what segments are expected to perform well?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

I think we remain very positive. I think we have a very good pipeline, particularly for our premium brands, as well as Metro Manila or estate projects for our core brands. We foresee that the growth will continue throughout the year. I guess on our launches, we remain confident that we will be able to launch the projects that we have initially planned for this year.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, Meean. We received an interesting question from Mr. Joseph Alcine of T. Rowe Price. Any feedback from BPO office tenants on risk of AI displacing employees?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

The feedback we've gotten from the industry is AI will augment human skills, right? That also means that there's a need for upskilling, which is, I think, what the industry and the government now is trying to address, to make sure that as AI gets deployed in a much broader scale that the skill set of our people are able to keep up. The initial feedback that we got is they don't expect any major disruption over the next two, three, or even the next five years. It doesn't mean that the jobs won't change. The jobs will have to evolve, and the key now is for us to upskill the existing talent that we have. The challenge actually that we have in the Philippines, according to IBPAP, is we don't have enough people to fill up the jobs. That is the challenge right now.

It's not a challenge of are people going to be displaced? We cannot keep up with the kind of demand that companies are asking for. Again, job training, upskilling will be key.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, Bobby. We have [JT] on the line raising his hand. I guess we can open the line.

Speaker 6

Hi.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Go ahead, [JT].

Speaker 6

Yes. Can you hear me?

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Loud and clear. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Okay. First of all, congratulations on the numbers, strong recovery. It's related to the question earlier. Our channel checks also show that record-breaking sales for Park East Place. Are you seeing this across the other developments as well? I guess I just wanted to get a firmer grip of the outlook. Are you seeing something different now as compared to when you looked at the market and real estate demand at the start of the year or in December? If so, to what would you attribute those? I understand it's economy related, and also perhaps expectations that rates are peaking or have peaked. Just curious as to what your strategic insight on that would be. Thank you.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

I think I talked about this when we presented our year-end results. If I recall, we had actually a very positive outlook for the year. The results that we're seeing, I think is basically in line what we had communicated and expected at the start of the year. I think the only minor change that I saw was that I think most people at that time, they were expecting interest rates to start coming down by the second half of the year. I think that's now been pushed to next year. It's obviously got a little bit of impact, but from the results we presented, as you could see, that we still continue to operate at a fairly good growth rate despite interest rates staying at this particular level.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Bob. One final question. Could you talk about that outlook in relation to CapEx and capital management for the next year or two? Launches if you can.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

It's too early for us to communicate anything next year, but the CapEx number that we had provided when we did the year-end results presentation in February, which is about PHP 80 billion-PHP 85 billion. I think we're basically tracking that we'll be spending anywhere from PHP 80 billion-PHP 85 billion in CapEx, in line with what we had communicated at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, [inaudible]. Any more follow-up questions? Okay, we can move on to Ms. Xuan Tan of Goldman Sachs.

Xuan Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. I just have one question on cancellation. I do recall that earlier you mentioned you expect cancellation to moderate. Does that still stand? Can you give your latest thoughts on cancellation, please?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Yeah. As Meean had said, it's fairly flat, but there's a little bit of a change because we see that there may be some slight moderation on the residential, but what we saw was an uptick in the Office for Sale. We've seen a little bit more cancellations in that. When we now compare it year-on-year, it's fairly flat, but the mix has changed on where the cancellations are coming from.

Xuan Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. When can we expect this 10% to moderate to pre-pandemic level?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Well, we're hoping over time, maybe hopefully by next year, it starts really coming down a significant way. That will now be dependent on interest rates, the economic environment, and how people are viewing some of these investment assets, particularly on the office for sale in particular.

Xuan Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

If I can just follow up. What's driving this higher cancellation for Office for Sale?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Maybe I can take that. For office for sale, I suppose it's really driven by the availability of alternatives. With overall office market at close to 20% vacancy, it becomes, I guess, less of a compelling proposition as an investment property. That may have changed, I guess, the perspectives of some of our office buyers. I wanted to add also on the non-office segment. I think it's also driven, yes, by interest rates, but it's also by how quickly the market can tighten payment terms. The tighter the payment terms, the less likely cancellations will happen. I think we have to take that into account when we think of the likelihood of cancellations going forward.

Xuan Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you. That's all from me.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, XT. The next question comes from Jose Rafael V. Mendoza. Any guidance on residential project launches versus the previous target of PHP 110 billion, as launches as of the first half are at PHP 31.9 billion. What are some of the remaining projects for the rest of the year?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

I think when we talked about that PHP 110 billion was basically on the Property Development segment, not just residential. Now, if we look at the total portfolio, I think what we had mentioned a while ago was we're now seeing inventory levels come down from 24- 22 months. We want to tighten that further. When we now look at our outlook, we're now projecting that we'll probably coming in at about PHP 100 billion for the year.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

I suppose for us, the launches, it really needs to follow what the inventory levels are. It all depends on how quickly we can bring down the inventory as well as what mix of projects we will be launching. Now, for example, I think we're going heavier on horizontal projects for the remainder of the year, just as we're waiting for the vertical inventory levels to start coming down.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Okay, thank you. Maybe we can entertain again questions from our live audience. Mr. Thomas Wang. Thank you.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thank you for the briefing. I have two questions. First question is the elevated cancellations for office for sale aside, would it be fair to assume the 2Q levels for both office for sale and commercial industrial lot sales, that will continue for the rest of the year, at least on outlook? That's my first question. For the office for sale and commercial industrial lot sales revenues basically, booked in 2Q, would it be fair to assume that will continue for the rest of the year, at least outlook from what you're seeing?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

On the commercial lots, industrial lots, we're not seeing any kind of elevated cancellation.

Speaker 8

Okay.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

We're not seeing that. The only thing that we saw this year that's different from last year was the office for sale. We will see what happens in the second half. Hopefully, typically, when you see these cancellations, there's a wave, and then it starts tapering off. As you know also, our office for sale is not a very big part of our portfolio. It doesn't consist of a large part of the development business.

Speaker 8

Demand is on to 3Q, and what you're looking at, it's been maintained demand?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

We're seeing some movement, but it's not for office for sale. Again, as Meean mentioned, given the vacancies that people are seeing in the market, so it's been a little bit slower on the office for sale segment.

Speaker 8

Understood. Okay. Thank you. Second question, correct me if I'm wrong. 2Q versus 1Q office revenues, there was a slight dip. I'm just wondering if we can get context on that versus 1Q.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

It's not meaningful when you look at it that short-term, because sometimes it's just a renewal of.

Speaker 8

Renewal wise

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

It is just a renewal. It is nothing that I would read into.

Speaker 8

Understood. All right.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

I think the business continues to be quite solid. We have not seen any kind of major departure or reduction of space in any of our larger tenants.

Speaker 8

Got it. More probably of renewal timings. Yeah. Okay, thank you.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you, Thomas. Let's go back to residential. We have a question from Mr. [Hakim Baharuddin]. Question is: When do you expect to tighten the payment scheme for the Avida project?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

It's hard to say. Again, this is an industry, we can't also act alone. Once we see, let's say, for example, significant demand or demand picks up in a significant way, I suspect that all the major players will start tightening up the terms. We basically track the industry. I think what the industry outlook right now, at least the last six months and maybe the immediate couple of months, is still fairly the same payment terms. I think at least for the next couple of months or so. Again, as we've said, if demand picks up, then that's an opportunity for us and also the industry to tighten up. We're also playing it a bit tactically, depending on the project. If the project has a strong take-up, then maybe we'll take the opportunity to tighten in those particular projects.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Maybe just to add, we've been in this, I guess, extended payment term regime for a while now. I think what we've also done is we've adjusted our own back-end processes just in anticipation of this kind of payment terms. For example, we're stricter in terms of making sure we cut reservations if it doesn't progress by a certain point, more aggressive in terms of our collection processes. Because we've been at this for maybe more than two years now, so we've also adjusted our own processes, our own policies, and our own back-end just to make sure that we avoid further cancellations as the process goes on.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Okay. We have Ms. Jelline Gaza from JP Morgan.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks, Mike. We have three questions. First is on the lot sale margins. We noticed a considerable drop in terms of margins. Is this something that you think will be sustainable given your mix of things that you will launch to the market going forward? If not, will it revert back to the 70+ % margin that you used to enjoy?

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

To the commercial and industrial lots.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Commercial lots.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Maybe just to give you a flavor, those lots can go anywhere from, let's say PHP 40 million per lot to PHP 1 billion per lot, depending on what estate. Is it an industrial lot or a commercial lot in Metro Manila or a commercial lot in one of our provincial estates? There really is a natural variability. I think 50% is probably the lowest margin levels for projects like that.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, understand. Thank you for that. Second question is on the outlook on the pipeline of new launches. I understand you've been asked a lot of questions before this on the launches. What we particularly want to understand is, what's the readiness of the market to absorb, yet again, another PHP 15 billion-PHP 20 billion type of vertical condo similar to Park East or similar to Parkford Suites in the next maybe second half or next year? Do you think the market can absorb another project launch like that? If yes, what's the outlook?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

Yes. We feel that way. In fact, what we're seeing is strength at the higher end of the market. If we do decide to launch, let's say, an ALP or an Alveo vertical, rest assured that we feel fairly good about the prospects, as demonstrated by the recent launch we had in BGC.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Will it be second half of this year or will it save it for next year?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

No, yes. I hope so. Yeah. Third quarter. We're planning another major premium launch in the third quarter.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Understand. Thank you. The next two questions are more just data. The first one is on the pre-sale split. Can you expound how much of that came from NCR versus outside? Secondly, on the unsold inventory, understand that it declined, but can you give us an idea about the split between vertical, the trend, as well as horizontal in the unsold inventory? Pre-sale split between Metro Manila and outside, as well as unsold inventory trend.

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

The last number I saw was maybe about, I think, 19 months on the horizontal. We're checking the numbers now, about maybe 24, 25 months on the vertical, or something like that.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

On the sales take-up, 53% Metro Manila and 47% provincial.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, thank you.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

We'll get back to you on the breakdown on horizontal and vertical.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

Horizontal and vertical on sales, I think this year we moved closer to vertical or this quarter more vertical because of Park East Place. 62% vertical, 38% horizontal.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Thank you.

Meean Dy
COO, Ayala Land

For the first half.

Jelline Gaza
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

In line with that question on inventory, we received a question from Joy Wang of HSBC. She's asking: What would be a comfortable level for management?

Bobby Dy
President and CEO, Ayala Land

I think the guidance we've been given for the last several years has not changed. 18-24 months is our target inventory level.

Mike Garcia
Head of Investor Communications and Compliance, Ayala Land

Thank you. We received a question from Yu Yu: What is the unbooked revenue as of the first half of 2023? I guess I can take that. The total value right now is PHP 162 billion. One question from Angeline [Giaculo]: Can you provide updates on the deferment of the sale of the receivables in the first quarter? I think we were able to raise around PHP 4.8 billion in net proceeds as of the first half. Any final questions from our participants on the line and our live audience? Okay. I don't see any more questions, so I guess that's my cue to close our briefing this afternoon. Thank you very much. I hope you guys were very pleased with our results as of the first half. Thank you for joining us.

We have some snacks in the back, so please enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you