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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Nov 6, 2023

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thank you for joining us for the Third Quarter 2023 Analysts' Briefing. We are happy to report that Globe continued to post sound operating and financial results in the first nine months of 2023. Globe achieved a fresh record high quarterly revenue of PHP 40.7 billion, which brought our year-to-date revenues to PHP 121.1 billion, also a fresh all-time high. This performance was made all the more impressive given the challenging economic backdrop the company is operating in. This sustained revenue growth was driven by, as usual, growth in mobile and corporate data, complemented by a robust contribution from our non-telco services. This top-line growth, coupled with our proven cost management, resulted in EBITDA reaching PHP 60.7 billion for the first nine months of 2023, higher by 1% year-on-year.

This figure is another record high for the company, an indication of the company's solid cost management strategies despite the inflationary pressures pushing costs up. Globe's EBITDA margin, which stands at 50%, is tracking within our guidance for the full year. Normalized net income for the third quarter 2023 amounted PHP 4.8 billion, stable quarter-on-quarter, while for the first nine months of the year, normalized EBITDA reached PHP 14.8 billion. Given these results, our board of directors approved the fourth quarterly cash dividend of PHP 25 per share, consistent with our declarations over the past few years, reiterating also our commitment to a sustainable dividend policy. We're also happy to share the following developments within the Globe Group, each of which will be discussed in greater detail later in the presentation.

Firstly, Globe entered into an agreement with Mynt for the sale of its 77% stake in ECPay for PHP 2.31 billion, effectively harmonizing the group's payment-related businesses and ensuring the maximization of the group's portfolio value. Secondly, on our landmark sale and leaseback initiative, Globe has cumulatively closed a total of 4,123 towers as of end September, collecting those proceeds of roughly PHP 53 billion. And lastly, STT GDC Philippines has completed its 1.2 MW data hall in Makati City, while construction for the 124 MW STT Davao site is on track for completion. It has also broken ground earlier today on STT Cavite 2, its second data center in the Cavite campus. The company continues to reap the benefits of our strategic pivot from being a telco to a techco.

Non-telco revenues grew by an impressive 44% year-on-year, hitting an all-time high of PHP 4.1 billion for the first three quarters of 2023 and accounting for 3.4% of total gross service revenues. This was driven by growth across all our subsidiaries, with ECPay and AdSpark contributing the most during the period, followed by AdSpark and Yondu. Note that this figure could potentially soften in the future following the closing of the ECPay transaction and resulting in the deconsolidation of this business from Globe's books and recognizing the bottom line figures of ECPay as part of our share and equity earnings in Mynt. We will be talking more about this transaction in the next slide.

Meanwhile, our joint ventures and affiliates continued to grow contribution to the bottom line, with our net share and equity gains growing by 56% year-on-year to PHP 1.8 billion. In particular, we want to highlight that Globe's share in Mynt earnings continued its outstanding growth trajectory, reaching PHP 1.62 billion in the first nine months of 2023. This is more than double compared to the same period last year, spiking by 149%, or roughly 2.5 times larger than the figure posted in the same period in 2022. Mynt continues to increase its positive contribution to Globe's bottom line and now impressively accounts for 6.4% of the group's net income before tax. Now, getting into a bit more detail about the developments of our portfolio businesses.

We recently announced that Globe entered into an agreement with Mynt for the sale of its 77% stake in Electronic Commerce Payments Incorporated, or ECPay, for PHP 2.31 billion. ECPay minority stakeholder is likewise party to the agreement. This effectively makes the transaction Mynt's full acquisition of ECPay. Upon closing, ECPay will have access to GCash's platform, enabling ECPay to better traverse the ever-evolving digital landscape for which GCash is a leader in. As for Mynt, it is expected to better harmonize the capabilities of both ECPay and GCash and enhance its product suite, enabling it to serve its MSME and enterprise customers better. This transaction exemplifies Globe's commitment to value maximization by streamlining its portfolio and enabling the realization of synergies within the group.

Through this initiative, Globe enables GCash to provide best-in-class services in the fintech space and further its mission to democratize financial access and improve the lives of Filipinos. Moving on to our mobile business. Total mobile revenues likewise stood at an all-time high of PHP 83.2 billion as of end-September 2023, higher by 3% versus the same period last year. The stronger revenue growth of the prepaid plans is a testament to the relevance of the company's data-centric value for money offers, which allows our customers to enjoy world-class network quality and service despite the unexpected extension of the high inflationary environment. Mobile data revenues continued to grow, reporting a 3% year-on-year increase during the period and more than offsetting the continuing decline in mobile voice and SMS, which dropped by 11% and 10% respectively.

Mobile data traffic soared to 4,360 PB as of end September, improving by 30% year-on-year, driven by the consumption of high bandwidth, online videos and social media content via smartphones. Mobile data likewise grew, spiking by 38% year-on-year to 13.8 GB per month. Our mobile data business now accounts for 81% of mobile revenues, up from 78% last year. On a quarterly sequential basis, total mobile revenues ended up by 2%. Globe's mobile customer base, following the SIM card registration period, stood at 54.7 million as of September 30, 2023. Recall that the country went through a SIM card registration process earlier in the year, and Globe deactivated about 30 million SIMs, most of which were inactive users.

Post this registration effort, gross mobile ARPUs for prepaid and TM increased and are now closer to the true ARPU levels of Globe. On a year-on-year basis, prepaid ARPU increased by 25% to PHP 120, while that of TM spiked by 35% to PHP 84. Despite the increase, these reported ARPUs still mathematically factor in the inflated pre-SCR numbers, given the company still uses average subs for the period. Only using the post-SCR sub numbers, ARPUs for prepaid will jump up to PHP 161 , or close to a 70% increase from last year, and TM ARPUs increased to PHP 116, or an 88% jump against the nine months of 2022 levels.

Given traffic only grew by 30% year-on-year, these high ARPU levels reflect the quality subscriber base of Globe and show the results of the market repair efforts of the company. On the other hand, the home broadband business closed the first three quarters of the year with PHP 90 million in revenues from PHP 20.5 billion reported in the same period last year. The drop in the fixed wireless product was partly offset by the sustained expansion in postpaid fiber subscribers and revenues, which improved by a solid 2% and 18% respectively. Fiber revenues are also driven by sustained ARPUs as we focused on quality acquisitions.

Meanwhile, the decline in fixed wireless access revenues and operating metrics has slowed down as expected this quarter, with revenues dropping by only 1% this year versus the 4% decline posted in the second quarter of 2023. On the subscriber front, fixed wireless subscriber numbers also now reflect the impact of the SIM card registration exercise, which caused it to drop down to 600,000 as of end September. On G Fiber Prepaid, following our official launch last July, we've been getting positive sentiments from our customers on the fully digital experience, affordability, good network experience, as well as the convenience of loading via GCash. It's still the early days, but we are encouraged by the results of our rollout.

We are, however, approaching this ramp up carefully and taking a more measured approach to customer acquisition and scaling this business properly with quality subscribers and what we internally call real intenders, or those that will stay active in our fiber network longer. We intend to do this by leveraging on Globe's superior distribution network, as well as the group's deep knowledge of the prepaid consumer market. To date, our prepaid fiber offering has the highest reload rate and loader ARPU among all the prepaid brands of Globe, a testament to the quality of the company's acquired subscriber base. On the corporate data side, service revenues are still growing healthily as Globe continues to explore optimal solutions to support its enterprise clients and provide more ways to embrace digital transformation. Corporate data revenues reached PHP 13.6 billion, outpacing last year's performance by 8%.

This figure is another record high for the company and was mainly spurred by the strong demand for ICT services, which grew by 20% year-on-year. Moving on to our capital expenditures. During the first nine months of the year, Globe invested a total of PHP 54 billion for network expansion and enhancement. This is lower by close to 30% compared to the same period last year, and is in line with our reinforced guidance of CapEx dropping to PHP 71.5 billion or $1.3 billion for the full year. As part of our commitment to return to free cash flow positive territory, the company has reprioritized purchase order issuances beginning 2023, made possible by the CapEx strategy the company employed the past three years.

As explained in our previous briefing, these purchase order or PO issuances are leading indicators for future CapEx payment levels, and therefore, a significantly low PO issuance in 2023 will enable the planned reduction of CapEx over the next few years. Recall that Globe is coming off of a period of high PO issuances as part of its strategy of front-loading the CapEx spend, given the opportunities brought about by the CREATE law. Through these opportunistic investments, Globe was able to roll out and expand its network in a very short period of time, something that was not possible prior to the easing of the red tape surrounding site acquisitions.

Furthermore, this strategy successfully delivered its goal of making Globe the country's most consistent and reliable network, as well as allow the company to take advantage of the favorable interest rate environment back then relative to where we are currently. Following this, in 2023, the company's efforts have now shifted from opportunistic capacity expansion to maximization of utilization of network investments, as evidenced by the lower POs issued during the first three quarters of the year. The company's CapEx strategy has allowed it to now focus its spending and proceed with its network expansion in a measured and targeted way. With the reduced PO issuances in 2023, the company is effectively reaping the benefits of strategy, which will allow us to return to more sustainable CapEx levels without sacrificing network quality nor capacities.

PO issuances in the first nine months of the year are equivalent to just roughly 28% of the average annual PO issuances these past five years. These streamlined PO issuances will likewise allow us to get back to positive free cash flow territory as planned. Of the PHP 54 billion spent, about 91% was allocated for data requirements to ensure that our customers will be able to access the best digital solutions and connectivity have for free anytime. As a result of the strategy, we have begun reprioritizing our CapEx spending to ensure an efficient network rollout. As mentioned in the past, both of these investments were made for our mobile network as we shift our focus on the fiber front when we allowed an expansion to port utilization.

We are also easing spending on 5G site rollouts given the lack of a viable use case amidst current market conditions. Nevertheless, to ensure quality network customer experience for our 5G users, we fired up 716 more 5G sites across the Philippines, increasing our 5G overall coverage to 97.67% of the National Capital Region and 92.06% of key cities in Visayas and Mindanao. As of September 2023, Globe built 833 new cell sites and upgraded 5,395 mobile sites to LTE. As proof of the company's commitment and investment in network, Globe was recognized by Ookla as the most consistent fixed broadband provider in 33,000 cities and two provinces nationwide during the third quarter.

This follows Globe's achievement in the previous quarter where it secured the top spot in 31 locations. Additionally, the company saw marked improvements in both download and upload speeds in 19 strategic locations during the period. Moving on to other recent developments within the Globe Group. ST Telemedia Global Data Centres Philippines have completed a 1.2 MW data hall in Makati City, which is the largest CBD in the country. The data hall has a capacity for around 100 racks and can support loads between 5 kW and 12 kW. Operations are expected to commence this November. The data center is designed to Tier 3 standards and uses an eco-friendly ventilation and air conditioning system, and uses an energy efficient rainwater catchment system and solar panels to generate electricity.

The facility offers an opportunity for businesses to enjoy the advantages of having colocation space and a next-generation hyperscale-grade data center for a fraction of the cost. The STT Cavite 2 project likewise broke ground earlier today, November 6. This is set to offer 6 MW of capacity by 2027, increasing the total capacity of the Cavite campus to 13 MW. Meanwhile, construction of STT Fairview is on track for completion following its groundbreaking earlier this year. The Fairview campus initial phase of operations is slated for early 2025, with a combined capacity expansion of 5.2 MW set for Q3 this year. STT GDC Philippines is poised to surpass the capacity of most single data centers globally. This expansion is a direct response to the high market demand and the ongoing digital transformation sweeping the nation. Moving on to the main portion of our presentation.

As GCash grows, we aim to reach and serve all Filipinos whoever and wherever they are, empowered by the largest digital ecosystem in the country. The true impact of GCash lies in its growing relevance, being indispensable to Filipinos in their daily lives and being able to introduce them to digital financial services. As such, we have become the platform with the largest and most engaged user base, where their active users is five times and 10 times more than that of the next e-wallet in terms of monthly and daily active users, respectively. This is as reported by Data.ai, a reputable third party provider. We have also doubled down on our efforts to continue serving the underserved and unserved. Our lending offerings paint a real story of financial inclusion.

Our data shows that majority of our borrowers come from lower socioeconomic classes, are aged 21-35, and over 60% of them are women. We continue to impact millions of Filipino lives by providing financial services and improving financial literacy among the unbanked and underbanked. We have now provided loans to over 3.4 million unique borrowers, disbursing over PHP 100 billion in loans to date. This was made possible through the innovative products such as GCredit, GLoan, and GGifts, which are all powered by our proprietary credit rating system, GScore. We have also introduced Sakto Loans, our new nano-loan product. Customers have expressed their appreciation for how well suited it is for their needs, as well as the convenience it offers in terms of payments.

On insurance, through our platform, we have sold over 13.5 million policies to date. To continue to offer a diversified array of insurance products, we recently launched our OFW Insurance as well as the 100-in-1 Medical Plan in August. On wealth, our GSave registered base to almost 9.1 million, a 3% growth year-on-year. We achieve providing both value and convenience to product offerings across our growing associate partners. The GFunds registered base increased to 5.5 million by continuing to allow users to invest in various funds for as low as PHP 50. With the recent launch of GCrypto and the pilot launch of GStocks, we aim to continue removing the barriers of traditional investing through our digital platform.

The key to GCash's success is the trust that our users have placed in our company and the platform. That is why protecting and honoring this trust remains as our number one priority. We continue to innovate in order to reinforce trust and security across our ecosystem through education, fortifying our platform, and the launch of new products. We've doubled down on our efforts to drive awareness on safety and security. Recently, we relaunched the GSafe Pilipinas 2.0 campaign. The campaign focused on targeting mass Filipino users with a message focused on phishing, where we educated users to never share their MPIN and OTP. We made sure that we were reaching the masses nationwide, shifting from a digital-only to a digital and radio execution with localization into dialects.

We also strengthened our partnerships with government agencies, most recently with the SEC, as well as forged strategic alliances with the financial industry to double down on educational campaigns against cybercrime. We also launched a security feature on our platform that blocks compromised and modified devices from accessing the app. These devices are more commonly known as jailbroken or rooted devices that have undergone alterations, which pose susceptibility to account takeovers. To further our trust and security agenda, we're also launching a new Insurtech product, Send Money Protect, in partnership with Chubb. This is the first embedded P2P insurance in the world. This innovation embeds insurance in our Send Money use case and protects our users against possible scams, including online shopping fraud, account takeover, and other social engineering-related scams. Customers can be covered up to PHP 15,000 per month.

While we have made headway in providing accessible financial services, we continue to find other ways to improve the daily lives of Filipinos, whoever and wherever they are. In September, GCash launched GJobs in partnership with Pasa Job. This is a job referral platform within the app, which aims to speed up the job matching process between employers and job seekers. It allows users to make referrals to job postings and reward successful referrals. This is all in line with our vision of financial inclusion and helping Filipinos in their journey to financial stability and growth. We also continue to expand our holistic solutions in improving the lives of overseas Filipinos and their beneficiaries. They need simple and digitized financial solutions, not just in remittances, but also in securing their future, and that is what we provided to them.

They can now send money back to their loved ones through P2P transfer, take control of where the money is spent through pay bills and buy load, and prepare for the future through GSave and GInvest. They can also stay informed through our Pinoy channel. GCash goes even further in addressing challenges of Filipino travelers via GlobalPay and the new GCash Visa Card, which they can use in more than 200 countries with no service fee and competitive foreign exchange rates, full transparency of conversion rates, and wide acceptance in millions of stores. We continue to strive boldly to our vision of financial inclusion, providing access to financial services, and in doing this, making a difference in the lives of Filipinos everywhere. In line with that, here's a short video introducing the new GCash Visa Card. Moving on to the financial portion of our presentation.

To summarize the earlier points, gross service revenues for the first nine months came in at a record high of PHP 121.1 billion, higher by 3% year-on-year, on the back of the sustained solid demand for data-related services and the healthy contribution of our non-telco revenues. Coupled with a temporary increase in operating expenses and subsidy, our EBITDA improved by 1% year-on-year to PHP 70 billion, or 50% of service revenues. Normalized net income for the period stood at close to PHP 14.9 billion, while core net income, which excludes the impact of non-recurring charges and foreign exchange and mark-to-market charges, amounted to PHP 13.8 billion. On a sequential basis, our third quarter revenues grew by 1%, while operating expenses and subsidy remained stable.

These had a combined effect of pushing our EBITDA higher by 1% year-on-year. Normalized net income remained stable for the quarter at PHP 4.8 billion, while core net income was 1% higher. Now, delving a bit further into our costs. Total operating expenses and subsidy increased slightly in the first three quarters of 2023 compared to the same period last year. However, with our continued efforts on cost controls, expenses related to marketing and subsidy dropped by 14% year-on-year to PHP 4 billion, while these expenses declined by 28%. We also saw a PHP 669 million drop in provisions during the period. These declines, however, were partially offset by increases in interconnect fees, which grew by 6% year-on-year, network costs, which were higher by 14%, and services and other OpEx, which grew by 8%.

Nonetheless, the consistent year-on-year increase in our revenues allowed for EBITDA to end 4% higher. Our EBITDA margin is tracking within our full-year guidance. On a quarter-on-quarter basis, our OpEx remains stable. The increase in staff costs and marketing subsidies mostly offset by the PHP 456 million drop in costs related to our network. Provisions likewise declined by 3% sequentially, while services and other OpEx contracted by 6%. Interconnect charges per quarter, meanwhile, dropped by 10%. As mentioned earlier in the presentation, these results have been delivered despite significant upward pricing pressures on a lot of our expense line items, in particular, those related to keeping our network up and running. Against this backdrop, the company's cost transformation efforts delivered significant gains and allowed for the EBITDA that we posted the first nine months of the year.

As an update to the market on our sale and leaseback initiative, the turnover of our tower assets to the buyers continues to progress. To date, we have turned over 4,123 towers. For MIDC, we have turned over 1,149 towers, which is 53% of their total portfolio, while we have transferred 2,094 towers or 59% to Frontier. For Phil Tower, we've turned over an aggregate 710 towers, or 53% of its total portfolio. For Unity, we have transferred 170 towers, equivalent to 38% of their total portfolio. As of September 2023, we have collected gross proceeds of PHP 53 billion. During the period, we encountered a few unexpected impediments that led to the slowdown of tower closings.

These include issues related to the documentation process as well as negotiation with lessors. Nevertheless, we have put in place remedies to fast-track the closing for the balance of our tower turnover. Closing of the remaining towers and collection of gross proceeds thereof will be extended to 2024. As mentioned earlier, our board of directors approved a payout of PHP 25 per share, which on an annualized basis is equivalent to 75% or the maximum of our dividend payout range of 60%-75% of the prior year's core net income. This is proof of Globe's commitment to a sustainable dividend policy that is in line with our earnings and cash flow generation, as well as through our commitment of delivering value to our shareholders.

Key dates for this declaration are the payment date of December 1, 2023, to shareholders on record as of November 17, 2023. We now move on to our balance sheet. Gross debt level is at PHP 245.5 billion, with unrestricted cash level at PHP 16 billion. All ratios are well within our bank covenants and in line with peers, despite the challenging macroeconomic environment. These are expected to improve in the near term, in line with our efforts in shoring up free cash flow and controlling CapEx spending. Lastly, we are happy to share the achievement of our 2023 guidance, which remains largely on track. We believe we are weathering this challenging macroeconomic environment quite well, as evidenced by our record high revenue and EBITDA figures.

We are confident in being able to sustain this growth in our top line despite other factors such as protracted inflationary pressures, weaker GDP growth, and higher for longer interest rates. Furthermore, we maintain our EBITDA margin guidance of 50%. In our sale and leaseback initiative, the closing of our remaining towers and collection of gross proceeds thereof will be extended to 2024 due to documentation, technical, and lessor-related issues. We also reiterate our major commitment to shoring up free cash flow, which we target to bring into positive territory by 2025. This guidance will be buoyed by our planned reduction in CapEx spend, enabled by a streamlining of PO issuances for 2023 to only $600 million.

Again, this more targeted level of deals is a result of the well-executed CapEx plan of the company and will be a leading indicator of spending over the next few years, allowing us to drop CapEx to $1 billion by 2024 and possibly even lower in the subsequent years. These levers show the company's commitment to deliver quality results while maintaining financial sustainability. That ends the presentation. Thank you all very much for listening.

Operator

Thank you again, Corinne. Before we begin with the Q&A session, we'd like to introduce the management panel. First, we have our President and CEO, Mr. Ernest Cu; Ms. Rizza Maniego-Eala, our Chief Financial Officer; Ms. Becca Eclipse, our Chief Transformation and Operations Officer; Atty. Froilan Castelo, General Counsel; Mr. Darius Delgado, Vice President of Consumer Mobile Business; Ms. Abby Cardino, Vice President, Head of Transformation Governance, Broadband Business; also, Ms. Martha Sazon, our President and CEO of Mynt. We'd also like to acknowledge that this is the first time that Abby will be joining the panel. Thanks, Abby, and good luck. We'll now begin the Q&A session. Our first set of questions come from Rachelle Rodriguez of Maybank, and the first question is, of course, for Abby. It's a question composed of three parts.

The question reads: What caused the over 400,000 QoQ churn on wireless broadband? Is it related to the SIM card registration? What percentage of revenues for the remaining subscribers?

Abby Cardino
VP and Head of Transformation Governance, Globe

Thank you for that question. Good afternoon, everyone. The 400,000 QoQ decline is largely due to the SIM card registration. But this one only impacts 10% of the monthly top-ups, because majority are actually non-loaders. Majority of the revenue-generating customers were able to register before the deadline. Thank you.

Operator

Thanks, Abby. Yeah. Thank you, Abby. The next question is for Rizza. How much more tower gains are you expecting to recognize for the remainder of the year?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

A s mentioned in the presentation, we've sold and turned over around 55% of the towers sold. And we're seeing a slowdown in terms of being able to move the towers to our tower partners, and our new estimate is to close all towers, to close all tower sale by the first half of 2024. I think there's a in terms of the gains. We do not expect to recognize any more gains from the sale for the fourth quarter of this year, so a balance will be ported over in the first half of next year.

Operator

Thank you, Rizza. The next question again is for Abby: Can you give updates or stats on your prepaid Wi-Fi and fiber business? And, how many subscribers do you have now?

Abby Cardino
VP and Head of Transformation Governance, Globe

After the launch of our G Fiber Prepaid last July, we are getting positive sentiments. This one includes the good experience of a fully digital experience, the affordability, the good network, as well as the convenience of loading via GCash. It has also the highest reload rate and the lower ARPU among our prepaid brands in Globe. So for the prepaid fiber, we are pursuing a more measured approach to ensure that we get quality customers compared to how the rest of the players are doing it. We wanted to make sure that we acquire quality customers that stay active longer in our network. So we are carefully ramping up our prepaid fiber and the traction for this segment should ensure that we have a lower churn.

So we want to scale the business properly, getting quality customers, what we call real intenders, for us, creating that scale of awareness to deliver that massive pull, leveraging on our superior distribution network as a Globe Group, given our deep knowledge of the prepaid consumer market. Thank you, Joms.

Operator

Okay. Thank you, Abby. The next set of questions come from Arthur Pineda of Citi, and the first question, broken down to three parts is, I believe, for Darius. What is driving up the firm Qo Q mobile revenue growth trends? Is this due to the price adjustments or rising consumer spending levels on weaker inflation? And can this be sustained into the fourth quarter?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Thank you for that question, Arthur. So it's a combination of portfolio streamlining efforts that we have executed in the market that had actual significant upsell impact in the base, as well as key campaigns and launches to maintain the relevance of our brands in the market. Of course, supported by a continuously improving experience, which enables us to deliver the experience our customers deserve and experience that they are willing to pay for. On the last question, can this be sustained in the fourth quarter? We will sustain this at least until the end of the year as we enter the peak season.

Operator

Okay, thank you, Darius. The next question again relates to the broadband, and this, of course, for Abby. Can you give us more color on the prepaid broadband take-up levels and expectations for the remainder of the year?

Abby Cardino
VP and Head of Transformation Governance, Globe

The share of the prepaid fiber right now is very small. But we wanted to assure you guys that we are very intentional in offering the pure online as we go for a differentiated execution versus the traditional door-to-door. So we see this as an opportunity to ensure that the channel, the online channel is frictionless. It's easy, simple, the digital experience. We expect the growth to come largely from the key mass segment, especially those who are financially challenged, given the high inflation that we are experiencing right now. Those who are in need of a more consistent, stable backup to a fiber line. And then we're also seeing that the fiber wire that the fixed wireless is also a good target source as they move into that stable connectivity for fiber. Thank you, Chums.

Operator

Thank you, Abby. The next set of questions from Gabriel Madrid of PEP, I believe, these questions pertaining to prepaid fiber and also on tower sales has already been answered. So we'll just provide or share the answers offline with Gabriel. Again, thank you for your questions. The next set of questions come from Pranav Balani of Papa Securities. And the first question is, I believe, for Darius. Will the team be able to provide color on how corporate data revenues contracted by 2% quarter-on-quarter?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Thanks for that question again. So the QoQ decline essentially was mainly caused by certain accounts, in the EG and SG side of the business, economizing in their operations, causing them to downgrade from corporate data plans to broadband, which is lower ARPUs. This is also exacerbated by the fact that we lose out on service availability, availability in terms of wide footprint versus competition. We have seen, though, and this is a bright spot, that starting September of Q3, we are able to recover lost momentum, putting us at a very good starting point starting Q4.

Operator

Thank you, Darius. The next question pertains to our data center business. Question is, will the entire 124 MW of the STT Fairview campus come online in early 2025, or will it be in phases?

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Let me answer that one. The 124 MW campus will come online in phases, starting in the first quarter of 2025, actually. We expect about 30+ MW to be ready at that point in time. Then succeeding phases will deliver approximately 30+ MW as well. We expect about four phases of delivery for that particular facility. That being said, today, we broke ground on a smaller data center in Cavite, called Cavite Two, which is also of the same standard as that of STT Fairview. It will also be hyperscale ready. It's in the location of the existing Globe Cavite Data Center today in Gateway Business Park. That 6 MW will also be ready sometime in 2025, right? So take a full year to build. We are accelerating a lot of the smaller cuts, primarily because of the demand we're seeing coming in from interested hyperscalers.

Operator

Thanks, Ernest. The next question, I believe, is for Darius. On the mobile segment, how's the competition post SIM registration?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Just like in the previous quarters, competition has remained relatively rational, even post the SIM card registration implementation.

Operator

Thanks, Darius. The next set of questions come from German de la Paz of Abacus Securities. The first question, I believe, is for Rizza. It's about dividends. The question is three parts. May I ask again about Globe's dividend policy? What would be the implications on dividends considering the lower CapEx moving forward? Are special dividends already being considered?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

Thanks, German, for the question. Our dividend policy, as you all know, is 60%-75% of prior year's core net income. Our preference is to keep within this policy and to focus on reverting to free cash flow positive by 2025. And our main focus is to continue providing sustainable dividends, and we will consider any special dividends once we've reached the free cash flow positive territory and when we no longer have to borrow to pay for those dividends.

Operator

Thank you, Rizza. The next set of questions, I believe, are for Martha regarding Mynt. First, the first question is, any updated timeline for Mynt's planned listing? Will it be a domestic listing or abroad?

Martha Sazon
President and CEO, Mynt

Well, we've seen capital movements within the region and the global markets. So while these are good signs for us, we continue to monitor as to when will be the best time to go public. In the meantime, we're using this time to focus on our growth and scale, and as Ernest mentioned before, so that we could be IPO ready anytime soon.

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Let me just add a further comment. One of the biggest challenges we're seeing is the dropping liquidity in the PSE. I think all of you are seeing that as analysts, right? We're now down to about $25 million per day in terms of turnover, and if you have an ambition for a large IPO, it's very difficult to get institutionals, large institutionals to invest and not be able to trade in that market. You know, obviously, our priority is to list in the Philippines, given the fact that, you know, we consider GCash to be a national champion in terms of fintech, and one that is a very, very high NPS score, which we hoped the retail public would want to own and trade the shares, no?

So we're watching the market very closely in terms of its progress and in terms of its recovery, which we hope it will happen, because it's not only for Mynt but also for Globe and the rest of the stocks in the PSE. You know, we hope that the, some, some more actions will be taken by the PSE, the SEC, and other regulators, on driving, additional investors and volume of the PSE, up once again to the old levels. So that being said, that means we're also looking at other markets at this stage.

Operator

Thank you, Ernest. The next question, again, is for Mynt and, of course, for Martha. Do we still expect volatility in Mynt's profitability, or is current level already sustainable?

Martha Sazon
President and CEO, Mynt

In terms of profitability, our plan and forecast is to sustain that. But as to the level of profitability, it might fluctuate as we focus on growing and scaling our business further. As you know, we're one of the very few fintechs in the world to be profitable. Our next level is to further scale the business in terms of revenue and profit. So, that would mean that there will be times that we may have to invest more on growth, so profits would have to take a backseat during that time. But, definitely, to sustain the overall profitability of Mynt would be one of our main forecasts in the coming years.

Operator

Thank you, Martha. The next set of questions come from Ranjan, Ranjan Sharma of J.P. Morgan. The first question, I believe, is for Rizza. What is the reason for the 16% increase in payables from 2022 to the third quarter of 2023?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

Thanks, Ranjan. The increase is predominantly still a function of our network expansion, especially in 2022. Recall, we spent $1.9 billion in 2022, and we are targeting to spend $1.3 billion this year. So this is still the main driver of payables growth.

Operator

Thank you, Rizza. The next question is on ECPay, and I believe that, perhaps Ernest can answer this for us. What are the services offered by ECPay, and can Globe provide any financials for ECPay?

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Well, ECPay, alongside GCash, has one of the widest payment platforms in the country for offline. Meaning, they empower, or they power, offline merchants to accept payments on behalf of utilities, airlines, and so on. And, you know, the reason, one of the reasons why we put that into GCash is that we wanted to purify, as a portfolio, action, all of our fintech holdings under one roof. Rather than grow ECPay individually as a separate company, also dealing in payments, and actually is also a fintech, moving it into GCash, we believe gives it the best synergy. It also removes quite a bit of redundancy in the efforts to acquire these offline merchants, whether they be sari-sari stores or supermarkets or so on, or even drugstores and the like.

This allows a single effort by the Globe Group, using the GCash platform, to control payments in the country, whether it's online payments or offline payments. So GCash gains an asset in, you know, in the like of ECPay, to now take over and own the offline channels as well. Now, for financials, I think I'll leave it to the IR team on what you guys disclose. Yeah.

Operator

Yeah. Thanks, Ernest. We will just revert to Ranjan. Thank you. Third and last question from Ranjan is, I believe, is this for Rizza. Some of the cost items look very low versus 2Q 2023. Are there any structural changes in costs, or can these costs are more likely to increase in the coming quarters?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

This is our second year where we've embarked on a targeted cost transformation. As such, you know, we are really managing our costs, and there could be differences on patterns quarter and quarter because of this. But if we annualize it, we continue to maintain our EBITDA margin guidance of 50% for full year.

Operator

Thank you, Rizza. Next set of questions come from Adel Bermudez of First Metro. Her first question regarding G Fiber Prepaid, I believe has already been answered earlier or asked earlier, so we'll just provide her the answer offline. The next question is on mobile, so this is for Darius. Can you give us more color on the high prepaid churn rate?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

As you have noticed also in the [NNS], and as disclosed, this was mainly brought about by the forced churn as a result of SCR implementation, where we removed 30 million inactive subs from that base, coming in from the two biggest brands, which are Globe Prepaid and TM. Net of such forced churn, however, our churn rates have been stable Qo Q, and still improving year-on-year.

Operator

Thanks, Darius. The follow-up to that is, again, this is for Darius: How many of your total subscribers are revenue generating on the mobile side?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Close to 100% are revenue generating.

Operator

Okay. Thank you. And fourth and last question from Adel is a housekeeping question. What is Globe's current smartphone penetration rate? I believe this is at around 90% as of

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Yes, over 90%.

Operator

Yeah. Thank you.

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Thank you.

Operator

The next set of questions come from Mary Angeline Aculo of Metrobank. First question, I believe, is again for Rizza. What is the Group's 2024 revenue growth guidance, and which segments are driving this, if ever?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

We're still working on our budget for 2024, and to date, the only guidance we've given for next year is CapEx will be $1 billion. Secondly, we also stated that we are working towards reverting to free cash flow positive by 2025. So hopefully by February, we'll give you better numbers for 2024. But I think you can already use our takeoff for both the third quarter and nine months to build or at least update your 2024 numbers.

Operator

Thanks, Rizza. The second question pertains to CapEx guidance for 2025, and I believe we have already provided this in the presentation and during the last quarter presentation as well. We expect guidance for CapEx to be around $1 billion for 2024. Thank you for those questions, Angeline. Okay. Yeah. So that leaves us with the next set of questions, perhaps from our guests who are on the floor at the moment. We now ask those analysts who are here if you have any questions, please go to the front. State your name and company before asking your question. Thank you very much.

Speaker 7

Hello, Jose from CLSA. So I have some questions regarding, first on the corporate data side, then ECPay and GCash. So first on the data centers and corporate data. So I noticed there's 8% year-on-year growth on, in terms of revenues from that front, but, data only, grew 2% year-on-year. So how much do data centers contribute to the corporate data portion? And then why is it lower growth compared to the other segments? And, next, on the ECPay and GCash segments, clarify ECPay, how does it differ from merchant acquirers? And, is the acquisition by Mynt, levered, or if it's, if it's not, are you using cash from the last equity raise? And, given that in 2020 we had PHP 9 billion in current assets for Mynt, cash flow will be probably lower than that, do you need additional target capital? That's it.

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

Thanks . Let me answer the question on corporate data. So, our current capacity for the data centers are full, and that is why we are rapidly expanding through the builds that Ernest mentioned earlier. Now, we actually book our data center revenues a share in equity earnings of our JV. So, basically, when you look at it, it's not on our EBITDA or on our revenue line, because it's we own 40%-50% of the JV.

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Now, your question on ECPay was about merchant acquiring. In a way, it is similar. Yeah, now to that, but they're acquiring not for credit card, but they're acquiring merchants to accept payments on behalf of utilities. That's been the traditional business of ECPay when we acquired them, and we've grown that business significantly. Right, was that the question you were asking about? Was the second question on ECPay, or that was it? The second question was? Ah, well, I'll leave it to tech to answer that, the CFO. But the answer is, Mynt is cash flow positive.

Yeah, so there really is, you know, no need at this point and time to acquire or get more, do some fundraising unless we have a definite need and we a strategy to use the funds, no? Again, I would like to reiterate that this is very different from majority of the digital banks or payment players out there who are still bleeding cash at the moment. If you recall, we turned cash flow positive sometime in 2022. 2021, cash flow EBITDA positive, and at the end of 2021, we turned net income positive and have stayed net income positive for all of 2022. And obviously, have grown that significantly. You saw the PHP 1.6 billion contribution on the equity line that Mynt has provided to Globe, you know.

So if you do the math, you'll know what the net income of Mynt is. Yeah, we just got. Any more questions on data centers? We just came from the groundbreaking of Cavite 2, the 6 MW data center I mentioned earlier. That's Carlo Malana, CEO of STT GDC Philippines.

Speaker 8

Hi, Stephen here from China Securities. Just two questions from me. First is, how do Globe plan to grow its revenues for 2024, especially given the projected, elevated interest rates and, inflation? That's my first question.

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

That's a very good question. I think, we're quite confident that the current market situation and the stability of competition, as well as the, you know, the increasing pricing that we're seeing in the market, and that's been, that's been allowing us to do that, will allow us to maintain at least the growth rates or the revenue rates we're seeing in 2023. As long as competition remains stable and rational, I think it would be a very stable telecom market in 2024.

Speaker 8

Got it. For my second question is for 917Ventures. Is there any planned new product launches over the foreseeable future or any technologies that you wanted to tap into?

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Well, the 917Ventures goes through quite a bit of iteration throughout the year, right? So there will be some more announcements in terms of new product launches, you know, as they see, solutions to problems that they see day-to-day in Philippines, right? Obviously, the focus right now is on AI as well. You know, they're looking at how they can create AI-driven solutions, to solve some of the pressing problems of the daily Filipino life. That's their focus. So, you know, you will see some adoption of AI into existing offerings, as well as in new offerings as well.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thanks, Ernest.

Speaker 9

Hi, I'm John from Security Bank. Expense has been really outpacing the revenue growth, so what exactly are your initiatives going forward in the next quarters to manage this? Will the power sales have a big impact on that or more on the core business? What's the initiatives for that?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

Well, it's a little bit challenging, no? Because once we cut certain costs the fuel increases and inflation is just too much versus expectation. So we really have to navigate closely to be able to hit our 50% EBITDA target. But there are actually a number of initiatives that we are still in the pipeline that will allow us to continue improving. So for example, we've spent heavily on automation, and all of those benefits will mean that we can cut certain costs that are no longer needed, that we used to spend. So we're going through that process. Open economy improved, so there's a little bit more uptick on revenue, right? So that the strain on really cutting costs will not be that large.

But from where we sit, we believe that there are opportunities to make sure that our productivity continues, and that we are able to keep at the 50% EBITDA margin, despite all the challenges. It's a bit tough, but we are working very hard.

Speaker 9

Sorry, just a follow-up. Regarding cybersecurity spending, would you say how much does it comprise of your operating expenses or CapEx, and how do you, how's your outlook for that?

Rizza Maniego-Eala
CFO, Globe

From our IT spend. So if you break down our CapEx, we always say that about 85% will be network related, and then 15% will be non-network related. In our case, we don't have a number to share, but IT security is one of the investments that we're serious about. So we look for new partners and we're constantly also bidding out certain things. And this is necessary because we're also selling IT security. So we don't have the number, but it is one of the investments that we are serious about and do not cut corners on.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Let me just, maybe comment on cybersecurity. It's a very big priority for Globe. It's a significant spend for Globe. We do believe, but we don't say it in public because you get to be a target, right? I think we're one of the foremost practitioners of very good cybersecurity practices in the Philippines today. You know, we've got a very, very strong team. Perhaps that's something we can feature in future IRs to expose some of the team that does cybersecurity for Globe. This is one of the reasons why we also decided to bring to market some of that expertise through our Globe Business offering. And cybersecurity, as far as a product line offering, is one of the fastest growing ICT services we provide to enterprise customers today.

Operator

Are there any additional questions from the floor? Perhaps at this point, we'll again refer to follow-up questions from the Zoom audience. This came from Katrina Yap of InfoCom, and I believe these are questions for Darius. The first question is: You reported that ICT revenues have improved by 20% year-over-year. Can you provide us with an indication on the share of ICT revenues of total corporate data revenues?

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

Can I answer both questions?

Operator

Yes.

Darius Delgado
VP of Consumer Mobile Business, Globe

So the first one is, in terms of corporate data and ICT, 30% of those revenues actually come from ICT. Hence, it's driving the 8% quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year growth, with ICT growing 20%, because it comprised 30% of the total. In terms of the ICT segments identified, the three top products that we will see still continuing the momentum in Q4 are cybersecurity, business application solutions, and big data and IoT, coming from the three main industry verticals such as finance, IT, and services.

Operator

Thanks, Darius. So those are the last set of questions from, at this point, from the Zoom audience. Are there any follow-up questions from the live audience? Okay. So as there are no further questions, this concludes the Q&A portion of our briefing. Before we adjourn, of course, we'll now turn over the floor to Ernest for his closing remarks.

Ernest Cu
President and CEO, Globe

Thank you. Just to recap some of the news that we pre-presented for the third quarter, I think you're seeing a very stable, you know, albeit slowly growing mobile business of 2%-3% growth. As low as that number is, it's probably one of the better results for telcos in the world, actually, not just the region, I would say. You know, there's a challenge today in telco when it comes to achieving growth simply because of the number of use cases or new ones that are coming out that drive mobile use. We are fortunate in the Philippines. It's still a growing data market. And, you know, I think absent inflation, we would be able to see better growth, I think, in the mid- to single, mid-single digits, no? Had inflation not reared its ugly head.

But the good news is that we're seeing hopefully a tapering of inflation, not quite in line with what the BSP did recently, but hopefully that will be the last move in terms of interest rates upward that we'll see in the near future. On the Mynt side, we'll continue to see increasing revenue growth. You'll see that as we increase and disclose the equity earnings share of Globe in Mynt has been growing up steadily. I think it's a reflection of the quality of revenue growth we're seeing in the company.

A lot of it is driven by continuous domination in payments, a steadily growing lending business, you know, which again probably points to a good indication of how well the credit score of Mynt has evolved over the last seven years. The other angle of Mynt has been this increasing number of services that we've been offering. You know, this is and despite the fact that, you know, there have been quite a number of delays encountered with regulators on new products and services that we hope would provide more democratized financial services had we been able to launch those services. But what you see today with regard to stock trading has been very encouraging, although it's in pilot. But even more encouraging are the international services.

You know, the recent launch of the Visa card, Visa debit card, tied to your wallet is a very big enabler for Filipino travelers who go abroad. You know, unlike yourselves, you could probably get credit cards at will. A lot of our countrymen are unable to bring cards with them when they travel overseas, and it becomes a challenge because if you go to more developed economies like Japan, China, even Korea, for that matter, I was there last week, people frown on cash, right? But having a Visa card debit, debit Visa card attached to your wallet enables you to pay electronically and digitally. There's also a international feature that we launched, which is enabling Filipinos overseas to use their home numbers.

You know, you don't need to bring a Philippine SIM card with you anymore to maintain your GCash account. You can now use your local numbers, but then again, this is under pilot today, and we're limited to a sandbox of about 1,000 per country. We hope to grow this today with 12 countries, Martha? Six countries, but we're enabled for, I think, 18. Right? If we're allowed by the regulator to do it, which we're imploring them to do, then more and more of our countrymen can enjoy GCash services overseas. And once you have GCash services overseas, you can just imagine the remittance rails that you'll have directly to your families, or pay for your bills directly, their bills directly through GCash, in your own, in the country that you reside in today.

So things, I think, are, are looking well as well, for the data center business. Today, like I said, we, we broke ground on a 6 MW facility, state-of-the-art, hyperscale quality, also Telco-MasTec, data center in Cavite. You know, our partners and us are very much aligned in our optimism about this market. A lot of it, as our, our partner mentioned today in their talk, that it's fueled by the AI revolution. And AI, as you know, requires significant amounts of computing, significant amounts of data storage for the training of the large language models that you're seeing coming out there, and we think the demand for data centers will be driven, by that over the short term. So, and the race is on.

As Carlo builds the data centers and brings them online, we hope that you will start seeing some effects of that on our P&L. With that, I'd like to say thank you to everyone. It's been a bit quieter this quarter, but nonetheless, the questions coming from both the Zoom audience as well as the physical audience. So thank you very much, and have a pleasant afternoon.

Operator

And on that note, we conclude the Third Quarter of 2023 Analyst Briefing Globe Telecom. We thank again all of you who joined us here and in the call. We hope you join us again for our fourth quarter of 2023 analyst briefing in early February 2024. Thank you.

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