Empresas CMPC S.A. (SNSE:CMPC)
Chile flag Chile · Delayed Price · Currency is CLP
1,116.10
-3.90 (-0.35%)
Apr 30, 2026, 4:02 PM CLT
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jan 27, 2023

Fernando Hasenberg
CFO, Empresas CMPC

Hello everyone, welcome to Empresas CMPC fourth quarter 2022 earnings webinar. I'm Fernando Hasenberg, CFO of the company, and joining me today we have Francisco Ruiz-Tagle, CEO of the CMPC, Raimundo Varela, CEO of the Pulp Division, Guilherme Viesi, CMPC Pulp Chief Commercial Officer, and Colomba Henríquez, our Investor Relations Officer. Please note that the statements made today during the presentation and the Q&A may include forward-looking statements to assist you in understanding our expectation for future performance. These statements are subject to some risk and could cause actual results and event to defer materially. 2022 was a record year for us in many aspects. We closed the year with approximately $7.9 billion in sales, $2.1 billion in EBITDA, and $1 billion in net income, all of them a year record for the company.

We faced favorable market conditions through the year, which contributed to the good results, but we also had a record production in some of our mills, which is the result of the good operational performance of our mills as the result of the implementation of our operational efficiency program. Fourth quarter result on the other side were below the result of the last quarter, mainly as a result of the weaker figures posted by the Pulp business due to higher maintenance costs, which also resulted on a lower production and thus lower sales volumes. The Softys business posted a slightly lower EBITDA on a quarter-on-quarter level, but a significant improvement on a year-on-year basis, mainly as a result of the higher average prices, as well as the integration of Carta Fabril in Brazil.

On the other side, the Biopackaging business posted a relevant increase in EBITDA, as we were able to restart the Corrugated Paper machine by the end of the 3Q 2022, which contributed to lower operational costs. Revenues for the fourth quarter posted at 5% sequentially decrease, mainly driven by lower sales volumes in Pulp and Softys. Compared to the fourth quarter of last year, revenues increased 20% because of higher average prices in addition to higher sales volumes in Softys. Operational costs reached $1.2 billion, stable when compared to the previous quarter and 18% higher compared to the same period last year, which represented 62% of total revenues compared to 59% in 3Q 2022 and 63% in 4Q 2021.

The quarter-on-quarter result is mainly related to higher costs in pulp related to the maintenance and forest protection expenses, compensated by lower direct costs in Softys and Biopackaging. The year-on-year increase is mainly related to higher fuel and chemical costs for all business, as well as fiber costs for Softys and Biopackaging, and maintenance expenses in pulp. Consolidated other expenses reached $287 million for the quarter, 17% higher quarter-on-quarter and 42% higher year-on-year, representing 15% of total revenues compared to 12% in 3Q 2022 and 13% in 4Q 2021. The quarter-on-quarter result is explained by higher administrative expenses related to inflation and the Chilean peso appreciation and higher distribution costs in pulp and Softys.

The year-on-year result is also explained by higher administrative expenses driven by inflation, as well as higher distribution costs in all business divisions. On a consolidated basis, the company's fourth quarter EBITDA reached $458 million, decreasing 24% compared to the previous quarter and increasing 13% to the same quarter last year. Net income reached $221 million, decreasing from the $309 million registered in the 3Q 2022, mainly as a result of the lower EBITDA and increasing from the $91 million registered in 4Q 2021 as the result of the higher EBITDA and the higher income from biological assets. I would like to turn the presentation over to Colomba, who will provide you with more details on our results by businesses.

Thank you, Fernando. Good morning, everyone. I'll start with the Pulp business. Pulp production reached almost 1 billion tons, down 10% quarter-on-quarter and 5% year-on-year. Hardwood production decreased 5% quarter-on-quarter and 1% year-on-year as we carried out maintenance downtime at the Santa Fe 2 mill compared to Guaíba I in 3Q 2022 and Guaíba II in 4Q 2021. Softwood production decreased 30% on a quarterly basis and 23% on an annual basis, which is mainly explained by the maintenance downtime executed at Pacífico and Laja during the quarter. Total market pulp sale volumes decreased by 8% quarter-over-quarter, with hardwood decreasing 12% with lower sales to Asia, excluding China and Europe, and softwood decreasing 4% with higher sales to China.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Market pulp sale volumes decreased 14% year-over-year, with hardwood decreasing 16% and softwood decreasing 3%, in both cases related to lower exports to Asia and Europe. Softwood cash costs totaled $419 per ton, increasing 18% quarter-over-quarter and 32% year-over-year. The quarterly and annual results are mainly explained by the maintenance downtime executed during the quarter, as well as higher chemical energy and pulpwood costs on an annual basis. Hardwood cash costs totaled $241 per ton, increasing 7% quarter-over-quarter and 27% compared to the previous year. Quarterly, this is explained by the cost involved in the scheduled maintenance downtime at the Santa Fe 2 mill, and annually, it relates to higher chemical, energy, and pulpwood costs.

Pulp prices during the fourth quarter of 2022 reached $916 per ton for softwood and $865 per ton for hardwood, a 6% and a 1% decrease respectively compared to the previous quarter. Compared to the fourth quarter of last year, prices continued to show an important improvement, increasing 21% for softwood and 31% for hardwood. As a result of these, revenues for the pulp business totaled approximately $771 million, decreasing 7% quarter-over-quarter and increasing 14% year-over-year. Looking into the forestry segment, third-party forestry sale volumes decreased by 18% quarter-over-quarter, mainly due to lower sawing log sales in Argentina and Brazil and lower plywood exports to Europe and the U.S. There were also lower sale volumes of millwork in Chile and the U.S.

On a year-over-year basis, sale volumes decreased 13%, driven by lower pulpwood sales in Argentina and plywood in Europe and the U.S. Forestry sales decreased 16% quarter-over-quarter and increased 2% year-over-year, reaching $155 million. Revenues for our Pulp and forestry business decreased 9% compared to the previous quarter and increased 12% compared to last year, reaching around $925 million. EBITDA decreased 29% sequentially and improved 5% annually, reaching $366 million, while EBITDA margin stood at 40%. The quarter-over-quarter result was due to higher operating costs related to higher maintenance costs and forest protection costs. There were also higher sales and administrative expenses.

On a year-over-year basis, the EBITDA increase is primarily due to higher average prices, which were able to offset lower sale volumes and the higher operating costs driven by higher cash costs as well as higher sales and administrative expenses. In the Biopackaging business, sale volumes to third parties were stable quarter-over-quarter and decreased 2% year-over-year. Quarter-on-quarter, higher volumes related to the restart of the corrugated paper machine and the fruit season in Chile were offset by lower boxboard and paper sack volumes. Year-over-year, lower volumes of boxboard, corrugated boxes, and corrugated paper were compensated by higher volumes from Iguaçu. Average sale prices increased 1% sequentially, with all products posting increases, with the exception of corrugated paper and a change in the product mix. Average prices posted a 17% annual increase, with all products showing increases.

As a result, revenues increased by 2% quarter-over-quarter and 15% year-over-year, reaching $322 million. The Biopackaging business EBITDA totaled $53 million, increasing 54% compared to the third quarter of 2022, and 4% compared to the fourth quarter of 2021. EBITDA margin reached 17%, increasing from the 11% from the previous quarter and decreasing from the 18% on the same quarter of last year. The sequential increase in EBITDA is mainly from lower direct costs and the slightly higher sales. Also, during the quarter, we received $19 million advanced payment from the insurance of the Papeles Cordillera paper machine. The higher annual EBITDA is mainly explained by the integration of Iguaçu, as well as higher average prices.

This was compensated by the lower production and higher costs related to the stoppage of the corrugated paper machine, as well as higher raw material costs. Now moving to Softys. Revenues decreased by 2% quarter-over-quarter and increased 33% year-over-year, reaching $757 million. Tissue paper sale volumes decreased 3% compared to the previous quarter and increased 12% compared to the fourth quarter of 2021. Quarter-over-quarter, we registered lower volumes in Argentina and Peru. Year-over-year, results are explained by the integration of Carta Fabril, in addition to higher volumes in Peru.

Personal care products sale volumes decreased 7% sequentially, with lower volumes in all segments in Brazil and increased 7% annually, mainly explained by higher feminine care products in Argentina, Peru, and Uruguay, as well as higher diaper sales in Brazil, Mexico, and Uruguay. Average sale prices measured in dollars increased 3% for tissue paper and decreased 1% for personal care products compared to the third quarter of 2022, and increased 20% for both tissue paper and personal care products compared to the fourth quarter of last year, which is the result of several initiatives to increase prices in local currencies to offset cost inflation. Softys EBITDA reached $67 million during the quarter, compared to $69 million in the third quarter of 2022 and $20 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. EBITDA margin reached 9%.

The quarter-on-quarter decrease comes mainly from higher sales and administrative expenses, as well as lower personal care products sale volumes. The year-on-year increase relates to higher average prices and sale volumes related to the consolidation of Carta Fabril. This was partly offset by increased operating costs due to higher fiber costs, especially pulp and raw materials for personal care products, as well as higher SG&As. Fernando will now go through the cash generation and financial execution for the quarter.

Fernando Hasenberg
CFO, Empresas CMPC

Thank you very much, Colomba. Capital expenditures during the fourth quarter totaled $162 million, decreasing compared to the $179 million during the third quarter of 2022. Increasing from the $114 million in the fourth Q 2021. Free cash flow was negative by almost $200 million compared to the negative $130 million last quarter and $27 million in the fourth Q 2021. Main difference on a quarter-on-quarter basis comes from the lower EBITDA and the higher working capital variation. On an annual basis, it comes from higher working capital as well as higher dividends, taxes and investments.

We closed the fourth quarter of the year with $4.7 billion in total debt and cash of approximately $760 million, leaving our net debt at approximately $3.9 billion, increasing compared to the previous quarter because of the higher level of debt. We issued a 20-year bullet green bond in the Chilean market for approximately $250 million in October, and compared to the previous year because of the lower cash level. The Net Debt to EBITDA ratio closed the year at 1.87 times, stable throughout the year. We also like to mention that on November 18, we announced that we will be paying 60% of the liquid net income of 2022 as dividends.

Other relevant event that happened during the quarter was that we were once more recognized by the Dow Jones Sustainability Index as the second most sustainable company in the forest product sector, and we were selected for the Chile, MILA and Emerging Market Indices. This reflects our long-term sustainability commitment through a robust environment awareness, information transparency, managements against deforestation, a climate resilience. The BioCMPC project in Brazil continues to advance according to our expectation, and by the end of 2022 reached a 68% of physical completion and accumulated disbursement of $255 million. Finally, I would like to comment that we reached an agreement with the insurance company regarding the 2017 stoppage event at Guaíba. The agreement is for $215 million, which should be received in the coming days.

As I mentioned earlier, 2022 was a record year for CMPC on many fronts. Even though we are facing more challenging market dynamics in 2023, we reiterate our commitment to maintaining our position as a solid investment grade company with a disciplined approach to ensure a healthy balance sheet. We believe that this path will enable us to continue executing our 2030 strategy while creating value for our shareholders. Colomba, please now open the floor for questions.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Thank you, Fernando. We will now begin the Q&A session. Remember, we have here today Francisco Ruiz-Tagle, Raimundo Varela and Guilherme Viesi, who are available for questions. To ask a question, please raise your hand or type the question in the chat section of the platform. The first question comes from Caio Ribeiro. Caio, your mic is open.

Caio Ribeiro
Director and Head of LatAm Metals and Mining and Pulp and Paper Equity Research, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity. My first question is on costs, right? Which increased quite significantly on a quarter-on-quarter basis. You know, I know a large part of that is attributable to the maintenance stoppages in the quarter. I just wanted to see if you can split the impact of that inflation and costs in this quarter between maintenance and other costs that impacted the quarter as well, and what you expect, you know, in terms of the evolution in the first quarter and for 2023 as a whole, you know, versus the previous period. Secondly, there's this new provisional measure in Brazil that was announced late last year, which deals with transfer pricing rules to subsidiaries, related parties abroad, right?

Requires companies to adhere to OECD rules, which requires that these transfers be done at market prices, right? Rather than, cost plus a markup. I just wanted to see if you see any impacts, right, for your operations in Brazil, mainly Guaíba, right? Due to this provisional measure. Thank you.

Raimundo Varela
CEO of the Pulp Division, Empresas CMPC

Thank you for the question, Caio. This is Raimundo. The first question, our costs were higher in Q4, no doubt. We have seen during the year inflationary pressures in several of our raw materials. But we are seeing that, that has reached a peak. There is inertia in the cost, so we're still seeing that in our cost of goods sold. But we are already seeing that some of those raw materials have come down, so we expect our cost situation to improve. Also, you have to take into consideration that during Q4, our sales were lower volume, so therefore there is an issue of how those costs are diluted per every ton. No?

We think that we already passed that peak of our cost and the next quarter should be better. Regarding the second question, yes, we are aware and we do transfer our pulp at a market price. No? We are aware of those that you mentioned.

Caio Ribeiro
Director and Head of LatAm Metals and Mining and Pulp and Paper Equity Research, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Francisco Ruiz-Tagle
CEO, Empresas CMPC

I could complement what Raimundo is saying, that also in the fourth quarter, we had a three of the maintenance period of the mills. It also influenced the cost of the fourth quarter.

Caio Ribeiro
Director and Head of LatAm Metals and Mining and Pulp and Paper Equity Research, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Understood. Thank you very much.

Fernando Hasenberg
CFO, Empresas CMPC

No, complementing Caio, Raimundo's answer regarding this changing in legislation in Brazil. Today, we are compliant in everything related to OECD transfer rule prices. Yes, we will not have any impact on that regard.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Our next question comes from Isabella Vasconcelos. Isabella, your mic is open.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Okay, Hello?

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

There, there you are. Sorry about that.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Now it's working.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Okay, great.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I have a couple of questions on my side. First on Pulp market dynamics. I know we're still, you know, during the Lunar New Year. I just wanted to pick your brains on how market conditions have been evolving in China, specifically prior to the Lunar New Year, and your expectations after the holiday wraps up, and the Chinese paper makers return to activity. Also in terms of sales, I think it has been underperforming a little bit, our expectations at least over the past few quarters. I just wanted to understand how you are, you know, preparing sales for the first half of this year.

You have a lower concentration of maintenance stoppages, just wanted to make sure that we could see sales volumes trending up in the first half of 23. My second question on tissue market dynamics, specifically in Brazil, if you could comment on how demand has been evolving and in terms of pricing initiatives, if you have anything that could help improve margins on top of, you know, lower fiber cost pressures. Those are my questions. Thank you.

Guilherme Viesi
Chief Commercial Officer, CMPC Pulp

Isabella, thank you for the question. I'll take the demand part from China. China has been showing some weakness since the beginning of Q4 last year. October, November, December, we have seen some softness in the demand. It has impacted us. It has impacted our volume. Now they're in the Chinese New Year. It is usual to have a lower demand during this period. Although we have seen a slight pickup in demand during the Chinese New Year, which has surprised us a bit positively. Our expectation is that when China comes back from the Chinese New Year and China opening up its borders should contribute to an internal demand, right?

Airports, restaurants, hotels, they will start being filled. Their capacity will generate more paper demand and consequently more pulp demand. We remain attention about what the developments of China. Indeed, now during the Chinese New Year, we have seen a seasonal lower demand with a slight pickup that has positively surprised us.

Fernando Hasenberg
CFO, Empresas CMPC

In connection with the tissue question, my answer would be that we're seeing, you know, still Brazil is a very competitive market. We have been, you know, in a process of increasing prices during the year, but still, you know, haven't been able to probably to trespass all the cost increases we suffered during the inflation period. I would say the demand is in kind of in a normal level, and we have an interesting, you know, challenge for 2023. I would say that We feel comfortable with what we're doing there, you know, in incorporating Carta Fabril, which was our last acquisition in Brazil.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Thank you.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Yes. Thank you, Isabella. Our next question comes from the chat section. It says, "The company has maturing debt in May this year. Will you refinance in Chile or the international markets?" This one goes to Fernando.

Francisco Ruiz-Tagle
CEO, Empresas CMPC

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Colomba. Indeed, we have a $500 million that is due in May. We have an important cash position. As we announced, we reached an agreement with insurance company. We should receive $250 million in the coming days. With that, we are well-positioned actually even to pay that bond without any refinancing. However, we have a CapEx program. We're working on closing the acquisition of Mabe in Mexico. Probably we'll be in the market, and we are exploring different alternatives with banks, with bonds in Chile, in international markets. Yeah, we are looking at different alternatives right now.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

Please remember to type in your question or to raise your hand, to ask a question. We have another from Isabella. Isabella your mic is open.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Okay, great. Thank you for the opportunity to follow up. On top of the comments that you made on China, which were clear in terms of the demand outlook, if it was possible to also comment on the dynamics that you've been seeing recently in Europe, in terms of demand and also the outlook for prices, if possible. You know, we have heard that demand has been decreasing in Europe in late last year, but prices have been, you know, surprisingly resilient. Just wanted to see what you've been seeing in the market and expectations for the coming months and quarters. Thank you.

Guilherme Viesi
Chief Commercial Officer, CMPC Pulp

Thank you, Isabella. I'll take that again. Yeah, your summary reflects pretty well what's happening. Europe has been more resilient compared to China, both in terms of price and demand. Although we have seen a slight decline in demand towards the end of the year, mostly in December. Prices have held up pretty strongly. Expectations are, well, probably it's unsustainable, the gap we have from Europe to China now. China has started the price decline around October last year, and Europe has held up, meaning that this gap has been increasing. Expectations are that January is gonna be probably a much tougher discussion to end of January, and we believe that prices will tend to move trending down towards more China than holding up. That would be our expectations probably during Q1.

Isabella Vasconcelos
Equity Research Analyst, Bradesco BBI

Thank you.

Colomba Henríquez
Investor Relations Officer, Empresas CMPC

I don't see any more questions. Okay, I see one more question here in the chat section. They're asking how much will cost trend down during the first quarter, but of course we're not giving any guidance on that. I don't know if there's any other questions. Okay, I'm not seeing any further questions. I want to thank you everyone that connected to the call today and also to Fernando, Francisco, Raimundo, Guilherme for joining us for the Q&A session. Thank you so much everyone, and have a great weekend.

Powered by