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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

Apr 24, 2019

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Thank you very much. Welcome to our earnings call for first quarter. Let me, as always, start with a couple of introductory comments. First, demand in most end markets for Alfa Laval remained firm and positive in Q1. All regions contributed to record order intake. We continued a stable margin improvement, landing at 17% for the quarter, mainly driven by volume growth and productivity. Lastly, you may have noted towards the end of our quarterly report, a whole host of new product introductions during the quarter. Our R&D expenses has increased to a running rate of about SEK 1 billion from a couple of years ago when we were running at about SEK 600 million, as a result of a conscious plan to strengthen our technology leadership in our business.

In 2019, we will have a record number of product launches. I really encourage you, if you haven't already, to check some very interesting examples of new products hitting the market pretty much as we speak. We are very excited about that program. Let me turn to the presentation, go to the key figures. They are, as you've seen, of course, largely positive. One exception is on the cash flow side, where we, driven by higher working capital as a result of growth and increased CapEx, are just about flat-ish compared to a year ago. Other than that, we have solid growth, sales and EBITDA is up 15% respectively in the quarter. Order intake is at an all-time high at SEK 12.2 billion, and we've been at the running rate at around the SEK 12 billion mark for the last four quarters.

You may argue that there are some currency-inflated numbers in there. That is to a degree, too. It's also a quarter with relatively few large orders announced. As such, we feel very good about the underlying pace of our business and base business in the first quarter of 2019. As you know, we follow our organic growth also excluding environmental applications and currency for that matter. Here you see the picture on what share of our growth has been taken by the new environmental applications in Marine and our organic growth of the rest of our business. Earlier in 2017, when we started our growth journey, the base business, excluding the environmental and currency, was at around the 10% mark. The last quarters, including this one, we've been more hovering around the 5% mark in terms of organic growth of our existing business.

You may also make the reflection that if we compare to our run rate of order intake in the mid 2016, when we changed our strategy, we were at about the SEK 32 billion LTM on order intake. If you take our last fourth quarter, we are more towards the SEK 48 billion, a difference of about SEK 16 billion in a two-three-year period. If you look at the composition of those two, approximately half is related to the launch of our new Marine environmental applications, and about half, around SEK 8 billion, is the organic growth of our traditional product portfolio. I think that is a reasonable achievement over the years from the point of view of growth. The margin developed well in Q1. We had a reasonably clean quarter overall. We had, as always, various one-offs, negatives and positive, affecting the group margin.

This quarter, it was rather on the negative side as opposed to the first quarter last year. Even so, volume purchasing, pricing initiatives more than compensated that effect on the group margin. Overall, we went up at 0.1% to 17% for the quarter. Looking at the divisional level, the Energy division had a very strong demand in the quarter. In fact, our first quarter order intake was the highest since the last peak in the energy sector in 2014. Demand was strong both inside and outside of the hydrocarbon chain. Also, the margin improved despite, I should point out, that invoicing was relatively low in the quarter, despite the high backlog.

The margin improvement was partly a result of the improving situation at the supply imbalances that troubled us in Q4 last year. That situation has been largely addressed as we are coming out of Q1 this year. Food and Water had another strong quarter overall, with firm demand across many of the end user segments. To a degree, we even saw some strengthening of demand trends in certain areas of the business compared to the end of last year. Specifically, the large wastewater order announced in the quarter in the U.S. reflects a very positive momentum in the U.S. specifically, and in wastewater certainly, where the investments into wastewater treatment are increasing and is reflecting on our intake in Q1.

Margins continued to perform well, improving by volume, a good mix in capital sales, and a continuation of the trend of lower cost of quality that we had for the last two years in projects execution. Finally, moving on to the Marine division. We had a sharp increase in orders compared to last year, certainly also on the invoicing side. In terms of invoicing, we are having a good drop through with stable gross margin in the marine business and limited growth in the admin and sales cost, consequently, a very positive development on the earnings in the division in the quarter. The orders that were booked in Q1 reflected a fairly good ship mix in the yard contracting in 2018, which started to convert into equipment orders for Alfa Laval in Q1.

At this point, let me make a few comments regarding the marine environmental applications, also looking into Q2 this year. The environmental applications accounted for approximately SEK 2 billion in order intake in Q1. PureSOx continued on a high level in the quarter, as we expected. With the current long lead times for deliveries and the market awaiting the development of fuel deltas towards the end of 2019, we expect a lower demand in Q2 compared to Q1, specifically on the PureSOx products. Let me remind you that we have indicated since 2016 that we will see some volatilities in order intake on the PureSOx business between quarters. This is not a deviation compared to how we have originally stated the outlook for the market back in 2016.

It's also so that at this point in time, as you know, there are no order slots available for 2019, nor in the beginning of 2020 for new orders, which is obviously affecting customer activity in the short term. Let's move on to service. We had a slightly mixed picture in service in Q1. The most positive aspects in the service was a clear rebound in the marine spare parts sales after a weak Q4, which was sharply up. Energy division had a great 2018 in service. Q1 in 2019 started weaker, especially in spares. However, the reconditioning services reached an all-time high in terms of volume in our service centers around the world, so the underlying service activity as such has been good in the Energy division, despite slightly weaker numbers. In Food and Water, it was weakly positive compared to Q1 last year.

Finally, on service, you may notice that we traditionally have been in the area of 30% orders and invoicing in terms of service. At this point in time, with a large expansion of capital sales over the last two years, you will find that our share of service in terms of invoicing and order intake is decreased and will do so in a period of elevated capital sales also in the future. Let me make just a brief summary on the divisional performance then. It's better across the three divisions for different reasons. In the Marine division, as I indicated, solid invoicing growth and a good drop through resulted in a good increase in both margin and in earnings overall.

In the Energy division, we have successfully addressed the rebalancing issues in the supply chain and largely improved from that situation in Q4, in addition to a good mix in invoicing. Finally, Food and Water continued on a stable volume growth and a lower cost of quality trend that we've been on for the last two years. All in all, for the three divisions, a fairly solid quarter. Rounding off then with a regional perspective on our order intake, and as you should expect, it is, of course, then largely positive across the global arena. We are very positive about the business sentiments in North America. Certainly, in the U.S., it continues on a high level, and we had a very strong year-on-year growth in the North American market, not only related to the energy sector.

Latin America, despite the -37% in the order intake, is actually largely moving forward in a good way, including Brazil. The negative number is more than explained by the fact that we booked a SEK 30 million brewery order in Mexico last year, which was not repeated in Latin America, but the underlying base business development is very positive in Latin America as well. Most of Asia, and that includes certainly China, continued on a good growth path, and we remain positive to the market conditions in Asia going into Q2. Europe finally, including Germany, showed a stable and solid situation pretty much across the board with some regional variations in the European market. All in all, as I said, we felt we were off to a good start in 2019.

With that, I'll hand over to Jan Allde, our CFO, for some further financial comments on the quarterly report. Jan?

Jan Allde
CFO, Alfa Laval

Thank you, Tom. Some overall reflections on the Q1 results from my side. We continued to see a good organic growth in Q1. Orders were up 16% and sales were up 10% on a comparable basis, meaning we continued to build backlog. Our order backlog is now at a record high level. The reported EBITA margin showed a slight increase at 17% in Q1, driven by stable gross margin, despite the negative capital sales of the sales mix. Good cost control considering the overall high activity level in the company. The improved operating profit, in combination with the lower tax rate, contributed to an EPS growth of 16% in the quarter. As Tom covered order intake, I will move directly to sales. The guidance for sales was, we believe that invoicing in Q1 should be somewhat higher than in Q1 last year, and sequentially somewhat down.

We realized sales of SEK 10.2 billion in Q1, which, as you can see from the slide, means we ended up in line with our expectation, even as the Energy division came in a bit on the low side. Before I give you the sales guidance for Q2, I would like to ask you to please note that from now on, it will be based on a year-on-year performance rather than sequential, in line with how we present our performance in the new quarterly report. With regards to our Q2 sales, my outlook is as follows. Considering our strong order backlog, we believe that invoicing in Q2 2019 should be somewhat higher than in Q2 last year. Looking at the gross margin. The gross margin came in higher than Q4 2018 and about the same level as Q1 2018. A normal seasonal pattern, and as we had guided.

Let me give some sequential comments here. The service share of sales were unchanged in the quarter, providing no positive mix effect. However, we started to see a positive impact from the pricing updates made in Q4 2018, providing a totally positive mix price impact. The impact from load ended up being neutral, whilst we had guided for a negative effect. The reason is that despite the lower sales volumes, especially in the Energy division, we successfully addressed some of the imbalances in the supply chain that affected margin in that division at the end of last year. We saw a positive mix from a net of PPVs and metal prices as expected. Finally, also as expected, we saw a tailwind from FX in the quarter. Over to my outlook.

Please note that also for gross profit, my guidance from now on will be on a year-on-year basis. The starting point is the 35.4% gross margin we reported in Q2 of last year. We expect a negative capital sales off the sales mix in Q2 as a consequence of a large increase in capital sales order intake we experienced during 2018. As stated earlier, we expect invoicing to be higher in Q2 versus last year. However, as we have built up capacity in the last 12 months, we expect the loading impact to be neutral to slightly positive versus last year. We expect a neutral net PPV metals impact. Finally, we expect to see a positive FX impact. Looking at some of the key figures in the P&L. The development of sales and gross profit was covered in previous slides.

Excluding FX and divestment acquisitions, SG&A expenses were up 3.7% in the quarter. This increase is mainly explained by investment made in the marine business. This shows that we have good cost control in the quarter. We have continued to invest in product portfolio, R&D increased by 18% on a comparable basis, equal to 2.6% of sales. Moving over to other this year compared to last, is explained by the following items. Other costs increased by SEK 98 million versus last year due to an increase in royalties paid to our ballast water joint venture partner following the recent quarters' uptick in volumes, as well as higher footprint related costs, and a loss related to a settlement of an old legal case in the U.S. Other income was SEK 59 million lower since Q1 of last year gain from the sale of a real estate.

Tom already covered the positive impact from the divisions, I will talk about the development in Operations and Other. Operations and Other came in lower than last year, explained by higher footprint cost and a loss from the litigation I just mentioned. In addition, in Q1 of last year included a gain from another legal settlement, making the swing of non-recurring items between the two quarters unusually large. Regarding operating income, the impact from the implementation of IFRS 16 was fairly small. Our estimated impact for the full year is approximately SEK 40 million positive, as stated in our latest annual report. The tax rate was 24.5% compared to 28.6% last year.

The tax rate in Q1 last year included a one-time negative impact on the deferred tax provision of 30 million SEK due to the reduced tax rate, primarily in the U.S. We maintain our tax guidance of 26% going forward. As I said before, EPS increased by 16% in Q1 due to the stronger EBITDA performance and the lower tax expenses. Looking at cash flow. Cash flow from operating activities increased versus last year due to the strong operating results. Working capital increased by SEK 379 million in the quarter. This increase was primarily due to build-up of inventories in the preparation of executing the record high order backlog. It is important to point out that the increase was to a large extent offset by an increase in customer advances.

Investing activities, including CapEx, investment of SEK 434 million, which follows the execution of our footprint program, as earlier communicated, as well as SEK 61 million payment for the acquisition of the ACE business in Energy division. Financial net paid, excluding FX impact, was zero. This means that our free cash flow came in higher in Q1 versus last year. You should be aware that similar to last year, we will have a negative cash flow impact of approximately SEK 200 million in 2019 from the regulatory changes in Sweden requiring us to release the risk provision related to our captive insurance over a three-year period ending in 2020. Finally, regarding IFRS 16, please note that we have decided to show our net debt position, including the lease liabilities. This increases the net debt by approximately SEK 2.8 billion and consequently impacts the net debt to EBITDA ratio.

Excluding this accounting change, we have reduced our net debt by a half a billion SEK in Q1. When it comes to FX impact in EBITDA, in the quarter was a positive SEK 95 million. The transaction effect was positively SEK 20 million, primarily due to the stronger EUR versus SEK. The FX revaluation impact in the quarter was a positive SEK 20 million due to a slight weakening of the US dollar versus NOK in Q1, positively impacting the marine business. The translation effect in Q1 was a positive impact of SEK 55 million, again, primarily due to the stronger EUR versus SEK. Looking at the projection for full year 2019, we expect a positive FX transaction impact of SEK 225 million and a positive FX translation impact of SEK 160 million, i.e., a total FX impact positive of SEK 385 million.

Looking at our backlog at the end of March, we had a total order backlog of SEK 25.7 billion, a record high level, and an increase due to positive book-to-bill of 1.2 in the quarter. This means our order backlog has increased by close to 9% since end of 2018 at constant exchange rates and now represents 7.3 months of LTM sales. For shipment in 2019, the backlog amounted to SEK 16.6 billion, an increase compared to the same period of last year with SEK 3.2 billion. Let's move over to the bridge for the 2019 sale. Please note that also here, we have changed the slide a little bit. From now on, we will stick to providing input on the parameters that are known. The other items we leave for you to consider, even if we will provide some input to help you along.

Starting with Q1 sales of SEK 10.2 billion, the backlog for shipment in the remaining part of 2019 is SEK 16.6 billion. The divesture of the Greenhouse division will take up sales of some SEK 0.7 billion in the rest of 2019, and this adds up then to SEK 26.1 billion. On top of that, you will need to make your estimate on prices and in-for-out orders and FX translation impact for the rest of 2019. For your reference, the level of in-for-out orders in Q2 through Q4 2018 was SEK 18.4 billion. Regards to FX translation, this impact is, of course, very difficult to estimate, but our best estimate is approximately SEK 1 billion positive impact based on the closing rate at the end of March. By that, I hand back to you, Tom.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Thank you, Jan, and let me then give you some comments and context to our forward-looking statement. You're well aware of, let's call it the base case scenario that we are following in management, which has assumed that the macroeconomic environment will be largely stable in 2019, and we will expect that we will see softer macroeconomic and slowing GDP growth rates coming into 2020. Based on that, we are putting our operational plans into action, knowing very well that we might be wrong in both directions. 2019 started as expected. It was an okay quarter with strong economic activity, and we remain with the same macroeconomic scenario that we have worked with for several years as a base plan. In our sectors in general, we expect demand for our end markets to largely continue on about the same level in Q2 as they did in Q1.

We see a positive activity and positive indicators in most of our end markets. As indicated earlier in our presentation, we do expect a lower demand in the scrubber market, specifically, due to the long delivery times and ship owners monitoring fuel data towards the year-end. Given the elevation of the order intake on that side for a period of time, that has some impact on our outlook statement as to what we expect for Q2. It leads to the following summary. For the group, we expect somewhat lower order intake in Q2 compared to Q1 this year. For the Marine Division, we expect a lower demand. For the Food, Water, and Energy Division, we expect the demand situation to remain on about the same level as in Q1. With that, we finish the presentation, and we open for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Now, ladies and gentlemen, we will begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A session. It will take only a few moments. If you wish to cancel your request, please press the hash key. The first question comes from the line of Klas Bergelind. Please go ahead.

Klas Bergelind
Analyst, Citi

A few questions, please. First, on the energy side, obviously good to see that the downstream business is still surprising positively from a high level, thinking about refining and petrochem, and this could mean that we still obviously have further upside in up- and midstream. You are at a high level near the previous peak in oil and gas, around SEK 7 billion, but the mix looks different this time, so there could be more upside, in my view, in up- and midstream. We're not seeing this in the quarter, though. The oil price is up sharply, but upstream orders are still at a low level. Could you, Tom, please talk a little bit about the quotation activity on the equipment side in oil and gas, and then also on in-for-out services, where you have that weakness on the spare parts?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

First, I think sometimes we get a bit overexcited on whether the oil price is SEK 50 or SEK 60 or SEK 70 on a given month, any given quarter. The investment programs in the sector are much more long-term than that, and we felt that the investment programs have been advancing in a fairly steady and stable pace over at least the last year and a half. We haven't changed our view on that. We certainly see good activity, well in line with previously announced plans on the offshore sector. I would say the structural difference we see this time compared to four or five years ago is on land-based projects, where, especially on the shale gas, the efficiency measures and technology development has created better leverage on the existing equipment than was there in the past. Let's see where the demand side goes.

I think in terms of the offshore, you should expect volatility between quarters. It is largely driven by the large orders, so you tend to see at least some of them in the process as we progress in a quarter. All in all, we feel good about where we are in terms of the market on energy at the moment.

Klas Bergelind
Analyst, Citi

On services there?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I don't have a specific comment on the service side as it relates to the oil sector specifically, no.

Klas Bergelind
Analyst, Citi

My second one is on Marine. Solid margin here, despite what I think was higher deliveries of environmental, which is lower margin versus the overall Marine margin. I guess the previous strong deliveries of pumping systems should start to compound. That sounds to me like the mix can get worse in Marine from here. Obviously, pumping system is a high margin. Do you expect the higher volumes in environmental improving the operational gearing, and that will be more than an offset versus the mix also into the next quarter?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

What we've said about pumping systems since some time back was that we did have a strong order booking situation for a period of time, partly beginning last year, if I remember the timing specifically. We also said clearly that the invoicing effect of those orders should not be expected before end 2018 and then into 2019. I think our order book when it comes to pumping system is based on the order intake certainly from last year and even to a degree end 2017. That effect is there, and it's not a Q1 effect, to put it that way. When it comes to environmental applications, we've said all along that we should not expect the environmental applications to have a negative effect on the group margins, and I think so far that statement holds true.

Klas Bergelind
Analyst, Citi

I was thinking just this year, my numbers environmental within marine will become quite a big part. Obviously the volume effect is quite material as well as an offset, I guess. My final one is on energy, I'm thinking about you had some project slippages on the delivery phase. I just want to understand, was that from a customer point of view, or did you have any issues delivering out of the backlog? Should we see that same slippage in energy coming back already in the second quarter?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I would not express it as a slippage as such. Our delivery service out on the energy is largely well on track. The deliveries of each large project is affected by when customers have receiving dates and is in some instances dependent on having final payments before final shipments and these type of things. I think, what you see is some variations between months and quarters. We are not alarmed. There is no, as we see it, underlying issue related to the invoicing side, nor do I want to express too much of the pent up floodgates. We have a solid order book. It's a solid and very valid order book, and the order stock is there. When you see what we have in terms of to deliver this year, which is a higher number certainly than last year. We're comfortable where we are.

Klas Bergelind
Analyst, Citi

Okay. Just a timing issue. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Alexander Virgo. Please go ahead.

Alexander Virgo
Analyst, Evercore

Thanks very much. Morning there, Tom, Jan. Afternoon.

Operator

Sorry, participant, can you just up your voice a little bit? It's a little bit far. Okay.

Alexander Virgo
Analyst, Evercore

Hello, can you hear me now?

Operator

Yeah. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Alexander Virgo
Analyst, Evercore

Hi, Tom. Good afternoon. I wondered, could you talk a little bit about the marine business underneath, or ex the scrubbers and ballast, and just talk a little bit about the prognosis for demand? I know you mentioned, obviously, the benefit of contracting from last year. I just wondered if you could talk a little bit about what we've seen developing so far this year on marine. Then on energy, I think we touched a little bit on the mix benefits that you've seen there in the first quarter. I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about how that looks like or help us think about how that looks like for the rest of the year. Thank you.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Well, I start with energy, as you know, we're not very fond of giving yearly predictions as to where certain parts of our business is going. The one aspect that I will provide you is that we did invoice some mega projects on the energy side last year during the first half, during Q1 and Q2, and that had some margin effect at that point in time. I think our order book here for Q2 is good, and I leave it at that. In terms of the marine side, we saw a fairly healthy mix and the contracting level in various areas of our business, excluding the environmental, as you rightly point out. So we had, I think, a pretty solid Q1 order booking also outside of the environmental applications.

As you could hear from our forward-looking statement, our view is that we see continued stable market conditions for our marine business including ballast water, let me put it like that so that we are clear what we are talking about here. There are some ordering patterns or demand patterns on the scrubber side specifically, and it has no bearing on areas outside of scrubbers. We are okay with that. Certainly, to the degree where we do book offshore business into the Marine division, that remains also in a market situation which looks positive for now.

Alexander Virgo
Analyst, Evercore

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you so much. The next question comes from the line of Max Yates. Max Yates, please go ahead.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Just my first question's on the scrubber orders that you are taking. I think there have been kind of a few capacity increases from competitors. I think you or your other large competitor have sort of previously talked about perhaps many in the industry not making money. I just wanted to understand, given that capacity on the scrubber side may have increased, how do you feel about pricing of the orders that you've taken, and have you started to see it maybe shift from a seller's market into maybe more of a buyer's market?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I think my pretty clear answer to that is, no, we haven't seen any big changes in the market dynamics. I think to a degree, maybe this question of seller's market has been overemphasized in the past. It's been true that it's been a seller's market in the sense that we had the opportunity to decide what orders did we want to go into and where did we not want to go. Consequently, we have put big priorities to our existing long-term customer relationships, and we have taken great cautions to apply our capacities on orders where the ship series is way beyond one or two ships. We didn't want to engineer systems specifically for a single ship. That's for how we have deployed our capacity.

You could say that is a selectivity tool that has not to the degree that we've chosen certain larger ship series, that is supportive to the cost pictures and to a degree to support the margins in the business. I have also reminded the market a number of times that we've been selling scrubbers for the last five years. There is an understanding of where the market prices are, and while it's nice to have a high demand for your products, you cannot take undue advantage of your existing customer relationships in a situation where they are put on the spot. A couple of years from now, they're going to sit with the cards. Memory is long in this business. We've been acting long-term, responsible. We developed a product strategy that we believe is right.

As you've seen from the results in Q1, where the environmental invoicing is starting to come through, what we've communicated to you as our best estimate for the business is holding, and I don't see any change on that. I think the change is the issue that you need to consider, and certainly that we need to consider, is the question of where are fuel prices going in terms of low sulfur, high sulfur towards the end of the year. That's going to drive the next wave of investments, and it doesn't come to a black or white scenario. As you well know, the larger ships are consuming high volumes of fuel. The delta needs to be less than on smaller ships with a low fuel consumption.

The uncertainties about the final market size once the retrofit is over is going to depend a little bit on how this market plays out.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Maybe just to, I guess, clarify a point within the sequential declining scrubber guidance. Is that primarily a comment on effectively you being booked out and others having capacity, or is that also a reflection that you think the overall market size may be starting to slow from the very high levels that we've seen in Q3, Q4, and Q1?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Well, our market outlook statement is fundamentally describing an underlying market demand. We tend to put equal signs with that and order intake, which may or may not be fully true. Our estimate is that the market demand for scrubber solutions will be lower in Q2. We base that partly on the fact that a number of our existing customers have already placed the first batch of their fleet into a scrubber implementation. Those customers are awaiting the development a little bit now for implementation of that and also the actual development in the fuel market before they are committing the next batch. I don't see that this is a game between various competitors, but I leave that to you to judge and analyze. This is our view.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Maybe if you could I don't know whether you'd be willing to give within Marine, just to understand this, is the only reason that you've guided that division down purely because of scrubbers, or is that a reflection?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

The answer is yes.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

The answer is yes. Okay. Just the final question on M&A and the pipeline. I think my impression, at least, was that you talked a little bit more about this maybe moving back into focus now, a lot of the restructuring measures have been taken. Maybe if you could just comment on priorities by division, how you're seeing valuations, where the pipeline is today versus six months ago, just to give us a sense of where that is in terms of your priorities and whether we may see something this year or valuations are, again, prohibitive perhaps. Just any comments on that would be helpful. Thank you.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Thank you. I think it's a well-formulated question. It describes a little bit the situation we are in, I think, in effect. I think we are more externally oriented in our work now after the org change and restructuring change and strategy change in the group. In that sense, the scouting and the pipeline, I think is somewhat more extensive and somewhat firmer than it was a year ago and certainly two years ago. I've been around long enough to realize that acquisitions are partly about taking opportunities when they arise. If you go overly strategic in terms of what you want to do or not want to do, chances are you're going to do very little. I do have an open mind given that the targets are right and the valuations are reasonable.

If I were you, I'd keep an open mind as to where we find those opportunities in the end. I think there's been pricing issues on a lot of those companies. In some instances, you can do strategic pricing if it's a small acquisition with a real long-term growth. For many of the larger industrial entities that we may be looking at, there needs to be a way to earn back shareholders' money. We tend to work with the DCF. We are not doing multiple arbitrage as a way to drive M&A. We are doing proper DCF calculations, and we want to have the shareholders' money back over a certain period of time in order to make it worthwhile. It may be a strain. I think valuations are still a bit hot, let's see where we go.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. My take from that is that there was a range of larger deals and smaller ones in the pipeline, and that you weren't particularly minded towards bolt-ons or large, it's just much more about shareholder returns. Is that fair?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

It is true, at the same time, I would say this, that if I look at all of the M&A that we've done over the last 10 years, our experience, just from managing integration and managing those acquisitions, is to a degree that the larger they've been, the better we've been handling it. If I look at the mix in terms of the number of M&As that we've done historically, I think I would be inclined, if it's not a technology play, which we did with Air Cooled Exchangers, which was just last quarter, which was just a SEK 2 million turnover company, but with a product technology that was excellent. We have started to ramp that product in the Alfa Laval supply chain as of April 1. It was a way to cut our R&D times and development times and getting something onto market.

That is one thing, other than that, I think we would rather look at somewhat larger entities as opposed to very small companies at this point in time.

Max Yates
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Johan Eliason. Please go ahead.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Hi, this is Johan Eliason of Kepler Cheuvreux. Just coming back to this marine margin, sorry for that. You said there's no reason to expect the environmental margins to be negative for group average margins. Does that include PureSOx also post the royalty payment?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

The royalty payments are in the PureBallast. Yes, it includes that.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Half the margin in PureBallast and full margin on PureSOx, that's going to give us minimum group average.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

That's our commitment to you guys.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

I was still curious about this text you said about the scrubber service agreement. I think to my understanding, previously we haven't talked much about the aftermarket opportunity for these scrubbers. Now you seem to have a service agreement. How important do you think that sort of business will be?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

What is happening in both PureSOx, and the announcement was on the PureSOx specifically, but it's also true for PureBallast, is that the functionality of the system is linked to significant fines for the ship owners if they get an inspection in one of the harbors. They need to be able to prove that the system has been working while they've been on the territorial waters of the receiving harbor. It's not enough to inspect the system. You need to have a log, and you need to have a way to show compliance. Our connectivity solutions, in both of these product areas, provides the ship owner with the full certainty that, A, there will be a proper log, B, they will be able to demonstrate compliance given all the different national rules that exist. It's not global rules only.

There are different caps and different regulations in various jurisdictions, our systems are able to handle that. They will know that they have been or in compliance, whether you're a captain on board or whether you're a ship owner on shore. I think this aspect is a very important one in order to commit to a service contract. That way, we would take responsibility for that is working. I think with that said, of course, we will not, in terms of share of revenue anywhere short, see the same sort of consumption pattern on spare parts that we see on rotary equipment. We think it can be a meaningful business for us going forward with a reasonable install base, yes.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

This install base, you can only offer this for your own equipment, I assume. I guess there's a lot of new entrants having sold scrubbers all over the place that doesn't really have a service organization in place. Will you be able to take some opportunity there? It sounds more like a technical solution rather than having your feet in the street and then doing the aftermarket service, if I understand correctly.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

It's a good question. I'm not sure there's no black and white answer to that. What we have seen, what I can tell you is that we have been retrofitting customers already that installed a ballast water cleaning system that was not functional enough. I think the rush towards getting solutions in place has put some ship owners into a troublesome situation when it comes to ensuring the compliance and functionality of their equipment on both PureBallast and on PureSOx. To what degree we are able to be part of a solution to that or not. I think I would leave that question open, but I have all the time said that these 50 PureBallast companies that argue that they can do an installation on a ship is pure nonsense.

I think it's proven that the consolidation of the number of suppliers on, for example, the PureBallast has gone very quickly. We are not that many companies around who is actually handling this market. I think the reason is exactly what you say. You need to be able to have a global service organization, ensure compliance. You need to be around 10 years from now, that's how the shipowners are selecting suppliers when they have time.

Johan Eliason
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Lars W. Brorson. Please go ahead.

Lars Brorson
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you very much. Hi, Tom. Hey, Jan. Couple of smaller questions for Jan, perhaps, on group cost and distortion items and also Greenhouse. Just to clarify, Tom, on marine margins, and sorry to belabor the point, I know you don't want to open up too much, but I hear from you that PureSOx and PureBallast combined on a net basis for PureBallast is not dilutive to group margins. Call it about 15% EBIT margin at the group level. Obviously, PureBallast is presumably dilutive on a net basis. I presume that means PureSOx is well above group margins. Is it dilutive to divisional margins in marine, PureSOx?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Now you start to ask on percentage term or to narrow in this guidance perhaps a little bit too much. We are in the beginning of a ramp-up. We sit with a lot of pre-calc and during the short period of time of invoicing, a relatively limited post-calc. I wouldn't go too far in proclaiming margins on the detail. I think the comments I've been making already should at least give you an indication that our original statement that the net of those two is not diluting group margin, that we feel increasingly comfortable with. I think that's the statement.

Lars Brorson
Analyst, Barclays

Understood. It's obviously a big part of your backlog and a big swing factor for this year. Anyway, I understand. Jan, if I can just clarify that there is SEK 67 million of distortion items in the quarter. In the table on page four in your report, I think you've got zero comparison distortion items for the quarter, but in the text you talk about a SEK 67 million. Is that right? If so, am I right in saying that the group cost or Operations and Other is sitting on an underlying basis about SEK 140 million? You talk about higher footprint cost still going into 2019. I think we had about SEK 150 million or so last year adding to group cost. I wonder how, maybe at a slightly higher level, how we should think about modeling out your group item line for the year.

Jan Allde
CFO, Alfa Laval

Yeah. The only comparison distortion item we had was in Q1 2018, and that was the sale of the real estate in Peru there that I mentioned. When it comes to our Operations and Other, there is no comparison distortion items booked in Operations and Other. The reason for the increase, or let's say lower results in Q1 2019 versus 2018, I would say it's, let's say about a third of that is higher footprint cost. It doesn't necessarily change our outlook overall for the footprint cost in 2019 versus 2018. We have said that for 2019, the overall footprint cost should be about the same level as in 2018. The rest of the difference for Operations and Other is related to these legal cases that I was mentioning.

We had a positive outcome in Q1 last year, and we have a negative item in Q1 2019. It's the swing between those two that explains the remaining difference. Was that clear?

Lars Brorson
Analyst, Barclays

Understood. Yeah, it is clear. Sorry, I think I misread your statement. I think you're talking about maybe a separate item. Anyway, I understand that it's nothing in the first quarter. Separately, finally, if I could just ask Greenhouse division, Tom, where are you now in completing the sale of your commercial industrial heat exchanger business? Until that's out, how should we think about, should say, normalized margins for the next couple of quarters in Greenhouse division? I was a bit surprised to see that drop back to negative margins in Q1. Thanks.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Well, when it comes to the part that we're looking at. Well, let's put it like this. There are some distorting issues. Obviously, when we have a small unit which is loaded with transactional cost, and there are some other things in there. We are not actually troubled by the margin situation for the quarter, although it doesn't look fantastic as such. There is a good integrity in the business that we are looking to sell. The agreement has been signed, we do, as before, expect the closing in the first half of this year. For every day that goes, we should be coming a day closer. We'll prefer to have closing before we announce it. Our expectation is that we are on track.

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question comes from the line of Sven Weier. Please go ahead.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Yes. Hi there. Three questions from my side, please. The first one is on your product content in the engine room. I was just wondering, obviously, the majority of ships are going to use low sulfur fuel, and I was just wondering if your content for the engine room is actually the same for a ship that burns low sulfur fuel, given that the heavy fuel oil obviously needs some pretreatment. Is it the same or less?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I think, as a guiding comment, I would hesitate to come out too strongly. I'm not sure I can overlook all of the implications for the changes. What has happened and what we believe in many cases will remain for new build is the fact that a lot of ships want to maintain multiple fuel options. In reality, you will have equipment on board to be able to handle eventualities. The entire fleet of 60,000 ships for now sits on the fuel systems that they have, and they will most likely opt to use them. For the new build, we see scrubber installations on the new build orders as well as for retrofit. That has been well in line with our expectations as to what will happen. Our big customers, as you know, are two-stroke engines, which takes you to large ocean-going, high fuel-consuming ships.

We expect scrubber installations and consequently ability to treat the fuel line also for heavy fuel oil on the new build side, more or less in line with our scenario. My instant reaction to your question is we don't see a big short-term shift on this. There may be some shifts going towards gas and other changes, which has other implications for us down the road. For the short term, I wouldn't factor it in as a major issue.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Theoretically, it would be a different contract. Practically, people keep the flexibility. That's what we see right now.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

That's what we've been seeing right now. Mm-hmm.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

You kind of took the second question because, obviously the next big thing after IMO 2020 is going to be more LNG propulsion to comply with the CO2 rules. I guess at the moment you're still a bit short in terms of LNG propulsion content. Is that something you work in your product pipeline to increase that substantially, or is that one area, because you spoke about the M&A pipeline, that you could be covering with a larger deal, or both?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I think in a sense you're spot on. I think we see the conversion to gas. It's happening. It's happening relatively slowly, but nevertheless, so far the announcements you see tend to be ships that have known port destination during their lifetime, as opposed to ships that are perhaps owned and then leased out or operated by somebody else, where you need full flexibility. I think we can expect that we see an increase of gas, and obviously that puts some question to us in terms of how we will develop our pipeline. With that said, I just want to remind you that handling gas offshore and onshore is also part of our core business, so it doesn't take us from 100 to zero, but in any case.

I think in a more gas-driven marine world, we may want to see our product portfolio slightly different or complemented to a degree going forward. That is within the scope of what we're working with, yes.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Just lastly, I was just wondering if you could give us some indication, because you mentioned scrubber sales were already quite up in Q1. I would have probably expected a bit more backend loading. Could you give us an indication how big the sales share of environmental was in Q1 in marine?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

In marine, it was 2 billion SEK in the quarter.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

That was on the order intake, right? On the revenues?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Hold a second.

Yeah. We should be around about half of that in terms of the invoice booking out.

Sven Weier
Analyst, UBS

Okay. That's all. Thank you, Tom.

Operator

Thank you so much. The next question comes from the line of Andreas Koski. Please go ahead.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Thank you very much. Hi, Tom. Hi, Jan. Could I start with the profitability in Food and Water? I remember when you reported Q4 2018 numbers and a very good margin in the Food and Water business. You said that it was excellent execution and that we shouldn't really extrapolate that kind of EBIT margin. Now in Q1, you are almost delivering the same kind of EBIT margin supported by the favorable mix, of course. Do you feel more confident now that the Food and Water margin has taken a step up due to better execution, or how do you feel about that?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

We come from a situation where when we looked at our food applications going back in history, we struggled to get above the 15% level. I think we've been addressing the profitability challenge with Food and Water, with various things, and you want to see things turn out. I think, of course, every quarter that goes, it gives some confidence. The Q4 was a very clean quarter for them. Q1, we had a very good invoicing situation, and that translated in a nice way into the bottom line. We have been, in a sense, good two quarters in a row for different reasons, and that should maybe give some concern for extrapolating too much. Of course, compared to where we come from, I think we start to feel pretty good about where we are on the food earnings. Jan?

Jan Allde
CFO, Alfa Laval

Andreas, we provide now a bridge on the operating income for the divisions, and you see there also there's some tailwind from FX in the quarter.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Absolutely. When you mention the bridge, can I just confirm with you that the currency impact that you provide in the EBIT bridges, that is only the translation impact or the transaction impact that lies within the-- Because when I summarize the currency impact from the three or four divisions, I come to 55, which is in line with the translation impact.

Jan Allde
CFO, Alfa Laval

We made a comment in our quarter report, maybe it looks like we've been hitting it, on page 26 in the report, you actually have an explanation. What we mean by currency effects in those bridges is only the translation effect.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Yeah. Okay. The transaction effect is part of volume or mix or cost or something else?

Jan Allde
CFO, Alfa Laval

Yes. It is difficult to isolate that on that level. That's why on a division level, we measure the translation effect, and it's only on the group level that we look at the whole FX impact.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

I see. The translation impact, and the transaction, that should at least remain as long as the Swedish krona is weak or is as weak as it is. Yeah, I get that you had support from FX as well. On the Energy division, in Q4, you had some productivity issues. Now you're talking about, or you're saying that you have addressed those issues. In the Energy division's EBIT, you do not have any negative impact in this quarter, or do you?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Well, there are a lot of effects every month. I would say that we had a very good progress for various reasons in the sites or the business that was affected by this in Q4. I think our comment is that it was largely resolved.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Okay.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Let's put it like that. It's not a big factor. We will have other problems, I'm sure, in this year, this is not a big factor going into Q2, Q3.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Yeah. Okay, great. On scrubbers, I guess I have to ask a question on scrubbers as well. Could you give us some indication how much of the 2 billion that's related to scrubbers? Was it far above 1 billion or around 1 billion? Just to get a better indication or a better feeling.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

Yeah. It is approximately two-thirds or something like that in the region.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Thank you very much. Yeah. Could I just clarify-

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

No, I think we're going to have to move on now because we can only take one more question. We have an AGM coming up here. We're going to have to run.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Of course.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

I'll leave one more question on the table for somebody else.

Andreas Koski
Analyst, Nordea

Yeah. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question comes from the line of Malte Schulz. Sorry for that. Please go ahead.

Malte Schulz
Analyst, Commerzbank

Hello. Thank you for taking my question. It must have been already addressed, one point I would like a clarification on, particularly as you have already mentioned that the scrubber order now, it will decrease a little bit over the next quarters and normalize. My question a little bit also related to M&A, sorry, organic. What do you think is the next thing you're working on, which then kind of mitigates the little bit lower order levels we will see likely over the next couple of quarters? Is there already a kind of replacement in next third big thing after ballast water and scrubbers?

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

No, I don't think. I have to say, I spent 20 years in the industry. I never seen a situation where we have to turn 15 years of development, launch two businesses, suddenly they were running at SEK 8 billion running rate two years later with a profit. I think this has been a bit exceptional. I'm sure many of you would agree. The reason why, we've been very clear to point out that be aware that we're moving into a retrofit period. There will come a day when the retrofit is over, where part of these elevated installations are completed, and we will be left with a new build and a service business on the environmental applications, which will normalize. For that reason, our growth strategy, including the product launch strategies that you see coming into effect, that is the big thing.

Obviously, as you indicate, we have balance sheet capacity, interest, strategic intent to continue to drive our growth also on an M&A side. I would expect that we will see some progress on that in the coming years, let's see when that happens. Other than that, I think our commitment to drive organic growth remains very strong, the product pipeline launch this year is certainly a platform of envy in the industry, I would say. We are very proud of what we're doing on that.

Malte Schulz
Analyst, Commerzbank

Okay. Thank you.

Tom Erixon
President and CEO, Alfa Laval

All right. With that, I think we are sorry, but we have our shareholders waiting for us at the AGM on a different location. We're going to have to pack up and hopefully have a good AGM meeting following this. Thank you very much for joining us, and we speak next quarter. Thank you.