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Earnings Call: Q3 2017

Nov 9, 2017

Andreas Koch
Communications and IR Director, Attendo

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this conference call, where we will present Attendo's results for the third quarter of 2017. My name is Andreas Koch. I'm head of communication and IR at Attendo. Today's presentation is hosted by Henrik Borelius, Attendo's CEO, and Attendo's acting CFO, Rebecca Eriksson Birk. After the presentation, we will open up for questions. With that, over to you, Henrik.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Thank you, Andreas. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the presentation of Attendo's third quarter results for 2017. I will start by presenting the results in brief and by sharing some business and market highlights. Rebecca Eriksson Birk, our acting CFO, will take you through the numbers in more detail. Next slide, please. The third quarter 2017 was a quarter with stable growth and a record number of openings and beds under construction. The record high number of construction starts lays a solid foundation for future growth. Net sales amounted to SEK 2.7 billion. Growth was 7%, adjusted for currency effects. Operating profits amounted to SEK 337 million, which was SEK 3 million lower than Q3 last year. The EBITDA margin amounted to 12.3%, 0.9 percentage points lower versus last year. Improvements in planning and processes and acquisitions contributed positively to profits.

The result was negatively affected by sharply reduced demand for integration care, as well as by weakened results in home care services, mainly related to Denmark. In addition, the number of newly opened beds in the quarter within our own operations was more than three times as high as Q3 2016 and the highest number ever in Attendo, which had a negative impact on profits. Attendo reported an operating cash flow of SEK 73 million, lower than last year. By the end of the third quarter, Attendo reached more than 10,000 own beds under operations for the first time. At the same time, we also had a record high number of beds under construction amounting to 2,757, all in line with our strategy to grow in own operations. Next slide, please. Let's look at our 3 contract models: own operations, outsourcing, and staffing.

You can see that the quarter reflects continued stable growth in our own operations. Net sales increased by 8%. The increase is explained by new care homes and higher occupancy in units that were under start-up during the corresponding quarter of last year, as well as by acquisitions. In integration care, lower occupancy and discontinuation of units had a negative impact on sales. Attendo opened 21 new own units in the third quarter with a total of around 720 beds, a record high number. One of our key strategic focus areas is to continue to grow our business within own operations. During the third quarter, we started the construction of 28 new units that will add 1,192 new beds in total. The total number of beds under construction reached 2,757 by the end of the quarter.

Attendo has been successful in identifying demand for new beds and rapidly translating this into construction starts. In May, Attendo acquired the leading Finnish care company Mikeva. In late October, Attendo obtained approval from the Finnish Competition and Consumer Authority to complete the acquisition. As of the 1st of November, Mikeva is part of Attendo and consolidated into the financial reports. With the acquisition of Mikeva, Attendo is strengthening the expertise in social psychiatry and widening the presence in care for older people in Northern and Western Finland. Mikeva had sales of EUR 101 million for the full year 2016 and 2,800 beds in operation. Now, turning to the other contract models. Net sales in outsourcing operations increased by 7% as a result of us starting two outsourcing combination contracts earlier this year, Sulkava and Sysmä in Finland.

Looking at the results of tendering processes in Q3, Attendo won contracts totaling SEK 15 million and lost volumes of SEK 25 million. Net sales in the contract model staffing were down 4%, a result of ended contracts and lower sales in existing contracts. Next slide, please. Attendo now has 10,378 own beds in operation, an increase of 15% from the corresponding period 2016. In addition, we will add more than 2,800 beds through the consolidation of Mikeva. The number of beds under construction was 2,757 at the end of the third quarter, which is the highest number achieved so far. All in all, 71 new units were being built at the end of Q3. This is a consequence of our dedicated work to get new projects started, our relations with local authorities, and favorable market conditions.

We expect continued good underlying demand for new capacity. We have a strong pipeline in both Finland and Sweden. This is a solid foundation for future growth, even though this high activity level is not likely to remain over time. On the right-hand side of the slide, you can see photos of some of our own nursing homes that opened in the third quarter of 2017. The picture at the top shows the new nursing home, Attendo Kankaanruusu in Kouvola in Southern Finland. This is a combined nursing home and service house built around the lifestyle concept outdoor and garden. The opening took place in late August. Kouvola's City Council and civil servants were present, and the new nursing home was warmly welcomed to Kouvola region's service production. The interior designs, as well as the nice garden, were admired by the participants.

The highlight of the event was a performance by Kouvola's male singers choir. Next slide, please. Let's turn to the overall market trends. I already commented that Attendo continues to see strong interest in own operations in both Sweden and Finland. There is an underlying need for nursing home beds, the public sector needs new solutions to get access to new capacity and replace outdated facilities. At the same time, we expect that the competition in the market will remain high and that the time taken to fill new homes will increase going forward. The outsourcing market in Sweden remains challenging and the level of competition is high. Tended volumes remained low in the third quarter and were significantly lower than the corresponding period in 2016.

Demand may have been affected by the new permit requirements for private providers, which have created new uncertainties for local authorities wanting to outsource operations. The reduced number of refugees coming to Sweden has decreased the need for integration care services. The Swedish government has announced that it will put forward profit limitation proposals that, if implemented, would limit diversity and reduce quality in healthcare and social care. This in spite of sharp criticism from both authorities and experts. A proposal will be presented in November, which will be submitted to Parliament in March 2018. There is no parliamentary majority behind the proposal. In Finland, higher activity in the outsourcing market can be expected short term due to delays in the SOTE reform. The overall process to implement the SOTE reform in Finland moves forward.

The Finnish government recently proposed some changes in the reform, mainly related to the implementation of freedom of choice in primary care. The government has decided that the first active care choices in primary care will be implemented in 2021. A similar care choice will be held for dental care centers the following year. In other respects, the structure will remain. Citizens will be able to choose their health center. There will be customer vouchers and personal budgets based on individual needs. More details of the reform will be presented during the autumn. The proposals will be submitted to the Committee on the Constitution and to the Parliament for debate and decision in the spring. Attendo remains optimistic about the opportunities that the reform offers for private providers. With that, I hand over to Rebecca for a financial review of the quarter.

Rebecca Eriksson Birk
Acting CFO, Attendo

Thank you, Henrik. Looking at slide number six, we see that the net sales in the quarter were SEK 2.7 billion, up by 7% compared to last year. Adjusted for currency, the growth was 6.6%, and acquisitions contributed with 3.6%. Our growth in the quarter is mainly driven by new units, both in owned and outsourced. Owned units were up 7.9%, and we could see that the net effect from outsourcing units was positive in the quarter. Organic growth accounted for 3% and will gradually increase as we open more units. Acquisitions also had a positive contribution to sales of 3.6%, a result from our increased focus on M&A. The weak development in the integration and home care business had a negative impact on the year-on-year comparison in sales. Our operating profit in the quarter was SEK 337 million, which is SEK 3 million below last year.

Improvements in planning and processes and acquisitions had a positive impact on the profit, but could not fully compensate for the rapidly reduced demand for integration services and the weak result in the home care business, particularly in Denmark. In addition, openings impacted the profit negatively. I will get back to some more details on the profit development on the next slide. Financial net was minus SEK 21 million, and income tax was minus SEK 61 million, which equals a tax rate of 21.5%. Net profit for the quarter was SEK 223 million, which equals an EPS after dilution of SEK 1.39, in line with prior year. Next slide, please. As you have seen, the operating profit for the quarter was down SEK 3 million compared to last year.

We are pleased to see that our dedicated work with improvements in planning and processes, including lower administration costs, continue to contribute positively to the results. The work with better processes and less administration are important for securing future profit growth. We can also see that our M&A strategy contributed well to our profit together with the improved occupancy in the new units that were on the startup in Q3 last year. We have communicated before the demand for integration care has declined during the year. This accelerated during the third quarter, which resulted in a negative impact on profits. The actions to reduce the negative impact from declining demand are to close down units that are no longer needed and convert some of the units into other care services. This will also affect profits negatively during the fourth quarter of 2017.

Home care continued to be challenging, which affected profits negatively during the quarter, especially in our Danish home care unit. We expect this to continue during the fourth quarter as well. Our actions are to close down subscale home care units and to focus on areas with high customer density and healthy conditions. In addition, we also have a large number of openings this quarter that pressures the results. The number of open units that we have had this quarter is on a record level, and we expect the opening rates to remain very high, and hence the profit impact will continue into the next quarter and the first half of 2018. Long term, this is positive for our profit growth, but short term it has a negative impact. Going into Q4, you should also bear in mind the consolidation of Mikeva from the 1st of November.

Mikeva will increase our sales, but the profit impact in the fourth quarter is close to zero due to the initial restructuring cost. For the fourth quarter, you should also remember the calendar effect year-over-year. Q4 2017 has more paid holidays than Q4 2016, which will have a negative impact compared to the strong comparison quarter in 2016. We can go to the next slide, please. A few comments on the cash flow in the quarter. Cash flow continues to be fairly stable. Operating profit in Q3 amounted to SEK 337 million. The change in working capital, pay tax, and other non-cash items had a negative impact of SEK -99 million in the quarter. This is a normal seasonality in Attendo, mainly related to the payments of personal related liabilities in the summer and early autumn.

Net investment in CapEx amounted to SEK -65 million, mainly related to fixed assets in the many openings of new owned nursing homes. This takes us down to an operating cash flow in the quarter of SEK 73 million. Interest payments amounted to SEK 8 million. Attendo strategy is to be an asset light company and not to own real estate. However, to support our strategy with focus on owned nursing homes, we continue to do short term investments in real estate projects to facilitate the construction start. This quarter, we have had an outflow of cash of SEK 300 million. All of these building projects will be sold after completion, but as the number of construction projects increases, this number is also expected to continue to increase in the coming quarters. Cash out related to acquisitions amounted to SEK 95 million in the quarter and from other financing activities to SEK -14 million.

This takes us down to a total cash flow of SEK -344 million for the quarter. Net debt amounted to SEK 3.3 billion, which equals the net debt to EBITDA of 2.7 in line with last year. With the acquisition of Mikeva, net debt to EBITDA will increase in the coming quarter. With that, I hand back to Henrik.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Thank you, Rebecca. Next slide, please. Outdoor activities are an important part of everyday life at Attendo. In Q2 and Q3, most nursing home units in Attendo arranged the Attendo Fitness Walk, Attendo Loka. During the third quarter, Attendo and the Norwegian Outdoor Council arranged a sleepout activity in which several older people at Attendo Romsås and Attendo Rødtvet Sykehjem in Oslo camped out in tents. Visit Norway even made a short film about the activity. Dementia remains a common reason to why older people need to move to a nursing home. Attendo is a leading provider in dementia care, and we are continuously working to improve our services. In the third quarter, we decided that all Attendo's own homes in Sweden will be connected to the Swedish Register for behavioral and psychological symptoms in dementia.

This working method ensures that we work with the best available measures to improve the quality of life for people with dementia. Another measure intended to improve the quality of life is the introduction of new digital aids. A number of nursing homes in Finland have started to use a new large format tablet in order for customers to get easier access to the internet and to improve communication with relatives. This has been very popular, and Yle and other Finnish media have reported about the success. During the quarter, Attendo Örkelljunga LSS in the south of Sweden expanded its bed and breakfast with a hostelry. The aim is to provide people with disabilities with meaningful daytime activities that provides social contact and also satisfied restaurant guests. With that, I would like to summarize the quarter.

Attendo showed stable growth, a record number of openings, and a record number of construction starts. As indicated before, margins in the third quarter were negatively impacted by lower performance in integration care and home care, something that spills over into Q4. In addition, the high number of openings impacted earnings in the third quarter. We will continue to increase the number of openings, something that short term has a negative impact on profitability. At the same time, this is the foundation for our future growth. By establishing more new units than any other provider of care services, Attendo is not only supporting society's growing needs for care, we are also giving individuals access to modern, personalized care in comfortable homes and creating long-term value for our investors. Thank you for your attention. Over to you, Andreas.

Andreas Koch
Communications and IR Director, Attendo

Thank you, Henrik. We will now open up for questions. Please state one question at a time. Operator, please go ahead.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do wish to ask a question, please press zero one on your telephone keypad now. If you want to withdraw the question again, you can do so by pressing zero two to cancel. Once again, that's zero one to register for a question. We have our first question from the line of Hans Boström from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Good morning. My question is, could you specify what the effect of the extra Christmas holiday would be in Q4? Add to that in the same vein is really what type of additional costs are we looking at in Q4 that could be seen as extraordinary, such as closing down integration units, home care, and Mikeva integration costs? Thank you.

Rebecca Eriksson Birk
Acting CFO, Attendo

Yes. If we start with the paid holidays, it will be some effect from having more paid holidays in the coming quarter. We can't specify the exact amount. It will have some effect, but not to a big extent. Looking at the impact from the integration and home care and Mikeva, we expect this to continue into the fourth quarter. That is correct. Currently we expect the integration and home care to be approximately on the same level as we have seen during this quarter. When it comes to Mikeva, I mentioned that it will contribute with some profits, but it's only consolidated for two months. The restructuring cost will take this down to approximately zero. Some additional to remember going into Q4 is of course the many startups that we are mentioning.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

I must have missed what the actual specified cost was for home care and integration in Q3, as you referenced that doesn't for Q4.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, we have not specified that, but we have said that it will continue into Q4.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

We, in other words, have no idea how much of your costs would be of a non-recurring nature for Q4, because that's the conclusion of your guidance here.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

We have not specified that, no.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Kristofer Liljeberg from Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Analyst, Carnegie

Yeah. Thank you. Follow up on this. Could you maybe, in another way, rank the negative impacts when it comes to new openings, lower migration volumes, and the home care operations in Denmark?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Sure. The one that has had the biggest impact is the reduced demand for integration care. After that it's home care, after that it's own units under startup.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Analyst, Carnegie

Do you think that the negative impact from new units will be bigger than what we saw in the third quarter and coming quarters? If you could just maybe say something how the new homes are filling up.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Yes, we expect the impact from new openings to be larger in the coming quarters. We see that the new units are filling up well. We expect longer term, we think it's going to take longer to fill new units, but we haven't seen it yet. It's more that the amount of openings is larger than we've seen before than that the nature of the openings has changed.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Did you say the negative impact will be larger?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Yes.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Analyst, Carnegie

Good. Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Lars Erikson from Danske Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Lars Erikson
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yeah. Thanks. Can I just ask about your comments on integration solutions and why this is mentioned now? I guess this was a strong effect towards September, October, and then with the delayed impact on care providers such as you. Is that something that has happened now in the third quarter? Has that been an earlier effect also in the first and second quarter?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, we have mentioned it in previous quarters as well. Of course, I think it's quite natural as the market has declined, so have we. In a sense, I think it's been positive that our strong relationship with the payers has meant that we've been able to maintain these units for a fairly long time during the year. We saw a negative effect in the earlier quarters as we communicated. Now in the third quarter, the headwind became stronger, so it accelerated.

Lars Erikson
Analyst, Danske Bank

Is it possible to say anything about the year-over-year effect if you look at, say, third quarter earnings last year or what the comparison is?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think the main message is that it is larger in Q3 than it has been previous quarters.

Lars Erikson
Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay.

Operator

Question comes from the line of Christian Renholdt from Smallcap Danmark. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Christian Renholdt
Analyst, Smallcap Danmark

Yes, good morning. I have two questions, actually. First of all, this Mikeva acquisition, it will of course be margin dilutive expect in 2018, but in the longer perspective, what should we think about that? Will it dilute your margins, or can you get it back to normal Attendo margins?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

We have said that there are a number of things. The margins are, as you say, correctly, they are lower in Mikeva right now. One should remember that there are a number of units under ramp up and under start up. We see a strong potential in Mikeva, both in terms of synergies, planning and processes, and improving occupancy. We have said that within three years, this company should have a post-multiple that is below Attendo's. We're saying that within three years it should have the same margin as Attendo has overall.

Christian Renholdt
Analyst, Smallcap Danmark

Okay. Good. I said I'm from Denmark. We have heard from in the television, we have seen some not very positive stories about Attendo's performance in Denmark. Also you have said here that you have problems with the earnings. Do you have any thoughts about leaving Denmark at all, or are you here for the long term?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think the way we look at Denmark, we are long term in everything we do, but I think the home care market in Denmark is challenging. That is something we have to review continuously. As you know, there's been a number of bankruptcies in the Danish home care market. It's been very tough.

Large and smaller companies have had tough times, and there's been a fairly unique, I would say, political situation in Denmark where all the Danish political parties in parliament have unified around changing the home care market. The way we address it from Attendo's side is that we review our units, and we exit areas where we have too low density of customers, and also we exit areas where there are unfavorable conditions.

Christian Renholdt
Analyst, Smallcap Danmark

You're not leaving Denmark?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, we want to continue in Denmark, but the home care market in Denmark is challenging.

Christian Renholdt
Analyst, Smallcap Danmark

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from the line of Hans Boström from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Given that you mentioned the integration business being the biggest impact, could you give us a sense of what type of revenues you're running at on a quarterly basis and where you were, let's say, a year ago?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think what we've said about our integration care business throughout this, that it's a very small part of Attendo overall. It's a part of our care business, and it's a small part of Attendo overall. I think it's more longer term. This is not a big business in Attendo, but it had a major impact in this quarter.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

If it's such a small part, why does it have such a big impact as being the biggest impact?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think it's because the market has basically disappeared.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. We're talking about the SEK 100 million business that is zero, or what?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, I think the market has disappeared, so therefore it has had a large impact on this specific business.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

If I may, just on your home care business, you obviously talk about Denmark being a challenging market, you have made the way you've taken over the Humana business in Sweden, you have also made an additional few acquisitions, smaller ones in Sweden. How do you view this? Obviously, we're talking about adverse margins, and I presume this is because of high levels of competition as always in home care, but you are investing more. How should we view your strategy in home care?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

It's a good question. We're very selective in our approach in home care. There are a lot of players leaving the market in Sweden, and when we look there, we're very selective in our growth. When we get proposals on acquisitions, we're looking at very low multiples and even taking over companies for free. We only do it in areas where we can increase customer density, and areas where we see favorable conditions. We definitely exit areas where we don't see that.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

You're a selective strategy. Okay.

Operator

Okay. Thank you, Hans. Let's take the next question in line. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to register for a question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad now. We have a follow-up question from the line of Kristofer Liljeberg from Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Analyst, Carnegie

Yeah. Thank you. I'm a bit interested to hear your view about potential for starting new building projects. I'm surprised to see that the number of new beds under construction continues up every quarter, and at the same time, you say it's not a sustainable level. You also said now that the pipeline looks pretty healthy. For how long do you think you could continue this strong type of growth?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think we're seeing a very strong underlying need in the market right now, and we are now capitalizing on very long-term work that we've done to establish strong relationships with payers across Sweden and Finland, and driving this type of market. We see a very healthy growth opportunity right now. I think what we're trying to say is that we don't expect this type of level that we are at now to remain for a very long time. In the medium term, we are around this level, but longer term, we will not be.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Edward Donahue from One Investments. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Good morning. A few questions if I may. Can you split the lower margins between the impact of newly opened units on the startup on one hand, versus the issues in demand for the integration services in Danish home care on the other? That's the first one, please.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think the short answer to that is that we have presented them in order of magnitude. The biggest impact is integration solutions. After that, home care, primarily Denmark, and after that, own unit openings.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Right. Are you able or willing to give a bit more granularity on that? As it seems to be a bit of a focus on the call.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

I think this is the level we're discussing it at.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Okay. Can you give some view on how significant the issues are on integration services in Danish home care will be on EBIT on a 12-month forward basis?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

We see that integration solutions and home care profit impact, we expect that to continue into Q4, but we don't see a strong impact of that in the quarters beyond that. However, own unit openings will continue to impact earnings going into 2018.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Right. Okay. Just on the step-up in the units under construction. Does this relate to the integration of Mikeva? Can you give some background to the pipeline of new developments units going forward?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, the increase in units under construction that we see in the third quarter is not related to Mikeva, because Mikeva was consolidated on November 1st, that's a separate thing. When we think about the pipeline going forward, we have a very solid approach to this, which is the same we've used all the time, which is basically to thoroughly assess supply-demand locally. It's a very local business. The nature of these projects are very local. Of course, to have a strong dialogue with local payers to ensure that there is an interest for our units. That's basically the work that is giving this result. It's the result of many years of hard work that is now paying off.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Okay. If I just take that comment, I go back to slide five, just on your comments with regard to the political uncertainties, does that actually have any drag? It wouldn't look like it, but do you actually see any drag with regard to pipeline commitments?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Not specifically. This is a more long-term thing where I think it's rather like this, that we see an even stronger demand in Finland, and that is driven by stronger demographics in Finland and also a larger need to replace old facilities. We have a stronger pipeline in Finland right now. That will continue to be the case for a while due to demographics and replacement needs. Further down the road, Sweden will catch up due to demographics and an increased need. It's more driven by that. One must remember, it's very much driven by local situations. Our ability to find land that is attractive, our ability to find real estate investors is fairly easy, but also to get attractive terms for the new houses, and of course, to convince local payers that they're going to work with private companies.

Because still in Sweden and Finland, this is primarily a local authority monopoly in most places. In most places, there is no private provision whatsoever.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Right. Within that context, you're not seeing a changing of terms or expectations on supplier side in any way?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No. What we've said, no, it's not a change in terms. It's more that we expect going forward that the competition is doing this as well. That will impact startup times over time. Also the fact that we're going into areas where the payers are less used to working with private companies. It can take longer to get the units full from that perspective. It's more an opening up the market phenomenon and increased competition phenomenon rather than politics or payer behavior.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Right. Just last question, just on the M&A front. Is there anything that you're actively looking at or are you concentrating on the organic plus the integration of Mikeva?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

We see M&A as an integrated part of our strategy, we continue to work with that in parallel.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Do you see the opportunities on that in existing markets or new markets still looking attractive?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

Yes, both. There is a large unconsolidated market in the Nordics, and then we see attractions in other markets as well.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

To rank those, which other markets would you look at?

Andreas Koch
Communications and IR Director, Attendo

Let's take the follow-up question from other in line.

Edward Donahue
Analyst, One Investments

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from the line of Hans Boström from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hello again. Well, I'm not sure there's all that much more to say. It relates to the last question relating to your non-Nordic acquisition strategy. You gave us helpfully an update in Q2. If you wouldn't mind for giving us your thoughts right now. Thank you.

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

No, of course. I think expanding into other markets is an attractive opportunity. We see lots of growth in the Nordics. Since the private share is so small and Attendo's market share of the total market is still very small, this is primarily a government monopoly in most places. Of course, we see attractions outside. As we communicated before, our focus in other markets is own nursing homes for old people. That's a big and healthy market, and there are attractions all across Europe. It's all about finding the right target with the right quality of its assets, the right performance, and the right type of management. There are many markets that are attractive.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Specifically, and this will be my last question, the very large asset that is for sale, ostensibly according to the press in Germany, is a 10,000 plus types of beds. Are those types of acquisitions you would review and consider realistic for Attendo, or are they simply too large?

Henrik Borelius
CEO, Attendo

We look at all assets. As we have communicated before, I think our sweet spot is more something around the Mikeva size, two to 3,000 beds.

Hans Boström
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Thank you.

Andreas Koch
Communications and IR Director, Attendo

Thank you. Any more questions?

Operator

If there are any further questions, please press 01 on your telephone keypad now. As it appears that there are no further questions at the moment, I'll hand back to the speakers for closing comments.

Andreas Koch
Communications and IR Director, Attendo

Well, thank you all for participation. If you have any follow-up questions, feel free to call me during the late or later. We're looking forward to hear you at the year-end conference call. Thank you.

Operator

This now concludes our conference call. Thank you all very much for attending. You may now disconnect your line.