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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Oct 27, 2023

Operator

Welcome to the Balder Q3 report 2023. For the first part of the conference call, the participants will be in listen-only mode. During the questions and answer session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing star five on their telephone keypad. Now, I will hand the conference over to the speakers, CEO Erik Selin, and CFO Ewa Wassberg. Please go ahead.

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Good morning, and welcome to Balder's presentation of the year-end report for 2022. Here from us today is me, Ewa Wassberg, CFO at Balder, and Erik Selin. After the presentation, there will be a Q&A session.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes. Thanks, Ewa. So we present the year-end figures, but first we have some short information about Balder as a company. We are a listed real estate company since 2005. We have properties predominantly in the Nordic countries, and we have roughly half residential and half commercial properties. At year-end, the property value was SEK 217 billion, 96% occupancy rate. On the longer leases, the biggest leases, leases are on average 10 years for our largest single leases. We have a rating at S&P, that is a triple B flat. Net debt to total assets, 47.9%. We have cash, SEK 25 billion, cash and facilities at year-end. And NAV per share stands at 92, compared to 84 last year.

The average NAV growth since inception, 2005, has been 29% per year. Looking at the Q4 figures, rental income was up 16% compared to last year. Profit from property management decreased slightly, or 5%. The reason behind that decrease was in the financial cost, that we had an extraordinary financial income last year. So the underlying earnings were slightly better, but quarter on quarter, we have a decrease. Looking at the full year, rental income is up 17%, and profit from property management is up 11%. Looking a bit at the current status and looking forward, the earnings capacity stands at 5.39 per share at year-end, and that is 4% better than one year ago.

So this means that we have been able to offset increased interest rate cost with more income from the underlying business. Net debt to assets, 47.9%, and we had a like-for-like rental growth of 3.9. Looking a bit more at the portfolio, the characteristics is that it's very diversified, both in property type and in geography, but there is a concentration to the larger cities and capitals in the Nordic regions. So we have Helsinki, Gothenburg, Stockholm, and Copenhagen dominating. And in property categories, resi is by far the biggest, and then we have office, some retail, logistics, and also other properties that can be mixed properties and hotels, for example.

We also invest in development of properties in the Nordic countries, and we have basically two categories of the development. One is where we build and we keep it, mostly residentials, but can also be pre-let commercial properties. We have also then another business line, predominantly in Sweden, but some cases in Finland and Denmark as well, where we build resi properties and sell to consumer. This shows up a bit differently in the P&L. The properties we keep will be unrealized value changes as we go along with the projects. The properties that we sell or the apartments that we sell, then the result is booked after completion. The result from properties that we sell or apartment that we sell will be more irregular if we look at it quarter to quarter.

But of course, the long-term trend can be interesting to look at, but quarterly figures will be irregular in that segment. But the most important thing has always been to, over time, increase the earning, the cash flow. We are a long-term owner, and so profit from property management is the single most important thing that we focus on. And since inceptions, we have had an upward trend there, over the years. Hasn't been the same increase every year, obviously, so it's been a bit irregular there as well. But the long-term trend has been good over time, but things can happen in different years that sort of affect this trend a lot. So in 2008, we had a small decrease...

You might think it was the financial crisis, but it actually wasn't, because we sold a lot of properties in 2007. But then it took off again. You can also see here on this slide six, they were flattish between 2019 and 2020, and that was the pandemic that made things slow down a bit. It was still an increase, but not that fast. Last year, as I said before, was 11%. On the next page, you can see from the beginning, the portfolio value has been increasing since we started in 2005, and at the same time, we have lowered the debt to asset. So the trend is down there also on a longer time horizon.

Occupancy has been very stable, and of course, we have a very spread portfolio of different areas, cities, asset classes, so it makes it very sticky. So my forecast is that there will never be any big changes up or down the occupancy rate. So as you can see, it's been 96% for many years in a row now, and it was 96% this year-end as well. And then we have what we call earnings capacity, and this is sort of how the situation is every quarter, and it's updated every quarter in the quarterly reports. So there is the how it looks on that particular quarter end. So here you see then, for example, the rental income on a yearly basis is SEK 11.6 billion at December 31.

And then what's new for this year is that we also make a forecast for the profit from property management for the full year 2023. We never did that before, but we felt it could have a value this year, since there seems to be a lot of uncertainty from an operational standpoint. So our forecast is that the profit from property management in 2023 will be SEK 6.2 billion. And as you can see, the last figure here, 31 December, is SEK 6-20 billion, so it's more or less the same. And what we then see in this year is that we will have some more rental income from projects that will be completed, and we'll most likely have some more interest costs.

Net financial will be slightly more than SEK 2.9 billion, but the rental income will also be slightly more than SEK 11.6 billion. This is our forecast as of today. Now I hand over to Ewa again.

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Yes, over to ESG. Here you can see our sustainability work, and, sustainability is a prioritized issue for Balder and an integrated part of our strategy and operation. On this slide, you can see our framework for the sustainability, which is based on the international goals of Agenda 2030, and also commitment that the company strives to achieve. The sustainability work focuses on the issues where the company has the greatest opportunity to influence, and at the same time, manage the risk affecting real estate company linked to various sustainability issues. Examples of sustainability issues are: reduced emissions of greenhouse gases, environmentally certified properties, sustainability, in social in our property areas, business ethics, together with a good working environment for our employees.

Yes, and on the next slide, you can see a little bit what we have been focused on during this year, and also a glance on the focuses for 2023. So 2022 is the first year in which we must report the proportion of green activities in the business, the focus on our existing properties. We have recruited to strengthen the team around social sustainability and area development. We've also carried out a group-wide climate calculation and completed screening of Scope 3. We have started the transition conversion to a fossil-free vehicle fleet in the Swedish management organization, as well as initiatives undertaken for sustainable travel to and from our properties. For example, 120 charging points in Sweden. And when we look ahead of 2023, we will focus on update of Balder Green framework.

We will compile climate accounts for Scope 1, 2, and 3, which will also form the baseline for our science-based target. We will carry out screening of Scope 3, that is indirect emissions, which includes our subsidiaries at group level. We will also use their climate calculations to set the climate roadmap and submit our climate targets for validation at the Science Based Targets initiative. We will continue work with climate risk analysis and action plans as part of the EU Taxonomy, of course. As many new requirements will affect sustainability reporting, we are making a review to meet this as well. Over to financing.

Having a balance sheet that satisfies the criteria for an investment grade is very important to us, and the board of directors have decided to introduce an additional financing goal regarding net debt to EBITDA, with a target of maximum 11 times over a period of time. We will achieve this goal through a combination of reduced net debt and increased income from our existing property portfolio and the completion of the project. We have this to manage our balance sheets and maturity structure. During the fourth quarter, we have, for example, entered five new term loans to a value of just over SEK 6.1 billion. All of the banks that we have had contact with have been very positive and helpful in this. As you can see in the graph, we are very well-equipped for the coming year.

You can also see some other things that we have been performing during the year. The direct share issue, of course, of SEK 1.8 billion to Amundi. We have conducted a number of tender offerings maturing bonds 2023 of EUR 2.5 billion and EUR 500 million, resulting in buybacks of EUR 1.6 billion and EUR 223 million. We have also called the hybrid with first call date March 2023, amounting to EUR 320 million. As of year-end, the available liquidity, including confirmed loan commitments, was SEK 26 billion, which is 92% of our future maturities of interest-bearing liabilities within 18 months and 80% of within 24 months. 70% of our, of the loans is hedged, while interest rate changes have a limited impact on the cost of borrowing.

All financial targets are met. It is not so that we have introduced a new financial target of the net debt to EBITDA of 11x over time, and that is, of course, not met at day one. You can also see in the graph, the portfolio value and the net debt to total assets, as well as secured debt to total assets over time. At the next slide, you can see an overview of the debt maturity for bank, bonds, and commercial paper. For 2023, the combined debt amounts to approximately SEK 16 billion, and the bonds maturing in 2023 will be repaid after Q2. As you have seen, we have today announced a tender offer for all bonds maturing in 2024, amounting to SEK 4.5 billion.

On the lower end of the slide, you can see our financial targets. Equity as set ratio of 40% in line with our targets. Net debt to total assets, 47.9%, target of 50, and ICR of 4.7, where we have a target at 2, and also the new target, net debt to EBITDA of 13.4, with a long-term target, target of 11 times.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes, looking at the share, as you all know, share prices can be very volatile, have been absolutely so for the last year or two or three, not at least in real estate stocks. The long-term trend is, anyhow, that over a long time period, most likely the share price will follow their NAV. But you can have these short times where we have substantial premiums or substantial discounts. And, as investors, you all know that this happen every now and then, and, year-end, there is a discount of almost 50%, if you look at the share price compared to NAV.

As the last page, this is also in more detail, the PNL and the balance sheet, where you can see all the specifics and also where you can see how the shareholder structure is, by year-end. And with that, we thank you all for listening in.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, please dial star five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial star five again on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Jan Ihrfelt from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Morning, Kepler Cheuvreux. I actually have a couple of questions. First one is in your earnings capacity, you raised the contribution from associates by SEK 100 million. Could you just explain a little bit about the reasons behind it?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, the reasons behind this, we always try to think what's reasonable and, so this is small adjustments, nothing special reason, actually.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

and could you comment on which company that contributes with the upgrade or?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, we summarize all of them. I don't actually know the, all the parts there on, but,

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

As I said, it's a very small adjustment.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah. And then, question on the bond market. You want to be in the bond market, and could you just comment upon what kind of spreads you would like to see to enter that market, on a broader view?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

We basically think that we compare with banking market, and it could make sense to have some premium, or, I mean, pay a slightly higher interest rate in the bond market. But if it's much higher, we think it's better to have bank financing, so a bit depending on how the bank market is. But let's say right now, we would like a price maybe maximum 200 or preferably a bit lower, and we're not there right now. So that's why we're focusing on bank financing for the time being. But long term, we think it's interesting, and we want to be there long term, but it's more of a timing issue, and we think it will be better further on.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Value changes. You took down your property values by 0.8%, and were there any large differentiations between different segments behind that?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

In general, low-yielding residential in Sweden is more under pressure, value-wise, than other segments, I would say. Otherwise, there are not any big changes this quarter, but of course, if every quarter is like this, then over time it will be a big change. Also interesting to see, but we will follow this. For example, Copenhagen, I mean, we own more or less only resi and its owner's apartment, and the prices there are actually increasing quite fast. We haven't done any changes, but it's an interesting observation that it's, I think year-over-year, it's 8%+.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. And question on Entra. We saw that Castellum took down the value of Entra, but you didn't, as far as I could see. Could you comment upon your need to write it down?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

We have it booked, in line or slightly lower than Entra's NAV. So the long-term value, we agree with Entra, is, NAV. I don't know how Castellum had it booked before. They probably had it booked over NAV. That is my guess. So most likely we have the same value now. I haven't looked at Castellum, but I would guess so.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

This is because it's a long-term holding. You have the long-term value in the books, so you don't take mark-to-market up or down, unless you think it's a permanent loss. So that's the accounting principles, you know?

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. And a final one from my side, regarding the project, Karlatornet. Could you just explain how much, in percentage-wise it's sold, and are there any risk that you will lose money on that project?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, we don't think we will lose money. I think it's extremely small likelihood because it takes that... You know, they make very big losses because it's like a waterfall structure, so we have a fixed result on that one. But anyhow, it's sold about 80% of the apartments right now, and for 2023, it's very few left, and then there are apartments to sell next year. But I actually feel less and less worried about it because it's so close to be finished now. So I think if there was a risk, it was maybe one or two years ago because the construction could have been more expensive and other things could have happened, but we are approaching the finish line.

Jan Ihrfelt
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Markus Henriksson, from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Thank you very much. Good morning, both. First, a question on the condominium projects. If we look at the different projects, some have very good sales ratio, while others, I've noted, for example, Korallen, Frölunda Park, Fabrique 46, on Kungsholmen, have quite a lot of apartments still for sale. Could you give us a bit of an overall update on the strategy going forward? We have seen JM lowering its prices, for example, in order to safeguard cash flow.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes, if you take Frölunda, that was originally supposed to be a rental project, but then we changed our mind and make it into a condominium to sell. So that's why it's a bit late, but we will see how it goes soon. It will be sold in parts, you know? So, worst case, we can always go back and rent it out anyway, but we think it will work out as a project to sell instead. And as you said, in Stockholm, it's been a slow market, so we will see what we do there. But the remaining project for 2023 is sold, so that is stable, and then there's only those two left, 2024. So.

I think it actually went quite well overall, and it's very, very small parts for us, you know, it will not move the needle in any direction to projects.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Fair enough. Thank you. Then, did you get any electricity support here in Q through Q3? And if so, how large was the effect on NOI positively affected?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

I think it's very small because we don't get that much, and part of it goes to the tenants, you know, because we have in the contract that you sort of pay for it, and if you get money back, we also adjust in that way. So I don't remember the figure, but do you know, Ewa, if I-

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

No, I don't have that figure-

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

It's very small.

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Off my head.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, negligible.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

All right. Then, did you have any positive contribution from bond or hybrid bond repurchases here in Q3? And if so, what was the figure?

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Sorry.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

If it was a positive?

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Did you have any positive contribution in net interest from repurchased bond or hybrid bonds in Q3?

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Yes, there was a little effect there.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Do you have the figure?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, I don't exactly. I think we have some plus, some minuses, so, so it's a smaller plus overall in the financial net, but not, not any big numbers.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

All right. Then a bit of a follow-up to Jan's question before on Karlatornet. First, you have the priority dividend of SEK 600 million, but you have also signed to acquire around 1,400 apartments and I think it's 10,000 or 12,000 square meters of commercial assets, and you also have an option to acquire the hotel and offices in Karlatornet.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Could you give us a bit of a more brief update on, on potential capital in and outflow?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, we have a call option, so we can buy, but we don't have to buy. So it's, if we want to, we can buy. We don't have to buy, you know, the commercial premises, so it's voluntary for us. And we haven't decided yet, by the way. And the other projects in Karlatornet that is in a JV, we have them on hold, because we think we want a stronger resi market before we do anything there. So they are on hold-

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Perfect.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

For the time being.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Thank you for that. Last question, a bit on Entra. If we look at your rating, you're well within your threshold of the investment grade rating.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Is that something you think is the way forward also for Entra, being a main shareholder in that company?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

I think it's actually better you ask Entra directly to have a more precise answer than me answering for them.

Markus Henriksson
Equity Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

All right. Thank you. Those were my questions.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Niraj Kumar from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Neeraj Kumar
Credit Analyst, Barclays

Morning, everyone. I have just a quick question on your rating from S&P. I see the rating was put on negative outlook, like almost a year ago. Given that you have recently even bought hybrids, is it fair to assume that you feel comfortable that the negative outlook will be resolved without any negative implications or any color around that?

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

That's our view, yes.

Neeraj Kumar
Credit Analyst, Barclays

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

Ewa Wassberg
CFO, Balder

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Andres Toome from Green Street. Please go ahead.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Hi, good morning. I just wanted to inquire a little bit more on your reported valuations. Firstly, just looking at it, the change hasn't been that material over the last sort of almost a year. So, when looking at your peer group, you know, valuation declines are somewhere in the 10%+ range for the most part, and then also the data that comes from, you know, some of these companies that do appraisals from you suggest that yields are out quite a bit in your markets. So can you help us square that against just your own reported valuation that just doesn't seem to move at all?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

I mean, this is a lot of different parts, you know, so I don't know exactly the peer group. And I mean, I think it's always different, different companies, and maybe you should have it over a longer time period. But, I mean, for example, you have the Danish market, where prices actually are +8% year-on-year. So there's some big differences within the portfolio, if you look at owner's apartments, you know. So, it's a lot of different sums, you know, and, and I think it's, it will never happen that all the companies have the same upwritings or downwritings. I mean, there are always big differences, if you look at short time periods.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

So are you saying that in Denmark, your valuation is anchored to owner-occupiers, apartments, not, in-?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Investment-

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, no.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Product, institutional product?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

No, no, I'm not saying that, 'cause we own only owner's apartments, and looking at that market, the prices are actually up... But we don't, we don't take that in. But it's an interesting observation, because if we want to, we can still sell it at the owner's apartment. I mean, so there's a lot of different-

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Sure, but you operate them as a rental apartment, right?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes, but it is owner's apartment, but we operate them as rentals.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

And then, I guess, other parts of Nordics, I mean, in Helsinki, there are some comparables or pending comps where sort of yields are in the high 4%, in Sweden, obviously as well. Just looking again on some of these companies that do your appraisals, they've moved out yields quite a lot. So are these in conjunction, these are not in conjunction, I guess, with your own reported yields then? And just wondering, why is that?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

We have the same external valuation in our company as in, for example, Kojamo. So it's the same firm, the same persons.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Mm. But Kojamo have marked down their values by about 10%, right?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yes, but they also marked it up a lot more before, so we still have lower valuation compared to them, if you look at the numbers.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Okay. So my next question, maybe coming back to Jan's question again on the earnings capacity. Just trying to understand, I suppose, how is the profit from property management for the associated companies actually going up in your earnings capacity, while your own profit from property management estimate in the earnings capacity is coming down. So what's different in your own company structure versus the associated companies, that there is a diverging trend there?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

It's a group of companies, and this is very small changes, you know, so this is sort of our view when we look at it. There's very small changes.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Okay, and my last question is just trying to understand also a bit more on the financing side. How are debt financing spreads or credit spreads for, in the banking market, how have they evolved in sort of last 3-6 months as you are looking to increase your lending also towards the banking market?

Jonas Eriksson
Head of Investor Relations, Balder

I would say it hasn't happened that much actually for the last 3-6 months. It's pretty steady.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Okay. Can you, can you give a bit of color insofar as where the margin stand for different property sectors at the moment?

Jonas Eriksson
Head of Investor Relations, Balder

It's actually a little bit different between both banks and portfolios. They look at it in a little bit different ways, I would say. And I mean, average margin for the bank loans that we make now are about 1.6.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yeah, it depends also if it's a resi, commercial, LTV, how long time the loan, you know, so there's a lot of different parameters there, but-

Jonas Eriksson
Head of Investor Relations, Balder

Yeah, and from bank to bank.

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yeah. But I think that's a maybe good guess for the average.

Jonas Eriksson
Head of Investor Relations, Balder

Yeah.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Okay, and the last question, just around, the development organization. Obviously, you've cut down quite a bit your project development ambitions as well, and-

-seeing elsewhere, how developers are cutting headcount quite aggressively. Just wondering how much potential is there for Balder to reduce the size of your development organization, and how much it could help on the cost side?

Erik Selin
CEO, Balder

Yeah, that will be adjusted as we go along, you know. So if it's decreasing, we decrease it, and it's been decreasing a bit, already. But if... I mean, we adjust, we adjust regularly if, if it's need to adjust, you know.

Andres Toome
Senior Analyst, Green Street

Okay. That's it from my side. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial star five on your telephone keypad. There are no more questions at this time, so I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Jonas Eriksson
Head of Investor Relations, Balder

Thank you all for listening in, and, have a nice day. Bye.

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