Elekta AB (publ) (STO:EKTA.B)
Sweden flag Sweden · Delayed Price · Currency is SEK
55.75
+0.75 (1.36%)
May 5, 2026, 3:17 PM CET
← View all transcripts

Q4 21/22

May 25, 2022

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Good morning, everyone, and warm welcome to the presentation of Elekta's fourth quarter and our fiscal year 2021/2022. My name is Cecilia Ketels, and I'm Head of Investor Relations at Elekta. With me here in Stockholm, I have Gustaf Salford, Elekta's President and CEO, and our CFO, Tobias Hägglöv, who will be presenting the results. Today's agenda starts off with Gustaf presenting some highlights of our development. Then Tobias will give you details on the financials, and the presentation ends with a view on Elekta's outlook. After the presentation, there will, as usual, be time for your questions. Before we start, I want to remind you that some of the information discussed on this call contains forward-looking statements, and these can include projections regarding revenue, operating result, cash flow, as well as products and product development.

These statements involve risk and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in this statement. With that, I hand over to you, Gustaf.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Cecilia, and hello, everyone. Thanks for joining the call here on our results on Q4 and also the full year. I would like to start with ACCESS 2025, our strategy, and how we delivered on it in the full year but also in Q4. Over the last year, we have truly accelerated our innovation investments to support the long-term growth and margin expansion of Elekta. It has resulted in many product launches of versatile solutions across our portfolio. We continue to build strong customer partnerships, and in Q4, we signed a ten-year agreement with the leading Netherlands Cancer Institute, NKI-AVL. The agreement is focused on co-creation, adaptive, and personalized workflows and treatment delivery solutions.

Also, in the UK, the NHS ordered multiple licenses for Elekta's ProKnow, a software solution which centralized and analyzes radiotherapy data in a secure, scalable platform accessible to the NHS radiation oncology facilities throughout England. We also drove partner integration across the cancer care ecosystem with IBA to optimize quality assurance, QA solutions, and with GE HealthCare to enable us to provide hospitals with a comprehensive offering across imaging and treatment for cancer patients requiring radiotherapy. Kaiku Health, our leading cancer care digital therapeutics platform, and Roche, a leading global healthcare company, entered a strategic partnership in digital patient monitoring and management. We are also driving adoption across the globe, and we are well on track towards our ambition of giving 300 million people access to better cancer care before 2024-2025. This year, we installed Linacs in underserved markets that gave access to more than 60 million people.

We also expanded into Indonesia, Turkey, and the Philippines with direct operations. We have truly fantastic people at Elekta, and I'm so proud of how Elekta's employees and partners have dealt with all the headwinds in the year, and I'm very pleased to see that our employee satisfaction and engagement also increased. We have driven several Resilience and Excellence initiatives across the value chain, which has enabled us to successfully install and serve our solutions, driving order and revenue growth also during restrictions and lockdowns. It is vital for Elekta that we deliver our solutions and services in a sustainable way. In order to track performance of our sustainability initiatives, we have developed our science-based targets that are now ready for submission.

If we now turn to our order and revenue situation and our focus areas, you can see that we're growing orders with 2% in the quarter and 4% for the year. If you exclude the largest deal ever for Elekta last year, the underlying growth rate would be 8% for the years on orders. Our order backlog increased almost SEK 40 billion. During the quarter, the geopolitical situation changed with the war in Ukraine as well as COVID-related lockdowns in China. Our installations came in better than planned, and revenue grew by 5% in the quarter and 4% for the year.

To continue this development and drive profitable growth going forward, we are focusing on to mitigate the COVID and the supply chain disturbances, but also to address inflation by higher pricing and cost reduction activities from our Resilience and Excellence Program, and driving cost measures and productivity initiatives across our processes. If we now take the regional perspective and turn to the order situation by region, you can see that the Americas declined with 6% in the quarter, U.S. having challenging comps. Canada continued to show good order growth for the fourth consecutive quarter, and South America was impacted by exchange rates and financing. EMEA had a very strong growth of 16%. We received the first order from the region on Spanish hospitals that was linked to the large public tender, and the Middle East and Africa continued to grow strongly.

The success of Elekta's geographic expansion strategy continued as Egypt and Turkey remained the main growth drivers for the region. Order intake in APAC decreased by 5%, driven by weaker development in some countries in East Asia and in India. In China, Elekta continued its market-leading position, but order intake was somewhat softer than last year due to an overall slower market. The strong order growth in Australia continued, and Philippines, where Elekta opened our direct operations, also showed good growth in the quarter. You can find some exciting orders in the bottom here of the slide. If you now take a look at our portfolio of solutions and products, you can see that Elekta has truly the most comprehensive portfolio in the radiotherapy industry. If you look across our business line, you'll find oncology informatics, Linac, Brachy, and neuro solutions.

We have also made these recent launches in all business lines with MOSAIQ, Elekta Harmony, Elekta Studio, and now most recently, Elekta Esprit. During the year, we have accelerated our innovation and our gross R&D as a percentage of sales has increased but will stabilize and reduce over time. The focus has been, and will continue to be, on the investments in our family of Linacs, the Unity platform, and software solutions across the portfolio and the business lines. Now I have to say a couple of words on our recent launch of Elekta Esprit that we did at the conference ESTRO here just a couple of weeks ago. It is in the same year that Elekta is turning 50 year.

This launch is very important for us because it's the latest and most advanced radiosurgery solution, and it enables more personalized radiosurgery with sub-millimeter accuracy and treatment planning in less than 60 seconds. It is more patient-friendly treatments, and the degree of precision is able to protect the mind and the person and is truly enabling a higher quality of life. I'm also proud to say that we actually received our first order now for Elekta Esprit from Sheffield in the U.K. Now to an update on the momentum around Unity. Unity, as you know, is a groundbreaking cancer treatment solution, giving clinicians the ability to visualize tumors during the treatment. The system is the world's first and only high-field MR-Linac.

During ESTRO, more than 70 clinical abstracts were published relating to Unity, and I would like to highlight three out of these. Firstly, the latest update from the MOMENTUM study reported outcomes on over 40 different disease sites in 1,800 patients. One paper showed that the patients receiving full online adaptive personalized treatment, there was no severe toxicity that was recorded, and that's a very strong result. Secondly, an abstract from Odense in Denmark reported on the feasibility of treating pancreatic cancer patients with a dose that is nearly double what is typically used for this treatment-resistant tumor type. There were no severe side effects in the patients treated on Elekta Unity. We take this as more evidence that indeed seeing what you treat matters.

Thirdly, a team from Princess Margaret Cancer Centre in Toronto demonstrated how MR-guided adaptation resulted in more favorable protection in a prostate treatment. There were no acute toxicity with MR guidance. These reassuring results give our user community the hope that MR guidance will enable them to push hypofractionation even further in the care of prostate cancer, making treatments even more cost-effective than they already are. Our MR-Linac Consortium, which will have their semi-annual meeting here in June, have 16 clinical trials ongoing, and the first ongoing trials will be completed here in 2023. I must also say that we reached a key milestone when we presented our comprehensive motion management at ESTRO. This is the first non-invasive true 3D target tracking on the market.

It is also important to stress that we track the tumor in three planes, not only vertical, but also horizontal and in depth. How is the continued rollout of Unity growing across the globe? Here I'm proud to announce that in total, more than 120 MR-Linacs have been ordered since the launch. Despite the challenging circumstances of having global installation teams during the pandemic, we have managed to install another 17 Unity systems since our Capital Markets Day in June last year. We now have more than 60 systems installed or under installation with relatively even distribution among our three geographic areas, as you see here on the map on the slide. With that update, I would like to hand it over to Tobias.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you, Gustav, and good morning, everyone. I will start with the Q4 financials. With a strong finish of the quarter, revenues grew by 5% despite the challenging market conditions. Americas and APAC had strong growth of 11% and 8% respectively. Growth in Europe was in line with previous year, adversely impacted by the war in Ukraine. Our solutions operations grew by 6% with good growth in our LINAC and Brachy businesses. Gross margin in the quarter was 37%, resulting in a sequential improvement from the third quarter while down year-over-year. I will come back to this gross margin development in more detail. Our operating margin declined by 150 basis points while earnings per share increased, driven by higher EBIT and a lower finance net. Let's turn to the slide and look into our gross margin development.

As I just mentioned, our gross margin fell by 150 basis points year-over-year. Higher revenues from both our solutions and service operations contributed positively by 200 basis points. FX, mainly driven by the strengthening of the U.S. dollar, had a positive effect of 60 basis points. Higher prices of components and cost inflation had an adverse impact of 300 basis points. Finally, the relatively higher sales of solutions versus service and an adverse product mix had an unfavorable impact of 110 basis points. Now, let's turn to a slide and talk about our expenses in the fourth quarter. Selling expenses increased by 15% in the fourth quarter, partly as a result of more customer-related activities. In addition, we have also made a provision of 80 million SEK related to the war in Ukraine.

Our administrative expenses declined sequentially as well as year-over-year as a result of increased cost control. Net R&D decreased. Capitalization was higher since more projects have moved into capitalization phases while amortization declined year-over-year, mainly as a result of the fully amortized Unity software. All in all, expenses grew by 1% year-over-year in constant exchange rates. Let's look into our R&D development in more detail. In line with our strategy and our plan, we have accelerated our investments in innovations. For those of you that participated at the ASTRO Conference, you could recognize the launch of the Elekta Esprit. You could also recognize our emphasis to further strengthen our product portfolio. Gross R&D as a percentage of sales amounted to 14% by the end of this year.

As you notice from the slide presented by Gustaf, this will, as percentage of sales, first stabilize and then come down in coming years. Now, let's look into the full year financials. For the full year, our revenues grew by 4%. All regions grew, and sales of solutions, as well as services, increased year-over-year. Our gross margin has been adversely impacted by inflation and higher costs within supply chain, logistics, and service. This was partly offset by high net sales and a slightly negative FX impact. All in all, our gross margin amounted to 37.4% for the full year. OpEx increased by 3% in constant exchange rates. Our EBIT margin came in at 11.3%, with a net currency impact of close to zero when comparing to last year.

Net financial items improved, mainly driven by a lower gross debt, and the income tax rate decreased in the year to 21%. All the items just mentioned led to an earnings per share of 3 SEK. Let's turn a slide. Our net working capital continued to follow a normal seasonal pattern. Net working capital decreased to -6% in a quarter, resulting in a similar level as Q4 last year. Due to current market conditions in the freight market, we continue to hold higher inventories with early shipments to mitigate the longer lead times and secure time plans for installations. The mitigation of extended supply chain lead times have also led to higher customer advances and accounts payable. Let's turn a slide. Cash flow from operating activities amounted to SEK 1.9 billion. EBITDA for the full year was SEK 2.7 billion.

Taxes paid of approximately SEK 450 million was broadly in line with previous year. Net interest was substantially lower than last year, and the cash flow from operating activities amounted to SEK 1.9 billion, resulting in operational cash conversion of 69% for the full year. Finally, continuous investments amounted to SEK 1.4 billion, mainly driven by investments in our innovation pipeline and a strengthening of our product offering. All in all, our cash flow after continuous investment was SEK 450 million. Now, let's turn a slide and look into the dividend proposal. The board of directors has proposed a dividend on 2.4 SEK per share.

This to be paid out in two installments. This is enabled by our strong balance sheet. Over to you, Gustaf.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Tobias. I would just like to say a couple of words on our outlook for Q1 for the next fiscal year. What we see currently is, of course, this uncertain macroeconomic environment with the continued supply chain challenges, and it's impacting installations and costs and margins. We also see a very strong long-term market trend to support growth and investment in high-end radiotherapy equipment and margin expansion. I would like to reiterate our midterm outlook until 2024, 2025, and that's really about the more than 7% net sales CAGR, the margin of EBIT percentage expansion over the period. As you saw, a capital allocation of more than 50% of annual net profit in dividend. To summarize the last quarter, Q4, we saw this strong finish of Q4, and we also saw improved margins versus Q3.

We had growing orders and revenue in the quarter, and we reported out more than 120 Unity orders and more than 60 Unity installations. We are delivering on ACCESS 2025 by forming new partnerships both with vendors and with customers, and we're also well on track with a targeted installed base in underserved markets. We're also shown our comprehensive portfolio, and now also including Elekta Esprit and our focus on accelerated innovations going forward. Just to sum up, I would just like to say a big, big thank you to all our employees, customers, and partners for a fantastic job and efforts during the year. Thank you.

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Thank you, Gustaf. For the Q&A session, I would like to ask the operator to open the lines for questions. Please, operator, over to you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, it's zero one on your telephone keypad to register. Once again, it's zero one on your telephone keypad to register for any questions. Our first question comes from the line of Patrick Wood from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Patrick Wood
Analyst, Bank of America

Perfect. Thank you very much for taking them. I'll keep it to two, please. I guess the first one, I'm curious for the order book and the backlog that you've got, best guess on your end, how many of those do you think are new sockets versus replacement systems? I'm trying to get a sense of how the overall installed base is likely to grow over the next few years. So just curious on, you know, rough sense of how much is replacement versus new installs. And then the second one, you know, obviously supply chain a little bit tricky, access a bit tough, but obviously in EMEA, there's quite a few contracts over the, let's call it, the next 12 to 18 months to satisfy.

How should we think about, you know, the ability to actually install and fulfill those contracts, whether it's Spain or Italy or, you know, potentially as well Poland and Croatia, over the next, let's call it, whatever, year or two? How quickly should we think you guys can get those installations done? Thanks.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Patrick. Two good questions. I must say I don't have the exact numbers on the ratio and the order backlog between kind of new systems versus replacement. Of course, a lot of the growth comes from new markets. There will be relatively high proportion in kind of greenfield sites and so on. That's also a very strong side of Elekta that we have a high share of those. However, you see the replacement cycles as well in the U.S., in Europe, and also in China now with the aging of their installed base. We see a continuous growth on that to increase the installed base in those markets to take care of the bigger cancer backlogs as well.

I think we need to get back and take a look at the exact numbers there. Maybe we can come back here on the call as well. On the other question, on the install base, then especially on the larger tenders, for example, in Europe, we see a big need. We see that they want quite recent installations. We foresee that we will continue to install and get that growth from those larger tenders here in next years, one, two years, I would say, maybe third year as well. It's quite recent installation dates.

We see that in other parts of the world as well, because of the cancer backlogs, again, that you need more Linacs around the world to treat more cancer patients that has been growing now and finally now diagnosed after COVID. Of course, we have the supply chain challenges, we have the logistics, the component shortages and so on. I think we've shown in Q4 we've dealt with that well. Overall, issues are not gone away and will not do so here in Q1 and either, as I mentioned. I think if you take a little bit longer time perspective, I expect the logistics situation to stabilize, and I also expect the component shortages situation to stabilize as well. It's quite difficult at this point in time to say exactly when.

It would well.

Patrick Wood
Analyst, Bank of America

Super. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Erik Cassel from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Erik Cassel
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Hi, good morning. I'll limit myself to two questions this morning. Last quarter's profit warning was partly on missed installations of Unity and Gamma Knife. Now you said that you had a strong finish to the quarter. I mean, is there a component of supportive revenue recognition in that Linacs from last quarter came in early Q4, and then also that you had some luck in installations that could have possibly been Q1 installations, but that now happen in end of Q4 instead? Basically what I'm asking is there a component of supportive timings to the Q4 results?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

No, I wouldn't say that to a large extent. You always have a couple of spillovers, but I think we have that every quarter. We had a bit more, I would say last quarter. Now we were able to deliver those in this quarter. I don't think. I don't see any special impact from that in the fourth quarter.

Erik Cassel
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Okay. Thank you. And then on R&D capitalization, I mean that keeps rising up 20% Q-on-Q, basically. But if we look at the slide from a CMD and also in this presentation, I mean, it seems like this quarter should be the peak. I mean, first off, is that correct? Tobias talked about it stabilizing at a higher level. And then how should we think about that delta going into Q1, and when could we see capitalization start to declining? Thanks.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you, Erik Cassel. Yeah, I can take that question. I think what you would see and what we have said is that our gross R&D as a percentage of sales will stabilize. That is to be seen here into next year and then the coming years here go down. That is also related to the sales development. That is what we see. A stabilizing effect here, and I would maybe not look specifically into one single quarter, rather the trend here into next year.

Erik Cassel
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Should we interpret that as a run rate of about SEK 350 million per quarter, next fiscal year, and then it starts to decline?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Around that, to start with, and in absolute terms here for the first quarter, it might go up a little bit.

Erik Cassel
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Okay. Thank you very much. I'll jump back in the queue.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kristofer Liljeberg from Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Yeah. Hi. You're spending quite a lot of time talking about, you know, R&D initiatives, et cetera. I'm a bit surprised you're not talking more about what you're doing here, trying to improve margins. I have a few questions related to that. First on the mid-term guidance, what's the starting point when you say that you will grow EBIT expansion as a percentage of sales over time?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes. I'm happy to talk about that, and I think it's a very important question, Kristofer Liljeberg, because we have seen a dramatic pressure on gross margin from primarily external factors throughout the year, especially in the later quarters. We have a lot of initiatives now under Resilience and Excellence Program to address, I mean, the production and logistic chains of Elekta to make them more efficient and cost effective. Looking at our manufacturing footprint as well between U.K. Crawley factory and Beijing factory. Look at how we service our installed base, that I think is a very important area to find more efficiencies in in order to support. All of those factors would support gross margin expansion. If you then look at the rest of our expenses, if we start with R&D, I think.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Could we maybe?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

If you start then with the gross margin.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Because this is something you have talked about for a number of years. I understand there's a lot of external factors, but you know, what's required here for the gross margin to start improve? What you're doing, is that just enough to compensate for even higher inflation? What's needed for gross margin to start improve? When is it reasonable to assume that's happening?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

If we take your first question, I mean, we set off in this new outlook, as we know, midterm outlook at the Capital Markets Day, and that was also the baseline, those margin levels where we started there from 2021. That's the baseline for our outlook until 2024-2025. A lot of additional costs came in throughout the year, as we all know, with inflation, with the component shortages, with supply chain costs and all the more buildup of working capital relating to that as well. What we're doing now is addressing that item by item to come back to the similar gross margin levels that we had in the past. If you remember the Capital Markets Day, and you look at the historical past, we have been at around 41% historically.

Of course, that's the ambition to get back to those levels, as we also said in Capital Markets Day. Then we should have leverage on the rest of the cost items if it's R&D, marketing, sales, or admin cost in order to show an improvement higher than 2021 on our EBIT line.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Also here, Tobias Hägglöv here, maybe adding here to what Gustaf Salford just said. I mean, yes, copy that. I mean, we will work very hard on this and address it. I mean, a combination of both, sales and costs and also the quality of sales, both when we look at the sales contribution as such, but also specifically on pricing initiatives and also work through the cost base. That is hard work, and yes, let's recognize what Gustaf Salford said. We have had cost shocks into our P&L in this current year, and that is for us to work through going forward.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay. About what, okay, when should we start? I understand it's difficult to know about where inflation will end, but you know, the initiatives you're doing now, when will we start to see that having a positive effect on gross margin?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

We see headwinds in Q1, as we mentioned, more continued inflation, continued potential lockdowns. It hasn't happened yet for Elekta, but we don't foresee it. Of course, there's risks always. And continued component shortages due to that. I think what we are looking at and we're working a lot with is of course the cost impact in gross margin. That's logistics cost to quite a large extent, and what it costs us to serve the installed base. I think throughout next year, you will see that improvement, Kristofer, but we see risks in the Q1.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay. On operating cost, are you doing any more significant cost cutting, you know, reducing number of employees or anything to trying to offset the general inflation?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

We're targeting our overall cost, as I mentioned, with sales and marketing administration as well, so below the gross margin line. There we need to work more efficiently with the resources we have, but also work with digitalization, centralization, and shared service centers as we've done a lot in the past. Also new ways of working, for example, remotely diagnosing, say, the installed base and digitalizing our processes when it comes to sales as well and administration. We still have a lot of things to address, and as we're doing right now, and we have this Resilience and Excellence Program addressing those initiatives. That should result in lower costs going forward.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Well, you think it's reasonable to assume that you would be able to keep operating cost, you know, flat if you adjust for the, or if you look at selling and amortization combined, would it be possible to keep that flat to try to offset the pressure you have on the gross margin?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I think we want to recover the gross margin. It's more the trajectory when it will happen. Of course, it has an impact on inflation and so on. If we look at the rest of our cost areas like sales and marketing and admin, you should see a good kind of leverage on that, based on the revenue growth we're driving on top line throughout next year, but also the years ahead until 2024, 2025, that's our outlook year.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Of course, in that, I mean, that we target to that the cost growth is slower than the sales growth and resulting in this targeted margin expansion.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Kristofer.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rickard Anderkrans from Handelsbanken. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Rickard Anderkrans
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Right. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. A bit more on the outlook here for Q1. You mentioned unchanged macro environment and continued pressures. Should we expect, you know, similar impact dynamics that you highlighted here in the quarter in terms of gross margin pressure as we saw here in Q4? Should we expect any improvements here excluding FX in Q1, or can you give us any more flavor on thinking here?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I think now we've seen May as well, a bit of it, and it's not that things has kind of improved. If you look at the macroeconomic environment, if you look at maybe a bit of improvement, at least from Elekta's point of view in China, I would say. If you take the global situation, it's still a lot under pressure. I don't see any big step change under Q1 when it comes to improvement of those factors. Elekta internally is doing a lot of things to secure the installations we have for the quarter to address our expenses, to protect margins and so on. That's what we're working to offset some of those negative effects from the external factors.

No significant change in this, in the environment is what we see currently here in May.

Rickard Anderkrans
Analyst, Handelsbanken

All right. Great. Thank you. Yeah, a little bit more. You mentioned in the report that the plant in Beijing remained operational in the quarter. Can you quantify the impact from contracting demand in China in the quarter? Can you give us any more flavor on what you're hearing and seeing so far in China?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. Of course. First of all, I'd like to say I'm proud that we have been able to continue to produce both in Crawley, in Veenendaal, in Sweden and in China throughout the full COVID pandemic the last couple of years. If we take a deep dive into China right now, I'm also happy that we can continue to both develop our products but also of course produce and ship from China into China, but also to other parts of the world. We have continued to do that during Q4. As we wrote in the report, if you look at the order environment in China during our Q4, you will see a bit of a slower market due to all the lockdowns out there.

Actually our installation have been quite good in the quarter as well compared to the situation we see out in the different provinces and so on. It's of course not my role to predict how the development in China will go. At least when I talk to our teams locally, we've seen a bit of improvement over here in the last couple of weeks and months, I would say. That's the feedback I get from the ground. Yes.

Rickard Anderkrans
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Perfect. Thank you. I'll get back into the queue. Thanks for taking my questions.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Thank you. Our 4next question comes from the line of Victor Pehrsso n from Nordea. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Victor Pehrsson
Senior Financial Advisor, Nordea

Thank you very much for taking the questions. I'll start on the R&D side again, and regarding the current spend, it is certainly looking, as you say, to stay elevated throughout the coming fiscal year, which would perhaps be even higher than you guided for one year ago. If so, what has driven this incremental increase compared to your initial plan, you would say? Please, if you could, elaborate on the net R&D effect as well, since you have a quite clear view on the growth side, but chose not to illustrate that in your presentation, how the net impact will affect the P&L over the coming quarters. Would certainly be interesting to hear from your side.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

No, thank you, Victor. I will start with kind of innovation investments compared to plan. If we start at one year ago at the Capital Markets Day when we launched this accelerated innovation plan, you can say you've seen the curve of gross R&D going up, stabilizing, and then going down. Compared to that plan, I should say that the revenue has not fully been there compared to what we guided for more than 77% throughout the period on a CAGR basis, not year-on-year guidance, but still throughout the period. I think that's one of the reasons why the gross R&D as a percentage of sales is a bit higher compared to that initial plan throughout in June last year. It is important for Elekta.

With the strong balance sheet we have to continue our innovation investments quarter by quarter, year by year to protect long-term growth, when it comes to our LINAC solutions, Unity, and our software platform. It's long-term projects. It takes years to develop some of these products. So I think that's also important to say. We continue with that innovation. If we then look at the stabilization and decline in net, or relative decline compared to revenue in the next year, yes, that's what we expect from the year. On the net side, I leave that to you, Tobias. Yeah, sure.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

I think what you will see here is for the amortization, it will be flat here into next fiscal year, while we will see a bit of increase on the capitalization side. Net impact here on the R&D into our P&L will be fairly limited.

Victor Pehrsson
Senior Financial Advisor, Nordea

To me, at least how I interpreted it's like, I mean, the balance then will continue to expand even for the coming fiscal year. That is not part of, I mean, what we talked about one year ago. That's, you know, my key reason for asking this question is that this net balance over your results will remain at these levels for next fiscal year as well. Is that the way we should interpret it?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

I think what I said here you might have in absolute terms a slight increase into the first quarter. What we say that we see leveling out here and a stabilizing impact of the R&D.

That means that you won't see any sort of organic growth on the R&D expenses line, for the latter parts of this year?

That is what we have communicated and what we stick to. Yes.

Victor Pehrsson
Senior Financial Advisor, Nordea

Okay. Thanks. Secondly, on the backlog and the situation primarily related to solutions mix that you currently have. Since a lot of recent order growth has stemmed from China, if we look one year back, which has yet to have Harmony China market cleared, it would be interesting to hear if you are at all worried about the coming quarters, not only that the current order backlog might be mispriced to current inflationary environment, but also that new solution sales could come with a negative mix impact from older Linac systems. What's your thoughts around that?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Specific on China, Victor, or globally?

Victor Pehrsson
Senior Financial Advisor, Nordea

I mean, impacting full group, of course. Yeah.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Okay. If we start with China. China often has quite not so long time in between order to revenue. That kind of order backlog conversion into revenue is quite quick, I would say, compared to some other markets. That's a positive. I think we continue to have a healthy backlog in China. We continue to install well also during the lockdowns, et cetera. Then I think when the situation improves in China and we get even better access to the customers, yes, we can drive that revenue growth. For overall market conditions, I think all of us and the market is also waiting for the coming then kind of healthcare investment plans for the coming five-year period. I haven't so far seen that.

I think that will also be an important driver for Chinese orders, but also for installations in the coming years to come. I think that's something we all maybe-

Victor Pehrsson
Senior Financial Advisor, Nordea

Hey, Gustaf.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah.

May I just rephrase it then instead? Are you sort of seeing a mix within solutions, negatively tilted towards sales of, I mean, the Synergy system, for example, or comparing that to Harmony?

No.

No.

We haven't, as you said, we don't have Harmony cleared in China either, so we haven't seen that effect yet.

I might just squeeze in a final one. Appreciate the Unity data points given here today. What about the investments into more local installation teams? How is that progressing? How much of an investment will that be for you, and what are we seeing right now? Effectively, you know, what type of costs will you have to take initially to improve that internal capacity?

Yeah. That is improved already. I mean, we invested in some of the teams that has been difficult to deal with when it comes to local installations in China and, say, in some other parts of the world throughout COVID. I think we are well invested in our order fulfillment and service operations to take on more volumes of Unity installations. We've done that, as we talked about, over the years here, throughout the last year, setting it up for at least now then 24 units, and then more. They can take on more volumes than that. I think we're well invested in that area.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Adlington from JP Morgan. Please go ahead, your line is open.

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. I might trouble you with three, actually. Firstly, I just wondered how big that Spanish order was, and if it's to that European growth in the quarter delivery. Do you feel like that the margin on that business was gonna be accretive or dilutive to your margins? Just in terms of the reversal of the provision on the purchase that you recognized in the quarter, the contingent consideration has gone down. I just wondered what hurdles did that acquisition not meet in terms of paying that contingent consideration. I'll just leave it there for now, actually.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

There was two questions. Did I miss the third question?

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Sorry.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Sorry, breaking up a bit, David, so I have a bit of a problem hearing you. It was on the Spanish order, how big and margin levels and then the provision.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

I think it was only two, right?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Can you hear me?

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Perfect.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Okay. If we start with the Spanish order, it was the first. We didn't discuss a specific number, but it was a significant order, and it was the first part of that larger Spanish tender. It's not the full amount, but we haven't disclosed any specific numbers there. On the margin levels, yes, it's primarily Linac bundle in, so I think overall maybe a bit lower than average Elekta margins, but good Linac margins, I would say. On the provision side, yes, I think during the last two years, it's been a challenging environment and we had a kind of PPA that was an aggressive plan to achieve. When we saw that we didn't achieve that plan, we released that provision.

It's more under the market conditions, but we're still happy about the development and the future potential of that acquisition.

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Maybe just to follow up into the slightly bigger picture one. Really expecting guidance today, but do you expect to initiate giving the market guidance at some point? Because you should have pretty decent visibility on revenues given your order backlog.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. Not for this year. I think what you see us talking about here is not a guidance for next year. We have a lot of uncertainty as we're guiding or discussing for the outlook for Q1, but we maintain our mid-term guidance. You shouldn't expect any new guidance for the fiscal year of 2022-2023. We will give the highlights for the coming quarter in all our quarter reports throughout the year.

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Maybe just to be cheeky and get a fourth one in. Just in terms of Q1, in terms of how we should be thinking about modeling it, should we be thinking about gross margin being down, you potentially making a loss in the first-

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

You broke up there a bit. How should we think about the gross margins in Q1? I think the question was. If I take a step back and look at what we are describing on the outlook side, we're saying that all the factors impacting gross margins are will continue in the first quarter.

David Adlington
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, exactly.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I think that's the transparency we can give today in the challenging market environments we have around us when it comes to inflation, supply chains and logistics costs.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Oliver Reinberg from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Oh, yeah. Thanks so much for taking my question. The first one is trying to get a bit of a better feeling how you think about the full year. I mean, I fully appreciate that you don't guide, but maybe we can talk about a bit of the kind of tail and headwinds. If I start on sales, you obviously, you have rather an undemanding comp from the last two years, a very strong order book, and obviously demand doesn't seem to be the big issue, while installations and supply chain has been part of a challenge last year before this.

Is it at least fair to assume that the kind of sales goals in line with your mid-term guidance is something we can expect for, or what are the kind of key incremental headwinds that we should bear in mind?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

No, Oliver, of course, a great question. I think if I start on a positive note in the drivers and factors, we have a SEK 40 billion backlog to deliver from. I think there's a huge demand, as I mentioned, for installations in the coming quarter and year. I've talked in the last years about this, what I call the extended U-recovery. I think Elekta didn't drop that much on revenue quarter-on-quarter last year, but it's kind of a extended U-recovery. Now we get to installation situation, we have a big order backlog, we have a big demand, but now it's more to get the machines out there and installed at the customer side. Then part of it is customer readiness.

They need to have the bunkers and the preparation work done for us to install. Part of it is on our side, how to install, product manage, and get the machines and Linacs out to the customers. I think that will improve throughout the year. Maybe not in Q1, but throughout the year. Then I think also it's difficult to predict, but at least the high logistics cost has stabilized on high levels. At some point in time, that will go down, and then we'll get actually tailwind on our gross margins from that effect that's kind of hurting us right now. That could happen throughout this year, but it's very difficult to say exactly when.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, that means there's no reason to not assume at least a kind of sales, 7% sales growth for the full year, correct?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

No, of course, that's absolutely ambitious with the backlog we have and to drive revenue growth for sure for the full year.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

On the margin, I mean, obviously when you get a kind of a better top line, you're working on efficiencies. You just talked about that logistics costs in the full year may at least probably come down year-over-year. Apparently, as we just learned, amortization is not a challenge for this year. Does that mean that it's reasonable to also assume a kind of EBIT margin improvement year-over-year, or should we be a bit more careful simply in terms of the overall inflation pressure and the supply chain pressure may also get a bit worse?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Hmm.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, very good question. Obviously we do not guide specifically here as we have mentioned. A few points on that. I mean, Gustaf was talking about the U-form recovery, and I think that is also here looking at the margin development ahead of us. I think rather to look this on a sort of sequential development. Obviously we don't have a crystal ball that can evaluate all the macroeconomic factors here impacting us. To your point here, if we are targeting sales growth, we see challenging condition here in Q1. Obviously that the logistics that Gustaf mentioned here starts to flatten out, that is positive for Elekta. Yes, we are driving towards margin expansions.

As we said here, looking into the first quarter, we do not see substantial changes in the market conditions.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Perfect. The last question, if I may. Just on pricing, can you just update us on your pricing initiatives, just on solutions?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Hmm.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Can you talk about in your order book, is there any ability for any kind of price adjustment clauses or, can you ramp up the order book probably to Harmony Pro to get some kind of a price offset there?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. That's been, I would say, the focus area for many of our discussions over the last quarter, of course, because of inflation. We have done quite a lot of studies, talking to customers, doing surveys, and the customers' willingness to accept higher prices is quite good actually. They also have an understanding that the macroeconomic environments are changing. For new orders, as we placed here in Q4 and we continue going forward, yes, we have price increases. They're kind of implemented. The key thing is, of course, to bring value to the customer. With the new launches, as I mentioned, with Harmony, with Elekta Studio, with Elekta Esprit, with new software solutions, that's the best opportunity to raise prices because you bring value to the customer.

We talked about the new orders that would translate into revenue, often with around a year's lag order to revenue. If you look back in the backlog of Elekta, you had SEK 40 billion, around 50-50, I would say. It was, I think, 55% solutions and 45% service. Out of those 45% service, you have CPI or inflation clauses that you will then increase linked to index year over year. For the rest of the 95% in the backlog, that's more difficult because that's often public tenders and we don't have any. That's one price that you negotiated at that point in time, and we need to deliver on it. Of course, we look into opportunities. Can we replace Synergy with the Harmony? Can we do some more after sales?

Are there other products we can offer to those customers? It is according to contract. New sales, price up. Service part of backlog, price according to CPI clauses. Lots of effort in the rest of the backlog to see price or margin improvement factors, but that's more difficult, I would say. That's just to give you some of the dynamics there, Oliver.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thanks so much. That's helpful. If I can squeeze in the last one, I mean, a big discussion point these days is also personnel cost inflation. I think that was so far not part of your discussion. Is that something you're seeing or are concerned about?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Personnel cost inflation, you say, salary increases or?

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Y-yeah.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. Yes, there is some salary increases, or inflation impacting salary increases, as well. I think it's very different country by country, I must say. If you say the U.S., you'll absolutely find it less so in Europe because inflation is more driven from energy prices, et cetera. If you're going to China and APAC, it's not that much, inflation pressure on salaries, what we experience at least. You need to take a geographic perspective there. We try to offset that by being more efficient, doing more activities in low cost countries and shared service centers. That's our plan to offset that effect with more efficiencies and lower cost country operations.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Super. Thanks so much for the color.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Julien Dormois from Exane. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Julien Dormois
Senior Analyst, Exane

Yes. Good morning, Gustaf. Good morning, Tobias. Thanks for taking my question. I'm left with one, which is just whether you could provide some more color on your order book in the U.S. specifically. I understand that you were facing tough comps from last year, but we've obviously had some mixed comments from various capital equipment companies in the quarter as to the attitude of U.S. hospitals in the context of rising bond yields and wage inflation. Just curious what sort of discussions you've had in the U.S. specifically in the past few months, please.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Great question. If you take the U.S. situation and probably you've seen a lot of other companies, as you say, discussing it, maybe more, a bit more impacted by interest rates, more private initiatives, you can say, and to some extent then salary inflation as well impacting the operations of the clinics. At the same time, they need to do automation of their processes and we can help with part of that, making the clinics more efficient with software solutions or workflow initiatives. As I often say, U.S. for Elekta is not so much a market growth market, but the market share gain market. With Unity, with new solutions, with partnerships, I think we have a great opportunity to take share in the U.S. going forward. I think that's how I see it.

Of course, some of the private initiatives is then impacted by the factors you mentioned with inflation and interest rates.

Julien Dormois
Senior Analyst, Exane

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up question from Kristofer Liljeberg. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Yeah. Just a quick one on Unity installations. I think you said a total of 61, if I do the math correctly. How many of those are currently being installed? Is it possible to give a figure for that? I guess you haven't been able to finalize around 20 installations this last fiscal year.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Sorry, just a clarification, Kris, what do you mean by the last comment, the 20?

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

if you have done 61 installations-

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yep

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

now, you must have done around 20 this last fiscal year, if I'm not totally wrong here.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

I think.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

To your question.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Quite a high figure.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. To your question, I think the delta is, if you compare it to the material we presented of the last year's update on installations, is now 17s that are under installation or installed throughout the year, so to say. I think that's important to say. Out of those, I think it's a couple that are under installation. We started installation of those machines. Of course, we wanted that to be a higher number, but-

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

You have been able to do around 15 or so?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

17.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Is the ambition now to be at 24 going forward?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Absolutely. I think we said that during the year. It's been a more challenging product together with the Gamma Knives to install throughout the COVID-impacted years. However, I mean, you always want more, but we're quite pleased with the 17. The ambition is to quickly come up to the 24 and higher in the coming years here, of course. That's how we set up the supply chain.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

What about if you look at the demand situation for new orders? My impression is that you're starting to see more demand from smaller clinics also. Do you expect order momentum to pick up there now after the pandemic for Unity?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes. I mean, at the recent ASTRO conference, there was a huge interest for Unity. We had great traffic. We had customers we hadn't seen before and having discussions with them around Unity. The type of discussions we now have is if you're a comprehensive cancer center, you should have a Unity. You would have other Linacs as well, but that would be part of the bundles. I think that's great discussions for us to have. We see that opportunity with MR-Linac, but of course, especially with Unity, that you're becoming more kind of a standard of care going forward. We see big opportunities there, not just on the academic KOL sites, but also more regional or provincial hospitals throughout the world.

I think we are at the very important part of our journey with Unity. We also see the clinical evidence coming and you see a bigger ramp-up of it and a huge interest from the customer community around it.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Kristofer.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Yes. We have reached the hour. If you have further questions that we didn't have time to address in this call, please don't hesitate and reach out to us and we take those questions separately. With that, I thank you for participating today and wish you a further good day. Goodbye.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Powered by