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Q1 23/24

Aug 24, 2023

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Good morning, everyone, and warm welcome to the First Quarter of Elekta's Fiscal Year 2023-2024. My name is Cecilia Ketels, and I'm Head of Investor Relations at Elekta. And with me here in Stockholm, I have Gustaf Salford,; Elekta's President and CEO, and our CFO; Tobias Hägglöv, who will be presenting the results. And today's agenda starts off with Gustaf presenting some highlights of the development, and then Tobias will give you details on the financials, and the presentations ends with Gustaf's view on Elekta's outlook. And after the presentation, there will, as usual, be time for your questions. Before we start, I want to remind you that some of the information discussed in this call contains forward-looking statements. This can include projections regarding revenue, operating result, cash flow, as well as product and product developments.

These statements involve risk and uncertainty that may cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in the statements. With that said, I hand over to you, Gustaf.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Cecilia, and good morning, everyone. I would like to kick off with our strategy, Access 2025, and in the quarter, we continued the improving trend from the previous quarters, and we began our fiscal year with strong overall performance. We are delivering on our Access 2025 strategy and its four key pillars. Since launching the strategy in June 2021, it has guided us successfully through the first two years of the period. We have launched products across our portfolio, and we are now bringing online adaptive technology across our solutions and also increasing value to patients and outcomes. We have also entered into new markets and formed new partnerships. And a key focus area in the strategy is, of course, to drive shareholder value by delivering strong net sales growth and EBIT margin expansion, something we're doing in Q1.

In June, we provided an update on the strategy at the Capital Markets Day in Crawley. We're now entering the second half of Access 2025 with good momentum to focus on value creation for patients, customers, and our shareholders. The key priorities are really to get back to strong revenue growth and margin expansion, like in Q1, continue product launches to accelerate order growth. We should leverage our market leader product portfolio, and we'll have Unity in the lead. Services should be growing faster than installed base growth. We will continue our expansion of partnerships, and we will gradually increase the leverage of Elekta One, our new software suite. Elekta's model, as you know, is really focused on radiotherapy, and we have some really key differentiators, and that is our versatile and open solutions, a true culture of innovation, and a commitment to partnerships.

But if you now turn to the first quarter of our Fiscal Year 2023-2024 and order development, we saw that in the quarter, we gained market shares in a bit slower market. In total, order intake declined by 7% in fixed currency. However, we saw large variations in the region. The moderate growth in the Americas was explained by weaker development in the U.S. and Canada, but very good growth in Latin America, led by Mexico. And it's also important to note that within EMEA, both Europe and the Middle East and Africa, orders declined, but it is important that this order intake was heavily impacted by tough comparables in Europe due to last year's large tenders in Southern Europe. The order intake in APAC was strong, with double-digit growth rates driven by strong momentum in China, India, and Thailand.

In total, we expect that the overall demand to improve in the coming quarters, already starting in Q2, in orders. If we then move to revenue, we saw that Q1 was the third consecutive quarter with strong revenue growth. We grew by 8% in the quarter, and that's higher than the market. Both mature and emerging markets grew. APAC and EMEA showed double-digit growth, and the European growth was driven by the installations from the recent large tenders in Italy and Spain. The development in APAC was really good throughout the region, with particularly strong growth in India and Thailand. In the Americas, installations in the U.S. and Canada were somewhat lower than last year, while Mexico showed good growth. Solutions or installations grew by 9%, and service grew with 7%, and that's higher than the installed base growth you see to the right.

But we also hosted the eighteenth MR-Linac Consortium meeting in Amsterdam that brought together almost 90 centers and 600 participants with a common mission to improve patient care and optimize the MR-Linac as a standard treatment modality. With Unity, Elekta delivers groundbreaking MR-guided radiotherapy that will change the standard of care for many cancers over the coming years. But it's also a sound value proposition for clinics and healthcare systems. Treatments are becoming quicker and require less staff. It also will open the possibility for even more radical changes in the way that radiation is used in cancer care. And I would like to specifically highlight three important areas of research where the Unity is demonstrating very promising clinical results. Firstly, new and smarter workflows enables clinicians to reduce treatment times in prostate cancer, which allow for a higher throughput and increasing efficiency.

Secondly, our newly launched Comprehensive Motion Management enables 2mm margins, which is crucial in getting ablative doses to pancreatic cancer that needed to enable better results and also improving survival rates. Thirdly, we're now going beyond seeing the tumor and its movements, to actually see inside it, which will be used to adapt the dose, depending on how the tumor responds, hopefully leading to much better outcomes for treatments of head and neck cancers. And these treatments are uniquely enabled by Unity. But we have also focused a lot on software and our newly launched Elekta One software suite, and it's designed to increase productivity while managing clinicians' need for more complex workflows and personalized care. And Elekta One delivers increased value to our customers and drives operational efficiencies and cost savings in their cancer clinics, up to 50% cost reduction per treatment.

It also offers an attractive software as a service or SaaS commercial model, and SaaS now accounts for 15% of our oncology information system software orders. Elekta One gives us really the opportunity for increased market shares, improved operations, strong revenue growth, and margin contribution going forward. With that, I would like to hand it over to Tobias.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you, Gustaf, and good morning, everyone. Before moving into the details, I would like to start where we ended at the Capital Markets Day. Elekta has continued the momentum we have seen in the last quarters. Our revenue continued to grow at a healthy level in the quarter, and combined with successful cost reduction execution, we are now seeing a substantial margin expansion. Looking into the Q1 financials, net sales increased by 8% in constant exchange rates, supported by double-digit growth in EMEA and APAC. Profitability rose sharply with a gross margin improvement of 260 basis points and an EBIT margin expansion of 720 basis points. Earnings per share increased strongly despite a higher finance net.

If you look at the drivers in more details, we can see that currencies impacted our sales and, to a lesser extent, earnings and margins. Foreign exchange rates contributed with 7 percentage points of growth, a negative impact on gross margin by 70 basis points, and a positive contribution to our EBIT margin of 100 basis points. Operationally, Elekta delivered strong, profitable growth. The improvement was mainly driven by strong revenue growth and successful execution of cost reduction. We also benefited from lower logistics costs compared to the peak in Q1 last year. In the quarter, we also recognized a positive year-over-year impact of 130 basis points from inventory revaluation, driven by the inflationary pressure. As previous quarters, inflation continued to pressure our gross margin.

When it comes to the operating margin, the revenue growth and lower level of cost gave further leverage to our margin on top of the improved gross margin. The positive effect from the inventory revaluation will not be seen in the next quarter, and the inflationary pressure will continue. In addition, in Q1, we had a large share of high-margin service revenues. Then, looking into our expenses in constant currencies and adjusted for the items affecting comparability. All in all, the operating expenses decreased by 1% year-over-year, driven by cost reductions. Selling expenses increased by 6%, driven by more customer events. Administrative expenses declined following improved cost control, and net R&D expenses declined as a consequence of lower gross R&D. Looking at then the R&D.

Gross R&D has continued to decline and on a rolling twelve-month basis and ended at 12.4% of net sales. Net R&D decreased year-over-year as lower gross R&D more than offset higher amortization. Sequentially, net R&D increased following a seasonal lower capitalization rate and somewhat higher amortizations. Then moving over to the balance sheet. Net working capital was on the same level as end of Q1 last year. Sequentially, net working capital increased following a seasonal buildup of inventories and the inflation-based revaluation. Higher sales towards the end of the quarter generated higher accounts receivable, and larger share of installations in Southern Europe drove a higher level of accrued income. Finally, higher shipments generated higher customer advances. Following the record strong Q4, cash flow in the first quarter amounted to a negative 900 million SEK.

Higher earnings was offset by the aforementioned seasonal increase of working capital. Operational cash conversion was 55% on the rolling twelve-month basis. Our continuous investments amounted to 348 million SEK, mainly driven by investments in our innovation pipeline. Over to you, Gustaf.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you, Tobias, and I will just say some words about the outlook. For those of you that were in Crawley at the Capital Markets Day in June, we talked a lot about the outlook until 2024, 2025. It is a net sales of a CAGR more than 7%. It is EBIT margin expansion throughout the period, and also dividend policy of more than 50% of annual net profit. We're really focusing on driving shareholder value quarter by quarter. If we look into to the next quarter here and our outlook, we expect that the revenue growth and EBIT margin expansion to continue in the quarter. But we also see continued inflation in the quarter and that impact.

I think it's important to note, as Tobias also mentioned, that the positive effect in Q1 from the inventory revaulation will not be seen in the next quarter. But in the long term, market trends is really about supporting growth and investment in high-end radiotherapy equipment and margin expansion. So if we then summarize our first quarter, we have shown that we are delivering on our strategy, Access 2025. We are gaining market shares in all our regions in the quarter. It is the third consecutive quarter with strong revenue growth, and we also see strong improvements in our margins. And with that, I would like to hand it over to Cecilia.

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Thank you, Gustaf. We will continue with the Q&A sessions, and I know we have a lineup ready. Please, operator, can you open up the first person in line?

Operator

The first question comes from the line of Mattias Vadsten with SEB. Please go ahead.

Mattias Vadsten
Analyst, SEB

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. First one is on orders, and perhaps starting more specifically on China, if you could quantify how much it grew this quarter. And also, I think we need to cover what is happening there with the anti-corruption crackdowns. And from this, you know, do you expect over the near term, sort of any softness in terms of China orders? And maybe go through what you are seeing and hearing in the region. That's my first one.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes, thank you, Mattias. So if you look at the strong, as we say, growth in China, it was low double digit. So it was a strong growth in the country, and also in the APAC region. And then if you look at the ongoing demand and the ongoing discussions, I think it's important to say that the plan, the five-year plan for CapEx investments in radiotherapy in China is set. And there's a huge need for cancer care throughout the country. The number of linacs per million population is very low. So over the long term, of course, we expect a lot of investments and drive for additional linacs and our solutions in the country.

And we have a very strong position in China, and we also have local operations with a manufacturing facility, software development, sales, marketing organization, a strong partnership and joint venture with Sinopharm. But then if you look at the coming quarters and so on, probably the market will slow down a bit, based on the investigations that that's done throughout the life science sector. And that's difficult for us to exactly know how that will pan out. But still, I mean, we have a strong quarter, this quarter, as I mentioned, on the order side, and I think we have good opportunities throughout the year to grow in China. But it's difficult to say exactly how that will impact our orders quarter over quarter. But a bit of a slowdown in the market, we are expecting.

In the long term, a very positive outlook.

Mattias Vadsten
Analyst, SEB

Thanks so much for that, Gustaf. Sorry to stay here a bit, but are there any sort of, you know, specific incidents that are, you know, worth talking about here, anything in particular, or is it just that you expect a, you know, sort of broader market slowdown?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

There's no specifics. I mean, we have ongoing, sales discussions and, and, going through, I mean, this, this investment needs in the different, regions of China. So I mean, in the long term, we are very optimistic on China. In the short term, there is no specific incidents or anything like that impacting, Elekta, and I think that's very important to say. But a bit of a slowdown in the market, maybe the next couple of quarters, but not longer than that, is what we expect.

Mattias Vadsten
Analyst, SEB

Thank you very much. Moving on to the gross margin, very strong in the quarter. You know, if you could go through the drivers a bit more in detail, and I'm after, you know, the mix, perhaps in the solutions part, how that looks. And if you look on it more, you know, more broadly, sort of you have inflation is probably the, the thing remaining against you, but you have better volume coverage, trade costs should be much, much lower. You know, how much from here do you expect to recapture going forward, sort of from, from headwinds, as you say? Because it looks very strong now in Q1.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yes, thank you, Mattias. And you are rightly so that I think that, I mean, overall, what you see here is structural positive trend on margin expansion. And key really here, now I talk on a full PNL here, is really what we have been driving here with the strong revenue growth, combined with improved cost control. And that is fundamental key for essentially driving shareholder value here. Then if we actually look at the gross margin as such, you are right in the sense that if you look at the seasonality here in Q1, the share of the service is higher than for the rest of the quarters. And you could also see that we had a healthy service growth.

So we see that, I mean, what we stated here in the Capital Markets Day, with a healthy momentum and healthy margin expansion, that stays. But also looking into, when you model that into the next quarter, that we had a positive impact here from the inventory revaluation, and also that the mix here in the quarter is strong. But it doesn't take away fundamental the profitability route that we are on.

Mattias Vadsten
Analyst, SEB

Okay, thanks for that. And then maybe again, more, you know, broadly, I guess we've seen high investment in R&D recent years. Yet the order momentum, you know, continued to be a bit soft, of course, driven by sort of macro factors and so on. But, you know, when do you see these new launches and new solutions improving this momentum? Sort of, when do we expect the turning point to again, you know, grow orders? That's my last one.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. Q2 is the easy answer. But if I look at the technology launches, yes, we have been accelerating innovation since the last year. A lot of products have come out from those investments. If you look at Harmony on the Linac side, Esprit on the Gamma Knife side, Elekta One on the software side, Elekta Studio on the brachy side, and now also Comprehensive Motion Management for Unity. That will be key growth driver for all of those products, but also on the Unity side, with the new functionality, with Comprehensive Motion Management. I think that's important to say. And we have a positive outlook in the coming quarters on orders, and I want to highlight that as well, already from Q2.

And then I think we will continue to launch products, a lot around Elekta One, but also in new functionality, adaptive functionality around our product portfolio. And I think that's what you also see a big demand and need for around our customer base. So we will continue to drive order growth. I think it's also important to say that if you look at rolling twelve months, our book-to-bill ratio is 1.2, and it's in the quarter, it's one. So we have a strong backlog to also continue to drive a very healthy revenue growth from with the margin expansion.

Mattias Vadsten
Analyst, SEB

Thanks so much for the answers.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Kristofer Liljeberg with Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Healthcare Research, Carnegie

Yeah, thank you. Great to see the operating leverage finally happen here on, on the EBIT line. I don't know, could you quantify maybe how much operating costs were maybe down in, in local currencies? I guess there must have been some FX impact here. And how to think about operating costs now, going forward from, from the current level? That's my first question.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, hi, Kristofer, and thanks for the question. I think we actually specified, and maybe I hope I answered the your question correct here. But we had actually a decline here in the operating expenses, if that was your question, despite the inflation and pressure that we had here, and the drivers for-

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Healthcare Research, Carnegie

Did you, did you specify that level? Then I missed it.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

We have it on the slide 15 there on the expenses, if I got your-

Kristofer Liljeberg
Head of Healthcare Research, Carnegie

Sorry. Okay, then I misunderstood. Okay, that's, that's helpful. Then, about you, you seem pretty optimistic here about orders. Could you maybe specify a little bit what markets will drive that and what products are so... On the screen, I think, Gustaf, you were talking about MR-Linac, for example. Some more color there would be helpful. Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah, of course, Christopher. I mean, if you look at the different regions as we see them in the coming Q2 and coming quarter, I think we see a good opportunity in the Americas with the products which we have, and maybe especially on the MR-Linac side, Unity side, that we see strong opportunities there at the moment. But it's also around the whole software suite, Elekta One, because we have a large installed base in the U.S., of course. So Americas, I kind of have a positive outlook for. If you take Europe, yes, there are ongoing larger tenders in Europe driving demand. Not as big as the Spanish, Italian ones, but large tenders.

So good opportunities for growth in EMEA region. Then we discussed China a bit, so maybe a bit slower in the coming quarter based on everything that's happening, but overall, I have also positive outlooks in the other areas of the APAC region. But if I would highlight one area, I would say good opportunities in Americas.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

... And what's your visibility here for the second quarter, specifically?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I think everything is-

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

When it comes to orders.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I think things have changed a lot during the last year, so our visibility is much better overall. It's much easier to look at supply chains, logistics, cost, customers, it's easier to get the customer access, et cetera. So I think the predictability has improved a lot. On the order sides, it's you know, more difficult to forecast orders, of course, in bigger tenders and so on. But I would say overall, the visibility has improved a lot compared to, say, 12 months ago.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Erik Cassel with Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Hi. Good morning, everyone. First question is on the impact of the inventory revaluation. It's, you know, I mean, I heard you saying that you said there was a 130 bps impact on those margins. Actually, I can probably figure it out based on that. But just for clarity, I mean, could you tell us the absolute impact on adjusted EBIT, so we can get that sort of underlying profitability?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

You have a year-over-year impact of SEK 50 million. That is just the-

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Uh.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Calculation, yes.

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. And then, to follow up on Mattias' questions, I've heard a competitor talk about likely 25% dropping orders for the coming two quarters. I mean, is that a ballpark figure for Elekta as well, or do you see that sort of delta going in a different direction, up or down from that?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Sorry, can you take that question again? The line was a bit bad. Competitors' order outlook, was that the question?

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Basically on China, to follow up on Mattias' question. I mean, I heard a competitor talk about a likely 25% dropping orders. I just want to know how you think about that. Is that likely to be more or less than that number?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

I don't want to comment on a competitor's outlook. I think for Elekta, as I mentioned, there are some, you know, slowness in the coming quarter, but I don't have any specific number on it. I am, as I also said, if you take a couple of quarters, positive on the development in China.

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. And then I just want to get at what happens to sales in China. I mean, how much of a runway in deliveries do you have now until a potential slump in orders become an issue there?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

If you look at our installation volumes going forward, we both have a very healthy and quite large backlog to continue to install our backlog into China across the country. We have good opportunities on the MR-Linac side as well, because that's opening up again when we got the licenses and so on. So, I don't want to predict, I mean, exactly how the order backlog will develop in China over coming quarters, but overall, I think with our strong position, with the big need, and our big backlog, I see strong performance if you take a rolling twelve months perspective on China going forward.

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, perfect. Then just the last one, if I may. I mean, logistics costs seem to have mostly eased now, but how are you thinking about offsetting cost inflation? I mean, how close are we to a better delivery mix of, say, higher price linacs and a mix more tilted to, say, Harmony as well?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, thank you, Erik. I can answer upon that. I think that we really stick to actually what we communicated at the capital markets there. I mean, we are not sitting still here. We provide here that we drive this profitable growth. When it comes to the gross margin, we talked about the important price increases and that these, over this two years time period, mostly impact next year, but you will start to see them towards the end on this fiscal year. We see the positive impact on prices on our orders, so that is a healthy momentum and a great job by the organization.

Erik Cassel
Equity Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, perfect. Thank you very much, guys. I'll jump back in queue.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Robert Davies with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. I had three. The first one was just on the development, I guess, of margins to the rest of the year, given you obviously posted 11%. I know you'd highlighted some of that inventory benefit in the margin, but just if you can kind of help map out the seasonality, because obviously, looking back, there's only a couple of years where you've done 11% margins in the first quarter, and I think on a full year basis, you ended up in a somewhere between the sort of 14%-16% full year margin. So why would this year be any different? Is that due to the sort of savings phasings or seasonality, or could you just walk us through that, your expectations there with the first question?

The second one was just around the order development, sorry, it's a revenue development in Europe with the growth down 38%. I know you'd sort of flagged the comps, but they didn't look that high to me from the previous year. I think they were only sort of +11 or so. So just maybe if you could flesh out that 38% decline there and in a little more color, that would be helpful. And then the last bit, just in terms of the contribution or the breakdown between the logistics, the cost savings and the FX in the overall margin development? I know those are the three buckets you kind of called out, but just if you could help quantify those three, that would be great.

Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Okay, that was a good list. So, let's start. I'll kick off with the EBIT margin development, and then hand it over to Tobias, and then come back on the order side in EMEA. But if we take the EBIT margin in the first quarter, yes, it's a strong start. We see that also in historical comparison. You have to go back, I think, 2-3 years in order to find out such a strong EBIT percentage start of a year. Looking ahead, I mean, we are driving for revenue growth, like we said, and margin expansion.

And then we have some downward pressures on the inflation, on especially our salary, that we have kind of increased now based on inflation, as well as some component prices that still are relatively high in a historical comparison. But overall, I think we have the strong cost program. We have a good cost discipline at the moment. But we have some of these factors that is driving pressure on gross margin, EBIT margin from an inflation perspective.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, no, I think it was well put, Gustaf, and just to mention, I mean, the core of this, where you look at the revenue growth combined with the improved cost control, I mean, that will remain here in the next quarter. But then also to consider, I mean, the strong mix here in Q1 and the inventory revaluation, that will not be repeated. So, but the important for us is that we continue this healthy journey now, and step by step, as we said, improve our financial performance, both by driving a healthy level of growth and also driving margin expansion. And that we are determined to continue to do.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah, then if we move to, I think it was an order question, and an explanation of the -38 in EMEA. And for me, it is last year we had a growth based on the larger tenders in South Europe, and the year before as well we had quite a lot of Spain and Italy in those numbers. And if you look on a historical comparison, since EMEA is quite a tender-driven market, it can be quite fluctuation if you look at specific quarters in that market. So I think that's a bit what we've seen in the first quarter, that we haven't had any of these larger European tenders. But I can say there are quite a few of those in the pipeline as well, coming in the coming quarters.

So, I think that's the quarterization of the order demand in Europe and the impacts on these larger tenders. If we go to the FX, Tobias.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, if we, if we talk about the FX and the impact there, could you repeat that question? What specific part? We specify that if you look at the FX in, in, total, we do have a, quite positive contribution here on sales level, mainly driven by the strengthening of the U.S. dollar. Then actually what you see here on the gross margin level is actually a, a negative impact on the gross margin, which sequentially, both at a year-over-year comparison, compared to the U.S. dollar, has changed now, much higher levels on that. We have also seen an increase on the British pound, which also impacting that.

But overall, down then to year-over-year here, since you also have the hedges year-over-year to consider on operating margin level, you see that those have a—in total, the currencies have a positive impact of 100 basis points. So that is the impact from currencies in the quarter.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Sorry, 100 basis points positive impact on adjusted EBIT margins?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yes, and you have that actually on the slide-

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

... where we talk about margin improvement, those negative 70 basis points on gross margin and 100 basis points positive on EBIT. So those are specified actually.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

... Elekta delivers both from operational point of view and how FX are impacting the financial development.

Robert Davies
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, that's, that's great. Thank you for the clarity. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Oliver Reinberg with Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, thanks very much, for taking my questions, also three from my side. The first is just generally on the visibility. I mean, last quarter, I think you basically, pulled your two-year margin outlook, which, was still a bit unclear what drove this decision back then. And now, just one quarter later, actually, we're seeing a major positive, surprise on the kind of margin development. So can you just talk to what visibility do you have on the margin profile? And maybe you can share some more color, what drove the decision back on Q4 to, basically, pull the kind of 2024, 2025 margin outlook? That would be the first question, please.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes. Hi, Oliver. Thank you for that question. So I mean, we communicated our outlook at the Capital Markets Day, and it was very much in line with what we said two years before. It is about more than 7%, revenue, to grow on a CAGR basis until 2024, 2025, and the EBIT margin expansion throughout the period. So I mean, we maintain that. And of course, the ambition is to come back to the levels we were before, and higher. And we were at, I think it was 13.8 or 13.9, so say 14 and higher, but we haven't committed to a specific quarter or year that that will happen. But I think that's the, maybe the clarity that I want to add to that discussion around our guidance for-...

for our outlook for the year until 2024, 2025, and, and onwards.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, fair enough. The second question, just getting a bit of more color also on the kind of growth margin. Thanks for the clarity of the effect for the inventory. I think in your prepared remarks, you talked about a higher margin in the service business. So I'm just checking: do you just mean that the mix was better between solution and services, or have you also seen a kind of higher profitability within your service business? And if we look here going forward, if we strip out the effect from inventories, you're still above 40% gross margin. Is that a level we can assume going forward?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah, if you look, I start with the first question and then the second one to Tobias. But the first one, we saw a strong service growth. I mean, 7% is a strong number when it comes to service, because the installed base growth was 5%, so service was strong. So we had a good service solution mix, as we call it, in the quarter. We also see that the service contract pricing linked to CPI clauses comes closer from the backlog into the revenue, so that is driving and will drive improved margins from, I would say, faster than solutions, because it takes a bit longer from an order to revenue on the solution side.

So I think we'll continue to drive both top line growth on service and margin improvement in that area as well, linked to price increases that we have worked so hard with over the last couple of quarters. But most of it will, you will see, in the end of this fiscal year when it comes to the impact from price increases.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, and, Oliver, could you repeat the, your second question there?

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah. I mean, effectively, the question was whether this service business itself also had a kind of higher than usual margin. I mean, from what Gustaf just said, it was just like the underlying improvement, but there were no special effects in the profitability of services. Is that correct?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Aha! Okay. So we had a bit of impact in the quarter from this, just that our inventories arose, inflationary driven. But other than that, yeah, it was a solid quarter. But not anything particular, I would say. So that's how I would frame it.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah, and the service margins were very similar.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Uh-

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

So, there was no specific service margin improvement in the quarter.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Oh.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

It was more in a mix between the overall service and solution revenues.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

... if that clarifies.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Super, super. Therefore, if we strip out the inventory effect, we're still tracking above 40%. Is that something we can assume going forward, or is that too ambitious?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

I think here, also consider when you look at that, the seasonality of, the high share of the service in the quarter. When you look at that and split that between, Q1 and for the remaining quarters, I think that is also to be considering, when you model, for Q2, for example.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, perfect. And the last question, just on GenesisCare. I think you talked in a report about the fact that you have received some kind of payment. Has this kind been the kind of full amount of payments that you expected? And can you just also provide some kind of color when you expect to have more visibility, whether any kind of write-downs are required or not?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yeah. Thank you, Oliver. Now, so GenesisCare is, of course, a long-term customer of Elekta and a customer that we support throughout this process as well. That's the Chapter 11 process. They are still, I mean, of course, treating patients. It's a Chapter 11 process, and we continue also to deliver Linacs, and we also get paid. So I think that's important to say. But we also need to look at the Chapter 11 process when it looks at the total order backlog, but that's a bit too early to say now. But I think we will have a clearer view exactly on the order backlog impacts from what's happening on the GenesisCare side after Q2, is my expectation. But that's not really up to us to decide. That's the Chapter 11 process.

But I think it's important to say we have a good relationship with GenesisCare, we continue to deliver, and we also get paid for what we deliver. And then we will see order backlog impact after Q2.

Oliver Reinberg
Senior Equity Research Professional, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes. Perfect. Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Rickard Anderkrans with Handelsbanken. Please go ahead.

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

All right. Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. So first one, if you could clarify the year-over-year impact from supply chain and inflation on the gross margin. You have already reported this previous quarter, so it would be helpful to just get a number on that. Thank you.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you, Rickard. So we have not specified this in detail, but when you look at the year-over-year impact from that specific, it's roughly in line with the previous quarters. We have an ongoing inflationary pressure, which actually pressure our gross margin.

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

Around the 200 basis point, negative impact is similar to this quarter, around that?

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

That is what you... We haven't specified the number, but it's...

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

... it is a clear negative impact, yes.

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay, and looking a bit on orders. So, orders in EMEA are close to, you know, SEK 1 billion level. Is that the type of level we should expect on an absolute basis going forward, or can you help us, you know, think about the EMEA orders side in the coming quarters? And for the record as well, do you expect to deliver positive order growth or sort of deliver year-over-year growth in orders organically in Q2? Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes, I really want to highlight this, and I've said it, I think, many times during the call. I'm, we have a positive outlook for Q2 when it comes to order growth, globally. If you look at the full year, we expect order growth for the full year ex, as well. And then specifically for EMEA, I think you need to look more on a rolling twelve-month basis because there is so much tenders and going on, so it's difficult to just judge the performance on one quarter. And then if you look at the demand for radiotherapy in Europe, there's big demand still. There's still big gaps, and you can see that the European Beating Cancer Plan, that there's still a big investment needs and also in a lot of software initiatives across the region.

When you look at Middle East, Africa, it's a more, I mean, volatile region, of course, but we still see big investment needs and a lot of activity going around in Africa, but also in the Middle East region that they will continue to invest in building up their cancer care and radiotherapy treatment capacity. So that's my input on more of the specifics on EMEA.

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

It's very helpful. Just a super quick follow-up. What are the largest tenders from—what countries or regions are the ones that you're looking forward to here in the next few quarters, if you could specify?

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

We don't specify specific ongoing, I mean, discussions in that way, but I think it's multiple areas in Europe and countries that has ongoing larger tenders. But you can highlight a large part of the need of more capacity in Europe. For new capacity, you would find that in Central and Eastern Europe, I would say. Then, of course, you have replacement cycles and also customers wanting new technology like adaptive or MR-Linac. That I would say that's across all countries, but maybe more a tilt towards mature Europe.

Rickard Anderkrans
Equity Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you. That's all for me. Thanks for taking my questions.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Veronika Dubajova
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Veronika Dubajova with Citi. Please go ahead.

Veronika Dubajova
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Citi

Hi, guys. Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I have three, please, and apologies to harp on this, but just maybe just back to your comment on order growth and your expectations for positive order growth in Q2. I want to confirm that reflects the impact that you're anticipating from the China anti-corruption campaign, or is that a source of uncertainty? And maybe just quickly related to that, when it does come to China, are you seeing any signs of delayed installations? Not just delayed orders, but also delayed installations. We're picking some comments from some of the local players about that. So I just want to confirm what you're seeing and how you're thinking about that risk. So that's my first question.

My second question, just circling back to the gross margin comment and currencies as you see them evolving through the rest of the year. By our math, we certainly see an increasing gross margin headwind from currencies. I was just curious if you could confirm and quantify that, and to what extent you anticipate to be able to offset that through hedges, at least through this year. Then my final question is a slightly bigger picture question. I kind of appreciate your comments through the report that you believe you're winning market share, but obviously, the 12-month rolling order growth is standing at 0, and that includes some pretty strong tenders where you have done very well. But it would suggest certainly that there are regions, including the U.S., where you have continued to remain in share donor mode.

So I just kind of a question on how you think you're doing in the U.S. and your thoughts about your ability to drive some improved order momentum in the U.S. in particular. Thanks, guys.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Yes. So thank you, Veronica. If we start with Q2, I reiterate that we expect order growth. And then if you look specifically on China, that is around 15% of our orders and revenue. So of course, it's a big market for us, but we still have the 85% as well. And what we need to go through the quarter and see to what to expect there. But as I mentioned, I'm optimistic about the long-term trend in China, and I don't think we should evaluate that country reading just based on next quarter's demand. So we'll need to get back to that and follow that process.

When it comes to the installations, the installation volumes in China has been growing and are high, and we have a great order fulfillment and installation and service organization driving that, in the different parts of China. So we haven't seen any delays there or anything like that. That's my perspective on China. Maybe I jump to the market share question, and then I will hand it over to Tobias on the gross margin side. Looking at market share, how we track it is we look at Linac, I mean, unit, in the different parts of the world, and we see that we gain significant market share when you look at devices around the world in all regions.

And then, I think it's not the big services orders and so on. So the comparisons are getting more difficult based on where our main competitor can developing their offering more into services in different areas. But if you look at the core part of the market, the linear accelerators, we have been gaining shares in all our regions in the last quarter.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yes, thank you. And I can also talk here about the gross margin development. I think it's we had a slight negative impact here on gross margin level. I think if we'd be essentially on this level, maybe slightly more negative in coming quarters, then as you know, Veronica, here, when you look at the full year-over-year impact from currencies, it will be a more positive impact in the coming quarters on an EBIT margin level.

Operator

Okay. Thank you, guys.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you.

Operator

The last question for today comes from the line of Richard Felton with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Richard Felton
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. Good morning. So follow up on gross margin, please. And as you think about sort of the outlook for the rest of the year, that you're giving us some good clarity on some of the headwinds and tailwinds. But the message that I had picked up in some of your communications around full year results back in May sounded like fiscal 2024 would only see, you know, flattish or very modest gross margin progression. So, you know, now you've got Q1 under your belt, just interested to know if anything has changed in your thinking around that? Secondly, is there anything that you can share around how much of your order book or receivables is related to GenesisCare? Thank you.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Yeah, so I can talk about the gross margin. But I think for the full year, we have talked about this rationale to consider about the specifics in the quarters. We are on a healthier trajectory when you look at the margin expansion. I think this year, what you mainly will see is an expansion on the operating margin level, and then consider the effects. But it's we do see, I mean, overall, a positive trajectory on gross margin and the very important here is actually the price increases that we are working on and that we see results and will come towards the end of this year.

So, but when you look at the margin expansion journey for this year, it's more on the operating margin level. And then you had the-

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

On the GenesisCare question, I think that's important to say that, I mean, we're supporting GenesisCare through this. They are our customer and our key partner, and I think the—what we have in the order backlog, we have sent out press releases and so on that, on that before. But it's important to note that the ambition is, of course, that GenesisCare, I think the plan is that it will be two different parts, but that will continue the operation. And we want to be their partners and deliver parts of the order backlog to those sites around the world that we have. And that's what I expect the outcome to be. So I don't see the risk to be a full cancellation of everything we have in the backlog.

It will be parts of it based on the Chapter 11 process, and we need to get back to that, after next quarter when we have the clarity we need.

Richard Felton
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. Thank you very much.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Cecilia Ketels
Head of Investor Relations, Elekta

Okay, we are approaching the hour, so we would like to thank you for listening in today. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any further questions later on. However, this afternoon, we will host our AGM, but we will, of course, take as many call as we can anyway. We wish you a remaining great day. Thank you.

Tobias Hägglöv
CFO, Elekta

Thank you.

Gustaf Salford
President and CEO, Elekta

Thank you!

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