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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Jan 28, 2022

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Fingerprint's fourth quarter 2021 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. Alternatively, you may also type your question out on the webcast and hit Submit. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. Now I'd like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. Stefan Pettersson, Head of Investor Relations of Fingerprint. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Fingerprint Cards earnings call following the release of our year-end report this morning. We'll start off with a presentation of the report by our CEO, Christian Fredrikson, and thereafter by our CFO, Per Sundkvist. Following this, we'll have a Q&A session. If you're following the conference call on the web, you can post questions throughout the call. For those of you participating in the phone conference, instructions on how to ask questions will be given by the operator before we get into the session. With that, I now hand over to our CEO, Christian Fredrikson.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you, Stefan. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this call focusing on Fingerprint's progress and performance in the fourth quarter of 2021. As we released our year-end reporting this morning, we will also provide comments on the full year of 2021. I have to start by saying that I am very pleased with the progress on all fronts of our business. Yes, I am. Our revenues in Q4 came in at SEK 357 million, which represents a 3% decrease compared to Q4 2020. If we look at the revenue trend, it is very positive for us. For the full year of 2021, we grew our revenues by 16% in constant currency terms. We could deliver this performance even though our access to production capacity was insufficient during the whole year due to the global semiconductor shortage.

I believe this demonstrates the strength and stability of our business and our market position, which during this year also began to expand to new areas at a much higher rate than before. I expect that we will continue to grow at a strong pace in all our new areas. Let me come back to these different growth areas to give you a bit more insight into the current position and our growth prospects. Now, while we expect to continue to be impacted by supply chain constraints also during 2022, the situation is improving, and the demand for our product continues strong. Accordingly, and as we have previously disclosed, we forecast our number for 2022 to be in the range of SEK 1.6 billion-SEK 2 billion. If we take the midpoint of this forecast, it would represent a 33% growth rate compared to 2021.

We clearly have a positive view on the development of our business. Also, when it comes to our profitability, which has been improving steadily this year, our gross margin in Q4 was 32%. Let me repeat that, 32%, up by eight percentage points year-over-year and by three percentage points compared to last quarter. For the full year, our gross margin was 29%, up from 22% in 2020. Next slide, please. Demand for our products in our largest business line, mobile, continued to develop nicely in Q4, particularly for our latest ultra-thin sensors that are mounted on the side of the device. This sensor type has been expanding its share of the market, and we have a very strong offering in this area, which we are continuing to innovate in. As you know, we are leading the market in capacitive sensors for smartphones.

We are also continuing our efforts to enter the under-display market. Entering this market has taken longer than we hoped and anticipated, but we have been making good progress here, and we have the ambition to enter this segment this year. It would represent a meaningful addition to our product portfolio in the mobile area and would also contribute to further revenue growth. At the same time, we are now seeing that biometrics is being adapted at a faster rate than before in other areas. In fact, we have a very positive view of the development of the market across all our focus areas. PC is emerging as a fantastic new area for Fingerprints and will be an important growth driver in the year ahead of us. In the access area, biometric access cards are now really beginning to take off.

As you know from last year in payments, commercial rollouts of biometric payment cards have started in reality and are continuing in different parts of the world. Let's take a closer look at our progress in these four areas and the road ahead. Next slide, please. In mobile, our latest innovation, the ultra slim side mounted capacitive sensor is doing very well in the market. These sensors definitely represent the new highest standard, and we are continuing to drive innovation in this area. In fact, we have started volume shipments of an updated version during Q4. The new ultrathin capacitive sensor models expanded their share of the market in 2021, and the capacitive sensor continues to be the most popular biometric technology in the smartphone segment.

About 60% of launched smartphone models from the 10 largest manufacturers of Android smartphones in 2021 had a capacitive fingerprint sensor. The corresponding proportion for under-display sensors was about 30%. These numbers are fairly similar to what we saw in 2020. We continue to be the leader in the capacitive sensor segment and are approaching now 600 smartphones launched with our sensor. Next slide, please. Now on PC, a fantastic new market for us. We are already dominating the market for fingerprint sensor in the Chromebook market, and we are now starting to capture a significant share of the new fast-growing global market for biometric solution within the Windows PC segment.

The HONOR MagicBook V14 launched in Q4 with our new biometric solution for PC, and apart from HONOR, Windows PCs with our sensors from Dell, Huawei and Xiaomi have been launched. We will be able to add to this list several models in the near future. PC represents a fantastic growth opportunity for us. The penetration rate in fingerprint sensors in PC market is now at about 20%, and we expect this to approach the same levels as in mobile of around 80% in the coming years. As we have previously communicated, our sales to the PC industry have all prerequisites to outgrow the access area in the next 12-18 months and develop to the second largest application area for our products, as we expect very high growth rate for our business in PC.

We will go from no sales in this business here to the leader within less than 18 months or 2 years. There are also much more that we can now do as we continue to innovate within the PC market with biometrics. Next slide, please. I am also very pleased that access business is growing for us. Biometric access cards are an application which we have talked about a long time, and this is an area now really seems to take off in parallel with the uptake in PCs. I believe that one reason for this is the sharply increased focus on cybersecurity in the last year or so. Biometric access cards or tokens support secure unified access control that is portable across many users. For example, logging on to share PCs, accessing VPNs and other restricted spaces throughout the whole digital space.

Biometric access cards can also bring the added benefit of combining logical and physical access control using the same card when accessing digital assets and unlocking doors. In Q4, we could announce that the U.K. company Freevolt Technologies is launching S-Key, a biometric access card integrating our T-Shape sensor module. Earlier, we have announced that Sentry Enterprises, a U.S. company, is using our technology in its converged biometric credential for physical and logical access, their SentryCard. This fits well into the integrated approach to security, which is becoming increasingly common and which is addressing physical security and system security in a much more coordinated way. Biometrics will become an increasingly important part of making the modern workplace safer while saving time and giving employees greater flexibility in how, when, and where they work.

There are also synergies between our businesses in access card and in the biometric payment cards area, not only in terms of our products and solutions and innovation, but also in terms of the ecosystem. Many of our partners in payments, with whom we drive joint and business development efforts, are also active in the access card area. To mention our cooperation with Infineon in the access area. In Q4, we could also announce an agreement with Indian company Mantra Softech for our world-leading high security iris recognition solution. It will be used in multiple devices from Mantra Softech in the coming years. Iris recognition brings real great convenience and security to the many use cases that we see ahead of us with our partners.

I must also raise that we now see much more potential finally in the automotive industry, and we are continuing to invest in product and business development for this area, both in fingerprint sensors and in iris solutions. There is clearly an increase in interest from automotive companies in biometric authentication with the digitalization of cars moving ahead even stronger. Next slide, please. Finally, but definitely not least and last, is payments. We saw yet another commercial launch of biometric payment cards, this time in Poland by Bank Pocztowy. Prior to this, we have had launches in Switzerland, France, Jordan, and Mexico. We expect to see an increasing number of commercial launches in 2022. The whole payment ecosystem is gearing up for significantly higher volumes. For example, the world's top secure element providers are all developing advanced systems for biometric cards.

All of them have in fact chosen Fingerprint's technology for their reference designs. At the beginning of January, one of them, STMicroelectronics, was recognized by winning CES 2022 Innovation Award for STPay-Topaz-Bio. It's a biometric system-on-card platform developed in cooperation with Fingerprint Cards and Linxens. I am pleased that we also received the first order for our latest generation T-Shape sensor module, which we call the T2, to be used by one of the world's top three card manufacturers to commercialize the next evolution of payment cards. The latest T-Shape recently achieved compliance with Mastercard's updated security requirements, and it will be an important part of the next step of the evolution of biometric payment cards. It is smaller, faster, more cost-efficient than the predecessor, while enhancing our already market-leading convenience and security. This is a fantastic product.

It is even simpler to integrate into the standard automated card manufacturing process using the proven and accepted T-Shape packaging delivered in dual reel. The result is higher throughput, reduced waste, and lower embedding cost. Also, we have now demonstrated, as we communicated earlier, that this sensor has made it possible to execute biometric authentication entirely within the secure element. In this case, with market leader Infineon's secure element. Basically, what we have done is to enable full on-card fingerprint authentication without having to add an extra microcontroller. Many industry experts believe this technological leap to be impossible, and we love that. We actually achieved it while maintaining biometric performance and increasing the level of security. We have the strongest offering on the market, and we are continuing to drive innovation together with our ecosystem partners.

Now, let me also say that I am very pleased that Samsung recently launched their fingerprint security integrated circuit for biometric payment cards. I am happy to see that Samsung now also shares and joins in our vision for biometric with payment cards. We love that. I find it fascinating that the largest mobile phone manufacturer and global volume leader in other industry joins the biometric payment card market. How great is that? The fact that we now see credible competition joining and large ecosystem players entering this space clearly supports our long-held view that this industry will happen and is now truly moving towards becoming the next global mass market for biometrics. We are the leader in this market, and we will continue to lead in market share performance as well as total biometric payment card cost.

We target 50% market share in this new developing business over time, where speed of adoption remains to be seen. I agree with that. We believe that the addressable market will be about 3 billion biometric payment cards from 2026 and beyond. What more can I say? We are not alone to create this market. Today, ecosystem players, to name a few, like Mastercard, Visa, Thales, G+D, IDEMIA, Infineon, STMicroelectronics, Linxens, and now we have a credible competition like Samsung coming along with a huge amount of large banks joining. This is a fantastic future that I believe in the biometric payment cards. Next slide, please. Looking ahead, our focus is squarely on innovation, expansion into new areas, profitable growth and cash flow generation.

As high-highlighted before, our gross margin trend is positive with significant improvements both in the quarter and in the full year of 2021. As I have said before, in this industry, it should be possible to generate over 30% gross margins, and so we have now. As we continue to innovate and diversify the business into new areas, there is potential for further improvements for us. Now, Fingerprint does not have any proprietary production capacity as hardware solution and production is conducted using partners, as you know well. We have focused hard on improving core working capital as a share of revenues with positive impact on cash flow all through 2021.

Our operating cash flow, cash flow was affected by strategic decisions to temporarily increase inventory levels and working capital, both as a result of increased demand for Fingerprint products and to ensure supply over the coming periods. I am pleased that our revenue streams are now being diversified at a higher pace than previously into areas with attractive margins, and we will continue to focus on driving revenue growth. Our business model is highly scalable, and we will focus on substantial cash flow generation while maintaining a high level of R&D activity, which is very important for us in this market. Next slide, please. Summarizing, I am very pleased with our progress not least when it comes to our strong growth in 2021, while also significantly improving our gross margin. This was a great year for us and our business.

Our product innovation is key to this positive development, and we will continue to drive development of innovative products and solutions in all our focus areas. We expect the positive revenue trend to continue in 2022 as we look at the full year. To support our growth, we are continuing our efforts to broaden our supplier base to control our risk and secure access to the capacity we so much need going forward. We work with our existing semiconductor suppliers to ensure as large a volume as possible from them, while at the same time making continuous efforts to establish collaboration with new producers to increase our access to additional capacity. We are making good progress in adding one more foundry and several other suppliers during 2021. This will of course be a very important task for us as there are still challenges in the supply chain during 2022.

We have been able to manage them well so far. We have ambitious growth plans, which increase the need for working capital and investments in R&D. I'm therefore very pleased that we secured funding in December by issuing SEK 300 million in senior secured bonds to further accelerate our growth. Let me close by reiterating our positive revenue forecast for 2022, which was between SEK 1.6 billion-SEK 2 billion, which represents a good growth and strong growth over 2021. Also, we expect to improve our EBITDA margin in 2022 to a level of 14%-18%, actually looking at the end of the year step by step. With that, let me hand over to Per Sundkvist. Thank you.

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you, Christian, and good morning to all. Let's now move to the first slide of the financial results section. Starting with our revenue in Q4, we reported a 3% decrease compared to last year. However, in constant terms, that would be 4%. Q4 in 2020 was quite a good quarter. If you look at the full year numbers, which is more interesting to see from a long-term trend perspective, the trend is clearly positive. With an 8% growth rate to 2020, and if you use the same constant currency comparison, it's actually even 16%. The demand for our products continued to develop favorably.

As Christian mentioned, supply chain limitations are still the main obstacle for us, even though we have managed well to improve the situation during the year, which has also, of course, clearly been reflected in our full-year growth numbers. In parallel, the very positive development of our gross margin continues, and this improved the full 8 percentage points year-over-year and also by 3 percentage points compared to the previous quarter. A high proportion of new higher-margin products is the key driver to this positive development. Next slide, please. Now, looking further into the 12-month trend, it is still positive, both from a revenue as well as a gross margin perspective. This is largely due to the continued product innovation and diversification, both in mobile and in other segments, such as PC.

Our success in the market has improved our product mix sales with a significant positive impact on margins, as mentioned several times during this presentation. Next slide, please. Operating expenses in Q4 were SEK 107.5 million, versus SEK 79.3 million in the same period last year. Development costs of SEK 20 million were capitalized during the quarter, which is to be compared to SEK 32 million in the same period last year. This corresponds to 34% of total development costs, compared to 66% in the corresponding quarter of 2020. The reason for the increased OpEx is in fact that we are driving an even higher number of our R&D and operational projects compared to last year. We are continuing to invest in growth, both by driving product innovation and by broadening our supplier base.

As usual, we're pairing the above efforts by maintaining strong focus on cost and efficiency improvements in all aspects of the development. Next slide, please. Our core working capital, that is accounts receivable plus inventory and less the accounts payable, was SEK 217 million at the end of the quarter, which is compared to SEK 132 million in the same quarter last year and SEK 170 million in last quarter. If we look further in the details around the development of the core working capital and put it in relation to revenue, it increased to 16% from 10% in Q4 last year and 13% last quarter. The increase in working capital is solely a result of our growth initiatives.

With higher receivables and inventory buildup to meet demand increases, as well as to mitigate any supply chain disruptions now and as well as in the future. As always, we continue to work very diligently and actively to manage our working capital in the most efficient manner possible. Next slide, please. As mentioned in the previous slide, this growth-driven increase in working capital receivables and inventory is the reason our cash flow from operating activities was a negative SEK 70 million in the quarter, which is to be compared to a positive SEK 47 million in Q4 last year. For the full year 2021, cash flow from operating activities was a positive SEK 24 million, which is to be compared to SEK 158 million in 2020.

At the end of 2021, our cash position stood at SEK 374 million versus SEK 377 million last year, and SEK 121 million at the end of Q3 in 2021. In December, we issued SEK 300 million SEK financing in a senior secured bond with the aim of securing further financial readiness to our growth initiatives going forward. Cash flow from investing activities, capitalized development expenditures was SEK 24 million to be compared with SEK 33 million last year. Now thank you, everyone, and we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to withdraw your request, please press the pound or hash key. Your first question comes from the line with François-Xavier Bouvignies from UBS. Please ask your question.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Hi, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Good morning. I have a couple of questions if I may. The first one is maybe first on the top line and maybe Christian would be interesting to know that in the last few quarters, I mean, you gave some guidance for the next quarter, and I think I didn't see any next quarter guidance, and sorry if I missed it. My question is why you didn't provide the guidance.

I mean, you're saying that it's usually a low quarter, but I just wanted to understand this comment then and the fact that you didn't provide any guidance for the next quarter.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yes, thanks François, and good, thanks for joining again. Yes, a simple answer is we're not giving quarterly guidance now anymore. We decided that, and we only gave a yearly guidance. You're right. I can say that Q1 is always low for us, that it's a weak quarter for us in our business. Of course the growth is coming kind of during the year. It is a part of the seasonality of our business and has been so, and it is going to be so this year as well.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

You know, like a follow-up to that is, if you look at last year, the seasonality was much lower because of the shortage as such, right? I mean, you had minus 4% I think quarter-on-quarter in Q1 2021. Compared to before, you're right, it was like much more double-digit percentage decline quarter-on-quarter. You know, shortage I think is, you know, still there, and you mentioned a couple of times during the year in 2021 that the demand was much higher than supply. You know, the seasonality for me shouldn't be really visible as such if the demand is much higher than the supply, if you see what I mean.

I struggle to understand why all of a sudden it would be in line with seasonality if the demand is much higher than supply. Do you see what I mean? I don't really understand that. The supply is not a problem anymore, or there is no shortage anymore?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

The supply challenge is still continue, yes. We expect that to continue in 2022. We are getting better, and we have been able to manage it, but I do expect it to continue in this year still. Yeah, it is a seasonality and also of course all the new businesses are growing from smaller numbers, so they will be growing during the year. That is of course where a lot of our improvement is coming from clearly when we go from one leg to four legs now. That's also a case actually, François.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay.

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

If we assume a seasonality that is down in Q1, which is a normal seasonality, usually lower, it means that your revenue growth will be negative in Q1. I mean, you will need a very significant recovery to reach your target for 2022. I mean, is that the case? It's gonna be like a very low Q1, negative growth maybe, and then a strong acceleration after that? I mean, do you see that happening in your bookings already or?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah, I think that yes, we are in a situation when it comes to the new businesses. I see, we see kind of when you look at the orders, when you look at the cases, I see very, you know, when I look at the models that we have won and where are we getting into and the launch is coming, there is a very strong ramp up there and a lot of wins that are materializing for us. Then it's of course up to us to be able to deliver.

Yes, it will be acute. As seasonality comes, that means also we have a weaker one, and then it ramps up during the year, right? That's how the growth will come for us. Yes.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. I say it's just a very significant recovery after Q1 that you need to reach target. That's if you see in your booking that's helpful. Maybe the gross margin, I mean, was quite strong this quarter. I mean, is it a one-off or you say, is it like a new level that you should work on? Because we saw some volatility in the gross margin in the last few quarters, although improving steadily as you show in your presentation or on a rolling basis. Can you help us understand how we should think about the gross margin from this 32%,

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

I think that I can say so.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Going forward.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah. I think I can say so that we still have of course, mobile business is still large for us, so there is of course different, depending on how the mix goes in that business, of course affects the gross margin. It's very clear that we have made a trend change here, which is working for us with the growth of all the new businesses that we have, and all the cases where we go. That kind of leads to that it is a growth trajectory that we see, growing and then getting in there into the fourth quarter where we are supposed to be and where we are forecasting to be between 14% and 18% of EBITDA in Q4 2022.

The mix and then of course, the more we get of the new business which is now growing extremely well for us and as long as of course we need to deliver into that, then that's how it's going to go, right. You still have some fluctuations in the quarters for us. When you look at a yearly basis, yes, absolutely. That's why we forecasted for Q4, 14%-18% EBITDA as well, right.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. Thank you. I have a few questions on the cash flow. I mean, the cash receivables are increasing significantly, but yet you're not really growing. I mean, not this quarter and in Q1, given seasonality, you're not gonna grow. Inventories are barely increasing slightly. So can you provide more details of what exactly the new receivables? I mean, what's the growth initiatives you are talking about a bit in more detail so we can understand why it is growing so much when, you know, for now you're not growing and there is no inventory build up that much at least because of I guess, supply constraint.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Well, there's a few things. One is of course that we continue to invest in R&D and in innovation, and we will continue that. Now we have four legs. We have new product variants into four different dimensions as well that come for us. That is fantastic because that's how our growth now is going to be possible in these new areas. The second one is actually also that when we go to new suppliers, we actually need to fill in those different inventories of all those different supply cases. So that's just working capital because we had to expand geographically, and we had to expand kind of all parts of our supply chain into double and triple suppliers, right?

In materials and in the chains. That has led to working capital increase. Also when you're starting those small volumes, in those new cases, you have to always fill up first to even get anything out. Of course you typically, I mean when it comes to the contracts, you kind of get better payment terms when you get more volume. That's how the cases are built up as well. That's basically it, François.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. When are you gonna see the volumes and the unlocking of the receivables then? I mean, it's, because it's quite meaningful now.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah. I mean that's of course why we during the year, right? That's what we plan to do. That's what kind of the order intake shows us as well. We have to be able to deliver all parts of it as well. That's why we're working on it.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

The cash flow in Q1, I mean, how should we think about that? An improvement from the last two quarters that has been negative on the free cash flow? Or I mean, can you help us understand the seasonality of the cash flow or how should we think going forward to manage expectations on that front?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah, I think that overall we expect, you know, slightly positive. I would say slightly positive cash flow on the full year, and then that's how we believe it will go. But we don't give now by quarters. You see fluctuations, I mean, typically on that as well. Now we're of course building up a bit into these different channels here. That might impact a bit. We don't want to give guidance now by quarter. But on the overall year we expect a slightly positive on the cash flow as well for our company.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. That's clear. Thank you, Christian.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Maybe one quick question on the non-cash items. I don't reconcile what is in the non-cash item this quarter because it's increasing significantly quarter-on-quarter, yet you have 20 SEK million of difference between EBITDA and EBIT, but non-cash item of 40+ this quarter. Just trying to understand what is the difference between D&A and the non-cash items, and where is it exactly in your P&L, this 20 million delta?

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

This is Per Sundkvist. The twenty million delta there is part of the restructuring that we're doing right now. I'd say between the working capital, as you mentioned earlier, in the beginning here, there's a difference there. We will have this new

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Wait.

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Why is it non-cash restructuring?

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

No. In this case, it's a valuation change. We have, for example, this quarter you could say the biggest change here is that we move now the inventory to Singapore. There is a valuation change there because in Sweden we consolidate, in Singapore we consolidate in U.S. dollars. That's one.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. Where is-

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

That was a big move for us, and it doesn't really make any real impact on that one.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Where is it then in the P&L then, this SEK 20 million? Because I mean, it means that it's negative impact on your P&L of SEK 20 million, right? I mean, I may be wrong, but,

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

It's just a balance sheet item. It's just moving inventory from one place to another one. It's not changing the absolute number. It's not the P&L effect at all. We're not selling or expensing anything or anything like that, so.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Sorry, I

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

It's a valuation change.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

I don't understand why you adjust that for non-cash item then in the cash flow. I'm sorry, but it's.

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

Okay.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Sorry. I will maybe follow up later because.

Per Sundkvist
CFO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah, we can, yeah. We can follow up on that one so we can go through in detail. Yeah.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Maybe just on the PC side, I mean, it seems to gain some traction. It's my last question. I mean, it seems to be very strong. Can you give us an idea of how much it represents in terms of sales or any growth? How many other models you expect to be in 2022 versus 2021? Just to get a bit more color on where, you know, the PC is going in 2022 and how we should think about that market. Christian, you seem very excited about this, so just to get a sense a bit more of the impact.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Yeah, it's of course a market. The market is growing, and we are growing as we just kind of got into the market. I can say that the new models, it will be tens of models in the PC market that we will be launching in this year. We see ourselves within 18 months that it's going to be our second largest business, which is going to be over clearly over 10% of our revenues, right? Of course, at this stage, it's the growth is in the hundreds of %, right?

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. How many models did you have in 21?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Now I don't remember. Let me check that, François, and how many models it was. I don't remember now directly. Over 5, between 5 and 10, right? If I look at the amounts, over 5 models.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Between 5 and 10, and you're moving to 10 at least in 2022. Okay.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Tens of models, François.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Okay. Clear. Thank you. Thank you very much. Very clear.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you, François.

François-Xavier Bouvignies
Equity Analyst and Head of Europe Tech Hardware and Semiconductor, UBS

Have a good day.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you.

Operator

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Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Maybe we'll take a couple of questions from the web as well. The first one about supply chain issues, how worried are you about any supply chain issues ahead in 2022?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

I'm not worried. I think that we have shown that we can handle it. But of course, we work hard on expanding, and we will continue expanding on that one, right? There is still going to be supply chain challenges and shortages going to continue in the year. That is for 2022, but I'm not worried about it. I think we have been able to handle it and we will continue to do so. That's of course part of our growth plan as well to be able to do so.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Mm-hmm. Thank you. On biometric cards, how do you view the development of this market in 2022?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

It's going to grow, obviously. We're going to see. We have tens of banks that are in discussions with and so I think that there is, once again, the year that it happened was last year, 2021. I think it's going to be a fantastic and it's going to of course grow now every year. I expect that to happen this year as well. We will see many bank launches. That's of course very important for it now. There's very good traction in the ongoing banks that have launched, the six of them, which are of course all with our solution. Very good feedback from the consumers. As we have stated, and I'm of course, that's very important for us.

There is work on the enrollment and the decision of the banks to work on the enrollment. That is one of the key issue of course to solve as well or make better. It is working, but we have good solutions coming out from that as well. I have to say that, you know, it's not we who are launching, it's the banks. In that perspective, of course, it is. That's why it's always easy to give a specific number on how it goes and how fast and how much and aggressive they put it out there. We see good growth in that business as well, of course, from small numbers from last year.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Okay, thank you. Maybe a last question on Samsung's launch of a fingerprint solution for payment cards. How do you view this? Do you view it as a threat to you?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

No. I think that it is great that Samsung has also come to the same long-term vision that we have had about moving payment cards into biometrics. As I said earlier, maybe I repeat that, I think it's great that Samsung has also come to the same long-term vision that we have had about moving payment cards into biometrics. I think, you know, it is the largest manufacturer of mobile phones and huge volume player in many other industries. Obviously when they move into payment card with biometrics, they believe strongly that this will be a credible competition now, which was needed, and I think it's great that it's happening. If I look at the solution, we are certain that we are competitive. Samsung has, from the secure element point of view, about 20% market share.

We are working, for example, now with Infineon, which has 50% market share in the secure element. I think that we are absolutely competitive. We are leading this market when it comes to performance and as well cost for the full card. We will continue to innovate, and we have to. I think it's fantastic. This is the game is on. That's only. It's just beautiful that it's happening now.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Okay, thank you. Maybe we have time for a couple more questions on how do you view under-display and iris for 2022?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

We have said that, obviously we have been delayed with our entry with optical or the under-display. We expect to enter this year. We have done good progress. Of course, I can't say more than that. I mean, now we need to win and get into that. It's a fantastic thing for us still of course, because it's a market where we have zero sales and zero market share. So, and it is 30%, so it's still a very, it's a great market to get into as I look at it for us. I think, when it comes to the iris, we have a lot of activity now in iris. There are. It's spreading into much more places.

We have launched in hospitals as an access. We are working in the automotive industry. We are getting into payments industry. I think that iris it has taken longer, yes, but it is a fantastic biometric modality and I'm very pleased to see now cases moving. There is a lot of work going on in the funnel to work on our touchless solution as well. I'm optimistic about that opportunity also. It is a fantastic modality. It is the most secure modality. Of course, we need to get more partners, get into more form factors, and that's the work that is happening, and I see a lot in the funnel. That's a great thing for us, I have to say. Thank you.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

All right, thank you. How about ID cards with biometrics? Do you see a potential market for this?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Absolutely. I was saying access cards. Access cards, for example, combining that for physical, logical access is clearly picking up now. As I talked about Sentry cards and the other examples. I think that this is finally also happening and now we see a lot of activity there. It is of course a huge market if you look at all the access cards and dongles that are out there for physical and logical access. Yes, we have very good funnels and I love that, I have to say. I think that that's in a way it's been obvious that that market should happen. It's been so different standards and different ecosystems, it is that has taken time for players to come.

I think now with increasing in cybersecurity hacks and attacks and just too easy to go through. I mean that is now kind of starting to hurt companies, so they want. There is clearly much more need for physical and logical security. This is such an obvious solution to that dilemma right now.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

All right, thank you. Maybe one last question on T-Shape 2. When do you think that we'll see commercial launches using this latest sensor generation?

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

I mean, we have already gotten our first orders for T-Shape 2, so it is basically going on. Of course you will see it this year and you will see a lot of it in the market. We will have more orders coming for T 2 for sure also. I think as I said, it's good growth, very strong growth if you look at from small numbers of course, but very strong growth. T 2 is a fantastic new product. First POs in hand coming out this year for sure, and it's already running.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

Okay. Thank you very much, Christian. That's it for.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

All right.

Stefan Pettersson
Head of Investor Relations, Fingerprint Cards

web questions.

Christian Fredrikson
CEO, Fingerprint Cards

Thank you very much, everybody for joining, and I look forward to talking to you soon again. Stay healthy and have a good day, everybody. Talk to you soon. Thank you very much, and bye for now.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.

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