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Earnings Call: Q3 2015

Oct 21, 2015

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the quarterly announcement of Husqvarna. We're pleased to have you here. We're pleased to talk about the quarter, of course. We think it is a positive quarter for us, but beyond the quarter as such, which is a bit seasonally smaller, as you will know. I'll try to shed some light on the margin improvement program, what you can expect with the currency dynamics we are encountering, and talk a bit about the 10% margin target as well. Giving you the big picture, summarizing what we think are the most important points. I'd like to start with concluding that we have a continued trend of positive developments for the quarter. We are flat from a sales point of view, currency adjusted, but we are up 22% on the operating income.

That pretty much continues the trend of what you have seen earlier throughout this year, which supports improving the operating margin with some 0.6 percentage points. What's behind that? In fact, all the three high-margin divisions are growing their sales, and that's positive. We also see that the Consumer Brands Division, being in a transformation turnaround situation, is able to mitigate the impact of the lower volumes and, in fact, reduce the seasonal loss in the quarter. We also see that the Accelerated Improvement Program continues to deliver very successfully, and, as I mentioned, I'll share some perspectives on that a bit later. We are increasingly facing headwinds in terms of currency. The quarter was about SEK 60 million negative currencies, and we see that being emphasized going forward. I'm coming back to that as well.

We have then identified further activities to mitigate the negative currency impact to support further margin improvement, but also to support market investments for the three divisions here in profitable growth mode. Looking at the numbers a bit. Currency-adjusted net sales are flat. We had the 22% I mentioned. You will see that that's on a year-to-date basis is equivalent to some SEK 600 million of result improvement and a one percentage point of improvement. If you try to understand the quarter on the group level, I think it's fair to say we had a favorable mix, and particularly, you will have noticed that the season for watering has been very favorable for us, and even more so down in Continental Europe. Scandinavia was a bit wet throughout July, but then has been quite nice a bit later on.

We saw the good weather establish, in fact, in Continental Europe already by end of quarter two and carrying on. That was a very favorable position for particularly Gardena. Not necessarily for the lawn-mowing equipment of Husqvarna, though, as you might imagine. There are a lot of dry gardens down in Continental European space. We have seen further material cost reductions in the quarter supporting it, but we have had adverse impacts from the lower production rates. We have been a bit high on the inventories trying to manage that inventory level, and I would say we are approaching previous years, but we aren't fully there yet. As you will realize, and particularly for the Consumer Brands with a strong volume decline, that's not an easy task to deal with. I would say we are doing a fairly good job on that side.

The SEK 60 million on the currency side. Looking into the divisions, Husqvarna, you could say maybe a bit of a disappointment in the quarter from a result point of view, but from a sales point of view, it's okay. It's plus 3%. I would like to emphasize particularly North America and an early sell-in of the winter products, the snow throwers, the snow blowers, which is good from a sales point of view, but not necessarily supporting us in the overall mix. You will also know that some of the profit pools are not as pronounced in the quarter 3 and the second half of the year as they are in the first half of the year. We have the mix from a result point of view, returning to that point.

We have the lower production volumes, we also have SEK 30 million of currency headwinds for the division. All in all, being SEK 100 million negative in the magnitude. I would like to draw your attention, though, rather to the year-to-date, because I think you get the wrong picture if you stare too much to the quarter. I don't think that's the right perspective. The right perspective is rather to look at the year-to-date. You will see sales with 5% up. You will see SEK 300 million of result improvement in the division. I think that's more a fair description of what's going on rather than the quarter as such. Gardena then, that is, of course, the big exclamation mark for us in the quarter. You will see the 19% of net sales increase, you will see the leverage, which is, of course, fantastic.

The reason for that being fantastic is, of course, the volume as such, number one, number two, the mix is extremely positive because this is growth in watering, it's also from the geography where we are the strongest price-wise. We're talking very much about the DACH region, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, I would like to include France. The Continental European space driving it, where pricing is also fairly strong. The slightly negative result from last year became a bit better than SEK 100 plus for the quarter. We're very pleased with that. For the year to date, 8% sales-wise up, very good number for Gardena, who's been a bit flattish the last few years. You will see the result improvement there also being significant, as well as the margin improvement.

Consumer Brands, very much along the same lines as we've seen before sales-wise, -18% versus the year to date of -17%. We continue the journey we've been on with shrinking to the profitable core and prioritizing value before volume. It's a bit harsher medicine that we are taking this year than we might have thought we would do a year ago, but it's for the greater good of the division, we believe. If we try to project what's going on from a sales development point of view, I think we are slowly leveling off now, moving into next year, then should be able to see positive developments definitely in 2017 onwards. Maybe a fairly flattish type of situation for 2016, then a more positive year for 2017, 2018.

We do not see any reason to change the previously communicated margin target of 5% 2018, but we stick to that. Whereas I have to admit that we had the intention of being even more positive for this year. We were striving for a break even, but due to the larger volume decline that is very much a result of proactive decisions, it is not fully in the cards. It doesn't change the longer period outlook. If we try to understand the sales decline a bit more, there's no real difference in the geographies. You will recall that the dominant share here is coming from the North American space, but the European part is declining, in fact, even a bit more. That's partly due to the back flip side of the coin, so to say, of the good weather.

The retail space within lawn care has been struggling a bit during the late part of the season with their inventories, and some of them have stopped purchasing. That is what we have seen. There is an element of that for the European space. I think the large message is lower in all geographies. Result-wise, very important with the material price reductions we carry on pursuing within the Accelerated Improvement Program. We have had a favorable mix in the division, but we're also fighting the headwinds of the currencies with SEK 30 million. All in all, I think to have managed then to reduce the seasonal loss, we are quite pleased with given those circumstances. You will see that the result for the year to date is not major difference really. It's fairly comparable.

I'd like to mention also that the lower production rates in the quarter will also have some knock-on effects into quarter four in terms of under absorption. Maybe you'd like to comment a bit further on that, Jan. Construction, pretty much along the lines of what you have seen. We have 7% net sales increase for the quarter compared to the year to date of 6%. Continue to be pulled by the North American cycle and demand, and still being slightly up in Europe, but very mixed picture. Some countries stick out a bit negatively here, like Switzerland, U.K., and not surprisingly, Greece and Russia as well. By and large, still as an average, a positive number there. Increase in the rest of the world driven by Brazil.

Brazil should be understood in the way that the end customer demand for what we do here, particularly in the diamond tools, is in North America. It's a lot of value add being done in South America. It's less the local market reflection here of that when we make that comment, but rather than driven by the end customer demand in North America. Australia, in fact, doing fine as well. Result-wise, of course, the volume impact from the sales, but also we are balancing because we're trying to be fairly aggressive in the market, pursuing a profitable growth scheme, expanding the sales capacity. Of course, we could have got even more results leverage should we not have chosen to do that. We think we're doing the right thing here, and we feel comfortable that we can continue on that path.

Construction is, in our group, the odd bird from a result point of view. You will realize we have less added values in North America. North America being the major sales increase, it's a favorable situation for us. What about the Accelerated Improvement Program? How are we doing with it? First of all, let's just recap the facts. We launched it quarter 3 2013. We said it's aiming at doubling the margins from 5%-10% by 2016. Activity-wise, we run it until end of this year, and then we will see the full year effect 2016. The first statement I'd like to make is the program is delivering even beyond what we were setting out to do. The main reasons for it being the cost out parts, the purchasing, the value engineering, and the SKU complexity reduction elements.

As well as the profit pool emphasis, so the mix improvement we have done. These are the major bits and pieces of the program. What you see here in the graphics is the rolling 12-month EBIT, and you will see that we have almost doubled that number in this period of time. That is a success, I think it's fair to say. If we would go back to 2013, look at the exchange rates we had at the time of the launch of the program, and look at the margin development now, taking away the inflation on the top line, nothing else. We take away the inflation on the top line. Then we would have a 9.5% margin.

I just want to give you some perspective on, in fact, that we are doing fine from what we could control here, but it is a bit disappointing to see that with the headwinds we are facing, this ends up being 8.2% as reported. That's the history. What about going forward, and what can we foresee? What we for sure know is that we have had a support from the hedges, currency hedges this year, which is in the magnitude of +SEK 350 million that we will not see next year. We will need to compensate for that through activities. If you would look at this, I would say, fairly proud increase of result, we will level off a bit for 2016.

I do believe we can compensate for the -SEK 350+ million of headwinds, but it is going to be a lot tougher for us, 2016, to show something that is looking like a positive development, and hence, it is not in the cards to reach the 10% operating margin for 2016. We will need to accept that that's going to be somewhat later. The result improvements we have seen have been with an underlying pace of SEK 500 million-SEK 700 million a year now for the last couple of years. We do not foresee that we can keep up that pace, because as you will realize, you do the easiest things first, and then it gets increasingly tough and difficult to get to it. We are at least confident that we should be able to compensate the negative influence of the hedges of the SEK 350+.

Exactly what we can do beyond that, I'm a bit cautious to say, because at the end of the day, we are also exposed to many other factors and influences that are external. The underlying rate of improvement should continue on that pace, let's say, give and take magnitude of the SEK 400 million or something. Which means moving on towards 2017-ish, we should be in better shape to talk about the 10% margin fulfillment. I want to be perfectly clear, we have not given up the target. We will get there, but it is delayed because of these reasons. It will require further measures beyond the Accelerated Improvement Programs. What we have talked about before that you will have heard me mention is continued cost out, and that very much relates to the direct material.

It is back to the purchasing and the value engineering in combination, maybe at a somewhat slower rate, though, than what we have been able to do during the last couple of years. Still, we will continue to pursue it. We will also give it a go at the indirect material costs. We will definitely scrutinize the logistics. We will look at the right sizing of the footprint, and you saw a release some weeks ago, which is, let's say, a smaller part of the overall scope we're dealing with, and we will also need to look into the SG&A efficiency to some extent. All those, together with the profit pool focus, is what should bring the yearly improvements of what I mentioned in the magnitude SEK 400 something million of result improvement. In parallel to that, we will also be working with the working capital and reduce that.

I think it's fair to say, in the reorganization that we undertook beginning of this year, we had some glitches in the sales and operations planning, resulting in a little bit of an inventory increase. It's an opportunity for us to deal with it even better. It's particularly like the point that the inventories, I think payables, receivables, have undergone a good continuous improvement. It's nothing wrong with them at all, but the inventories can be sharpened up through an even better planning process. That's what we're talking about, and the reasons you heard me mention why we do that. That's all clear. Why do I not communicate this as a program, then? The reason is because of the fact it's going to be very detailed if I start to do that.

I would have to tell you exactly the cost reduction elements, the market investments per division, et cetera, and you will all ask how much it's going to be into various divisions and why, et cetera. It is not a level of detail that we think is feasible for the external communication as such. That's why we avoid talking about this as a program. Of course, we are maintaining good practices from the Accelerated Improvement Program and putting it into this kind of environment as well going forward to safeguard that we have this under control. With that, I leave to Jan to make some comments on the financials.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Thank you, Kai. Before moving into the financials for the group, just taking a look on the gross profit development in SEK quarter by quarter, the last more or less two years now. We can see the impressive journey of the AIP program and the successful execution of the program. We should also remember that this is not with growth this has happened. It is the underlying quality of the business that is the reason behind this improvement. Of course, the objective is to continue this journey. As regard cost and cost out activities, there exist three ways to decrease the unit cost. Volume, which we said we had not seen much of as a group, but in different divisions, of course. We have continuous improvements or present situation.

When you're not able actually to get the result you want to achieve from these two measures, you come into structural changes or structural measures. That was what we announced here two weeks ago, one part of the structures measures we are actually taking. Moving over to the financial of the group, third quarter, we see the same trends as we have seen in the first half-year, except then for what was commented by Kai, the currency headwind here in the third quarter, minus SEK 60 million. We have been living for the first half-year with plus SEK 100 per quarter from currencies. Also, we must remember that this is seasonally, from a sales point of view, rather weak quarter compared to the start of the year.

Net sales for the group, we were into that, in nominal terms, up 8% in the quarter, in local currencies more or less zero, for the first nine months, SEK 30.5 billion. That is an increase of 11%, but if we take away the currency effect, it's actually down with 2%. Gross income, in the quarter, some SEK 110 million better than last year. First of all, Kai was into it, a positive product mix, especially then related to the watering products with the dry weather down in Central Europe. We should not remember, this was not achieved only by the weather. It was also a result of a continuous good work on increased points of sales out in the Gardena Division for some 12, 24 months now, also an achievement actually to produce what was needed in this situation.

Robotics volume is rather low in the quarter, but still, we saw a significant increase in robotics also in this third quarter. Then we have the divisional mix. We were into that. We have Husqvarna, Gardena and Construction with good profitability. They are increasing with 3%, 19%, and 7% currency adjusted in the quarter, respectively. Whereas we have Consumer Brand with a decrease of 18% of sales currency adjusted with lower profitability. Of course, that mix is impacting positively. We should remember, as Kai said, the impressive journey that actually Consumer Brand is doing, that despite then the 18% loss of volume, actually having a better result and a path of better result, these first three quarters. Headwind from currency is now coming. We saw it in the third quarter, minus SEK 30 million.

It's continuing for Consumer Brands, and it is a problem to mitigate the around 20% loss of volume, and that will be increasingly challenging, of course, to continue the journey of improving result that Consumer Brands has done now. AIP program, we were into that, mainly related to direct material in the quarter, but also despite the volume loss, a small contribution from lower per unit cost on the value-added side as well. Prices somewhat positively impact in the third quarter, whereas we had the negative currency headwind of SEK 60 million. SG&A, and if we also include then other in selling and administrative, we have an increase of around SEK 35 million, mainly related to currency once again. Of course, we have a footprint outside Sweden, which is quite substantial, and that gives a negative currency effect.

Beside of that, somewhat lower logistic costs compared to last year, and we also have other SG&A that are somewhat higher, but that is mainly related to conscious decisions to improve and increase our activity on the market side. Operating income, some SEK 405 million, improvement of SEK 75 million in the quarter, despite then the SEK 60 million of currency headwind. Strong operational improvement and also divisional mix effect. If we take a look on the first three quarters, SEK 3.2 billion of operating income, an improvement of SEK 600 million, and margin-wise, we are up one percentage units for the first three quarters compared to last year, we are up to 10.5%. Net income in the quarter, SEK 200 million, which is more or less the same as we had last year. Of course, since we had an improvement of operating income, what has happened?

Well, we had a higher income tax and its two effects. We have, first of all, a non-recurring item in the quarter, and of course, with the weak quarter that is sticking out, if you have a negative one-time effect. Then we have the fact that we were earning more taxable income in countries with higher tax rates than last year. That is also an effect why the tax rate is somewhat higher this quarter. Taking a look on the full year, we are at SEK 2.1 billion on net income. That is an improvement of SEK 350 million compared to last year. Talking about currencies. The balance sheet, of course, affected by currencies due to our U.S. footprint with the dollar effect and also with our Chinese footprint.

Taking a look on the operating working capital items, inventories, Kai was mentioning that we are around SEK 250 million higher than last year, currency adjusted. Trade receivables, more or less on the same level if we take out currencies, whereas accounts payable are somewhat lower. That is due to the fact of the lower activity level in our U.S. footprint. Subsequently, operating working capital as a total, it's slightly higher, and you will see it also in the working capital or in the cash flow that that has a negative effect for us. We have then also an increased net debt. We are at SEK 6.7 billion, some SEK 200 million more than last year, even though we had a quite strong cash flow quarter of SEK 1.5 billion, that affected the net debt positively, so it actually decreased in the quarter.

If we take a look on cash flow as such, we started off the year not as good as we have done in 2013 and 2014. We have tried to recover. We are still not there, but we have had some good 2 quarters, last 2 quarters now, and as I said, the third quarter showed SEK 1.5 billion of operating cash flow. That is SEK 200 million better than we saw last year. Now we are up at SEK 1.3 billion of operating cash flow for the first three quarters. We had around SEK 350 million of CapEx in the quarter, now we are at SEK 950 million of CapEx, which is more or less the same level as we had last year.

Mentioned net debt and the net debt to equity ratio, even though we have SEK 200 million more of net debt, we are at the same ratio, 0.5 as we were in end of September last year. That's, of course, also due to the fact that the equity has increased by the earnings. Key figures. Despite the improved earnings, we see that the key figures are partly offset by the increased working capital and also the fact that we see currency impacting some of the balance sheet items. If we exclude the goodwill write-down, which is the item that was affecting comparability, which we did in the fourth quarter last year, we can see that the profitability key ratios, return on capital employed and return on equity, are higher with some percentage units this third quarter than last year.

Also that we are somewhat less employees in the group. Average number of employees around 1,000 lower this year, and it is, of course, reflecting the volume decrease in U.S. and also the consolidation we have done in China, which was also announced after the second quarter. By that, Kai.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Thank you, Jan.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

I ask you to summarize.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

That leaves me going back to the summary. We have talked about the continued trend of good performance. We have talked about the high margin divisions continuing their sales growth. You will recall net sales growth for Husqvarna 5%, then for the year to date, Gardena 8%, Construction 6%. We talked about Consumer Brands' achievement of, in fact, mitigating the lower volume and reducing the seasonal loss being on par with last year's result. We talked about the Accelerated Improvement Program delivering really up to the mark and beyond. The currency problem for us increasingly in the third quarter.

The fourth quarter, we foresee SEK 80 million-SEK 90 million headwinds of currencies. The total effect we didn't talk about for 2016. For sure, we know we will not have the hedges supporting us, and that's some SEK 350 million right there that we need to compensate with additional measures. Those additional measures hopefully will support also some market investments and margin improvements going ahead. Looking at the near term, quarter four, yes, we have the SEK 80 million-SEK 90 million of the headwinds of the currencies. We have also fairly low production volumes, so it will be tough to balance last year. We are moving in that type of surrounding where we hope to do that, but it's not a confident comment to it as you hear from me now.

With the lower volumes, we also have less opportunity to compensate, so to say, through the Accelerated Improvement Program. The real interesting part of the story actually continues in quarter one and quarter two next year for us. I think that pretty much summarizes, and with that, I'd like to leave open for questions.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Microphone.

Okay.

Speaker 9

I have only [Anders] from SEB. I have two questions really. When you were talking about the countermeasures versus the currency headwind next year, you said something like SEK 400 million or so, that is the underlying improvement you are aiming for. Is that assuming flat market? Does volumes come in there or not really?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

That's a good question. It's a little element of positive volumes, but not any significant element of it.

Speaker 8

Also, actually, if we could have some guidance on the tax expectations going forward since it was significantly higher than usual this quarter.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

I think you should use the history as the benchmark because, as you said, it's a small quarter and even a small one-off effect gets the tax rate jump up. As I said, other effect was the country mix as well, and we do not expect that country mix to prevail.

Speaker 8

Right. Thank you.

Christer Magnergård
Analyst, DNB

Christer Magnergård from DNB. When it comes to the normal profitability for Gardena and Husqvarna in the third quarter, can you explain a bit what we should expect going forward? Gardena had a 12 percentage points improvement year-over-year. We don't see that too often in other companies. Can you maybe just give some guidance on what to expect in a normal environment for those two divisions in the third quarter?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

That's another good question. Gardena and the watering business is the most seasonal business of all our businesses to start with. You will see the largest variation there for sure, but it's a tough one. I haven't made the homework really, but if I would shoot a bit from the hip in response to it's probably half of that improvement that relates to the exceptional season. If you tend to agree.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

I think you're right. As you said, weather is very important.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Yeah. Say, it is a very special type of quarter for Gardena, it's a huge variation between a wet and a dry season, obviously.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

You asked about Husqvarna as well?

Christer Magnergård
Analyst, DNB

Yeah, exactly. Maybe also talk about the de-stocking effect in Q3 that you had this year.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

You want to give that?

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Kai was mentioning it. We are seeing what we were last year and see that we are closing the gap where we were, but we are not satisfied, so we will try to decrease stock, of course, but this is also a balance of pre-build and de-stocking. Let's see if we are successful to come to the same level we were at last year. Maybe we should reflect a little on Husqvarna as well, because last year's third quarter was actually very good. We are comparing the contrary to Gardena, a very good 2014 with the 2015 third quarter for Husqvarna division. One part is, of course, an explanation is the good quarter last year of the deterioration of around four percentage units of EBIT margin in Husqvarna.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Yeah. If you would normalize it, you would need to add something to this year's quarter, so to say. Yeah.

Christer Magnergård
Analyst, DNB

Thanks.

Speaker 8

Johan, Danske Bank. Again, on FX and next year. You're mentioning the lack of the support from hedges, of course, but if we look at how exchange rates stands today, could we get a view on the potential impact on 2016 earnings excluding hedges?

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Yeah, we are saying then that we have plus SEK 350 of hedges that we do not have. Of course, what will happen in first and second quarter, because that's very decisive for Husqvarna, because then it's what we're doing the most of our deals and net sales. We do not really know. It will be a slight negative effect on top of the hedges if we are where we are today. We will be in another situation when we come to this first and second quarter. That's the only thing I know.

Speaker 8

Perfect. Thank you. If I may, if you can give an update on the chain production.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

We are intending to start to ship out and start supply during 2016, we will see a ramp-up during a couple of years after 2016. Yes, there is a slight delay. To give you some feel for what's going on, I would say good quality, but we need to secure also the stability in the production processes and the quality. It's really to be seen in the quantities. To make one chain with quality is maybe, I shouldn't say easy, because that is to underestimate it, but that we are capable of, but we need to install the stability in the manufacturing process steps, and ramping up will be a more time-consuming matter to safeguard the consistency and the quality. Quality comes first is the long and short of my message, and we are a bit delayed.

There is no significant EBIT increment for 2016 to be installed in your spreadsheets, so to say. I think if counting it, being fairly neutral for 2016 and then starting to see the positive contributions from 2017.

Speaker 8

CapEx related to that and in total for 2016?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Not significant. The major parts have been executed. Yes, there are additional parts remaining, but that is not significant in the overall scheme of things. The bulk of the CapEx for the new chain manufacturing, it's behind us.

Speaker 8

For the group on CapEx?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

We talk about pretty much similar levels that we have seen this year, and in fact, last year.

Rasmus Engberg
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you. Rasmus Engberg with Handelsbanken. With regards to getting Consumer Brands towards 5%, now you're saying that maybe most of the sales decline has been had now, so we should sort of hope for a flattish or maybe a small loss for 2016, and then growing volumes taking you to 5% in 2018, so to speak. Is that?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

It's correct. It is volume, but it's also further efficiency improvements. We're talking about further cost outs and spec products to the price points. We're talking about the footprint of the manufacturing. We're talking about logistics. We're talking about improving the SG&A efficiency, how we go to market, and maybe particularly in the European space. The largest, I would say, volume exposure is rather in Europe than in U.S. for the next season, where we have been fairly price-aggressive this year, and still open to see how that plays out versus competitors and what positions they do take on that. By and large, we stand to the comment. We think the volumes are leveling off. A little bit of downside risk, particularly then related to the European part. All those measures that I mentioned should support improved result going forward.

Hopefully for 2017 onwards, we will see the volume contribution kick in. Because of course we are adding also bits and pieces to the range that will help look better. Not necessarily for the 2016 season, but then after that.

Rasmus Engberg
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Yeah. The question really is then that savings probably remains a larger part then, because the gross margins are, even if they improve, they're still going to be fairly low-ish, meaning that to add 5% EBIT margin is not really going to come from top line, is it?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

No, savings are still going to be the dominant element. That's correct.

Rasmus Engberg
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Okay, operator, can we open up for questions from the telephone audience, please?

Operator

Of course. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. That is star and one. The first question comes from the line of Johan Eliason from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please ask your question.

Johan Eliason
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, hi. I guess that was me, Johan Eliason on the Kepler Cheuvreux. Just one question. You are talking about this currency headwind of around SEK 350 million hedges running out for next year. Isn't there a tailwind coming on the raw materials for you? Have you given that all away on pricing? Can you say anything about that for next year?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

No, it's true. Your comment is correct. There is a slight upside tailwind from the raw materials, particularly on the steel side. The plastics is a much more trickier thing. It's spot prices. Can't really lock in those prices to any larger extent. Those manufacturers are normally pretty smart at creating bottlenecks, irrespective of the total volume. It's not so obvious that we will see the benefit on the plastic side. On the steel side, yes, there should be a small upside. Yes, correct. Not significant, though, in the overall scheme of things.

Johan Eliason
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

How does it relate to pricing in the next season?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

We try to avoid making the connection between the raw material prices and the product prices. We try to sell on the value of the products. It's always tricky if you start to argue with the raw material developments in terms of your pricing. That's something we normally avoid.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

What one can add also, this is Jan Ytterberg. One can add also that we were quite successful this year as regard plastics. We were actually producing when the plastics were at low levels. We have a tough benchmark next year.

Johan Eliason
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. What was the overall impact for raw materials on the EBIT line this year then in 2015?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

I don't think it is that significant, really, because in fact, we locked in the steel prices before part of the decline. All in all, if you would add all the raw materials together, you will not see a huge delta versus 2014. It's not part of any explanation that sticks out.

Johan Eliason
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

We have another question. It comes from the line of Kenneth Toll from Carnegie. Please ask your question.

Kenneth Toll Johansson
Analyst, Carnegie

Yes. My question is regarding this guidance for next year. The major currency moves occurred late last year and in the first quarter of this year. When many analysts did calculations on the FX effects and so on, we could see around when you reported the first quarter that it would be very tough for you to get to the 10% EBIT margin for those kind of headwinds from currency in your EBIT. You were pretty firm at that time saying that, "We are going to get to that 10%. If we get more headwinds, we're just going to need to do more, and that we will do." My question is, have those savings that come in this year come in at a slower pace? Why do you change your communication now, so to say, and not earlier?

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

Maybe Jan would like to comment. I could comment on that.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

You're perfectly right, Kenneth, that we have locked in a big part of the sales for the first and second quarter next year to the high, especially U.S. rates, that we saw in the beginning of the year and in the first half of the year. Of course, we were doing, and we are doing what we can to mitigate those effects by the AIP, but also by the new measures. We talked about it also after the first quarter, that Kai underlined once again. Of course, we are doing our best. We're trying to mitigate that, and until we are pretty sure that we will not do that, we will not go out and say we are giving up. We are not the first one to give up. We will be the last one.

Kenneth Toll Johansson
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you.

Kai Wärn
President and CEO, Husqvarna

It's not so good if the captain disembarks the ship first. I think you want to keep up the momentum, the pace, the program. There's a lot of people and activities being involved. If you give it up, you also lose momentum. You keep the pace, and you do your best. We have done that, and let me also add to that at the time, we hadn't locked in the contracts. We couldn't predict to any larger degree, and foresee what 2016 would look like. Now we can, then we feel it's our obligation to also share that with you, so to say.

Kenneth Toll Johansson
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

We have no further question coming through the telephone lines, Sam.

Jan Ytterberg
CFO, Husqvarna

Okay. Thank you very much for your attention and coming here. Bye-bye.