Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 16, 2021

Hello, and welcome to the ListCo Q2 Report 2021. Throughout the call, all participants will be in listen only mode. And afterwards, there will be a question and answer session. Just to remind you, this conference call is being recorded. Today, I am pleased to present Parth Waldemarsson, CEO and Therese Hofmann, CFO. Please begin your meeting. Thank you, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Lifeco Q2 presentation. I'd like to directly turn to Page number 2 in our investor presentation. And just on a very high level, conclude that this was a very strong quarter for Lifeco, with strong underlying market demand in, I would say, almost all our segments. And that resulted in a very strong sales development, organic growth of 34% in the quarter. Acquisitions contributed with 15% on the top line. And then we had a slight negative effect on exchange rates of about 3%. And I'd also like to continue. We have then obviously even stronger development on the EBITA numbers growing 79 In the quarter, obviously, the comparison numbers here from quarter 2 last year We're obviously fairly weak. We were quite affected in the early phase of the pandemic, especially in the dental area and also in the demolition tools area. And this year, we We see strong market condition across the board. But despite that, we are very satisfied with the results in this quarter. The strong EBITA number is obviously due to greater sales and operational leverage, combined with our acquisition Work that tends to help the margins. And then we are also in this quarter, as we've now been saying for quite some time, Seeing an effect of lower sales and marketing costs due to the pandemic. And already here I can mention that it's still not How that will develop in the future now when the societies are open up. So we are still having a close look at that, but also Open for all possibilities when it comes to this. Going further down in the numbers here, we have solid cash flow in the quarter. We're growing cash So despite that last year in the early part of the year and in the pandemic phase, we had a strong cash release in working capital. This year, we have a little bit of the other effect when the strong sales growth also leads to especially higher receivables as normal. But still very, very solid cash flow. And then we can turn to Page number 3 and go a little bit more into the different areas in Lifeco. If we start with the dental business area, this was the area where we had the most dramatic COVID effect last year, where basically all the markets We're very low level in April early May, and then it came back to more normal level in last year's June. This year, the market conditions We're more, I would say, normal. Even you can argue in some areas of dental, there could be some effects of Some stock buildup coming back in the customer end of the business because what happened last year was that All customers were keeping stock at lower level when the uncertainty in the lower market level was apparent. In this area, we have a very strong EBITDA development due to acquisitions and also due to the fact that we have lower sales and marketing costs also here. If we then move over to demolition tools, It's a very strong quarter. Coming in last year, we had more uncertain market conditions in the early phase of the pandemic. This year, we hit a very strong market condition across the board. I'd like to highlight already here that it is an area where Profits and sales can fluctuate quite a bit between quarters and also, obviously, over between years, depending on the underlying market conditions. And then if we go further and look at the profit level in Demensure Tools, it's also done Mainly due to operational leverage, but also here we have acquisitions helping us in this year. On top of that, we also have, in this very good quarter, also a positive effect for some Extra possible special products projects that, as most of you are aware of, can fluctuate and will fluctuate between quarters and even between years. So the Leisure Tools is a super good quarter, basically. In Systems Solutions, This was the area where we had relatively the least negative effect last year due to the pandemic. And also, this is the area where we grow the lead. This year, still very solid development. Most This is obviously an area with many different type of market exposure. But for the most part, it's good market conditions all over The Board, almost all of our companies are performing very well in this year. Last year, we had In the Q2, we had some companies that had some positive effect from COVID and some that had some negative effect. And this year, it's more flattening out the effects of this. But I also want to highlight here that still very good market conditions for the most part. The only area where we had some lower weaker development in the first half The year is in the forest area, where it's not so much correlated with the market conditions. It's more correlated with what type of projects We are checking in and how they are developing. So I'd like to remind everyone about the forest division here that it's not really a market driven It's by itself a volatile area that I've mentioned in previous calls. And then we can move From page number 3 to page number 5 and look a little bit at our balance sheet and mainly focusing on the net debt to EBITDA levels, We are now despite the fact that we've done record high acquisition pace the last 6 to 9 months, We are still at lower interest bearing net debt compared to the same period last year. Also, our total net activity It's lower than last year. So still a very solid financial position, which gives us room for further Acquisition opportunities if we find great companies to buy in the future. I'd also like to just highlight that last year, we did pay the dividend In the Q3 due to the pandemic, and this year we paid in Q2. So that's also something that shows that we are in a strong position here. And then we can move over to Page number 6 and just look at the high level and the long term history performance of Lifeco. And looking at the EBIT margin development since 2014, we have a continuous and gradual improvement of margins. And this is not a coincidence. We always strive to make our great niche companies even more niche and more differentiated and focus on the high margin part of every segment where we can. We have learned through many, many years that this builds greater barriers for our companies and better competitive situations. So This is a long term development. And what other drivers that helps our margin is obviously acquisitions. We have been, the last 7 years, acquiring on average Better quality companies with higher margins coming into LIFO. And then in the recent period, the very last year or so, we have also been Increasing our margins more than the normal due to the lower costs for sales and marketing due to the pandemic. But I think I'd like to remind everyone that it's not only that, it's also the long term strategy of Lifeco going in that direction. And then we can turn to the next page, number 7, And also more on the high level, remind everyone that we have a very high return on the capital employed, Especially on the right hand side, we measure it excluding the goodwill. This is basically looking at each individual company and summing up. And here you can see that we are now on record high levels also on return on capital employed. It's an indication that we buy and own High quality companies with great cash conversion, which is fundamental for our long term strategy of growing Lifeco gradually from acquisitions. And then we can actually move all the way back to Page 29, which is listing our acquisitions that were being carried out in the last 6 months. And it's quite a long list this time. We have carried out 14 acquisitions that have been Consolidated from January 1 or announced now in June. Some of them have not one of them have not been consolidated yet to be done in the next couple of weeks. And this activity of buying companies, of course, very fundamental for us. It's a key focus area for Lifeco. We involve Today, much more people in the work are doing this. I'm not talking only about acquisition dedicated people. We also involve a lot of our group managers Sitting in the subsidiary levels, in taking care of new companies and developing in these roles. Our target is to acquire very good companies with typically market leaders in small niches with very solid financial history. And then we, As always, stay very disciplined and strict to quality standards, but also valuations. This means that if you want to do this in a very long term perspective, which Lifeco is trying to do, we have a very long term perspective on this. It leads to a situation where sometimes we get great results that we had in this year. And some other times, it could be More lower activity because we are not forcing this and trying we're trying to avoid mistakes and we're trying to develop EFCO with high quality. And I often get the question of what is our pipeline and that's always difficult to predict because there's so many factors And so I'm unclear when the deal will happen or not happen. And we also are backing off quite often things that we don't feel fully comfortable about Open up for any questions about the development in the second quarter. Thank you. The first question comes from the line of Eric Cassell from ABG Sanddul Collier. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, good morning, Parel. So first off, in Demolition and Tools, Obviously, an exceptionally strong margin at 28%. But I would like to understand a bit better. So could you please help us bridge this margin uplift in terms of special orders margin accretion from M and A and OpEx savings. So understand how sustainable this is going forward. Yes. Well, I think this is the area where the operational leverage It's maybe most apparent. It's also because it's a quite volatile area as you've seen historically. So operational leverage It's clear that when we get these sales increase, we don't increase the fixed costs as much. So that's a key driver, obviously, I've always been a key driver where we have these periods of high growth. In this quarter, we have on top of that, the icing of the cake that we have This special project, it's not a huge amount in this quarter, but it's still a very high profitable Order basically that triggers the margin up even further. And then as you point, Jans, we also have acquired Some very high quality companies recently that then helps on the margin a little bit. And so this area It consists of different types of business. We have the box and leisure robots, which everyone knows it's a very high margin area. When they have Higher sales, it typically falls down to a lot of it to the profit level. Then we have the attachment area, which is a little bit more scattered. We have some areas of attachment with very high margins and some With very high margins and some with more, I would say, just good margins. So it's a little bit depending also where the strongest growth takes place in that segment. So But I think I'd like to repeat myself here. This was an exceptionally good market condition in this quarter and an exceptionally good basic outcome. And then on top of that, we have these lower sales and marketing activities. There's no trade shows taking place. There's no a lot of this, I would say, normal Marketing costs and sales costs that we typically will see are not happening this year. So there's so many things happening here in this. But Operational leverage is quite apparent thing here as well that we would see it in any year with this type of sales development. Thank you. That's very helpful. And I should say this is a Volatile segment, but and the markets as well. But do you have any indication that it could become worse in H2? Or do you expect it to continue at this level? I mean, as you look, we don't give any forward looking statement. I can only conclude that the market conditions up until today It's still very solid. And I think so right now, everything looks good. But how things would be in 2 or 3 months, it's not where we put our focus. We adapt our business to any market conditions. But so far, we don't see any change in the strong market outlook. And we're only 2 weeks into the new quarter. So it's very early to say anything about that. And I think the one thing we haven't talked about, which could be worth mentioning as well, is that we are With this type of high increase in demand, there's also, of course, a factor of making sure we get The delivery capacity up, and that's not only our own internal capacity, it's mainly also getting goods from the suppliers. So far, As you can see from our numbers, we've been able to deliver on the higher demand that we see. That's, of course, also a question If there will be problems later on in the fall due to the general business activity now that we see. So it's not only our Companies that are screaming for more components is a general thing in the whole world right now. So that's also an uncertainty that we don't know right now if that would play out Okay. Thank you. And then I'm a bit curious on a per country basis. You have obviously acquired a lot of great Companies over the past year. And sort of the Italian companies have come a large part and stand out in terms of margins and growth rates. So I'm sort of wondering if you're seeing a more rapid recovery in, for example, Italy, which is supporting the margin expansion And or if any other region stands out as well? So first, if we to answer the specific Italian If you look at the companies we've been acquiring into Italy, they are not so much exposed to Italy. They just happen to be located in Italy. They are great companies that are located In Northern typically Northern Italy, and they have a high level of international sales. So this is typically the companies we like to own, global Niche leaders. So I wouldn't say if we will in next year's figures also lift up Italian market exposure. You will see it's not increasing That's the same pace as our Italian acquisition list is adding because they all for the most part, very national leaders in their niches. So I don't think that's and when it comes to markets overall, we see pretty strong development across the board right now. I don't think this is A quarter where I want to lift any specific geographies. So it's pretty strong across the board. Okay. Thank you, Per. Good answer. And then you're still able to keep SG and A at a relatively low level despite the high volumes. And some of it Are, of course, short term savings, as you said, that should perhaps start to ramp again in HS2. And I know, of course, that you don't Given the guidance, but have you changed your perception in any way of the timing of these cost decreases and sort of the magnitude of costs that should come back going forward? No, I still think there's a big uncertainty around that. And I think it's partly we're not going to spend adding to our business, short term and long term. So it's a little bit unclear how we will act And it will be different by segments, different by companies. But there are certain parts of the business where I think we want to increase the sales and marketing, especially in the distribution business Where a close connection to customer is fundamental. It may be different if you have a totally unique product selling to a relatively stable base of customers that know you very well. Then it's maybe not a big rush. And I know you very well. Then it's maybe not a big rush. And if you're not launching any new product or very Radical new products, maybe you don't need to push extreme amount of exhibitions or other type of activities. So it will be very different. But I keep a conservative approach on this. Until we know more, we have to assume that maybe not all, but a part of this Costs will come back. If it will come back in next quarter, I don't think fully because it will take some time to ramp this up due to COVID and all that. So it will gradually take some time, but it's difficult to answer in a more specific way. It's so different by company level. And we are a very decentralized Organization, we are our success is based on rational local management making rational decisions. So they will not spend money if it's not Adding value to the business, but how that will develop, it's still an unknown factor for us. Okay. Thank you very much. Very helpful. And congratulations on the very impressive quarter. I'll jump back in queue. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Karl Rangnestam from Nordea. Please go ahead. Your line is open. It's Karl here from Nordea. A couple of questions from my side. First of all, maybe we touched comment a bit, but on demolition of tools, I mean, when at least looking at construction indicators, it seems like demand accelerate Towards the end of the quarter, I mean, is would you say that it is a fair assumption for your business as well? No, I think we've been seeing the strong market condition now for quite some time. And for us, for our type of companies, it's not It's not a couple of weeks indicators that lead to this. It's a longer period of Increased demand combined with a much better sentiment. People are willing to invest also in the more Expensive capital goods right now, which we saw in this quarter, which was not the case maybe 9 months ago when we started to see The increased activity in the underlying markets. Yes, I wouldn't say that it's a 2 week factor here. It's been strong throughout Throughout the quite some time. And there is, of course, a little bit of effect that if we get good orders in March, you don't see that fully in Q1 that comes into Q2 and so forth. But it's not enormously long order book, but there's still a little bit of that effect. The market levels have been Quite strong now for a period of months, I would say. And also on the cost ramp up. I mean, How much cost have you started? What selling activities or marketing activities have you started already during Q2? Well, it's been very difficult to do normal sales and marketing, traveling. And in some companies, very localized, they've been doing a little bit of that, but Back to normal, where some others are still on a very low level. And once again, I'd like to remind you that we are in a business to business type of environment. Most of our companies have ongoing relationships. So short term, sales can be great without any activities. It's more than long development that we're talking about for the most part, obviously. We have some exceptions where we have more where you need to do Very active sales and marketing to get sales here and now. But for the most part, that's not required. So still in Q2, it was on a very low level. It's still Restriction has been in place for the most part. And also given, I mean, the general market discussion on Component issues or calls, yes. I mean, would you say that your companies might have been fueled at least to some There is some of that in certain parts of our business. But I think for the most part, no, it's real underlying demand For the most part, that's been strong in this quarter. And what part of your business do you see it? Where you would see that it could be like a spot filled up. I think given that we don't have, for the most part, very long order I don't think that's right. What might be a factor also helping demand a little bit now is that there's a constant Price increase effect in this year is not only for us. You can read any report that is a factor now. So it could be that some orders Or being pushed in a bit earlier around that. But I think this quarter would have been good no matter what because the underlying market conditions were good This quarter, but I don't think that effect is enormous. But whether the markets will be this strong going forward is, of course, a big, Big question, Mark. And answer to this. And on the raw material side, we have seen most raw materials rally during last And also into this year, you're obviously good at raising prices. But have you seen any impact on margins? It doesn't seem like that at least. And also, should we even consider an impact in the coming quarters from that part? So in this quarter, we see very little effect obviously around that. And that's mainly because I think the price increasing is shifting The delivery is out from our companies more right now than it did maybe 3 months ago. So it's coming right now. And then we are, as you say, we are, of course, Adapting our prices continuously in all our companies. And there will be there is a little bit of risk, but I cannot quantify that fully. But there's, of course, in some companies At least that you will have a lag of a few months due to existing order books, due to promises to distributors that you long term want to Value the customers and the partners business partners that there could be a time lag. But as you pointed out, we are in a For the most part in our company, we have so strong positions that we should be able to carry this forward. But the timing effect In a very short perspective, it's of course difficult to judge. And I think the effect is coming maybe more now in the 3rd Q4 around this. Okay. But it sounds at least like no major drama in the raw material side. Is it fair enough? No, but there is I mean, there is The prices are going up, but we are adapting. And then the timing effect in a short period could hit us potentially, but it's not going to be Any long term effect, the way I look at it right now. And which market or which segment did you see the sort of The biggest risk of a hit where you see sort of locked in orders where you're not able to where you don't have clauses, for instance? But I think we have the most for the most part, we are very quick and flexible around that. But there are some areas, For example, if you take one example is a project business area, which is not the biggest part of Lifeco, but that's one example of where you have Longer order books, you have commitments and prepayments for customers and agreements that makes it basically impossible to adapt due to the prepayment condition and all that. So that's an area but that's a very small part of Liqpay. Now there, we have the problems are more related To distributors giving out orders, taking orders, having an order book and then for us to squeeze our distributors Short term base, maybe not the right long term solution. So then maybe we have to take a little bit in those areas. But for the most part, This should be matter only. We have strong positions and we have not huge order books. So I'm talking about more a couple of months, I think, that could Could be a problem. But it is more speculation also from my side. So I don't want to overemphasize. I'm just lifting a potential situation that might arise. We haven't seen that yet. And the same thing to follow-up on this, the same thing goes for the delivery problems that might arise. We still have been able to scramble around. I think our decentralized model is very good because our subsidiary CEOs have now changed their mindset into putting a lot of Focus on getting components into their houses so they can ship the goods out to customers. So that's I think our diesel model is very good. But that's also another Thank you. There will now be a further pause while any further questions are being registered. We have no further questions, so I will pass back for any closing comments. Yes. Thank you very much for calling in, And I wish everyone a nice weekend and also a nice summer period. And we talk later on in the year. Thanks very much. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect your lines.