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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 18, 2026

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Good afternoon, and welcome to Orrön Energy's Capital Markets Day. Today, we will be joined by our CEO, Daniel Fitzgerald, CFO, Espen Hennie, and Commercial Director, Axel Wikner, who will present the 2025 results and the latest strategy of Orrön Energy. We will finish the presentation with a Q&A session, so please feel free to send across questions as you go along, and we will collect and go through them at the end. And with that, I would like to hand over to Daniel Fitzgerald to kick off this presentation.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Thank you, Jenny, and welcome to all those joining here and online for our capital markets update and Q4 results. This is now our fourth time we're doing this for the capital markets update, and we'll be able to share our results in Q4 and for the full year 2025, and then a little bit more insight into the business as we move forward into 2026. I'll be joined today by Axel Wikner, who'll run through the greenfield development, which is a growing part of our business and an exciting part this year as we look into seeing some more recurring revenues from the project development side in Germany and the U.K. And I'll also be joined by Espen, who'll cover the financials for today.

In terms of looking at our overall business, I think from a high-level perspective, it is quite a simple business and strategy to understand. We have 380 MW of producing assets in the Nordics. We have a large-scale development pipeline, and we're fully funded for growth. When I look deeper than that, it gets a little bit more complex as to how we're operating in a really evolving energy landscape. As we move more and more into renewable penetration in each market in which we operate, we have to evolve. We have to change the ways we operate. We trade power, sell power, and balance our energy systems, and that's something that I'm really proud of the team in 2025 for building that flexibility into our operating domain, and we'll touch on that a little bit in the presentation.

That part of our business is the core part that's the cash-generating arm today. It's delivering long-term, steady revenues into the business and underpins the finance facility that we use to fund some more of our equity and growth capital across our business. So, that really is an important part, and excited to say that 2026 is already looking a little bit more positive than what we've seen over the last one or two years, with strong pricing in the Nordics. Unfortunately, some cold weather, as some of you have mentioned today, but on the business side, it gives us a lot of revenues already year to date compared to what we've seen in the last one or two years.

When I move at the, into the large-scale development pipeline, we started this business in 2023 and signed our first projects and opportunities, and the second half of last year, we started delivering revenues out of that from Germany. Really happy with what the teams have built, and this, this is going to be a core part of our business that starts to emerge with recurring cash flows and will start to build a bit more scale across that over the coming years. So, Axel will go into a bit more detail on that pipeline, but I'm really proud of what the teams have been able to achieve and the start of what is going to be a, a recurring set of revenues and real value creation coming out of that part of the business.

Then Espen's role is to ensure we remain fully funded, to make sure that we have opportunities to grow. Although we have seen a slower period in 2024 and 2025 in terms of M&A, pleased to see that we're seeing a lot more transactions coming to market this year. I think buyers and sellers are coming closer together in terms of expectations, and we're starting to see more M&A coming forwards. So, really important that we have that funding line behind us to go and grow this business. I don't believe we should exist in the same size and scale if we look forward two or three years. We need to be much bigger.

We need a stronger level of recurring cash flows and some more legs to stand on in terms of value creation, and that funding set allows us to do that from within our own means. If we take a step back into 2025 and look at the highlights for the year, there's no doubt that 2025 was a challenging year for all renewable entities in the Nordics. We saw continued low and volatile pricing. We've seen higher balancing costs coming through the year, and that's changing the way in which we operate our business. We've seen relatively weak pricing through 2025, below the LCOE of new wind coming on stream, and that's impacting the investment decisions across the sector.

For us, we delivered 839 GWh of production in the year, impacted by weather on one hand and some of the price curtailment on the other. Our revenues, we achieved EUR 34 million of revenues at 36 EUR/MWh achieved price, which is lower than where any of the price forecasters are putting forward their views on the market long term, and significantly lower than where we see futures pricing already in 2026.

That led to a slightly negative EBITDA of EUR 2 million, noting that we had EUR 7 million still of ongoing costs linked to the Sudan case, and that's down to almost half of that level at EUR 4 million this year, and we expect to see the conclusion of that case towards the end of this year, which will significantly lift the revenues of the company if nothing else changes from 2025. Net debt of EUR 89 million, and importantly, at the end of last year, we realized our first sales from our greenfield platform. We'll touch on that as we go through the presentation, but that really is the start of what we see as a recurring revenue stream.

We realized EUR 4 million of that at the end of last year, and we have EUR 14 million of that still to come over this year and next, of which some has already been received early in this year. So, as we look then forward to 2026, I see a much stronger start to the year. Year to date already, we've seen system price in January of around 100 EUR/MWh. Achieved price for us, around 80 EUR/MWh of that, so significantly north of where we saw the entire year last year. We have hedged a portion of volumes as the futures price has increased, and that gives us protection to the downside. But if we just forecast that flat futures price into our long-term cash flows, we have a significantly different business to where we're trading today on the share price.

As I touched on with Sudan, it is really a pivotal year for the company with Sudan. We're going to see the end of the trial in May, and then we're going to see a verdict, most likely late Q3 or Q4. We'll know more once the trial concludes in the district court. We'll know exactly when that verdict is going to be published. What that means for us is our ongoing cost link to Sudan are down to EUR 4 million for this year, and as of the middle of this year, we will see that dropping to very little cost. My view on the verdict has remained unchanged for many years, and now that we've heard all of the evidence in the case, I don't expect anything to come that would change that view.

We will reach a full acquittal at the end of the year. Importantly for us, I think the trading in the share today is mostly through the retail arm of the market, and we have some institutions still in there, but there's a range of institutions who are waiting until we see the end of this case. As we go into the latter part of the year, I think for us anyway, delivering on the production volumes, delivering on a stronger Nordic price, seeing the recurring revenues coming out of the greenfield business and the end of the Sudan trial, it really opens up a new phase for the company as we exit the year.

New institutional owners in the share, the equity comes back on the table as an option to use to grow this company accretively, and there's so many more tools with a much stronger platform behind us. So, I really see 2026 as an important formative year for the company, where we put some of the old legacy issues behind us and then really see the recurring revenues coming out of the greenfield business and operating business. A very short recap on our Nordic operations and overview. We have 1,000 GWh of production spread primarily across SE3, SE4, and Finland, in some of the higher priced regions, and we tend to take a premium to the system price because of that location.

We have a range of assets that have grid connections secured today, that have land positions secured, and in our view, that asset base should be perpetual in its lifetime. We should be able to repower, extend lives. We should be able to add combined batteries and operational sites on the same grid connection, and so that work is ongoing day-to-day in the Nordics. That's coupled with a greenfield portfolio of around 1 GW, and today, we're seeing a lot of value in the flexibility space. As I look at this asset base and renewables, we should be producing renewables as close to a base load generator as we possibly can.

We need to add storage, we need to add flexibility, and I'm proud of what the operating teams in the Nordics have been able to do through the course of 2024 and 2025 in expanding that flexibility across our business. Today, there's limited value in some of the new build solar and wind across the Nordics, but that's going to change over time. We see with the increase in flexibility, we're going to see value coming back into that part of the sector, and so, we really need to build, continue to build that foundation for the future. The last pillar in the Nordics is on the M&A side, and we have acquired 500 GWh since the inception of the company. A little bit quieter in 2025, but I see deals coming back into the market at accretive levels this year.

Consolidation is really important across the sector now. There's a number of players of our size and scale where it makes sense to combine. We're seeing that with Aneo, who have stepped into a range of transactions. We've seen some of the, our public peers stepping off the market, and so it is getting to a smaller space, but there is consolidation still to do on the operating side. With the financing behind us, I see us moving more and more in that space this year. Stepping into the power generation side of the business, which really is the core cash-generating arm of the company.

We delivered 839 GWh of production, and you can see the seasonality on the left-hand side of the graph here, where we produce more in the winter months in stronger pricing and a little bit less in the summer months. Importantly, as we look over to the right-hand side, we've seen two years of quite difficult conditions in the Nordics. If I look at 2025 alone, we curtailed around 240 GWh worth of production, either through poorer weather than average or through price curtailments. So, that weak pricing, especially through the summer of last year, has led us to shut down production when prices have been below our variable cost of production.

When we look at our asset base on a long-term average, we should be producing around 1,000 GWh, which is where the technical potential of this asset base is. We've given guidance this year or a forecast this year of between 800 and 950 GWh, and that assumes we have 130 GWh worth of curtailment, with some spread because of weather conditions. If I look at what's happened already year to date, we've had very little, if not no price curtailment with the futures price as it is. That's going to impact this production guidance, and we'll be able to share more as we go through the year based on how the weather conditions evolve and where we see the market pricing.

But centering around that thousand, if we look at the long-term potential of the company, we should be forecasting around that thousand level and then moving year to year, depending on the market conditions. Within our operating business, I touched on this a little bit before around how we should operate and how we should think about the power generation from our business. And more and more today, we need to be flexible in how we produce our power and sell our power. When it comes to pricing, we need to be price-dependent bidding, so, as prices are low or below our variable costs, we need to manage our production levels. On the other side, we saw spiking balancing costs through 2025, and that's impacted our ability to earn strong revenues in those months.

On some of our assets, we've implemented the ability to steer the output of our turbines and reduce our impact on balancing, and that also allows us to earn revenues from the ancillary markets on FCR-D up and down, on mFRR and some of the balancing side. So, when I look at a renewable asset in the future, we should have the ability to participate, not only in the sale of energy, we should be participating in ancillary services, providing balancing services, and steering our output to manage our economics from that asset. The addition of batteries into that sector is really important, I think, as we move forward, where we can take control of the revenue side of the equation and the cost side of the equation.

And again, I'm proud of what the teams have been able to do across our Nordic business in implementing the solutions we need, and then operating and trading the power in the right way to maximize revenues, and that's gonna make us more resilient as we move forward through the future. We've also focused on OpEx, where we've seen some increase in the underlying OpEx costs. We've also pulled costs out of the business through some of this. So, when I look at how we're touching and operating our asset base, that has evolved over the course of the last two years.

Now that we see stronger pricing this year, our ability to really squeeze more from the assets is going to be important going forwards, and it gives us another edge in the M&A discussion to be able to add more flexibility into assets where they don't have that today. So, I see this as it's core business for us. It's really important to maintain this, and even more important when we look at how renewables should behave in the market in the future. I won't steal all of Axel's thunder on the greenfield development side, but it has been another fantastic year for greenfield development. Germany is really leading in this regard. We sold at the end of last year 300 MW of projects at an average price of around EUR 55,000 per MW installed.

We'll receive those proceeds in milestone payments between now and ready to build, and that total package is worth around EUR 18 million. So , in essence, if I multiply that through into the right-hand side of this slide, where we have around 6 gigawatts of projects in Germany, a mix of solar and batteries, we have a fantastic pipeline that's now starting to come more often to market. As of the start of this year, we have just shy of 300 megawatts that's ready to move into the sales process. We have an ongoing sales process now, which we should see more results from in either late Q1 or into Q2, and then I expect the rest of that 300 to hit the market.

Behind that, we have another GW that's going through the late-stage municipal discussions now and becomes the feeder funnel for what's coming in this greenfield pipeline. So, if I look across Germany, and it's we get pushed a lot from investors and analysts to give them a number in terms of what we're going to sell and when. I'm sure there'll be a few questions today. But if we look at what we did in 2025 for Germany, I think that's the minimum of what we should expect going forward. The ability to sell around 300 MW a year is easily supportable by the pipeline and by what we have in quite late stages, at similar multiples to what we've put forward.

The EUR 18 million we expect to achieve over 2026 and 2027, obviously subject to hitting milestones, but that sort of magnitude then becomes an important recurring cash flow for our business. When I look at the U.K., we've secured Gate 2 grid applications for around 3 GW of projects, split between data centers and solar. When I look at the potential magnitude of the revenues from that, it becomes a game changer for the company and material in terms of the market cap. And Axel will touch on that a little bit more in his slides, and we should start to see some revenues from the U.K. later this year. Putting all of that business together with a view on the overall cash flow of the business, on the left-hand side, you see the operating core of the business, clean of any greenfield proceeds.

Between EUR 40 and EUR 60 per MWh, we earn between EUR 40 million and EUR 60 million of revenues from that part of the business on our long-term forecasts. In terms of converting into to free cash flow, we see somewhere between EUR 10 million and EUR 30 million of free cash flow out of that part of the business long term. If we look at a futures price this year of around EUR 60/MWh, we sit somewhere in the base case for this at around EUR 50/MWh achieved. We're centering around that as of this year.

If I look forwards at any of the price forecasters, price decks that we use to gauge the longer term of the business, and investors and banks use the same third-party ones, we're sitting at around that 60 EUR per MWh system price across the board. So, it really is a strong, long-term, recurring flat cashflow out of our producing assets. And if I take just what we divested last year and assume that we're able to do that year-on-year, we're adding a very high EBITDA conversion on that business and a lot of recurring cashflow coming out that could double what we've put forward on this.

And when I look at the market cap of the business today, it really is a fraction of where our value is, and we can earn our market cap in a very short space of time before we even touch any of the upsides in the UK business, the data center business, or the flexible battery side of the business in Germany. So, it really is a strong platform. We've had two years of lower performance than we'd like in 2024 and 2025, and 2026 is starting in the right way. And it needs no mention, but this is a sustainable business. If I look at our ESG performance and our ESG rankings, we rank up there at the top of the industry in terms of sustainability, validated by Sustainalytics and ISS. We had no material incidents in 2025.

We were carbon neutral across our Scope 1 and 2 emissions, and even of the Scope 1 emissions, we've seen a large reduction in performance based on 2025's numbers. We are releasing, for the first time, some more detail around Taxonomy alignment, and pleased to say that we've we rank very, very highly in terms of our investments on the taxonomy side and the Taxonomy alignment. So, this really is a sustainable platform as we look at how we produce and how we operate our business. Then stepping forward into 2026 and what we expect from this year. We expect between 800 and 950 GWh of production, and that range, we've delivered within that range for the last two years.

If anything, based on year-to-date performance, it's probably a little bit conservative when we look at the potential of the assets, given the pricing we've seen. In that range, we also have production curtailment based on low pricing, to the same level of, of what we saw last year. So, we will see and guide the market as we go through the year on how the evolution of weather conditions and curtailment looks. In terms of our cost base, very similar in a large regard to last year, so we expect around EUR 19 million of OpEx, in line with, what we delivered last year, and G&A expenditure of EUR 8 million.

We saved around 1 million of G&A costs through the course of last year, and we're sustaining those savings as we go forward, which has been really important in the low-priced environments that we have seen. Really importantly, the Sudan legal cost is dropping by EUR 3 million, down to EUR 4 million, and as of end of this year, we forecast no ongoing Sudan legal costs based on the positive outcome from the district courts. Our capital expenditure is EUR 11 million, so, EUR million less than last year, but I expect this capital expenditure to be fully funded out of revenues from greenfield. And those we haven't forecast in any of our cash flows for this year, and Espen will share a little bit more detail on the underlying cash generation of the business.

And so, with that, I'll pass over to Axel for a review of the greenfield development, and then I'll come back at the end for a few concluding remarks.

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Thank you. 2025 marked a step change in maturity, scale, and opportunity for our greenfield development business. Our multi-gigawatt platform across U.K., Germany, and France delivered its first divestments of 310 MW during the year. This strong track record is the result of the outstanding development teams we've established throughout these three countries. We have all the competencies we need to be successful in the short, medium, and long term, and we cover everything from GIS, land acquisition, permitting, and even into construction competences. On the back of this strong performance, we've been able to move from originating opportunity into capitalizing on that opportunity.

Starting with a look at 2025 and the performance from Germany in that year, we divested a total of 310 MW for up to EUR 80 million in total consideration. These divestments were split between two transactions. The first transaction was a single asset agro PV project signed in July. Total consideration of EUR 4 million, of which EUR 2 million were paid at closing, also in July, and EUR 2 million contingent on approval of the zoning plan and Solar Package 1 or equivalent legislation in Germany. The second transaction was a portfolio transaction signed in December for 3 agro PV projects. Total consideration for that second transaction was up to EUR 14 million.

Under the milestone structure, we will have received 40% of the total consideration, as the projects reach ready to permit or RTP, and we will receive 60% of the total consideration as these projects reach ready to build or RTB. We expect all 3 projects to reach RTP this year and RTB next year, subject to favorable municipal approvals and grid reservations. Year to date, we have already received EUR 1.6 million for the first project of 93 MW. These divestments are of course important from a revenue and cash flow perspective, but they're also an important validation of our business model, and they show that there is a deep and competitive buyer universe for our projects.

You can also use these transactions as a proxy to estimate the value of our broader pipeline, which comes after these first divestments. We have seen a bit of a shift in the market from single project divestments into more portfolio-type transactions, and we will continue to stay close to the pulse on that and remain flexible in our approach to capitalize value. Looking ahead at 2026, we now have an advanced pipeline, which enables this recurring revenue element. This is the first time since inception for this business, where we have the combination of scale and maturity, and it offers us very interesting opportunities to crystallize value. We have a total pipeline of 6 GW.

It's spread roughly, one third on solar and two thirds on, battery projects. Out of the solar portion, we have, 1.3 GW of Agri-PV projects with at least land reserved, and indication of grid availability. Out of those 1.3 GW, we have 280 MW, where we have already received the municipal approvals. And in that, category of projects, we also have the 90 MW, which have reached RTP and where we have an ongoing, sales process. I'm very conscious there's, there's a lot of numbers here, but I still want to stick with this 280 number for, for a little bit longer. And if we, go back just one year from, today at the Capital Markets Day, last year, the megawatts in that category was, 0.

I think that gives a good indication of the scale and maturity we have today compared to just 1 year back. It's also a good way of looking ahead, what you can expect from 2026 and beyond. The combination of scale and maturity supports this view that we will now get recurring revenues from this part of the business. In addition to the solar projects, we have a multi-GW battery pipeline where 900 MW have also secured the municipal approvals. These are large-scale transmission-connected projects, and we're in close contact with the transmission system operator. We expect grid offers for these projects late this year or early next year. Once we have the grid offers, we're ready to go to market with these projects.

So, to conclude, Germany remains a core value, core engine of value creation for us, both in the near and medium term. The combination of scale and maturity, and our flexible approach to value creation means that we're well-positioned for a strong 2026. Moving to the UK, we've been able to secure a successful outcome of the UK grid reform. We have a total capacity of 2.9 GW of projects now at the RTP with both land and grid secured. We expect to receive the final connection details in the second half of 2026.

We have started exploring divestment options, in particular on the solar side, but we're also recognizing the fact that we may want to wait until triggering those divestments until we have the final connection details to maximize the value out of those projects. So, looking at the solar side, it's a total capacity of 1.8 GW. You will see the capacity split per the three projects listed in the presentation. So, one project in Devon, two projects just north of London. We have completed the pre-permit work for all these projects, and we're ready to either divest or run into permitting.

On the data center side, we've secured 1.1 GW of capacity, and we've done so, as data center projects have moved from being IT projects into power projects. That's a change that has been triggered by the radical increase in power consumption of these data centers. Just a few years back, a big data center would be 5 or maybe 10 MW. Today, you can easily see several hundred MW of capacity on these data centers or even GW scale. That means that the power side, where we are very, very confident and well-placed to deliver, becomes more and more important. Same thing here, 2 data centers are just north of London, and one is in the East Midlands.

We also have the optionality to offer the ultimate data center operator private wire options for solar and battery projects as a value add, but we're not looking to operate this project. So, it's the similar or the same strategy as we have with our wider development platform, where we're looking to divest before large capital commitments. In addition to these 6 projects, 3 solar projects, 3 data center projects, we have a multi-gigawatt pipeline of additional solar and battery projects with land secured and well-positioned for future grid application windows as and when the capacity limits change. So overall, we're in a good position in the U.K. with a strong portfolio coming out of the grid reform.

We do expect some value recognition from the fact that grid connections, in particular for solar, are now scarce following the capacity limitations imposed by the U.K. regulator. So, to conclude, we see that our model works, it's repeatable, and it's scalable as we've been moving from first sales to recurring revenues. Our initial divestments of 310 MW validate our business model, and we have 90 MW in addition in an ongoing sales process. After that, we have a large pipeline of 3 GW of near-term solar opportunities across Germany and the U.K., which we will take to market in the coming period. As I've touched upon, these divestments are important from a monetary perspective, but they also validate the quality of the projects.

We see that we've through external validation, as part of the first project sales, have developed these projects best in class. Looking ahead to 2026 and beyond, we now have up to EUR 14 million in contracted revenues from prior divestments, and our development teams are now focused on delivering to unlock those revenues. We expect multiple additional project divestments annually going forward. The combination of our large-scale pipeline, as well as track record from divestments signed to date, makes us confident that we can deliver a strong return on capital in this part of the business. So, to conclude, we have moved from investment mode to value realization mode.

With the business being validated with scale and maturity, we're now well-positioned to crystallize value near term and achieve annual recurring revenues going forward. With that, I'll hand over to Espen. Thank you.

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Thank you, Axel. Good afternoon, everyone. We'll go through the Q4 financial performance, also touch upon the outlook for 2026. Before I kick off, I just want to sort of repeat and emphasize what my colleagues have said here before me, that it's been a very, very strong start to the year, 2026. We are now seeing power prices at levels we haven't observed since 2022. Very solid momentum within the greenfield business, on the back of our first divestments, which we announced last year, as you heard Axel go through, just now. And lastly, as we all know, the next quarter or in three months' time, the trial will end in the Sudan legal case, and we expect a verdict during second half.

So, lots of things to be excited about for the coming quarters. If we start then with some financial highlights for the fourth quarter of 2025, power generation was 226 GWh during the quarter, impacted by low wind speeds throughout the quarter. But on the other hand, achieved price was significantly stronger than the preceding quarter and also higher on a year-over-year comparison. This translated into quarterly revenues of EUR 11 million during Q4, which includes EUR 2 million of revenues from project sales, and a corresponding EBITDA of EUR 3 million during Q4. Important to remember that in that EUR 3 million of EBITDA in Q4, we do include EUR 2 million of Sudan legal costs.

As you know, you know, from second half of this year, we don't expect those costs to occur going forward. Our strong balance sheet and financial resilience is also highlighted here. Ended the year with a net debt position of EUR 89 million, compared to a total debt facility of EUR 170 million, which provides then more than EUR 80 million of available liquidity to fund both our planned activities and also support future growth initiatives. A quick look at some key financial metrics for Q4 and also the preceding quarters, going back to the same quarter in 2024. If you start with revenues, you can see there was a significant uptick compared to the previous quarter, explained by both higher volumes and stronger pricing.

Also year-over-year, if you adjust for the revenues from project sales, we achieved revenues in line with what we had in Q4 2024. So, the lower volumes in Q4 2025 was fully offset then by a stronger achieved price. And you can see the same pattern also in our EBITDA, with a significant improvement quarter-over-quarter and a in-line performance year-over-year when you adjust for the project sale revenues. A quick look at our achieved price during 2025, for the full year. So, the average system price was 40 EUR/MWh in the Nordic region, whereas the average spot price for our portfolio was 46 EUR/MWh.

So, that's a quite healthy premium of 15%, due to the favorable location of our assets, with the majority being in SE3 and SE4 in Sweden, which typically then enjoys a premium pricing compared to the Nordic average system price. For the full year, our other revenues and hedging impact was sort of in combination a wash. And then we deduct the capture price discount, which came in at 22% for 2025 to achieve to then at end up at achieved price of 36 EUR per MWh for 2025. And our achieved price, especially on a quarterly basis, is made up of quite a few moving parts, which can be hard to predict and can be quite volatile quarter-over-quarter.

But if you take a step back and look at the, you know, the most important factors that determine our achieved price relative to the system price on a more sort of longer term outlook, it is what we have listed on the slide here. Then we need to focus on our portfolio's premium to the system price, and it is the Capture price discount, which is namely the difference between the base load price and, and the achieved price. If you start by the portfolio premium to the system price, as I said, we have enjoyed a very solid premium. And if you look at historic data, it was, more than 20% in 2024 and 15% in 2025.

Again, due to the favorable geographical location of our assets, it's fair to assume also a persistent premium going forward on average. When it comes to the capture price discount, we have seen an improvement from 2024 to 2025, so, a lower discount to 2025, 22% for the full year on average. We do expect, you know, for 2026 and the short to medium term, we expect the capture price discount to stay quite close to the level that we averaged on in 2025, so in the 20%-25% range.

And what this means then is if you combine the portfolio premium and the capture price discount, on average, you should expect our achieved price for the full portfolio to be within 10% of the Nordic system price, before any hedging impact. And obviously, this will fluctuate on a yearly basis. We'll have some years which can be even higher or lower, but as a long-term average, and keeping in mind that we have a couple of decades left of power generation and cash flow generation from our assets, I think this is a very reasonable assumption for achieved price outlook. Then, our cash flow during the quarter and net debt and liquidity. So, we entered the quarter with a net debt of EUR 83 million on a proportionate basis.

Our cash flow from operating activities during the quarter was neutral, but we had a negative working capital impact of EUR 1.5 million. Then our cash flow from investing activities in Q4 was EUR 3.9 million. The majority of this, or the largest component, is investments into our greenfield projects. So, which is essentially short-cycled investments, positioning us for future project sales. And when you combine all of this, then we ended the quarter with a net debt position of EUR 89 million. And then, if you shift the focus to the right-hand side of the slide here, you can see our total liquidity of more than EUR 80 million and how—what that is made up of.

And, that's EUR 16 million of our cash that we had a year in 2025, and then EUR 66 million of still available, undrawn commitment under our, revolving credit facility, which then sums up to more than EUR 80 million, as I said, in available liquidity. Tax balances. We like to sort of repeat and emphasize this, regularly, because it is a very material asset, especially relative to the size of the company. So, due to several years of investments and expenditures, we have accumulated, quite significant tax balances, in Sweden and Finland. If you combine the two countries, this is more than EUR 500 million in total. In total cash balances, which can offset the future revenues.

And the net effect for the company is then a potential cash saving in terms of reducing our future cash taxes to the tune of EUR 100 million over the coming years. So, again, very material impact for the company, is something which is important to keep in mind when looking at future cash conversion and cash flow projection for us. And then the cash flow outlook for 2026. We have laid out three different scenarios here based on different achieved prices with a low scenario, EUR 35 per MW average achieved price, then 45 and 55.

I guess if you compare to current prices, both, you know, achieved year to date and, and future prices, where we have, now around 60 EUR per MWh system price average for 2026, it's obvious that at least the, the low end of this range, looks maybe overly conservative, as we speak. But, we want to show, you know, a range of outcomes here. And, also, when it comes to volumes, we, we are here assuming the midpoint of our power generation outlook, which is 875 GWh.

What we see is that based on this, you know, based on these price decks, we expect revenues to end up between EUR 30 million and EUR 50 million for the full year, with a corresponding EBITDA ranging between EUR 1 million and EUR 18 million during 2025, based on also the OpEx and G&A, which we have guided on, and the legal cost. If you exclude the Sudan legal costs, and as I said before, and as Dan also mentioned, from second half of this year, we expect that to be a thing of the past. Our corresponding EBITDA generation for this year is expected to end up between EUR 5 million and EUR 22 million.

If you move to free cash flow, pre CapEx, we expect that to end up somewhere between EUR -4 million and EUR 13 million for 2025, with between breakeven and EUR 17 million, after excluding Sudan legal costs. A couple of things to note here. First of all, in the figures you see in the bars, we are excluding any future revenues from greenfield sales. So, we're only here reflecting what we have actually received, year to date, which is the EUR 1.6 million mentioned by Axel. And we do target several project sales, per year going forward at very healthy EBITDA margins, so, obviously that can have a very profound impact on the figures that you see on the slide here.

And secondly, if you look at the free cash flow pre-CapEx outlook, you also roll in our 2026 CapEx guidance of EUR 11 million, and you compare it to our available liquidity of more than EUR 80 million. I mean, it's obvious that we have ample headroom and a lot of firepower to support, obviously, our current business plans, but also to pursue a lot of accretive growth opportunities, opportunities both organically and inorganically going forward. So, with that, I hand over back to Dan.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Thanks, Espen. Hopefully, we've given you a little bit more flavor for the business, and I'm just gonna touch again on the very first slide I ran through. Our business is quite simple. There's three distinct parts to it. We have long-term cash generation out of assets that have a 30+ year lifetime that we expect to run in perpetuity. We should be able to extend lifespans, repower these assets, build flexible generation if we're unable to extend the lifespan of a wind farm, and that operating asset base has cash flows that are gonna be here for decades. We can see with a short-term price over the last 2 years, it's not been as favorable as we want it to be.

But already year to date, and looking forwards, if we forecast a reasonable long-term price in this asset base, we have strong recurring cash flow out of that operating arm of the business. I see a lot of opportunity there to continue to grow that, to move harder in terms of M&A, to see more transactions coming to market, and then to bring flexibility into that asset space through batteries, moving ancillary services into how we operate and trading the power. So, that really is a, a core pillar of the company that I feel really, really confident that we can extract a lot of value from that part of the business. Axel's touched on the large-scale project portfolio. For three years, we've been investing into this portfolio. End of last year, we're starting to see revenues coming out of it.

The magnitude of what we can deliver out of that is material for us, material in terms of the market cap and material in terms of value for shareholders. We have to keep going on this. We have to see that steady growth in Germany. We have to see conversion into cash flow, and we have to see the U.K. delivering the same return from the sales of projects in that domain. When we see that, again, that's a, that's a massive step change for the company. And as Espen touched on, we remain fully funded. We have more than enough liquidity headroom to grow the business. We have more than enough opportunities in the M&A space, investments into our own portfolio, or through life extension, repowering, and other opportunities to continue to grow.

As I look at 2026, I feel a lot more optimistic, and I see that reflected in the discussions I have with stakeholders, with investors, and others around the sentiment in the renewable sector. We have seen some weaker sentiment in 2024 and 2025, and it feels like that tide is turning. It feels like we're out of the bottom of the market. We're starting to see more transactions, and we're starting to see more value coming from the renewable space, and I think that'll translate into our performance going forwards as well. And so, with that, I'll invite my colleagues back to the stage, and we'll move into Q&A.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Thank you very much, Daniel, Axel, and Espen. We have a lot of good questions coming in online. So, if you haven't-

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Mm-hmm

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

... sent across a question yet, but you're sitting and joining us online, and you have a question-

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

... please send it across, and we will go through it. I wanted to start with questions from the room, if there's anyone, Caleb?

Speaker 5

Thank you. Maybe I'll start off with a bit of a housekeeping question. You guide for EUR 19 million of operating expenses this year, but volume somewhere between 800-950. So, what production figure is that EUR 19 million figure based on?

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Yes, that's based on our midpoint, our outlook. Also keeping in mind that a significant portion of our costs are fixed, although around 30%-40% will vary with either volumes or price.

Speaker 5

Okay, that's clear. Thank you. And, the sort of increase in operating expenses year over year, is all of that due to balancing costs? And sort of as a follow-up to that, given that balancing costs are significantly higher in SE1 and SE2, and prices are sort of structurally lower, I guess, could you be looking to divest those assets as you did with Leikanger?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah, maybe I'll, I'll take half of the question, and Espen can take the other half. Balancing costs, we saw... In 2025, we saw a change in the market from 1-hour settlement periods on balancing down to 15 minutes. We've seen pricing spike through the summer of last year. What we have seen, though, in Q4, is those prices have come down to a more reasonable level. We do see it elevated in some markets, so Finland is a higher balancing price in general, as is, like you touched on, SE1 and SE2. With the active steering of our output on the turbines, we're actually making money out of some of the balancing side on MLK today, as opposed to spending it, and at the expense of some volumes.... So, I think that solution is now being implemented across the portfolio, along with other ones.

If I look at the portfolio we have on Gotland, it has a different wind pattern to the rest of SE3. So, by taking it out of the SE3 portfolio and running balancing on its own, we're actually today making a profit out of balancing as opposed to a cost. So, are we looking to divest? Everything's for sale at the right price. Today, the future price in SE2 is too low, I think, to divest assets. It's more a buyer's market in SE2, and we should have the ability to manage and mitigate some of the balancing costs as we move forward. Anything to add?

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Yeah. So, when it comes to operating costs, I mean, our outlook for 2026 is actually a lower unit cost compared to actuals for 2025. And just to repeat, what Dan touched upon, when it comes to balancing costs, there's been a positive sequential improvement now, and so Q4, significantly lower costs in terms of balancing across the board, compared to the spikes that we saw around summer. So, I think sort of what we are currently have observed during Q4 is also what we are basing our 2026 outlook on in terms of balancing costs.

Speaker 5

Okay, that's clear. Thank you. And, you talked a bit about sort of flexible production and the revenue potential from grid services. How should we think about the sort of part of your portfolio that currently at least lacks that capacity, like the older Slitevind assets, for example? Is that technically possible to sort of add over time, or?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah. So, this part of the market, I'd say, only really started evolving in the last 2 years when we've seen high volatility and, and high balancing costs, for instance. So, we have the ability now, on 80% of our portfolio, we can turn our production on and off, depending on price, and each month we're adding more assets into the ancillary services domain. So, we took a decision through the summer of last year to shut down some of the production in SE2, given that the price was lower than the variable cost, and we'll do that on an asset-by-asset basis. If I roll forward another 12 months, I expect our ability to manage these risks to be embedded in how we operate our assets, and it shouldn't be an issue going forwards.

And then the question at the end of that is: Can we achieve more revenues out of operating flexibly than we can out of just producing into the market? What we've seen this year is we're able to do that. So, we should be at on par, if not better, by putting all of these services into play.

Speaker 5

Maybe two more questions. First, how should we think about the sort of contingent milestone payments? Do you expect to receive 100% of the sort of EUR 14 million from the projects you've already sold? And for projects in 2026, what sort of blend should we expect, both in terms of maturity and technology?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

I'll give my view, then Axel can jump in.

Speaker 5

Right.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

I expect to receive it all, but the reality is some milestones won't make it through. We have the ability to supplement those portfolios with potentially other projects. So, in my mind, we should count on those revenues coming at some point in time, even if it's not exactly that project or that opportunity. The split is difficult to forecast, given that it's milestone-based, but our view is somewhere evenly over that period, we should start to receive the revenues.

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Yeah, and I think I touched upon that a little bit in my presentation, where we do expect the 3 projects that is part of that sale to reach ready to permit this year, which means then 40% of the total payment this year and 60% next year. We don't take pricing risk on these projects, but we still sit with the development risk so, we need to reach the milestones to unlock those revenues. But as Dan points out, I mean, even if a project were not to go forward, we have a buyer who wants this capacity, and we have an open dialogue where we will be able to add a new project to fill the gap that such project not moving forward leaves then.

I think it's a good assumption to assume roughly 40% this year and 60% next year.

Speaker 5

Just a final question. I asked this last year as well, but on buybacks, I mean, as you sort of alluded to, you've had at least five buyouts in your space at significantly higher multiples than you're trading at. And if you just sort of compare the private valuation of your assets to your listed valuation, what, what's the reason you haven't sort of pulled the trigger on buybacks yet? And should we maybe assume it's related to financing or...?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah, I think there's, there's value in a buyback, for sure. I think if you, if you look at analyst average pricing, if you look at where transactions are happening in the market, we should be trading significantly higher than where we are today. I think we... Those discussions very much alive. We have a mandate to buy back some of the shares. As we look at capital going forwards, I think there's a lot of opportunities to grow as well. So, we have to trade the buyback, which is a, on, on paper, is a very, very good use of capital against the scale and size, which then we open ourselves to a much broader investor base, and we start to get more value in the stock.

So, it's not as though you can look at them purely in an Excel spreadsheet and say one is better than the other, because one of them will give us a lot more scale, size, and opportunity. One of them will effectively shrink the capital available to grow, and I think there's tension in that discussion. At some price, it absolutely makes sense to do buybacks. That price is today, but then we're facing an opportunity to acquire assets at a fraction of where the public to private trades have been happening, which is very accretive on the stock as well. So, we will come to market. I know we have a discussion every quarterly results and CMD on buybacks. We will come to market when the conditions are right and the decision is made, and there's no decision today to buy back.

Speaker 5

... That's all for me. Thank you.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Anyone else in the room have a question? Yes.

Speaker 6

Yeah, first question is about you talk about repowering or wind power. How do you rank repowering of your current assets relative to maybe investing batteries or other CapEx outlays?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah. So, each investment we have needs to be accretive on a per share basis, is how we generally look at capital allocation. So, wind investments have to compete with batteries, have to compete with some capital allocation to greenfield. So, if it's not accretive, we shouldn't do it. We have a range of wind farms that will come to end of life in the coming years. We're looking at opportunities for life extension and repowering, but we also have the ability to turn some of those projects into battery investments, where we use existing land and grid. In terms of new wind in Sweden, I'd say it's difficult today to make some of those investment decisions, and we've seen that in limited amounts of new wind being built in Sweden.

If I look at Chinese suppliers on turbines, we're a fraction of the CapEx compared to a Western supplier, so, your investment threshold is much more easily met with some of those options. But with it, you do take some risk being one of the first to deploy those kind of turbines. So I'd say we're not at investment decision today on repowering. We have a lot of opportunities. We're extending land leases, we're starting the permitting work, and last year we acquired a suite of the Näsudden asset from Vattenfall, which hasn't been repowered like the rest of Näsudden. So we have some candidates for some large scale repowering. When it comes time, then it has to compete with the rest of the business.

Where I see shorter term investments, I think is in the battery and flexibility space this year. We need more and more assets in that domain.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. And also, can you elaborate on the timeline in the UK for the data center build-out?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Yeah. On the data center side, we're right now moving into permitting on the first project, not yet on the other two. We want to start with one of the three projects. It's a bit of a different market, where premiums are absolutely crazy if you can connect here and today, and then that premium goes down the further out you go. So, right now, we're working with a sort of dual track process, where first of all, we need the certainty from the grid connection, which we expect during the second half of this year or absolute worst case, mid-January next year. And we're looking at bridging solutions then, between that expected connection date in the early 2030s and, yeah, late 2020s.

And once we have that, ready, then I think we have something we can go to market with. So, it's not... Yeah, we need a little bit more time, I think, to develop those projects to, to a more mature state, but ultimately, it can be very, very valuable for, for us.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

I think that, that behind the meter, we didn't really explore too much today. But although the grid connection might be further down the line, we have options. On the rest of our portfolio, we have around 9 GW of solar that we put into the gate two application. We have a range of land positions sitting at gate one. You have the ability to build out a solar farm behind the meter to provide power to this. In other sites, we have a gas connection close by, which allows power generation to come onto site. So, it's not only limited by the grid connection date, there are some other options to power that site, and if I look at some of the hyperscaler assets, they want two or three sources of power to their site anyway.

So, it may be that we can accelerate the coming on stream date by an element, by providing behind the meter and then evolving with the grid connection as it's available, but it's very early days still.

Speaker 6

Okay, I understand. Final question: EUR 280 million, do you see any risk that these projects will not come through in the relative near term?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

The 280 MW?

Speaker 6

Yeah, exactly.

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

I think the risk is very, very low because we have received that first municipal approval, and typically it's the same municipality who later takes the RTP deci- RTP decision. So, the risk is low from a development point of view. That being said, it's development, so we still need to get the projects to a stage where we can sell them. But yeah, risk is low.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Thank you very much. We have another question here. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Just one more question. Can you maybe talk a little bit about the risk of appeal for the Sudan case and the EUR 4 million in legal case costs? Is that sort of including a scenario where it gets appealed?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Yeah. So, appeal is something that's potentially on the table. I think in our view, the evidence we've seen in the trial so far doesn't support anything that the prosecutor is putting forward. So, our view is that we will become acquitted in the long run, and I think the Swedish state has spent enough time and energy on this case to not take it further than that. Obviously, if somebody—If we do see an appeal, then it potentially takes longer to resolve, but I think that verdict has a massive impact if it's if and when we get that in our favor. The costs are primarily for the district court trial, to see the end of the district court trial, and then we'll come back with a view on cost longer term, should we be in that case.

But the appeals court is essentially a rerun of all of the evidence and witnesses we've heard in the district court case, and we don't rehear those witnesses again, so it is a much smaller operation than what we've seen so far.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Thank you very much. Are there any further questions from the room?

... No? We have a lot of good questions coming in online as well. A lot of them are related to the greenfield pipeline. One question is around: To what extent are you already engaging in presale discussions on the UK pipeline prior to having the final grid, details?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

We started some select discussions with hyperscalers and the likes, not only because we want to start preparing for a divestment, but also because we want to understand their detailed IT requirements on the projects. We know the power side really well, as I mentioned, but the IT side, we need a little bit more meat on the bones for that, and therefore, we've had a few select discussions.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

We also got a few questions here around timing for the grid details in the UK. Do you have a timeline for when you expect to have the grid connection dates? And also, if you have a grid connection date post-2030, how does that affect your divestment timeline and valuation?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

I think earlier is better. Everyone is screaming for grid access for data centers today. We do expect our grid dates to be in the early 2030s, but we're not gonna have the grid dates until we get the grid offers expected later this year.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

With the behind-the-meter opportunities, it may be that that grid date is when we scale up the full project to its full capacity, as opposed to when we start. There are some other options to accelerate on that-

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Mm

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

... that regard.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

And then, given the scarcity of projects, power in the U.K. and specialized nature of AI, do you view your AI data center pipeline as more valuable than solar? Or how do you look at that-

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Uh

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

... valuation?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Yeah, we see some crazy valuations, I would say, in the market, today. You, you see projects transacting at, above, GBP 1 million pounds per megawatts, currently. And typically, the earlier you can connect, the higher the value. You also need to be close to the availability zones, which we are for at least two of our, of our three, projects. And then the further out you go, the lower the value is. So, it's important to get that, grid access locked in, and then work, if it's, if it's more data, to work on those bridging solutions so that we can get, a premium, in that, size.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

So, what's the level of profitability that you expect from future sales? Is the level that you received now with the 76-MW project-

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Mm

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

... what do you expect moving forward?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

So, that's on the solar side. Then I think we're not really guiding on a future view on developer premiums, but we have now executed the two transactions for four projects. I think the value has been fairly stable over that half-year time when we executed those two transactions. We have an ongoing process. We see similar values in the market today, so, I think that's a fair assumption around that level.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

If we look at the strategy on this business, we're selling at the earliest possible point we can sell the projects. As we look longer term, we wanted initially this business to be self-funding. We wanna see that return on capital early to ensure that the business continues to fund itself. As we move longer in time, we expect to hold some of these projects a little bit longer and receive a higher premium and a higher MPV on some of these assets. This will evolve over time. We want to see validation of the business model. The premiums we've seen, like Axel said, I think is representative of where the market is today for solar.

As we move forward, especially in Germany, we're seeing much higher valuations if you're selling projects at ready-to-build, and given our competence, we'd be more than happy to take that risk to ready-to-build. However, we wanna see the early value creation. So, short term, you should expect, I think, that, that same multiple, but longer term, we should be able to execute at a higher level.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Yeah. And are you planning on looking at data centers also in Germany?

Axel Wikner
Commercial Director, Orrön Energy

Yeah, I think we almost have to when we have that grid competence that we have. It's a little bit earlier, I would say, than in the U.K., but it's something that we're actively looking at.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Good. And then we have a few questions around the stock price. Why has the stock price dropped, and what are you doing to address this?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

We're doing the best we can to address it. I think if you look at the sector and for those that are in the market, small cap stocks, if I step across the Nordic space, especially in Sweden, I think small cap stocks over the last 12, 24 months have been hit especially hard, as has the renewable sector, so we can't fight against that phenomenon in and of ourselves. So, I think the market, like I said before, the market feels a lot more optimistic. We're up 40% year to date on the stock on the back of some of the public-to-private transactions, some of the multiples in the market, some of the pricing we see year to date, so we're already seeing a step change.

In terms of what we're able to do to address that, I think cash generation is really key. We're seeing more of that coming in this year's guidance than what we achieved last year. We're seeing Sudan costs coming down. We're seeing stabilization on some of the savings we've made on G&A are carrying forwards into future years. So, we're staying on top of that element and generating as much as we can out of the asset base, while adding the flexibility. I think greenfield is going to take a step change this year, where we're going to see repeatability on those revenues. That will roll into stock price, I think, once investors get the confidence that that is recurring. And then finally, with the conclusion of the Sudan case, we're going to see a change on the back of that.

There's a range of investors who can't hold our stock or don't want to hold our stock today with that risk. I think once we get through the verdict and get to the back end of that, we are in a fundamentally different position at the end of this year compared to where we enter the year.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

... And are you looking at listing the stocks on other markets for better, better liquidity, like the U.S. market or anywhere else? Is that an option?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

I think if you look across Europe, the Swedish exchange is one of the best in terms of liquidity. If you look at IPO volumes for the last period, Stockholm is the place to be for some of that liquidity. We see a lot more liquidity in our stock than some of our peers and ex-peers now on the market. So, I really think there's a space for a Nordic champion across all of the price regions traded publicly in the Nordics that has a deeper and broader portfolio. So, consolidation's something we need to look at. We need to increase the value of the stock from a total market cap perspective. But I think Sweden, we're not looking at listing elsewhere at this stage.

I think we need to stay where we are on Stockholm and go and deliver on this year's program, and then we can come back once we're through that to have a broader discussion.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Yes. Perfect. And then the final question: How are you planning to make a profit in the future?

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

I think I'll let our CFO-

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Yeah

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

... take that one.

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Thank you.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

But already year to date, we're making significantly more than where we have over the last few years. The EBITDA margin on Axel's projects and the Greenfield team's projects is a step change from where we've been in the past as well, but...

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Yeah, and I think it's important to remember that, for 2025 as a whole, you know, excluding Sudan legal case, we generated positive EBITDA. I think we've shown here today, in terms of the outlook for 2026, we expect quite significant improvement year-over-year in EBITDA and cash generation in 2026 compared to 2025, and that is also based on, you know, quite low volumes. So, we have significant upside from also generating higher volumes. So, then obviously, on top of that, greenfield project sales. So, I think sort of the path to significant profits is, I think, something we have tried to communicate quite well there today.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Although this is number 4 in terms of capital markets update, we are still quite junior as a company. We've been investing in the greenfield side. We're only just seeing the revenues. We've been growing our business through M&A. So, I think we need to see more of that growth to get to a, a material size and scale as well. So, it's a mix of the underlying business is sound and generating good, good cash flows, and then we need to, to scale up and grow to really deliver the, the upside.

Jenny Sandström
Director of Investor Relations, Orrön Energy

Perfect. Thank you very much. We have no further questions online, and if there are no further questions from the room, I want to thank all of you for joining us here today. Feel free to reach out in case you have any further questions. We're happy to help. Thank you very much.

Daniel Fitzgerald
CEO, Orrön Energy

Okay. Thank you.

Espen Hennie
CFO, Orrön Energy

Thank you.

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