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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

Apr 27, 2020

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the SSAB Q1 presentation 2020. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question- and- answer session, at which time, if you wish to ask a question, you will need to press star and one on your telephone keypad. I also must advise you that this conference is being recorded today, and I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Per Hillström. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Thank you, and welcome to this presentation of the first quarter from SSAB. With us today, we have Martin Lindqvist, our President and CEO, and also Håkan Folin, our CFO. We are in different locations here today, so I hope this will work. If I can ask for the next slide with the agenda? Martin, our CEO, will start here by looking over Q1, and the outlook as well. Then Håkan will come back with the financials, and then Martin comes back again with the summary, and at the end, we have a Q&A. With that, I would ask you to put forward to slide number four here, recovering Q1, and by that I will ask you, Martin, please start your presentation.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Thank you, Per, and good morning. If we look at Q1, we saw sequentially improved demand. If we saw destocking end of Q4, we saw some restocking beginning of Q1. We saw higher shipments and higher production. We also saw improved capacity utilization. In Q4, we were standing still with our planned yearly maintenance stops, and we had no maintenance stops in Q1. During the quarter, we had stable production performance. What we also saw was continued pressure on steel margins, especially in standard products. We saw the usual seasonal working capital buildup in Q1. Next slide, please. If we look at operating profit by division, most of the divisions were at more or less break even on EBIT levels, with the exception of the specialty. That's where we saw an EBIT margin of 10%.

As you know, when we have tougher times, the difference is as big as it gets, and I think Specialty has kept up fairly well in Q1. Americas is slightly positive. Ruukki Construction, positive, which is good for a first quarter, and I would say it is the best first quarter since we bought Rautaruukki back in 2014. SSAB Europe at break even and Tibnor slightly positive. The next slide, please. If we look at the impact of COVID-19 on SSAB operations, and I will come back to actions we take due to the ongoing crisis. We have seen stable operation and production so far. We saw in the end of March and beginning of April somewhat higher sick leave, but we have been able to manage that in a decent way. We have taken a lot of actions to safeguard the health and safety of our personnel.

We are, to a large extent, trying to work- from- home. We have travel restrictions, no external visitors at the sites or at the offices. We are restrictive when it comes to face-to-face meetings, we have contingency plans for critical operations. We have redundancies, if we would have a spread of COVID-19, we will still be able to run production. We have focused a lot on securing the supply chain with suppliers and critical material, we haven't seen any major disruptions due to that in Q1. Next slide, please. This is a picture showing the volatility in our industry, these are Nordic apparent steel demand growth year-over-year. If anything, in this industry, even though COVID-19 is something completely new and maybe hard to relate to, we are used to volatility and big swings in apparent steel demand.

If you see the graph for 2008 and 2009, we are typically quite quick to introduce actions and do things when we see that the market shifts. Having said that, of course, this COVID-19 is nothing like we have seen before. The outlook is for Q2 and onwards, quite uncertain. Next slide, please. If we look at the main customer segments, you recognize this picture, we see in most of the segments a fairly weak demand. Heavy transport and automotive, they are temporarily closed, even though some of them are starting up production. Construction machinery, we also see lower production levels than we saw before. The only two areas where we see some kind of healthy demand is material handling and so forth, also in construction. Apart from that, looking into Q2, we see lower volumes in many of the segments.

Next slide, please. When we describe the outlook, we say that once again, the outlook is more uncertain than normal, but we have some visibility into Q2, and we expect shipments for Americas and SSAB Europe to contract sharply. We also expect volumes to go down in Special Steels, but somewhat less compared to the volumes for Standard Steel. When we look at prices in the Q2 compared to Q1, they will be fairly flat for Europe, somewhat lower for Special Steels, and then lower for America. This will not be mainly a price issue, this will be about volumes. We expect volumes in Europe and Americas to contract as said, and go down as well in Special Steels. Next slide, please. If we then look at the actions we have taken so far in SSAB, and we are typically planning for different scenarios.

These are the actions we have taken so far. We have further actions that is ready to be implemented if and when needed. If we start with Special Steels, we have moved the annual planned maintenance outage into the summer from Q4. We have introduced short-term work allowances. We are postponing capacity expansions projects and are overall very cost cautious. We have reduced the number of temporary employees, contractors, consultants, and so on. In Europe, we have done the same, and on top of that, we have since mid-April, since a week and a half ago, idled one of two blast furnaces. We are reducing the rolling production, the shift forms, and also standing still a week a month. We are reducing the rolling production with more than 25%. We have short-term work and also moved the planned maintenance outages from end of Q3, Q4 into December.

In SSAB Americas, we have moved the planned maintenance outage in Montpelier into second half of June and first half of July. It will be less extensive than we planned for. We have also idled production at least one week in Mobile, and one week in April, May, and June, and we will also have reduced production in Montpelier. In SSAB Americas, as you know, we have a relative high share of variable costs, so we are more flexible in that aspect. Overall, we have reduced external services, postponed projects. We have reduced salary for the executive committee and higher managers. We have hiring freeze and looked over investment. So far we have implemented savings with an annual effect of more than SEK 1 billion, and we have reduced the investment level for the full year of this year to somewhere between SEK 2 billion and SEK 2.5 Billion.

Earlier communicated was SEK 3 billion. We also came out on March with liquid assets and committed the credit lines to above SEK 22 billion. We have worked also with the financial preparedness or readiness. As said, we have planned for different scenarios and have further actions to be implemented on a very short notice, if and when needed. Next slide, please. This is a picture we showed when we acquired Rautaruukki or Ruukki, and this picture shows the flexibility we have in the hot end system, the part of the system that is typically the least flexible. We were in Q1, standing still with one of the blast furnaces in Oxelösund, and as of April, we are standing still with one of the blast furnaces in Raahe.

If it would get even worse, we have another step to close the big blast furnace in Oxelösund and start the small one. We are currently adjusting capacity to the demand and the deliveries and the production volumes we see for Q2. That would have been impossible or was impossible if you take 2008 and 2009 as an example, because then we were forced in SSAB and Ruukki, standalone companies to run the blast furnaces. Håkan, with that, I turn over to you and the financials.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Thank you, Martin. Good morning, everyone. I will dive into some more details of the financials, including going through the EBIT bridges, cash flow balance sheet with focus on the debt and the liquidity situation. Some updates on raw material situation, and also as Martin shortly described, the changes we have done in the planned maintenance outage for the year. Next slide, please. If we start then looking at Q1, we saw a recovery from low levels in Q4. We saw sales increase with 11%. We saw shipments increase with as much as 21% from Q4, and also even increase one percentage point compared to Q1 last year. EBITDA bounced back from a negative level up to 7% EBITDA margins in Q1.

Not at all at the level we were in Q1 2019, where especially SSAB Americas, both in Q1 and Q2, had a 23% EBITDA margin. Translating into the EBITDA per ton delivered steel, it was SEK 700, roughly, per tonne delivered steel. Next slide, please. If we just look at how the result has developed, and we start with looking at Q1 versus Q1. Q1 last year, we had an EBIT of close to SEK 1.7 billion, and now then SEK 343 million. Very big change is the impact coming from lower prices with over SEK 2.2 billion. It's mainly SSAB Americas. As I said, they had very strong profitability Q1, Q2 last year, but also coming from SSAB Europe. Actually, from Special Steel, we see a much more stable price situation than for the other divisions. Volume, slight increase, basically coming from Europe.

Variable COGS, close to SEK 600 million, which is to a large extent raw material. Fixed cost, somewhat lower. On the FX side, we have a negative impact on SEK 150 million. Typically, when the krona is weaker, we get a positive impact. It depends on versus which currencies, this time around, it has weakened more against dollar than euro, we have a lot of raw material buy in dollars, therefore, we have a negative FX impact. Unabsorption being positive from stable production, other positive, which is basically a lower amortization on surplus values from the IPSCO acquisition. To put it in another way, one can put price and the variable COGS, given this was mainly raw material together, you see that we have a margin squeeze of roughly SEK 1.7 billion from last year.

We were able to compensate that somewhat with higher volumes, lower fixed cost, and better production level, only with roughly SEK 300 million or so. Big margin squeeze compared to Q1 last year. Next slide, please. We instead compare Q1 with Q4, the picture is rather different. In Q4, we had a negative EBIT of SEK 1.1 billion, leading up now to the positive EBIT. Prices were down somewhat further. Spot prices were reduced during Q4. On average, our realized prices were somewhat lower. Clear increase in volume. Europe was the main contributor. Also for SSAB Americas and SSAB Special Steels, we saw clearly better volumes in Q4 than Q1. Also better on the variable COGS, which was to a large extent related to maintenance outage in Q4. Fixed cost, roughly the same level. FX negative here as well. Somewhat different reason.

Here we had quite big sales in some of the Latin American currencies where they had a very negative currency impact during the quarter. Brazil, Peru, Chile, Argentina, et cetera. On absorption, positive with SEK 900 million. We had a lot of maintenance outage in Q4. We also idled the Raahe blast furnace during Q4. Other being negative is, the biggest portion there is that we had an insurance compensation in Q4 last year. We can say that we bounced back, Q4 was a bit of an abnormal quarter with a lot of destocking and our maintenance outages, we bounced back a bit from that now in Q1. Next slide, please. On the cash flow side, we had a slight negative operating cash flow, mainly due to the low result, we had build-up of working capital.

On the working capital side, I would say that was rather expected, and the normal season pattern. We had SEK 1.4 billion of build-up in this quarter. If we compare with Q1 last year, we had SEK 1.3 billion. That's typically what we have in Q1, and especially if we compare with Q4, then we had a release of as much as SEK 2.2 billion. When we have had such a big release in Q4 with an ongoing destocking, it was quite expected that we would have a bounce back in Q1. Otherwise, we compare Q1 this year with Q1 last year, the difference is basically on the earnings side. Working capital on the same level, maintenance expenditure roughly on the same level as well. Next slide, please.

If we move from the cash flow side to the balance sheet and look at our debt situation, we have a net debt now of SEK 12.7 billion, net gearing of 20%. It was 16% a year ago. It was 19% at the end of 2019. The duration of our loan portfolio has decreased quite a bit to 5.2 years from 6.3. The main reason for that is that we have increased our commercial paper quite a lot. I'll come back to that shortly. Commercial papers are usually from one to three or up to six months in maturity times. When we have increased those, that has a spillover effect then on the average duration of the loan portfolio. We have increased our liquidity assets and committed credit lines rather significantly during the quarter. They are now SEK 22 billion, which corresponds to 29% of our revenue.

At the end of 2019, so one quarter ago, it was 13%, so it increased to 16 percentage points, partly through this increase in commercial paper, but also through new loans and bilateral RCF agreements. We have other actions in place and options we are looking at in order to secure additional liquidity buffer if we think that's the right thing to do. The reason why we have done this is, of course, the current uncertainty in the overall market situation and also on the credit market. We wanted to make sure that we moved as fast as we could and secure significant liquidity assets and credit lines. We have SEK 22 billion, as said, and if we look on the graph on the right-hand side, you can see that we have SEK 10 billion maturing in the coming three years. Five of those are maturing in 2020.

Roughly four is commercial paper. We'll see if we prolong those or we pay them back. We definitely have secured quite a lot of liquidity preparedness. Okay, next slide please. We added this one to show you what are the cash needs of the business. Cash need we define here as capital expenditure, interest paid, and also taxes paid. It excludes changes in working capital. Last year, the cash need was around SEK 4.6 billion. This year, we expect it to be between SEK 3 billion and SEK 3.5 billion. As Martin said, we have postponed some of the CapEx projects, the expansion in Montpelier, and also the start of the Oxelösund conversion. It does not mean that we are changing the target of being able to produce fossil-free steel to the market in 2026, but basically we are contracting the ramp-up period of this whole project.

The ambition is unchanged and still the same, to be the first to the market with this. We're expecting interest paid to be rather stable this year as last year. We will have lower paid taxes in 2020. We had quite a big paid taxes in 2019 in the U.S. Overall, lower cash needs of the business in 2020 versus 2019. Okay, next slide, please. If we move on to the raw material side, purchase prices for both iron ore and coking coal have been fairly stable in the quarter. For iron ore, they were up one percentage point versus Q4. This means that from a P&L perspective, where we say that for iron ore we have between half and one quarter lag, it will basically be the same impact in Q2 as in Q1, no change from the P&L.

For coking coal, the average purchase prices continued slightly downwards. We saw the trend throughout 2019, and it continued in Q1, down with 5%. We'll get somewhat lower coking coal costs in the P&L in Q2 versus Q1. Next slide, please. If we move on to the U.S. then and look at the scrap prices, the scrap spot prices decreased in Q1. However, our purchase prices were actually up 22%, which sounds a bit illogical then, but the reason is that the spot prices increased. They were increasing throughout Q4 2019, as you can see in the graph. On average, that implied higher prices for us. What we have seen so far in Q2 is that spot prices have decreased rather sharply now in April, given the weaker demand from the steel producers. Okay, next slide please.

Finally then from my side, a few words on the planned maintenance outages in 2020. We have changed the timing of this quite a bit for two reasons. One is that if we can do it in the third quarter instead of the fourth, we can lower the cost of this, given that we can reduce the number of summer temporaries that otherwise would be working with running the production. Also, we know that Q4 from a demand perspective, as Martin showed, is going to be clearly weaker than Q1. This might very well spill over into Q3 as well, where we have the summer period. Then we obviously don't know given the large uncertainty right now, but potentially then could see a better demand in Q4, and then we want to have done as much of the maintenance outages as possible.

Okay, giving the word back to you then, Martin, to summarize it.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Thank you, Håkan. Then if we move to Slide 23 in the strategic targets. Even though the uncertainty short- term is a bit bigger than usual, we have not changed our ambitions for the targets for 2022 and feel confident that we will be able to meet the volume targets for special steels and the sales targets for SSAB Services, premium share in Americas and Europe, and also the market share in the Nordics. We are keeping that pace, and over time, until 2022, we feel very confident that we will reach the strategic targets. If we go to next slide.

Even though we are delaying some strategic projects or volume expansion projects, we have not changed our ambition when it comes to becoming the first producer of fossil-free steel, the pilot plant remains on track, will be ready this summer and start to ramp up this fall. This is a picture that you see the massive building and the equipment around it, that will start according to plan. If we then go to next slide and the last summary slide. We saw in Q1 recovery, as Håkan showed, from low levels in Q4. Q2 outlook is very uncertain, but long- term, we feel that we are on the right way, we were quite quick to take actions given the outlook for Q2 and onwards.

We have taken several measures to reduce costs and increase cash flow and continue to strengthen the balance sheet. We have different scenarios planned and more actions to be introduced on very short notice if and when needed. We have a strong balance sheet, and as Håkan mentioned, liquid assets and committed credit lines exceeding SEK 22 billion and a fairly limited cash need for the rest of the year. Despite the great uncertainty, looking short- term forward, we continue to focus on developing the Special Steels business and the transition to fossil-free steel. As you saw in Q1, the Special Steels business is typically, over time, keeping up with less volatility and better profitability compared to more standardized businesses. With that, Per, we are ready to take questions.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Yes. Thank you, Martin and Håkan. I know that some of you have had issues dialing in to ask questions. It's been a long queue. The queue is shorter now, you could try again if you're just listening to the webcast. You can also email me your question, we can take those as we go along here. By that, please, operator, present the instructions for the Q&A.

Operator

Yes, sir. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question- and- answer session. If you wish to ask a question, just press star and one on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced. Once again, star and one if you wish to ask a question. We have a couple of questions that came through, sir. Your first question comes from the line of Alain Gabriel. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Good morning, gentlemen. Just one question from my side is on the Americas business. How do you see the outlook for that particular end of the market, given the weakness in your core market sphere, especially in oil and gas and the heavy transports? What are you doing to counter the negative impact of this market plunge, so to speak? Thank you.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

No, we expect, as we say in the report, lower volumes in Americas in Q2. We have a more flexible system there with electric arc furnace systems and non-unionized plants where we more or less pay for prime yield or for volume, so we have lower cost. More flexible, more variable cost than fixed cost. Having said that, we have moved the Montpelier outage that was originally planned for Q4, we have moved that into second half of June, first half of July. We have also planned to stand still a week in Mobile. We are adjusting production to the demand we see in North America for the coming quarter or quarters.

Speaker 8

Thanks. As a follow-up on that question, how does your fixed cost structure differ from the Americas to the rest of the business? If you can just give us a bit of numbers on what percentage of your costs are fixed in Americas versus the rest of the group? Thank you.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Håkan, will you take that?

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

In terms of the salary payments for the Americas people, it's much more flexible given that they are paid on production bonuses. It doesn't flex with production totally, but if we produce less, we also clearly pay out less to our own workers. We also have contractors on site, for example, managing our scrapyards, and they are also typically paid on how much scrap they are entering into our electric arc furnace during a certain time period. I don't have the exact percentage on the top of my head, but it is clearly much more flexible than our Nordic operations.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

What we typically do when times are a bit tougher, we reduce the number of contractors and use our own personnel, so we have flexibility in that way as well.

Speaker 8

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question, and this comes from the line of Seth Rosenfeld. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions today. If I may, with regards to Special Steels, can you just give us a bit more color with what drives your confidence in the argument that Special Steels may outperform other businesses into Q2? To what extent is this just an element of volume relative to price stability? If you can give us a bit of color on what you've seen in terms of order intake, order backlog in this business over the past couple of weeks. Thank you.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

When it comes to quench and temper steel, we are the high-quality producer and the global market leader. We only give a prognosis for Q2 where we see the order book and the order intake. We saw in Q1 a decent order intake with the exception of Asia and especially China. Then end of Q1, beginning of Q2 so far, we have seen that Asia has bounced back and China has bounced back. When we look at the order book and the order intake, we expect less of a drop in special steels. What we also see is slightly lower prices, but margins being less affected as well. This is what we see now in the order book for Q2, but also what we typically see over, call it, different business cycles, that special steels keeps up slightly better than the more standardized business.

Speaker 9

Just a follow-up. Can you give us a bit of color in terms of the geographical mix of special steels, specifically in terms of your export exposure to Asia, given that's going to be, I guess, the key boost into Q2?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We have a global business and we have a lot of volumes in Europe and Americas, but also other parts of the world. If the order intake from Asia and especially China was, if not non-existing, but very low in Q1, we have seen that coming back and become slightly stronger than even the normally so far in Q2.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Carsten Riek. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thank you very much. I hope you can hear me.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Yes.

Speaker 10

Two questions from my side. The first one-

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Please one at a time.

Speaker 10

Yeah. That's for sure. The first one is, the start of the Oxelösund conversion will be postponed as you mentioned in your presentation. What does that exactly mean? As you mentioned, the trial plant will be, I believe, on schedule. How do you actually postpone it? Is it just a CapEx you postpone it to 2020 and the ramp up to 2026 is just not affected at all?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

What we are aiming for and what we are planning for is to have the Oxelösund, the new Oxelösund up and running Q1 2026, and we haven't changed that. We have some slack in the time plans, so we have reduced the initial pace. We are still doing a lot of things, but we have reduced it. The ambition of producing fossil-free steel in Oxelösund Q1 2026 has not changed. The pilot plant is ready this summer or second half of the summer, so that will be up and running. We have already today also in the production system two electric arc furnaces. What we will do, we'll start to do trials both in the pilot electric arc furnace we have up in Luleå, but also start to do pilots and testing in North America.

We haven't changed the overall time schedule, but we are delaying some investments due to preserve cash given the current situation right now.

Speaker 10

Understood. Thank you. The second question I have is on volumes, because you rely heavily on blast furnace operations in Europe, of course. It looks like the electric arc furnace operations are currently better placed given the scrap market weakness. Do you expect a harder hit on the blast furnace operations volumes versus your electric arc furnace operations in North America?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

It's two different markets. If you take flat carbon, where we are in the Nordics and mainly in Europe, that is to a very large extent, if not 100% blast furnace based. I think as of last Friday, I think there were 18 blast furnaces idled in Europe. Of course, with electric arc furnaces, you have much more flexibility. To stop a blast furnace takes some time, and also when you ramp it up again or start it up, it takes a couple of weeks or a week or two. In an electric arc furnace, you just push the red or the green button. Different markets and different ways of running it. Then over time, it differs between scrap and iron ore and coking coal. From time to time it differs, but over time, the correlation is quite big.

We are competing with blast furnaces, other blast furnaces in Europe and in North America. We compete with both blast furnaces and electric arc furnaces. To a large extent, I would say if you take plate, it's us and Nucor running electric arc furnaces in Americas, the other ones are running blast furnaces.

Speaker 10

Okay, perfect. Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Christian Kopfer. Your line is now open, please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thanks, operator. Good morning. Just a few follow-ups from my side. Firstly, on the CapEx, just so I understand you correctly, that if you look at the average, call it CapEx then for the next five years, that's still SEK 3 billion annually plus, minus some SEK 200 million, or?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Yeah.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

It will be lower this year 2020.

Speaker 11

Yeah, exactly.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

That of course remains to be seen where this will go, but that's what we are planning for right now, yes.

Speaker 11

Yeah. You can't see any, call it cost deflation on the orders that you have to do on the CapEx side because of the slower economy that you're able to push down costs or anything?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We are looking into that, of course, and I think it's too early to tell, but I guess that could be something for going forward, yes.

Speaker 11

Okay. On the prices there, just one thing on the Q1 results there on Europe, where you said that prices were down 7% versus Q4. If I remember correctly, you guided for somewhat lower prices. It seems like prices came in much lower than you expected. If that is a fair comment. If so, what was that drove that decline in prices in Q1 in Europe?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Do you want to take that, Håkan?

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Okay. Yeah. I think it's a fair comment, Christian. A few reasons. One is we renegotiate both quarterly, half year and annual contracts in Q1 now versus Q4, and that had a quite big impact. Second reason is that given the weak order situation in Q4, we did take a few spot orders that was delivered in Q1 that also drove down the average price level. In that sense, yes, the price drop was a bit more than the somewhat lower that we guided for. Correct.

Speaker 11

Okay. Finally from me, on the cost savings that you expect more than SEK 1 billion on an annual basis, what pace should we pencil that in during the course of this year?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

You should expect us to have full pace in Q2. We took the actions March, beginning of April. You should see effects already in Q2.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Bastian Synagowitz. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Yes, good morning, gentlemen. I have two questions, please. My first one is just on the cash needs, which you've been singling out. It seems like you still have about SEK 600 million-SEK 700 million in taxes and others. Could you please specify what is basically flowing into this number? Is there still a lag from the taxes of last year, maybe in the S, as you've been suggesting on the slide, or why is that portion not even lower? Thank you.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

That's a typical question for you, Håkan.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Yeah. No, Bastian, your own reflection was right. It's to a large extent a consequence of earnings from previous years where we pay the taxes later on. Yes.

Speaker 12

Okay.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Of course, Sorry. It does depend also on the result and how the year develops. I would say it's more likely that it will be lower than that it will be higher, yes.

Speaker 12

Got it. Okay. Is there already a benefit, like a tax credit you're actually receiving, any positive impact, in fact, for the European business, or is that still negative as well?

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

No, it's no positive yet. No.

Speaker 12

Yep. Okay. Understood. Then just on working capital, could you give us any indication on maybe the potential for working capital release you see this year? Obviously, the business clearly went down. There's a lot of uncertainty around, I guess, what the demand will do towards the end of this year. I think that's pretty clear. Yet, I guess in this environment, there should be at least some scope for you to cut working capital. Maybe could you give us any sort of, say, quantification on what you think you could do, maybe as a minimum?

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

There are two aspects here. One is what we are trying to do structurally in order to become more efficient in our working capital needs, and that we are continuing working on despite the current situation. You have the impact from a slower business environment. I think the best way is to look at previous years, and you can also take Q4 as an example, where we had low demand, we had low deliveries, which then also has an impact on our accounts receivable, as an example. It very much depend on how, if you take the full- year, it depends so much on the business environment development during the second half of the year, which as Martin said before, it is much more uncertain than we are used to. It's hard to give a quantification.

My best advice would be to look at what you expect, and then compare with similar situations previously, like Q4 last year, or like 2015 and 2016.

Speaker 12

Okay. In principle, I guess you still do think that you can probably cut working capital to a lower level versus what you achieved end of last year, I suppose.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Yes. We are doing structural things in order to improve and in order to, over time, become more efficient with working capital, absolutely.

Speaker 12

Okay. If you look at the business from a maybe all-in cash basis, would you be as confident to say that you do expect to end the year even on a lower net debt number? Or do you think that that may be actually a challenge this year, just given what's obviously going on in the operation, obviously acknowledging that uncertainty on your earnings for the second half, obviously still fairly high?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

I think it, of course, depends very much on where the business will go the rest of the year. Structurally, as Håkan pointed out, there are more things to do when it comes to cash flow generation and working capital release. Everything else equal, we should continue to strengthen our balance sheet.

Speaker 12

Okay. Just one more question on the business. Have you been noting any sort of market share changes in the past couple of weeks, maybe from the different disruptions? Anything interesting which you've been noting maybe in the European or the U.S. market?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

No, not really. We have a stable and fairly high market share in North America. We have that in the Nordic region as well. No big swings, no.

Speaker 12

Have you been maybe receiving any requests from customers, maybe soliciting maybe some volumes, maybe which we are not doing that much business with usually, or?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

There have been some smaller examples of that, yes.

Speaker 12

Okay. Yep. All right. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Anssi Kiviniemi. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Anssi Kiviniemi
Analyst, SEB

Hi, guys. It's Anssi from SEB. Thanks for taking my questions. First of all, starting with the guidance. You guide for shipments to contract sharply in Europe and Americas. You can see your order books and business momentum, but we cannot see that. What should be a good starting point for us to think about the Q2 lower deliveries in Americas and in Europe and also perhaps in Special Steels? Thanks.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

With the automotive to a large extent standing still and also heavy transport, big consumers of steel, of course the order intake has gone down and the volumes will be lower. That's what the steel industry in general see, and also with the partial lockdown or what you call it in North America, volumes and the oil price volumes are lower. I think in relative terms, we might, with the market penetration we have and the products we have, we should be okay. We clearly see in Q2, due to the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak, lower volumes, and that's what we are guiding for.

Anssi Kiviniemi
Analyst, SEB

Okay. Could you elaborate a bit on, is it 10%, 20%, 30%? What is the kind of right ballpark?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We haven't filled up Q2 fully yet, but it will go down. We haven't said in absolute percentage how much it will be, but we have said that what we see now is that it will go down less in Special Steels compared to the more standardized businesses, which is fairly typical.

Anssi Kiviniemi
Analyst, SEB

Okay, thanks. On SSAB Europe and Q1, there was a threat of industrial strikes in Finland, probably some postponements of the impact also coming from Q4. Were there some kind of extra cost during Q1? Because when I look at the margin, it was a little bit on the soft side.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

It was. As Håkan mentioned, we had prices were down slightly more than maybe than we guided for. It was a margin squeeze and continued margin squeeze in Q1. Then we took some spot orders, as Håkan mentioned, end of Q4 that were delivered in Q1. Overall, if you take fixed costs or SG&A, there were not any major cost effects of strikes and so on in Q1. Some spill over from Q4, but not any major costs.

Anssi Kiviniemi
Analyst, SEB

Okay, thanks. That's clear. The last question, working capital. When we are going now into Q2, lower deliveries, usually Q2 is slightly negative on working capital side. Now it should be well on the positive side, right?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

You shouldn't expect us to continue to build working capital now.

Anssi Kiviniemi
Analyst, SEB

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ola Södermark. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Ola Södermark
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you very much, Ola Södermark, Kepler Cheuvreux. A follow-up on the previous question about the volumes for coming quarter. I know that great uncertainty and so on, but you highlighted that in previous crisis, volumes have been down by 20%-40% in the worst hit quarters, and you're also taking down rolling capacity here in Europe by 25%. Is it fair to assume that volumes are going down by 20%-30% in the second quarter if one is excluding special steel?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We haven't been so explicit, but we have closed one of the blast furnaces, and we're taking down rolling production more than 25%. Yeah, we are expecting, different capacity utilization or much lower capacity utilization in Q2 compared to Q1. That's for sure.

Ola Södermark
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

When it comes to maintenance outage, and they are bringing forward the maintenance stops. Do you see any bottlenecks there, or do you see any problems to carry out the maintenance stops when it comes to spare parts or expertise that maybe has to be flying in?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We started to prepare that already in March and start to discuss with suppliers and so on. We don't expect any major problems. We wouldn't have moved it. We felt it was a good time to do it during the summer for the reasons Håkan mentioned, because we don't really need full production capacity, and we can save money on temporary employees and summer workers and so on. No, we expect to be able to run or to do the annual maintenance according to what we have planned and communicated. No major problems as we see right now.

Ola Södermark
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Krishan Agarwal. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hi. Thanks a lot. My most questions have already been asked. If I can ask a longer term question on Tibnor. You have guided for SEK 200 million worth of savings coming in from second half onwards. Is there any impact on potential savings being realized in this current environment?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

What we have said, the structure changes and savings in Tibnor, they are according to plan. Of course, they are also on top of that part of the overall saving program. They have their part in that as well on top of the SEK 200 million. The SEK 200 million will start to be more visible in Q2, but today are according to plan or even slightly ahead of plan.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Viktor Trollsten. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Yes. Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First of all, I would just like to ask you on the strategic CapEx in Montpelier that you're now delaying. Is that changing how you view the, let's say, ramp-up profile for the strategic targets in Special Steels, let's say for 2021? Will production be more back-end loaded now versus before?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

No, delaying something always means delaying time as well. I think it's a good way to do it. First of all, in order to focus on preserving cash. First of all, we don't want to have too many external contractors on the site right now. It's also a matter of the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak and how we handle production and how we handle our own people. We don't want to have a lot of contractors running around, if you understand what I mean, at this either. It's a combination. As I said during my presentation, we expect to meet our strategic targets for 2022 anyway.

This is a combination of preserving cash, being cash cautious, but also taking care of our employees and make sure that we do everything we can to avoid a big outbreak at one of our plants.

Speaker 14

Okay, fair enough. Also, maybe you could comment a bit on what you have heard from your customers in last couple of weeks, because at least what I can see, and from my perspective, we have seen production opened up in certain sectors. Is that something that you haven't seen yet? Is that included in your guidance for Q2?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Like I said, it remains to be seen in what pace they open up and so on. What we have seen is that in Asia, as an example, and especially China, the order intake in Q1 was, if not non-existing, but at very low levels. That has changed, at least for the time being. We see stronger, in relative terms, order intake from there, from very low levels. What happens when the automotive industry opens up and heavy transport and so on, and at what pace they're opening up remains to be seen. What we are guiding from is the order book we have right now and the order intake we have seen the last weeks or the last month.

Speaker 14

Okay. That's clear. Just finally on my side, in terms of pellet premiums, I'm just curious if you could comment somewhat on that, because you had a positive effect from variable COGS in the quarter. Is the full impact from pellet premiums coming in this quarter, or could we have some more impact in the quarters to come? Is that also a relative benefit or a relative negative for you versus other steelmakers?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

If I take the second part of the question, Håkan can take the first one. It differs over time, but typically what you see when volumes are lower, you see other steel companies using more fines than pellets, and we are not able to use fines because we don't have any sinter plants. We are always using 100% pellets, and that can differ if you take some of the European players, they can use both fines and run their own sinter plants or use pellets. Typically what you see in a tougher market situation that they usually use more fines. The advantage or disadvantage depends on if the iron ore prices go down, but the pellet premium is more stable, then we can have short-term disadvantage. Håkan.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Yeah, on the first part of the question, our purchase prices for iron ore, which includes the pellet premium, were more or less unchanged in Q1 versus Q4. For iron ore, it takes around half a quarter up to a quarter until we see the impact from when we buy it in the P&L, and half a quarter is maybe for Luleå, where we have very little iron ore stock, and we get daily deliveries from LKAB, then longer in Raahe and Oxelösund. Given that our purchase prices were unchanged in Q1 versus Q4, unless there's big movements in Q2, our P&L cost for iron ore will more or less be unchanged in Q2 compared to Q1.

Speaker 14

Okay. That's very clear. Thanks a lot. Just a quick follow-up on the pellet premium. It sounds like if other steel makers go for fines rather than pellet, I suppose in a downturn, the pellet premium should come down if demand is lower, or am I thinking about it wrong?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

No, it should. There is always a lag, and short- term it can differ a bit. Over time, yes, you're completely right.

Speaker 14

Okay. Thanks a lot for taking my questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Gustaf Schwerin. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Gustaf Schwerin
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you. Gustaf Schwerin, Handelsbanken. Sorry if this has already been answered. I had some issues connecting earlier. Two questions. I'll start with the first one. I understand that there's a lot of uncertainty at this point, but if you compare the slowdown in your European orders books in the last weeks comparing to the financial crisis, what is the feeling? If I remember correctly, I think you had one month pretty much without orders in Europe back then.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

The line went dead there for Gustaf.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

I couldn't really-

Gustaf Schwerin
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Can you hear me?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

follow your question. Now we can hear him.

Gustaf Schwerin
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Sorry, Martin. What did you say? Can you hear me now?

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Yes.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

I couldn't fully hear the question, but now I can hear you. Yes.

Gustaf Schwerin
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay, sure. I'll take it again, sorry. I mentioned, it's understandable that you see a lot of uncertainty at the moment, but just these last weeks, if you compare the slowdown in your order books versus the financial crisis, what is your calculation at least? I believe you had one month back in the financial crisis where the European order book was empty for a whole month, am I correct?

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Sorry, I couldn't really hear that question. Could you hear it, Håkan, if you want to take it? I couldn't hear it.

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

I think the question was a comparison between the situation now and the financial crisis 2008, 2009.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

In the trend in orders, how quickly it deteriorates. Right, Gustaf?

Håkan Folin
CFO, SSAB

Now we lost him.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Damn it.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Yeah, we can maybe take the next-.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Yeah. We take it if he comes back.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

-question.

Operator

Yes. At the moment, sir, we have no further questions that came through.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Okay.

Once again

Operator

Yeah? If you still want to ask a question, just press star and one.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

In the meanwhile, we can take a question here that's come in from Olivia at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. The first one is, what is the state funding for labor in Sweden and Finland? I guess she means what is the support the employees can get when they are temporarily laid off.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

That system differs somewhat between Sweden and Finland, but there is both in Sweden and Finland, the state or the government is taking part of the cost. If you, in Sweden, reduce working time with up to 80%, the cost or the negative effect for the employee is a little bit less than 10%. For the company or the state takes for this right now, a fairly decent portion of that cost from the companies. I don't have the exact figures, but we are following, as said, the local rules in every country where we are active. It differs somewhat between Sweden and Finland, it differs also among other countries.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Yes, I think the second question, you have been commenting on that, maybe just to repeat the order book situation across the businesses, for the fossil-free steel division, just shortly, how it looks.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We see bigger impact on the more standardized products, so to say, and less of an impact in the more specialized products like quenched and tempered and specialty steel. That is what we also typically see over a business cycle, and that's what we see this time as well. Less impact in specialty steel, more impact on more standardized products in Europe and in the Americas.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Yes. Please, operator, you can maybe repeat the instruction in case we have any follow-ups from the phone lines.

Operator

Yes, sir. Once again, for those who want to ask a question over the phone lines, just press star and one on your telephone keypad. Once again, star and one if you wish to ask a question. We have a question that came through, sir. The question comes from the line of Viktor Trollsten. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Thanks a lot. Just a follow-up. Could you maybe remind us, for Q2, how much of that is already in the order books and how much is on spot, so to speak? How much do you already have in your order books? Thank you.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

We have April, I would say to a large extent, May in our order books. The visibility is fairly decent for Q2.

Speaker 14

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you once again. For those who want to ask a question, just press star and one on your telephone keypad. Seems like no further questions that came through, sir. You may continue.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Okay. Thank you. By that, we thank you for the attention, and we wish you a pleasant day. Thank you very much from SSAB.

Martin Lindqvist
President and CEO, SSAB

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Per Hillström
Head of Investor Relations, SSAB

Thank you very much.

Operator

This concludes our conference for today. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Speakers, please stand by.