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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 2, 2023

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Greetings to you all, nice to connect again as I welcome you to the presentation of our Q4 results. I'm Ann-Sofie Nordh, Head of Investor Relations here at ABB. Next to me here I have our CEO, Björn Rosengren, and our CFO, Timo Ihamuotila. As always, they will take you through the presentation before we open up for a Q&A session. Before we begin, I want to mention the information regarding safe harbor notices and our use of non-GAAP measures on slide two of the presentation. Also, this call will include forward-looking statements, which are based on the company's current expectations and certain assumptions, and are therefore subject to risks and uncertainties. With that said, I will hand over to Björn and Timo for their quarterly comments.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Thank you, Ann-Sofie, and a warm welcome from me as well. I would like to start with a quick look back at the full year of 2022, and it's safe to say it was another eventful year. We have executed on our business promises despite being challenged by several external factors. Before we move on with the presentation, I want to give a big credit to all the ABB colleagues who pushed through and delivered what I would call a record year for ABB. This is a strong achievement considering that they had to manage the implications from the war in Ukraine, energy crisis, lockdown in China, and a strained supply chain. On top of that, we were also hit by significant negative FX impact. Despite all of this, the team delivered orders, revenues, and operational EBITDA and margins at the highest level in recent history.

We achieved an Operational EBITDA margin of 15.3%, meaning we delivered on our margin targets one year ahead of plan. Looking beyond the key items impacting comparability, EPS performance was good, and we improved the ROCE to 16.5%, which means we brought it within our target range. Based on the improved performance, and in addition to distributing the Turbocharging division to shareholders in October, we propose a steady increase of a dividend to 0.84 CHF. We also plan to continue with the share buyback during 2023. I allow myself to include the signing of the Power Conversion divestment in this 2022 summary. In doing so, we have delivered on our promises from 2020 to streamline our business portfolio by exiting 3 divisions. From here on, we will continue to review our businesses on a product group level within our current divisions.

One example is the decision to exit the emergency lighting operations within Smart Buildings in the business area Electrification. Related to portfolio changes, I also want to mention the private placement funding we finalized just after the end of the year. We have raised about CHF 525 million for approximately 20% ownership in our E-mobility business. These are new investors who share our long-term belief in the growth story of E-mobility. This is good news, but I want to make it clear that we remain committed to our plan to separately list the business when market conditions are constructive. All in all, in my view, our 2022 delivery shows that we have taken a big step in setting a performance culture based on divisional ownership of operations. We are making good progress in making ABB best-in-class company.

Now, let's look at the Q4 in detail. To frame the big picture, one can say that most customer segments were stable or improved slightly. Remember that we are now talking about orders improving from an already high level. It was only two segments which stood out. That was weakness in residential building. It mainly impacted the Smart Building division Electrification. For us, Germany is a key market which dropped compared to last year. China was also weak, as we have mentioned in earlier quarters. Also the U.S. residential building market softened, although it's not such a big driver for us. The other area I want to mention is Machine Automation in Robotics & Discrete Automation. While the long-term market outlook remains solid, orders in the Q4 were hampered by customers normalizing order patterns after a period of pre-buying.

Out of all our businesses, the Machine Automation business was one of the most impacted by the strained supply chain and component shortage. Now, the supply chain constraints have eased, deliveries lead times are shortening. This means that the customers start to trust our ability to deliver again, and therefore returning to a more normal order pattern. I'm not worried about the long-term market potential, but near-term, this pre-buying hangover may wait on a near-term order growth in Machine Automation. In total for ABB, comparable order intake was up 2% and remained stable or improved in 3 out of 4 business areas. I mentioned earlier that the supply chain had eased. This supported our comparable revenues growth of 16% as we could execute our order backlog. All business areas improved comparable revenues by at least 6% from last year.

It was very good to see an improved flow in our customer deliveries. That said, it was yet another quarter with order growth, our order backlog remains at a very high level of close to $20 billion. This represents an increase of 29% compared with last year, it will support our revenues in 2023 as we convert the backlog into deliveries. Let's take a quick look at the different regions. The Americas was the growth engine of the quarter. Compare order increase by 50%, the important U.S. market was strong, contributing at +13%. The positive trend was strong in three out of four business area. Both Europe and EMEA declined at a single digit rate. In Europe, the decline was mainly related to the German market and softening in the residential building.

In EMEA, China orders declined in 3 business areas with only Motion in positive growth. We saw a decline in the Chinese business activity towards the end of the quarter. This was in tandem with the intensifying COVID situation. Let's see how this develops the near term, but of course, this adds some uncertainties. Let's turn to slide 6 and our earnings outcomes. In the chart, you see the strong improvement in earnings and margins. We improved Operational EBITDA by 16%, and if we exclude the negative FX, earnings were actually up 28%. The Operational EBITDA margin was up by 170 basic points to 14.8%. This improvement from last year includes an adverse margin impact of about 30 basic points from portfolio changes, primarily related to the spin-off of Accelleron. This was Q1 when they were not part of the family.

It's good to see how the strong revenue growth feeds into the sharp improvement of the gross margin. Higher volumes improved cost absorption in production, and pricing was up about 7%. In total, we improved the gross margin to 34%, up from 31.7% last year. If there is one area where I had hoped for a little bit more, it was cash flow. The $720 million in cash from operating activities includes about $350 million from Kusile settlement. Taking that into account, it's an okay quarter. Still, I would have liked to see us work down the net working capital a little bit faster. We are turning inventories into receivable, so it's a timing question before it becomes cash. With that said, I expect a good cash delivery in the coming quarters.

With that, I hand over to Timo.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Thank you, Björn. Greetings to everyone also from my side. Starting with Electrification, which had another quarter with positive order development. Order intake amounted to $3.6 billion on a comparable growth of 6% from last year. Looking at the total picture, demand continued to be overall robust, and particularly so in the Americas, driven by the large U.S. market where comparable orders grew by 25%. Some weakness was noted in Europe, where Germany, which is an important market for us, continued to see a decline in residential buildings, weighing on our Smart Buildings division. In China, orders declined by 6%. We saw somewhat of a slowdown in business activity towards the end of the year, linked to the intensifying COVID-related situation. Revenues grew by 16% on a comparable basis.

This completes a strong year when comparable revenues have grown at a double-digit rate in each quarter. The order backlog remains at an all-time high level of $6.9 billion and should continue to support revenue generation in 2023. Electrification's operational EBITDA margin came in at 15.7%, improving by 90 basis points year-on-year on strong volume and price. While this was the highest Q4 margin in recent years, it did come in slightly below our expectations. This is mainly due to some lower volumes in the more asset intense and high margin products business, Smart Buildings on the back of softness in the residential building segment.

Overall, this was again a strong year for the Electrification business area with full year margin of 16.5%. Excluding the E-mobility business, which will be reported as part of corporate and other from Q1 2023, the operational EBITDA margin for EL would have been approximately 17.2%. I will come back to this in a few minutes. Looking ahead into the Q1 2023, we currently expect a low double-digit growth in comparable revenues and some improvement in operational EBITDA margin on like-for-like basis. Let's move to slide 8 and the Motion business area, which showed continued strong delivery. After a period of exceptional growth, Motion's orders came in flat year-on-year on a comparable basis. The overall intake was hampered by fewer project orders and a high comparable, particularly in Europe, where a large traction orders was booked Q4 2021.

The underlying base business continued to improve at a mid-single digit rate with a healthy development in the U.S. drives business and continued growth in China. For the full year of 2022, comparable orders in Motion grew by a very strong 20%. Revenues came in at above $1.8 billion, making it one of the highest revenue quarters, at least since I've been with the company. Comparable revenue growth was strong at 20%, supported by all divisions. Similarly to the third quarter, this was driven more or less 50/50 by volume and price. The strong top line was reflected in Motion's operational EBITDA margin of 17.4%, representing a 130 basis point improvement from last year. Higher volumes supported an improved fixed cost absorption, and price increases more than offset the adverse impact from higher input costs.

This rounds off another strong year for Motion, where the operational EBITDA margin improved by 20 basis points to 17.3%. This means the team managed to more than offset the approximately 60 basis points dilution from the divested Dodge business, a really very good achievement. Looking ahead into Q1, we anticipate a strong growth and in comparable revenues, and we expect operational EBITDA margin to be similar or slightly higher compared with last year's level, depending on the mix during the quarter. Turning to slide 9 and Process Automation, where customer activity in the more late cyclical end markets continued to be robust. Momentum was particularly strong in marine, ports, refining, and renewables. On the other hand, there were some signs of hesitation noted in the metals industry on back of elevated energy prices.

Overall, PA's total comparable orders grew by 11%, and the book-to-bill ratio was clearly above 1, driven by the Americas and Europe, while orders in AMEA and China in particular declined. Comparable revenues grew by 6% from a already very high level last year, with a good flow of customer deliveries in virtually all divisions. With orders still strong, the order backlog increased slightly and stood at $6.2 billion at the end of the year. This should support revenues going forward and is particularly encouraging as the business area has successfully improved the gross margin and quality in new orders taken. As the headline number, the operational EBITDA margin declined by 50 basis points. This, however, includes a negative impact of about 160 basis points due to the Accelleron spinoff, which had an above BA average profitability.

The underlying improvement in profitability was due to both higher volumes and continued benefits from improved quality in the order backlog and higher gross margin. Looking at the expectations for Q1, we expect single-digit growth in comparable revenues and a sequential decline in Operational EBITDA margin. The sequential decline is driven by normal seasonal pattern, also by Marine & Ports division, where the missing Russia Arctic LNG business will have some dampening impact to margins during 2023. On slide 10, we turn to Robotics & Discrete Automation. This business area was adversely impacted by customers normalizing order patterns primarily in Machine Automation, as Björn discussed. This follows a period of pre-ordering due to long delivery lead times caused mainly by the shortages in semiconductors.

Overall, comparable orders declined by 19%, driven by the Machine Automation division that was up against a very high comparable, while Robotics saw a stable development. Taking a step back and looking at the order development for the full year, one can see that 2022 was another strong demand year for RA, with comparable orders growing 15% on top of the 29% growth in 2021. Looking at the chart in the middle, it is very promising to see revenues continuing to rebound as the easing of shortages of electrical components supported execution of volumes from the order backlog. Comparable revenues improved by 23% in the quarter, with solid contribution from both divisions. This translated into a strong operating leverage, doubling the profit to about $125 million.

Additionally, the operational EBITDA margin was supported by better pricing execution as well as positive divisional mix, and improved almost by 6 percentage points to 14%. For Q1 in 2023, we expect even higher comparable revenue growth than in Q4 and the Q1 margin to be around the Q4 level, naturally depending on the COVID situation in China. Moving on to slide 11, showing the group operational EBITA bridge. As you can see, the comparable earnings improvement benefited from our strong price execution and the continued recovery in volumes, which again more than offset the adverse effects from cost inflation. Non-core movements in FX, as well as portfolio changes, m ainly the turbocharging spin-off, and for the last time also the impact of the Dodge divestment were slightly diluting on a group level.

Let's look at the cash flow on slide 12, which is one area that did not quite meet our expectations. Cash flow from operating activities in continuing operations was $720 million in Q4, approximately $300 million lower year-over-year. We saw some cash release from inventories during the quarter, the impact from overall networking capital was less compared with last year as trade receivables increased sequentially. Mentioned in October, the settlement for the Kusile project resulted in a cash outflow during the quarter. Timing-wise, it was a bit more front-end loaded than expected, with approximately $350 million impacting Q4. It means that we now have only roughly $10 million impact in coming quarters.

On a more positive note, the cash flow statement also reflects a net positive inflow from investing activities of approximately $1.4 billion from the closing of the PG divestment. Looking into 2023, cash generation will be an important focus area for us as we work down networking capital. We should also have less adverse impact from items impacting comparability. All in all, I expect a good cash generation in 2023 already starting in Q1. Now taking a look at the development of our return on capital employed, or ROCE, you can see in the chart that we moved into our 15%-20% target range for the first time in many years. The strong ROCE improvement to 16.5% is driven by better operational performance.

It is also worth highlighting that the capital employed calculation still includes the negative impact from the 19.9% ownership in Hitachi Energy in 2022. This impact will reverse from 2023 onwards, moving us even more comfortably into the target range. Overall, of course, the improved ROCE is a good indicator that we are really improving ABB's long-term performance. Let's finish off by quickly taking a look at yesterday's announcement. ABB E-mobility has signed an agreement to raise an additional CHF 325 million in second and final part of pre-IPO private placement. This comes on top of the CHF 200 million announced in November 2022. The E-mobility business will use the proceeds to continue the execution of its growth strategy, comprising both organic and M&A investments in hardware and software.

Following the second round, ABB has a shareholding in ABB E-mobility of approximately 80%. We remain committed to our strategy to separately list the business subject to constructive market conditions. To reflect the new governance structure and the size of the business, E-mobility has been moved out of the Electrification business area as of beginning of January and will be externally reported as part of corporate and other as from Q1. You can see pro forma figures for EL excluding E-mobility and the new corporate and other on the right side of this slide. We will also publish historical re-reported numbers prior to our Q1 results on the investor relations section of our homepage. At the same time, we're happy that the non-core business has become so insignificant that we will no longer report it as a separate line.

With that, I hand it over back to Björn to round off this presentation.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Thank you, Timo. As we sat down to summarize the year, we came to reflect on what an exceptional period we have been through in the past 3 years. First, a COVID slump in 2020, followed by a very strong year in orders, despite all the major external events. The tight supply chain has been a trigger. As I mentioned earlier, we are seeing customers normalizing order pattern as the supply constraints ease. This may hamper our orders growth in the first half of 2023 as the comparables are very high. The chart also shows that the revenues has lagged orders. We have an order backlog of $19.9 billion. We plan for about 75% of these to be delivered during 2023, supporting our revenues. To continue on the topic of what we expect from 2023, let's finish off with slide 16.

Looking ahead, nobody really knows what is coming, and we have stopped speculating too much. Instead, we have prepared for different scenarios. Based on what we see now, we do not expect a major setback in the market. Our revenues will be supported by execution of the record high order backlog, and we expect our comparable revenue growth to be above 5%. We are committed to deliver an operational EBITDA margin of at least 15%, even if we see a slight softer market. Cash flow is in focus. By working down the net working capital in combination with lower negative one-offs, we expect to see a robust cash flow for the next year. On top of the dividend of CHF0.84 , we are planning to continue with our share buyback program.

Rounding off with a quick look at Q1, we expect a double-digit growth in comparable revenues and some year-over-year improvements in the operational EBITDA margin, meaning from the 14.3% we reported last year, including the high margin business Accelleron, which we now have exited. It should be a good start to what we expect to be another year of solid performance for ABB.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

That's a good ending to finish off the presentation with Björn before we now open up for the Q&A. I just want to say for those of you who have dialed in using the phone, you should press star 14 to register in order to ask a question. Just as a reminder, to secure the sound quality, please remember to mute the webcast as your line is open for questions. For those of you who want to put your questions through using the online tool in the webcast, please type your question in the field at the bottom of the right corner of the screen, and I will put it through from here on your behalf. For the phone lines, I kindly ask you to limit yourself to one question only.

I know there's a lot of you who want to ask question, and we want to be able to let through as many of you as possible. With that, we open up for questions. I think we should start with a question from the conference call. Do we have someone on the line there, please? If not, we'll kick off with a question from the online tool while we're waiting for the telephones to come live. We have a question here from Kulwinder Rai Pal. He wants to know a little bit about the outlook comments. He says, "For Q1, is the comparable growth more low double digit or somewhere around mid to high teens?" We start with that one. Then he has a follow-up.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Björn, do you want to-

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

I can take that one. Yeah, we don't think we'll go into that, if it's going to be high or low. We believe there's going to be a double-digit growth, which is of course good supported by the order book. That is Q1. You have also seen that we do expect for the full year to be above 5% also when it comes to revenues.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Yes. Now we go to the conference call. I think, your line should be open, Lars Brorson from Barclays. Are you there?

Lars Brorson
Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity Research, Barclays

I am. Good morning. Thank you, AnN-Sofie. Good morning, Björn, Timo. Firstly, briefly, Timo, on Electrification margins, I wonder whether you can give us a bit more color on the profit bridge there in Electrification. Thank you for providing some pro forma numbers for E-mobility. I gather in the quarter it's about an 80 basis point dilution. Help us a little bit, if you can, with the adverse mix towards more systems and also the impact from under absorption in the resi business. Secondly, if I just can briefly on the pricing outlook for 2023, you're pricing up 7% of the group level currently, higher in Motion, I'm assuming around 10%.

I wonder, Björn, when we look a bit deeper into 2023, I'm trying to understand the price stickiness there as input cost starts to ease, particularly in Motion, where you have some formulaic pricing clauses in large motions. Can you talk a bit about the risk, perhaps, to pricing as we get into the back end of this year, just from a mechanical reset to lower raw mat prices? Thank you.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

why don't you take the first one, Timo.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Yeah. Thanks

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

On electrification there.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

On the EL margin, yeah, it's as we said, we came in slightly lower than we expected. I mean, the main drivers there are, as we said, there was a bit less demand on the resi construction, and that's a high margin business in Smart Buildings for us. We also had, as is totally normal, more business from Distribution Solutions, which is lower margin business than the EL average. Third, and this was actually almost 40 basis point delta on EL margin coming simply from the fact that E-mobility was bigger Q4 this year than last year. Those are really the main drivers.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

On pricing, Björn, do you want to take that?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah. I mean, yes, we have 7%. This what we report for the quarter. We know the inflation rate during last year, which was quite brutal, both when it come to logistic cost, but also for commodities during the period. Now in line with the interest rate going up and we see more and more normalized demand, I think we're seeing somewhat less inflation. I do believe that is also going to reflect our pricing. We have a pretty good picture of what are the cost increases in our operations, and we will make sure that we compensate that also going forward, but also, of course, getting full value a good price for the value that we are delivering to the customers.

We believe that there will be somewhat lower inflation during next year.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Yeah. Maybe just to chip in.

We expect about 2% pricing carryover from 2022 to 2023, something like that.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

With that, thanks, Lars. Although that was more than one question. I would like to add. We'll take a next question from James Moore, please, at Redburn.

James Moore
Partner and Senior Analyst, Redburn

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I've got one question on your performance management system, if I could, Björn. I mean, you've got, I think, about 20 divisions at the moment. Would you say have a mix of what is in a growth mandate versus the profitability mandate changed in terms of the numbers? Could you talk about those divisions still with the profitability mandate and say something about their potential, if possible?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

I think it's a very good question. This is very close to my heart. It's to implementing this performance culture, which I think ABB really have shown that it had managed during the last two years. We're seeing an improvement. It's correct that we're seeing more and more divisions moving into the growth mandate. I think I've been mentioning close to 70% which have that mandate today. We still have a number of divisions who have a little bit of a challenging. Some of them, are moving in profitability, but we also have two divisions actually where it's more on the stabilization phase. One of them is Large Motors and Generators, where it's been a tough market for them. They are working hard to improve their performance.

The other one is DS. I think Timo talked a little bit about that, we had quite good deliveries, big deliveries on DS, Distribution Solutions in Electrification. As you probably know, there we have a now a new division president for that division. We have also splitted that business and moved some of the low voltage switchgear into Smart Power. DS will be concentrating more on the medium voltage where we have a strong position in the market. I think the right measures are going to be implemented during the year, and we should see a gradually improvement of these two businesses. Of course, in every division, there are a lot of activities for both growing as well as improving profitability.

That's part of the, performance culture and continuous improvement, which is so important for ABB, and also giving us the comfort in saying that we will be delivering over 15% also next year.

James Moore
Partner and Senior Analyst, Redburn

Thank you very much.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thanks, James. I'll continue actually with a sort of related question here from the online tool. It comes from Joe Georgiano, it's reflected to the decision to exit the lighting business in Electrification. What drove this decision? Is it gonna be, say, a sale or an organic exit?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Let me take this one on here. First, I would like to say now that we are extremely happy that we have now delivered on our promise, which we put up 2020 to exit three businesses to align our portfolio with our purpose. I think that's good. I think it's very clear today, we don't look upon ABB as a conglomerate anymore. We are a purpose-driven company. I think that is good. Now we can concentrate on growing. That means acquisitions and organic growth and to make sure to strengthen the group. On the division level, there is continuous pruning of businesses. That mean some business can be fixed, some, to can be driven better performance, and you, with a good transparency, also see what you make in the different product lines.

In some businesses, they have product lines that maybe don't fit in very well, or you could be a small fish in a big pot. We say that the best way here is to find a home for that, where that business can develop better than within our. I think Electrification and the team there have identified this emergency lighting as one of the businesses that we believe should be exited and find a new home for that. I think we will start the process now, and we haven't decided yet if it's going to where it's going to end up in. But we will start the process, identifying opportunities and look for the best home for that business.

We will continue to, challenge all our divisions and their product lines that we have a, market leading, fresh, well-performing businesses also in, within the divisions.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Very good. We'll take the next question from the telephone lines. Ben Uglow, your line should be open.

Ben Uglow
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Morning, everyone. I hope that all are well. It's really a question for Timo around the cash, the underlying cash situation. I guess if we step back, you had a couple of years, including last year, where you have done $3.3 billion of cash from operations. Pardon me, in 2021, we did $3.3, and we've done that level in the past. Where we are today is about $1 billion, $2 billion, pardon me, less at about $1.3. I guess that $2 billion swing is almost exclusively coming from working capital. I guess the question, Timo, is how long. Two questions.

One is, how quickly can we get that working capital from $2 billion down to $a few hundred million , are we going to see the vast majority of this reverse in 2023? The second sort of related question, because it obviously depends on a few other things, is how realistic is it to think that we're gonna be coming back to $3 billion or thereabouts of cash from operations, within the foreseeable future? Are we going to get back to the cash levels that we were at in 2018 and in 2021?

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Okay, thanks Ben for the question. I was kind of thinking that you might go to that direction. Let's first start with the $2 billion gap. About $1.4 billion of that is actually coming from trade networking capital. There, I would just say we have good quality inventory, we have good quality receivables, and actually the inventory now already started to reduce, which is a good sign. It's moving more to receivables. We did not release that much money from payables because the payables are going down as we are sort of seeing this release and business coming from inventory.

If you look at next year, I would maybe answer this in a way that if you look at what we have said on our guidance, and we can use sort of round numbers here, say approximately $30 billion of revenue, and you put into that this 5% growth, you take 15% margin, this is just rough math, you move to EBIT, you take out the cash items, which is about $330 million in our guidance. If we would have networking capital efficiency improving, say, by a point, we would come back to about 10% of revenue, you take 25% tax rate and all that, you will actually drop into numbers which would indicate some $3 billion of free cash flow.

That's kind of like you see from there how we think about it for 2023.

Ben Uglow
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Understood. That's very helpful. I'll leave it at that in the interest of time. Thank you.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thank you. We'll take the next question again from the telephone line. Gael, your line should be open, please.

Gael de Bray
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Thanks, good morning, everyone. Can I ask about the decline in orders in the Machine Automation division? Y ou mentioned a significant drop there on a year-on-year basis. I guess the book-to-bill is also clearly below one now. W e've just heard about Rockwell automation, highlighting that both their orders and backlog continued to increase sequentially with, continued strong automation demand. Could you perhaps elaborate on your specific market positioning in Machine Automation? Have you been perhaps too focused on margins, not enough on growth? I mean, what's going on there, because it seems that you're perhaps losing a bit of market share. Thanks very much.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Thank you for the question. I'll think I take that one. First, I would like to say, when you look at robotics, I mean, Machine Automation for the full year, we had a growth of 15%, and the year before, 29%. That gives you a little bit of the growth. If you look at Q4, and first I can say that the comparison with last year, we had 60% growth in Q4 the year before. That was actually when we start seeing the problems with the semiconductors. There was a brutal comparison with that part. We look at the end markets. We see a very strong demand pattern.

We feel very comfortable with both the Machine Automation, and you can of course see also you can't see it, but the growth in revenues and the order book that we have for that business. We have an increase in order book during last year with 49%, which is of course huge, that need to be delivered out. If you look at our Machine Automation business, mainly our customers, because we have a very strong niche there is on the Machine Automation, it's OEM customers. They were quite nervous when we had difficulties with semiconductors, because you know that part. They actually pushed orders earlier. Now when we're actually delivering, and we don't have any issues on the supply chain with the semiconductors part, they are feeling much more relieved, and they can go into normal order pattern.

That is what we are seeing. We are very optimistic about the Machine Automation market in the coming years from that. Also from the robotics, where you can actually say that we had actually flat orders during the quarter. We think this is more a mechanical change than that actually from the demand from the market. We're sure we can prove that going forward.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thank you. I actually.

Gael de Bray
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Very clear. Thankyou.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thanks, Gael.

Gael de Bray
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Thanks very much for this. Can I just come back to the point you made on order growth, in H1, being challenged by high comms normalization and so on? I think I get that. Maybe, I'd be interested to know if you actually anticipate group orders to be up or down sequentially?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

On the group, we haven't guided on the orders on that side. Of course , Q1 during last year was quite dramatic because of the supply chain issues, so it went up very much. It's a little bit more challenging on that side. I think from our perspective, we're guiding on the revenues where we say we're gonna get a double-digit growth, and we're very comfortable with that. You wanna add in something there, Timo?

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Maybe just if you look at the first half, the comparable order growth from last year is about 24%. That's of course very, very high, as Björn was saying. If we look at the full year, we expect actually at the moment when we sit here, that the book to bill would continue to be above 1. In that sense, we expect to see healthy market for 2023. We just have super high comparables on the orders.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah.

Gael de Bray
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Thank you very much.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thank you. I'll just connect to the RA question you had earlier. There is a question here from Sean McLoughlin who wants to know, have you seen any cancellations of orders in the backlog in robotics as part of the normalizing trend?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

It's a very solid order book for Robotics and both Robotics and Discrete Automation to like to say. It's a huge order book, and we have to deliver on that during the year. No cancellations what we have seen so far.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Okay. We take the next question from the conference call, and Alex from Bank of America Merrill Lynch should be on the line.

Speaker 10

I am indeed. Thanks very much, Ann. Morning, Björn.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Hi.

Speaker 10

Morning, Timo. I wondered if you could dig a little bit into the resi construction comments that you were making there with respect to Germany and China, I guess. China may be a little bit more obvious given the broader backdrop in China property, but if you could give more color around the overall market across your global resi construction business, that'd be great.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah. I can maybe start, and then.

Timo can cover in. I mean, we've been reporting a weaker residential construction industry for a couple quarters, and I think that actually is remained. We see it in Europe mainly hitting in Germany, where we have a really strong position, and that is reflected in the numbers. We also see it in U.S. and in China at that stage. That is actually the segments that we don't see positive at the moment. That is the only one which has been softening off. Would you like to add something there?

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

I can just maybe chip in a couple of numbers here. When we look at residential construction out of the Electrification business, overall, it's maybe some 15%, but Germany is actually about double that because we have the strong position. As Björn said, we have the Busch-Jaeger business, which is very strong. In that sense, Germany is having a bigger impact for us, and we all know that the German situation, given the gas prices, which are now luckily coming down on the market, has caused some pullback on demand on the consumer side, which is understandable. I think this is really the situation. Now let's look at how it moves forward because we are seeing, I think, electric prices have been coming down maybe faster than expected, so let's see what that does.

Of course, we could have some pent-up demand in China as well on different parts when we start to come out of COVID. I think it's very difficult to read at the moment, but maybe I would say looks maybe slightly more positive than a couple months back.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah.

Speaker 10

You're not really seeing any kind of mitigating factors from energy efficiency arguments or, changing equipment for the benefit of energy efficiency?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

I can say, I mean, it is of course correct. That is a demand globally towards energy efficiency, we see a lot of the investment that have been driving the demand for us is related to energy efficiency, and we do expect that will continue. The IRA Act in North America is going to be extremely important for us with green investments, which is actually our core in our business. Yes, we expect also Europe to come up with some counteractions now in a week from now, I think that probably going to help to drive some demand in our core segments. I think it's looking pretty good.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thanks, Alex. We continue with a question from Andy at JP Morgan. Are you there, Andy?

Andrew Wilson
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Hi, Andy.

Andrew Wilson
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to kind of, I guess, drill down a little bit on China. It's kind of been mentioned a couple of times in terms of some challenges towards the end of the period, which I don't think is a surprise, and I guess some expectation that probably continues in the early Q1. I noticed as well, Björn, some of the comments being reported on Bloomberg is sort of an optimistic view on China. Is it as simple as the underlying activity we would expect to improve, but in the very near term, it's still gonna be challenging to either see that in the numbers or deliver it in terms of volumes, or can we be a bit more positive maybe a little bit earlier in the year?

Just trying to get a sense of what you're hearing on the ground when you speak to the customers.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Andy, I can give you a little bit more meat on the bone here when it comes to China. It's correct that December was a weak month in China compared to the two earlier ones, and very much related to COVID. We were running factories at 50% capacity due to people ill, being home from COVID. And that was really the situation during the end of December. In January, this has gradually improved, and before our employees went on New Year for Chinese New Year, we were actually up in 100%, meaning that this illness from COVID had actually gone through very, very fast and people were coming back. I think it's maybe a little too early to draw too much conclusion for China.

Normally, historically, we know that the weeks or the month after Chinese New Year will set the pace for the year. Personally, I think there could be an upside on China because, it's been locked down for now three years. People been spending very little traveling, little consumption at the moment, and I think there is a chance that China will experience somewhat we've seen in the rest of the world when opening up. But, let's wait until end of Q1 to draw any too big conclusions.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

That's very good.

Andrew Wilson
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Thank you very much.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Thanks. We take the next question from Andreas, please, from Credit Suisse. Andreas, are you with us on the line?

Speaker 11

Yes, I am. Thank you very much for taking my question. I have a much broader one. I just wanted to ask whether, given the performance over this year, also looking at the whole kind of revenue growth performance from 2019 onwards and the guidance for 2023, and given the macro trends and all the push for energy efficiency, electrification, whether you are changing your thinking on the 3%-5% growth, like for our growth outlook that you gave just over a year ago, given that it looks like you've printed about 5% on average and going to do another 5% in 2023.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah, probably expected that question to come as we have delivering on 1 year early on the performance also on the Operational EBITDA. I put it this way that of course, it's been a very unusual time now with COVID and the opening up of COVID, which has put volumes. I think we did a overview 1 year ago on the Capital Markets Day, as you remember. We actually lifted our guidance, I mean, organically 3%-5%, but also including a small acquisition, 4%-7% there. We think at this stage it's maybe a little bit premature to do any kind of adjustment in that part.

We're having the Capital Markets Day in November, end of November, this year, we will definitely review our targets after this year also to say. I mean, we reached the 15%, then we of course need to continue. We will look into that, and that will be reviewed during the second half of this year. Some kind of message we should have by the Capital Markets Day, I think . Not at this stage. We don't speculate too much.

Speaker 11

Thank you. May I just follow up on Electrification specifically? If you could give us some idea how much of the whole portfolio, and or give us any individual pieces, of course we welcome very, much that, is geared towards the push for high energy efficiency and kind of electrification of buildings and mobility?

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

It's a question. I don't know if Timo can answer it, but let's put it this way, that I think the two driving forces now in the green transition that is taking place, one is the Electrification, electrifying the world. You have electrifying America, you have electrifying Europe. That is, of course, one of the big driving forces. You have also the energy efficiency side. That means that many operations all around the world are investing in more efficiency in the operation, and I think that is both reflecting Electrification but also Motion. These two divisions are really the big drivers in efficiency movement there. I don't think I have a number exactly to repeat that.

I would say our portfolio overall is supporting both Electrification and the efficiency movement.

You want to add something, Timo?

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Again, I don't have a number to this exactly, but if you, if you look at the division, clearly in Smart Buildings, we have things like, sockets and that kind of stuff. Okay, you can then say, Is that, "energy efficiency or not?" Or, yeah. When you look at majority of the stuff, even I would say in Installation Products, we also have stuff which goes to medium voltage and, and is actually in energy efficiency. If you look at the DSSP, E-mobility, and majority of the service, I think that's also there. Let's say over 50%, I would say, clearly.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Yeah.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

If you look at the EV charging, where the millions of stations is being put up there, both for heavy vehicles as well for commercial vehicles, or private vehicles, and all of these of course need the power supply. It's driving everything from medium voltage to installation to support these stations all around. Yes, there is a push in these kind of investments which this industry is driving.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much for your time.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thanks, Andre. While we're on the topic of electrification, we have a question here from Niclas Nilsson, who wants to know more about the private placements, that has been announced.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

I think we're very happy to announce that we have, well, actually four more investors that share our view of the growth opportunities in the mobility side. We postponed the IPO due to the in constructive markets at the moment. At the same time, we think the strategy is correct, which means that we have separated the businesses, and as you can see in our press release, we are now also separated out of Electrification, which will have a positive impact on Electrification, and we will put it under corporate. We will also make it transparent for you to see how this business is developing.

We have a new board, now we have $525 million of fresh cash into that business to support both inorganic as well as organic growth. It's now, of course, important that this business, continues to be leader in the market when it comes to that part. We think there are good companies that have come in. We say that. Getting this private placement puts us, of course, a little bit more relaxed when it comes to the IPO. We don't need to make it this year. We will do it when the markets are constructive enough and the strategy doesn't change.

You want to add something?

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

If I just throw in a couple of numbers. I think this sort of proves our thesis that this is a different kind of business, and that's why it sort of deserves this kind of separate capitalization. If we look at now, this is, like, just ballpark 4 to 5 EV to revenue if you look at 2022 numbers. It's clearly different numbers than ABB.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah, yeah.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

That's the whole thing, what we are looking at here. We're looking for fast growth for this business and also it being able to, as Björn said, grow both organically and inorganically, having the means to do so.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

I know we're sort of coming up to the hour here, we'll see if we can squeeze in at least another question from Guillermo on the conference call lines, please? Are you there, Guillermo?

Speaker 9

Yes, I'm here. Good morning, Björn.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Hi.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Good morning.

Speaker 9

Good morning, Timo. Good morning, Ann-Sofie. Thank you for taking my question. Just wanted to ask about pricing. I guess I from what I heard and understood, obviously, there's a 2% sales that is flowing into 2023. I was wondering, with demand levels the way they are, whether you're seeing or experiencing any direction on pricing as we stand, or is it basically now flat on a sequential basis as you see it? I'm just trying to gauge whether there's any different pricing in any of the segments, business units, divisions, or actually any negatives that you may have want to highlight as we stand. Thank you.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Guillermo, let me start here, maybe then Timo can add in a little bit for. First, I think it's very important to know that our viewpoint of pricing is what we work with, what we call value-based pricing, and we implemented this already in 2020, long before we saw inflation numbers in the commodities or in logistic cost and so on. The important thing is, of course, to analyze what kind of value are we creating to our customers and that we're getting paid for it. This is our value-based pricing module. The world turned a little bit crazy, as we all know, the years, and we saw commodity prices going up, and we saw, the logistics and then inflation society was coming in.

The good stuff was there that we had our, in every division, a pricing strategy department, which meant that we had good control over the cost in our operations. Our objective became, of course, to offset this cost, which I think they proved to do very well. When we see the inflation slowly is going down, we do expect less of price increases compared to what you saw during last year. That's, of course, up to these pricing strategic to define what we need to do. It is, of course, important to make sure that pricing is an important strategic part of our performance management systems.

That is the basis, and we will, of course, make sure that we offset cost increases, but also to get the right value price for the value that we can create for our customer. That's the basis for it. Please.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

I am actually not going to chip in any but I will use this as a bridge to just say that this, what Björn mentioned here on the tools to really understand how we drive value-based pricing is something what we are building with this ABB Way transformation as well.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yes.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

That we really get cohesive information per customer, per SKU, and so forth. I mean, we're good at that, but we can be even better, and that is what we are doing when we are wiring the company in line with ABB Way. I just want to say that as this is now a high number, about $180 million, as we said, ABB Way transformation, it will start to go down already 2024, and we might have a bit of a tail 2025, and then it's done. You shouldn't look at it like something which is there forever.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

And with that, uh, we-

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

Thanks, Guillermo.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Thanks.

Ann-Sofie Nordh
Head of Investor Relations, ABB

With that, we're up to the hour. I realize we haven't got through the list of callers. Please reach out to us in our investor relations, and we'll help you the best we can. Before we finish, I just want to sort of bit of a commercial break here, I mean, Björn mentioned the Capital Markets Day that we're planning for this year at 30th of November. We're gonna host it in Italy at one of our Electrification sites, and I hope you will save the date and join us for the day in Italy. With that, we say thank you for joining us today, and we'll see you in a quarter's time.

Björn Rosengren
CEO, ABB

Yeah. Thank you.

Timo Ihamuotila
CFO, ABB

Thank you.

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