Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 29, 2020

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the AMS Half Year twenty twenty Results Conference Call. I am Alice, the Chorus Call operator. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Alexander Everker, CEO Mr. Ingo Bank, CFO and Mr. Moritz Gmeiner, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, gentlemen. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. This is Morte Meiner. I'm very happy to welcome you to this morning's conference call on our second quarter and first half results. Please note that for the financial discussion, there is a presentation available on our website in the Investors section atams.com in the Presentations tab. And now, I would like to turn over to Alex to run you through the developments of our business. Thank you, Maurice. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very happy to welcome you to our Q2 and first half twenty twenty conference call this morning. Before I discuss our business and recent developments around Osram, let me welcome introduce Ingo Bank as CFO on his first AMS earnings call. Good morning, Ingo. Following my comments, Ingo will review our financial results in more detail. Now some key figures to start with. Our second quarter revenues came in at $460,000,000 at the midpoint of our guidance range and up 13% year on year. Our adjusted EBIT for the Q2 was $90,000,000 That is an adjusted EBIT margin of 20% at the top end of our guidance. With this result, we not only achieved a record second quarter for revenues and EBIT margin, but we also recorded the best first half in the history of AMS. And we did so despite the continuing effects from the unprecedented and ongoing COVID-nineteen situation. We would again like to thank all AMS employees worldwide for enabling this success at the time of a global pandemic. With the safety and well-being of our staff as our key priority, we continue to incorporate safety measures around the globe and work closely with customers, suppliers, authorities and partners to limit the effects related to COVID-nineteen. Before I look at the developments in our business, I want to update you on the acquisition of Osram and our way forward. As the key development for AMS in the Q2, we are proud to have successfully closed the acquisition of OSRAM on the 9th July. Following the closing, we owned 69% of OSRAM shares at the transaction value of around €2,700,000,000 As of today, we have further increased our holdings to around 71% of OSRAM shares. Prior to the closing and shortly afterwards, we successfully placed a multi charge bond issue of around €1,250,000,000 equivalent 5 year senior notes. This was a combination of €850,000,000 €450,000,000 in total. The debt issue serves to secure a long term financing structure for acquisition in line with our planning. In addition to that, our intention is to use future excess cash flow for operations to support increasing our Ostrand shareholding further. The closing was a vital milestone for this highly strategic and transformative acquisition, which will now combine the complementary strength of AMS and Osram. We are bringing together 2 leaders in their respective areas and are fully convinced of the outstanding technology, market, earnings potential of this combination. All at AMS are welcoming OSRAM's worldwide employees into the new global team for the combined company, and we are aligning all necessary steps to start integration both organizations. With AMET and OSAM now coming together, we have defined a vision for the combined company: to create the uncontested leader in optical solutions. To achieve this vision, we will focus on the three areas of sensing, illumination and visualization, where we will offer exciting solutions for innovative applications. We look forward to building an outstanding technology platform, delivering strong profitability and growth. This encompasses both technology investment and innovation and ongoing smart transformation of the company in line with our vision. We have declared the intention to pursue a domination and profit and loss transfer agreement, or DPLTA, for Osram, and are driving towards implementing this step. As we are keen to realize this agreement in a timely manner, we are already engaged in required separations. Based on these and our current assessments, we regard an implementation of the DPLTA broadly around year end 2020 as a feasible timeline following required approvals. We will provide further information on the timeline and the steps involved as this information becomes available. On the basis of the DPLPA, we will be able to drive and accelerate the integration and alignment of AMS and OSHOM's business in the most efficient way with the goal to build a strongly profitable combined company over next years. Notwithstanding the DPLTA process, we are now starting to work closely with Osram on the basis of our majority share ownership, taking first steps towards a successful integration of the 2 companies. These include joint initiatives to prepare the future organizational and business structure, align joint customer facing marketing and sales activities and set up combined financial management and reporting. At the same time, we are in the process of realizing Aemet's pre presentation on the Supervisory Board of Osram, where we plan to take a total of 4 seats. In this context, OSRAM will remain an independent majority owned listed subsidiary of AMS until additional steps such as DPLCA are concluded and implemented. As we move towards the combination and integration of the 2 companies, we are making profitability, earnings growth and cash flow generation the primary focus of AMS for all our business as well as the combined company. We will therefore drive our strategic positioning and portfolio in strong alignment with these target metrics. Let me now look at the development of our business. Our business showed a very good performance in the second quarter and first half of twenty twenty against the backdrop of the continuing impact of COVID-nineteen on economies and end markets worldwide. Our consumer solutions once more provided the largest contribution to our overall results in the second quarter and third half. Leading in optical sensing, our strong market position is based on a full range of optical sensing solutions. As a key player in 3 d sensing, we leverage an extensive portfolio and industry leading system know how and address all architecture, structured life, time of flight, direct and indirect and active television. Building on advanced VCSEL and optics capabilities, we offer high performance 3 d illumination for front sight and world facing use. We are shipping high volume three d sensing products to the leading smartphone OEMs, with the Android market contributing attractively in the first half. Here we serve several platforms with different vector3d illumination solutions for world facing eye to eye sensor. These camera enhancement systems have become successful in the market as they allow OEMs to offer significantly improved picture quality. We are extending our 3 d sensing focus and offering through the targeted integration of high quantum efficiency, near infrared image sensing for specific architectures, where our roadmap enables full 3 d solution designs. In display management, behind OLED, light and proximity sensing is continuing its reduction in major analog platforms. Across our full digital management portfolio, we are shipping very high volumes of differentiated sensing solutions to top consumer OEMs. Our unmatched behind OLED technology makes light and proximity sensing invisible by measuring from behind the OLED display, thereby eliminating bezel placed components. Leading Android OEMs have been driving penetration of the technology, which is becoming a common entry on high end feature lists. Against this backdrop, we are realizing and expanding multi generation Boralex roadmap for the coming years. We focus on innovation in optical sensing through ongoing significant R and D. We already introduced innovative technology for camera automatic white balancing earlier this year. Here, our highly accurate spectral sensor opens a new way of boosting mobile camera performance. Precise spectrum analysis of the light environment drives significantly better picture quality and natural color expression. This delivers outstanding results and measurable benchmark improvements for OEMs. The solution is shipping in high volume into 1st flagship platform, and we expect broader adoption of the technology going forward. We are pursuing a development roadmap for direct time of flight three d technology, a more complex time of flight architecture that offers important advantages for longer distances. We see high performance, die come of light illumination and systems that build on our industry leading 3 d illumination and sensing expertise as a focus of innovation for the next years. This is driven by our view of direct time of flight emerging into an important three d area, while market interest in future world facing application is growing. We also continue development activities to create front facing 3 d sensing technology for face invisible components from the device face. Leveraging our singular behind OLED know how and 3 d system capabilities, which are built around VCSEL illumination, near infrared sensing, software and algorithm, we plan to demonstrate behind OLED 3 d technology using active stereo vision around year end this year. Later on, we plan to explore potential architectures for behind OLED 3 d sensing related to structured light. All in all, we see direct time of flight and behind OLED's 3 d technology as very attractive opportunities for the coming years. Audio sensing performed in line with expectations based on our strong position in high performance digital and hybrid noise canceling technologies. Looking out into the next years, we see a number of new optical sensing opportunities and potential applications, which we are pursuing across the top smartphone OEMs. These are based on our strong relationships and high level of engagement at each of these customers. To give you some idea here, these include the area of direct time of flight behind OLED light sensing and behind OLED 3 d. But for example, also the highly innovative technology opportunity for the camera space. So we are working to bring new and better solutions to customers, driven by our focus on high value innovation and differentiating capabilities. I will now turn to the Automotive and Industrial and Medical business or our non consumer business, which as a whole recorded a muted performance in the second quarter and first half. This was in line with expectations to the continued impact of COVID-nineteen. In automotive, global demand weakness and lowest automotive production remained apparent in order trends and volume requirements, so our business performs along expectations. We navigate through this challenging environment looking forward to a more significant strengthening of automotive production globally. In 3 d LiDAR, we continue R and D for illumination in several programs at different Tier 1 suppliers where our high power VCSEL arrays enable advanced LiDAR architectures. Beyond this, we are seeing ongoing good market traction in LIDAR from our partnership with LIDAR technology leader, Ibeo, in Germany. Our internal VCSEL production, where a ramp up continues through this year, is already fully automotive qualified, offering further differentiation in the VCSEL market. The emerging area of optical in cabin sensing, or ICS, shows positive momentum as OEM and Tier 1 suppliers are highly interested in new in cabin comfort and safety applications such as monitoring. We are developing products for the 1st secured ICS projects, including a 3 d time of flight application and see further opportunities around active stereo 3 d capability. Our industrial business also showed a continued subdued performance in the Q2. This reflected ongoing weak demand in industrial markets due to COVID-nineteen impact worldwide. As we progress towards recovery of demand, our broad customer base and leading position in industrial and factory optimization, HABA, global shutter imaging and other industrial sensing remain supportive factors for our industrial business. Our Metals business continued to perform well in the Q2, in contrast with the remaining automotive, industrial and metrical markets. In light of the COVID-nineteen pandemic, we have been fulfilling demand for broader deployment of CT scanners that help clinical COVID-nineteen diagnostics through medical imaging. Driving innovation, we note positive momentum for our recently announced new use of spectral sensing in lateral flow test or LFT. Here, we enable fast diagnostics by optically analyzing LFT results at the point of care with very high accuracy. We have announced a partnership with the European medical test provider, Cinnova, for an integrated LFT test kit for COVID-nineteen antibody testing. This incorporates our spectral sensor, and we are advanced towards first production runs in the second half. We hold a strong technology position in spectral sensing on the basis of our unmatched technology. I'm excited to confirm that we're already exploring several additional partnerships in medical testing for different LFT applications. You may recall that LFT is a well established medical testing method that is used for a variety of bacteria, viruses and medical parameters. We therefore see a meaningful growth opportunity in this area for the coming years. In manufacturing operations, we have maintained volume production in all locations despite the continued COVID-nineteen related restrictions and challenges. We continue detailed measures to safeguard employee health and production capacity worldwide. This makes us fully aligned with customer requirements and able to support evolving customer demand. Our Singapore manufacturing showed a strong operation performance through the first half and expect this to continue as capacity utilization increases with expected higher production volumes in the second half. Before I come to the outlook for our business, we have taken note of the Osram fiscal year Q3 results that came out this morning. We are encouraged by Awesome's view that the past quarter has marked the low point in the automotive business and that they anticipate their revenue trends to reverse in future. We're also glad to see that Osram is continuing to actively pursue its cost reduction programs, as we would clearly expect in the current situation. So the focus on returning to positive numbers and cash generation needs to be top priority. Let me now turn to the outlook for our business. For the Q3 2020, we expect very good growth for the AMS business despite the ongoing COVID-nineteen pandemic impacting economies and our end markets on a sequential basis. This growth will be driven by volume ramps for smartphone sensing solutions, while our automotive and industrial business continues to show limited demand and provide a muted contribution to results. Let me briefly comment on the consolidation and presentation of Auslan. We will be fully consolidating Auslan as of the beginning of Q3 2020 and intend to include Ausam as a separate reporting segment. Going forward, we plan to continue our practice of providing a financial outlook for the current quarter. Given the current financial guidance structure of Osram, however, our financial outlook for the Q3 2020 only comprises the AMS business. So based on available information and the above mentioned definition, we expect 3rd quarter revenues for the AMS business of $530,000,000 to $570,000,000 up 20% sequentially at the midpoint. This positive outlook encompasses strength in our consumer business, compensating for ongoing demand weakness in the majority of our non consumer business. Despite the situation, we also expect strong profitability for the Q3 with an expected adjusted operating margin of 21% to 24%, which underlines the excellent operational performance of our business, including manufacturing. Let me add to that. While the COVID-nineteen pandemic and its effects are ongoing, we expect second half revenues to be higher than our strong first half. And so I would see the Q4 to be clearly stronger than the Q3 this year, based on information we see today. To me, the development of our business demonstrates that we are able to manage the current situation well despite its challenges. Please note that the mentioned expectations assume no further unforeseen negative effects from the COVID-nineteen pandemic that would result in a meaningful negative impact on our business. With this, over to you, Ingru, for more details on our financials. Thank you, Alex, and good morning to you on the call. It's my pleasure to welcome you to my first earnings presentation as CFO of AMS. I'll provide you with an overview of our financials for the Q2 and the first half of twenty twenty. Please note that you will find the financials starting on Page 23 of our investor presentation available on our website in the Investors section. So let's get right into it and starting with Page 24, looking at the top line development. As Alex mentioned, our Q2 group revenues came in at $460,300,000 the highest Q2 in the history of the company, demonstrating the strength of our technology portfolio despite the challenges of a demanding COVID-nineteen environment for our industry and the world economy. This revenue level translates into a year over year growth of 13% when compared to the same quarter a year ago. The underlying driver of this increase was a strong consumer business based on solid smartphone volumes and consumer ramps. You see this also reflected in the revenue breakdown into key markets, where the ongoing strength in our consumer business more than offsets the muted demand in the automotive and industrial markets given COVID-nineteen. Revenues for the first half of twenty twenty were US961 million dollars a growth of around 22% compared to the 1st 6 months of 2019. On Page 25, towards the right hand side, you see our total backlog, which stood at US250 $1,000,000 at the end of June, pretty much unchanged compared to the $255,000,000 at the end of Q1 2020. As you all know, this reflects the typical situation of significant intra quarter business playing a meaningful role for our total revenues, particularly on the consumer side. Moving to gross profit on Page 26. Our Q2 2020 adjusted gross margin came in at 39.8%, a strong 2 40 basis points year over year increase compared to the Q2 2019. For the 1st 6 months, the company's adjusted gross margin was at 39.6%, up 460 basis points from the same period last year. The improvement in the gross profit reflects current capacity utilization paired with productivity improvements in our manufacturing processes in Singapore. Moving now to Page 27. R and D spending in the second quarter was USD 68,300,000 or 15% of revenues. This was in line with our expectations, also representing a meaningful decrease from US75.4 million dollars in Q2 of last year. Our continued strong R and D spending supports a range of platform developments and major product opportunities, including new optical sensing technologies for consumer and automotive, industry and medical. Examples being LiDAR behind OLED, direct time of flight and ICS. Let me also point out that whilst there will always be quarter to quarter variations in R and D spending, our targeted full year corridor remains to be 12% to 14% of revenues. Let me move further down in our P and L. SG and A expenses were US65.2 million dollars equaling 14% of revenues compared to US46.5 million dollars in the Q2 last year. The increase compared to last year largely reflects transaction related expenses with respect to the Osram acquisition. We continue to pursue efficient spending on overheads, targeting lower relative SG and A costs in the future once the transaction related costs have cleared out. Page 28 shows our adjusted EBIT for the 2nd quarter, which was US90.1 million dollars or 19.6 percent of revenues, the top end of our guidance for the quarter. This profitability level is a very strong improvement from the US49 million dollars or 12 percent of adjusted EBIT margin in Q2 of last year, largely driven by the improvement in adjusted gross margin pointed out to above. It is also a historic high for the company in a second quarter. Let me now turn to net results and earnings per share. Please turn to Page 29. To allow for a consistent presentation of the company's financials, we are also showing from this Q2 2020 onwards the net result and earnings per share on an adjusted basis. In other words, excluding acquisition related and share based compensation expenses. A reconciliation to the IFRS basis of presentation is included on Page 22 of our Healthier report for your reference. This way of presentation better aligns with the performance measures of adjusted gross profit and adjusted operating profit or adjusted EBIT that we've just discussed. The adjusted net results for the Q2 came in at US56.8 million dollars up from $52,200,000 in the same period in 2019. The company's net financing result in the quarter was driven by fees related to the Ofgem transaction and slightly higher interest expenses when compared to the same period in 2019. It came in with minus US32.1 million dollars Adjusted basic and diluted earnings per share were CHF 0.21 and CHF 0.2 respectively and or US0.22 dollars and US0.20 dollars This compares to CHF0.66 and CHF0.61, respectively, CHF0.65 and US0.60 dollars in the Q2 last year. Let's now look at the balance sheet and the cash flow of company to complete the picture on the financials. I'm on Page 30 now. Cash and cash equivalents stood at $2,300,000,000 at the end of the quarter, compared to $825,000,000 at the end of the Q1. This change mainly resulted from the successful completion of the equity rights issue at the beginning of the quarter. Let me also quickly touch on other key balance sheet items now. Our trade receivables stood at US121 $1,000,000 at the end of June, down from US142 $1,000,000 at the end of the Q1. Our DSO was at 35 days, very similar to the last quarter. Inventories were US246 million dollars stable when compared to the end of the Q1, reflecting our efficient approach to managing our overall supply chain. Moving to the liability side of the balance sheet now. Net liquidity stood at approximately US56 million dollars as per the end of the Q2 2020. As per the end of June, AMS current debt stood at approximately US1 $1,000,000,000 while non current debt stood at approximately US1 $200,000,000 Earlier in this month of July, we successfully placed a multi tranche issue of around €1,250,000,000 equivalent 5 year senior notes with international investors, comprising €850,000,000 and $450,000,000 notes in total. The debt issue served to secure a long term financing structure for the acquisition in line with our planning. Given that the placement closed in July, it is not yet reflected in our Q2 2020 financials. Based on our net liquidity position at the end of the second quarter, there is no meaningful key figure available for the computation of leverage as of the end of the Q2 2020. Our operating cash flow was again robust in Q2, more than doubling to US106.2 million dollars from US49.7 $1,000,000 in the same quarter last year, largely driven by the improved operational profitability of the company. I'm very pleased to see that a very good cash flow generation is continuing into 2020 as we expected. On Page 31, you can see that our CapEx spend in the Q2 was US20 $1,000,000 significantly below last year's Q2 of US47 $1,000,000 This development is the result of mainly 2 key aspects. Firstly, the completion of our major CapEx cycle last year and secondly, a responsible way to manage investment requirements for our business in the current economic environment, balancing the need of strong liquidity management with the requirement to continue to invest into future growth and innovation. For the balance of the year, we expect capital expenditures to continue to be limited, in line with our planning. For the sake of completion, let me also add that we have successfully concluded our share repurchase program in the Q2, comprising 5% of the issued share capital. The objective of the share buyback was to rebuild treasury stock to service obligations on the long term employee incentive plans. This was following the rights issue given that under Austrian corporate law, treasury shares are not entitled to subscription rights in the context of a rights issue. We used the EUR 1,650,000,000 proceeds from the April rights issue in the meantime as funds for paying the consideration of the Tenet Osram shares that we received at the closing of the Osram takeover on July 9. Following the closing, we owned 69% of OSRAM shares at a transaction value of around EUR 2,700,000,000 excluding treasury shares held by Ausrem. As of today, we have increased our holdings to around 71% of OSRAM shares through additional market purchases. We are in a position to buy additional shares going forward and plan to use future excess cash available from operations to support further increases of our Alseram shareholdings. And with that, I would like to thank you for your attention and open up the floor for questions. The first question comes from the line of Sebastian Stavowicz from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Mr. Stavowicz, your line is open. Can you hear me? Yes. One question on your guidance for Q3, sorry for the phone. It shows as a limited seasonality as compared to the past. What are the reasons behind that? Do you see any inventory correction among your large OEM? Or is there any delay in the ramp of some specific project for some customers? So any clarification there will be quite helpful. And second one is on the DPLT that you expect to come by the end of this year. So based on that, when do you expect to see the first synergies coming in? Are you still comfortable to reach the €100,000,000 of synergies 3 years after the completion of the acquisition, despite that the DK LTA is coming about 6 months after the deal? Thank you. Yes. Thanks for the question. Let me answer your first question. Ingo takes the second one. Related to Q3, there is we cannot talk about specific customers or projects, but there is an understanding in the market that there is a certain delay for certain platforms. I think it's also very important to understand that this year with COVID-nineteen is not comparable to any year before that. We also have mentioned that we clearly see a very challenging market situation in the industrial and on automotive business. And lastly, I can say that in the consumer space, we also recognize different forecast behaviors from the majority of our customer base. And certainly, I would see a stronger 4th quarter compared to the Q3, which underlines this what I said in the beginning of my answer. Yes. Maybe on the second part of the question on the synergies, we feel very confident about the synergies and the level that we communicated earlier. We have been able to do some work in the meantime together with Alterym actually to further underpin the improvement opportunities that we've seen before and they were more than confirmed in those discussions. So and timing wise, we also don't see that this possible DPLT being somewhat a bit later, maybe as Sun has assumed to be anything that would sort of not help us realize the synergies in the time that we originally foresee. So the plan is still the same. Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Robert Sanders with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Yes, hi. Good morning. My first question was just around the board seat representation that you now have adults around. I was just wondering how you arrived at the number. And going forward, will you appoint management will you suggest management appointees into OSRAM? Or is that something you'll do following the DPLTA? And I have a second question. Yes, Robert, thanks for the question, Alex. So we stated that we want to bring up to 4 members to the Supervisory Board. It's announced now the first three, which is basically Hans Peter Mettler, former Infineon Executive Thomas Stockmeyer, CEO of AMS and Johan Eitner, a former supervisor of a member of AMS and works council member. This was a decision to take these 3 gentlemen first, but we will add a 4th position 3 to 4th. Got it. And just the second question would just be an update on the VCSEL market. Momentum in that market. Given what's happening in world facing, what are the opportunities there? Can you piggyback on other companies' success like Sony's as well as your own? Is that something that you think will be a big growth driver in the next couple of years? I mean, yes, well, so world facing is a large opportunity for us, and that certainly includes VCSEL for the illumination part. And we have not seen any difference towards our previous statements. And what is clearly what our perspective is that, by time of flight, we consider as the strongest technology for applications we foresee for the future, driven by a much longer distance capability for world facing applications. Okay. Thanks a lot. The next question comes from the line of Juergen Wagner with MainFirst. Please go ahead. Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Actually, I have 2. First, you mentioned you want to control Ostrom by the end of the year. What size of restructuring charges we then have to expect in Q4? And the second question coming back to your Q3 guidance, looking at operating leverage, you basically added around €100,000,000 sales. In past years, when you added similar size of revenues, your operating leverage was higher. What is the reason for that? Thank you. So hi, this is Ingo speaking. So as far as the synergies are concerned. We would expect to start implementing some of those as we've defined with Alstrom as to what extent it will lead or not lead to restructuring expenses. I think it's a bit too early to call that out. We're still early in the process as far as that is concerned. I think it's also important to note that if you look at the OSRAM numbers that they are running ahead of their program. They have taken restructuring charges also in this year. So there are ongoing activities as we speak. As far as the your question on the operating leverage is concerned. I think if you look at the increment from the second to the third quarter, I think you will find that properly reflected also in our guidance, as we said. Please also note that overall the share of automotive industry and medical is a bit lower to compare to the past. But on a sequential basis, I think what you will find that the leverage is still working for us. And therefore, we believe that the range we've given you at 21% to 24% is representative also how we see volume developing. Okay, good. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Achal Suthania with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Two questions. First, if I may, on the back facing 3 d sensing approach. I know you have a lot of patents around different areas. So can you give us some color as to what is that you are seeing the highest adoption as of now from your key customers for the world facing 3 d camera? Is it VCSEL? Is it the top sensor? Is it packaging? Is it some algorithm? Any color on that would be really helpful. And then secondly, on the structured light approach, Alex, you mentioned that obviously you've been working to try to bring that technology under the glass. We know that there are multiple vendors involved in supplying the whole solution for structured like today. So even if you put your chip under the glass, we still need to see all other chips from different vendors being put under the glass. So where are we on that and how closely are you working with other parts of supply chain to make sure that that whole technology, the dot projector, the camera receiver, all of that can sit under the glass for structured light in the future? Thank you. Yes. Thanks for the question. So, certainly, we see world facing based on time of flight technology evolving. We see quite some interest there. We see interesting use cases coming up. One certainly, what we mentioned before really is related to camera enhancements to create a better picture quality. I think ARVR will also step up in the near future. This is for us today predominantly illumination based and in certain areas of the algorithm. Related to behind OLED, certainly, as you correctly said, this is a complex topic. That's why it takes quite some while to develop it. We are certainly front runner in this area based on our system competencies. And certainly, we work with other companies and partners together because the whole solution as a whole has to work. But it's too early to give you details about the content and the methodology for that. But we are convinced we're on the right path to find a solution, which is addressable for customers. And we consider it as a multistage approach as a behind all the 3 d application. Okay. Thank you, Alex. The next question comes from the line of Aditya Metuku with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Yes. Good morning, guys. So I had three questions. Firstly, just on the ASV OLED, the behind OLED 3 d sensing solutions. Just looking at your 4Q 2019 transcript, it looks like you had said that you'd have a demo ready in 6 months. And reading the release today, it sounds as if you're now talking about the end of the year when you'd have a demo ready. Has something changed here in terms of your road map? Or am I reading too much into it? It seems to me like it's delayed by 6 months, but if you could let us know on that. Secondly, just a follow-up on the previous question. You I just wondered if you could give us a sense for where you stand versus competitors when it comes to direct time of light on the rear 3 d sensing applications. Are there any bits of the solution within the whole module where you're particularly strong? The reason I ask is the recent teardown of the tablet that came out in March, we didn't see any solutions from you. So any color there would be very helpful. And then a question for Ingo, just on OSRAM, what is the funding situation here? If you could update us, if you decide to get 100% by the end of the year, have you got bridge loans, etcetera, lined up? Any color here would be very helpful. Thank you. Yes. Thanks for the question, Alexia. Let me answer the first two questions into the last one. On the development of active spare revision behind OLEDs, there is no change in our plan, as we mentioned. We have very early development. We have a very clear concept how to bring this technology behind the OLED. We still consider to have a demonstrator available by end of the year and then start discussions with customers based on this demonstrator to design future developments potentially with customers and for their projects. On time of flight, certainly for us the strongest engagement is on the illumination side. But we also have a roadmap to have a broad solution in this space. And it's always a decision of which projects we pick based on capabilities and resources we have available. But we are very confident that we are very strongly positioned with the technology for future applications. Yes. And then maybe to your second question on the funding situation. So, I think the recent bond placement was, 1st of all, an important step to establish a longer maturity funding structure supporting this type of transaction. The first next step we're now looking into is the refinancing of the also net debt position. And we're working with the company on that as we speak. As far as the DPLTA is concerned, maybe point out 2 things. First of all, I still have a bridge at my disposal and I have a number of other market options. So that we're looking into. But I think it's also important to understand that if you look at historical precedents that the likelihood of investors putting all their shares minority investors putting all their shares to you at the moment of registration of the DPLDA is very, very unlikely. If you look at we've looked at precedents in the history and there's hardly been any case actually where a significant amount of shares were then basically traded in. In any case, we will be sort of setting up a funding environment that will sort of also cater for this. But now for now, the most important factor refinancing of the net debt of Outstream and the rest of the preparation to go into a DPLTA. Understood. Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Gardiner with Barclays. Please go ahead. Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the question. Just another one on the 3 d architecture development, both related to direct time of flight and the below screen developments you mentioned. You talked about sort of the work you're doing and the customer interest. I'm just wondering if you can give us a better sense as to timing as we spend here today. When do you think you would be ready in terms of a direct time of flight solution or, say, structured light below screen? When would you be ready when a customer is calling for this type of technology? Thank you. Yes. So, as mentioned before, direct time of flight, we consider as a very important technology. It's in development. We are already engaged in the illumination part. And we consider a roadmap bring complete solutions in the next years to come on the market. On the structured light behind OLED, this is a technology we're looking after we brought the technology for active stereo vision behind OLEDs, which is, as I mentioned before, end of the year as a demonstrator, relates with such a light that it will be the next step. This is more complicated, more complex, But we have already a concept and ideas how to achieve this. And that's why we're also talking about this that we have the ability we believe we have the ability to bring this to the market. So, there are basically 2 technologies, active stereo vision and structured light can offer competencies to bring this functionality behind the OLED screen. But this is certainly, when you talk about active design wins with customers, a process over the next years. So is that next year's so couple of years? Yes, it's not for next year. Understood. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Andreas Muller with ZKB. Please go ahead. Yes. Good morning, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my questions actually. One was really on the timing basically of integration costs and synergies. Can you outline again the €400,000,000 and the €300,000,000 how that will be dispersed over maybe this year already to next year to 2022? That's the first question. Yes. So I mean, as we said, the first priority now is to get into finalizing all the work that is necessary to enter into a DPLTA. Once you've done that, we can basically start also executing a number of the plans that we've in the meantime put together with OSRAM on realizing synergies and the like. And in terms of phasing of these synergies, I think we've always said that we would see a lot of the synergies being realized a big part or so in the 1st 2 years, And that phasing assumption has not changed. As far as the €400,000,000 is concerned, I think that's that was an estimate at the very beginning of launching the transaction. And I would assume that to be extremely conservative. And again, this is something we are now going to reassess in the next couple of quarters months to come. But I would not consider the $400,000,000 as the reference that I would take. I think it's substantially lower than that. Okay. Thanks. And then maybe the follow-up on the CapEx plans. I mean, currently, you're running extremely low at AMS. That's going to be the case probably for this year. But for next year, how do you see it? And can you give a hint what's the combined CapEx plans? At what level we should model next year for the combined basis? Yes, maybe I think we should not we should both not forget that both companies, Ultram and AMS, have just completed a major CapEx cycle us here in Singapore and also for a large extent in Malaysia. So therefore, CapEx level should come back to what is kind of expected to be from the normal to support tooling and specific investments for specific projects with customers. And that's why we've also said, I said in my prepared remarks that we would expect CapEx to be lower this year than about a year ago. And for next year, we are still making the plans together as offshore, and we won't tell you what they will be. But for now, I think it's too early to make a statement here. Okay. Thanks. And my last question is on the overlaps. One is high power WEXL. You've got that from Alstom, but also from the AMS side. I mean, are there plans to run it parallel probably for different end markets? Or is there do you have far too high capacity there? What are the plans on that field? Or the overlaps in general maybe? Yes. Alex, yes. So, on the VCSEL side, and as you correctly said, this is one of the small overlap related to the transaction. There are a lot of opportunities. These are different technologies. So, what we acquire from the Princeton acquisition we have done is a more high power part than the VCSEL acquisition, what Osram has done. But in the VCSEL area, we see so many opportunities. And to find very good designers is not easy in this market. So bringing both teams together makes a lot of sense. The portfolio the breadth of the portfolio will be much larger. We have the opportunity as on the AMS side to have a wafer fab, which is a VCSEL wafer fab, which is automotive qualified, which OSAM does not have. This is a foundry based business on the OSAM side. So, putting both teams together and create a very strong VCSEL portfolio with internal manufacturing and very competent designer makes a lot of sense. So we don't see it as an overlap. We see it as an overlap. We see it as an addition to strengthen our VCSEL business. Okay. Thank you very much. The next question comes from the line of David O'Connor with Exane. Please go ahead. Great. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Maybe firstly, Alex, if I can go back to your Q4 commentary, you mentioned it was going to be up quarter over quarter. When I look at the last 2 years, the Q4 seasonality has been plus 2% quarter over quarter. So the strength you're seeing into Q4, is that along the lines of this typical seasonality? Or are you talking about something more substantial where you can see revenues grow H220 versus H2019? That's my first question. And then I have a follow-up for Ingo. Thanks. Yes. So we obviously cannot give a specific guidance on the Q4, but it's very clear to us that we see a stronger Q4 compared to Q3. I think in this business, it's very hard to compare the years the previous year with this year. COVID-nineteen is a very different situation. As you also know, the structure of our business is also evolving with having more Android business into our portfolio. The automotive industrial market this year is certainly different to last year. It's very hard to compare that. But what I can say is that we see the guidance for the Q3 we have given and we see a stronger Q4 based on what we have said on Q3. And this is also in line what we mentioned before that even though with COVID-nineteen, we have seen or we expected a stronger second half compared to the first half. That's helpful. Thanks, Alex. And then maybe as a follow-up, if I could touch on the OSRAM divestments. You've talked about already digital divestments and also recently some mention of automotive AM division as you mentioned as a possible divestment. Can you just help us understand the plan for the Osram auto that's the AM segment there? And I have another question on Osram as well. Thanks. Yes. So first of all, to clarify one thing, we have seen the same articles in the press that we would have the intention to sell the automotive business. That's not our intention. I think even multiple calls, we explained that automotive is very strategic to us. We gave even clear examples where the sensor business from AMS and Automotive can create integrated solutions. So there, we could not see confirm anything what we have seen in the press to that statement. What is true is and we also mentioned that we don't see a strategic rationale behind the QuantiTrust Venture. Certainly, we're looking at that one together with the Austrian guys. And certain digital, we also are very clear that at least the OSAM teams on the next steps to address this topic. Okay. That's quite helpful. And maybe one last one, if you just squeeze one in quickly. I thought it was interesting in the presentation. You talked about accelerating the microLED process development. Just wondering why now are you accelerating the investment there in microLED? Have you hit a certain milestone internally with customers? Or have the product timeline been pulled in by customers? Any color around that acceleration would be helpful. Thanks. Yes. So, obviously, I can't go in detail there. But what I clearly can say is the micro LED technology is superior what we have seen now on the Osram side. It's very clear to us that the microLED business is a very compelling technology for future applications. We clearly see applications emerging into smaller screen displays like for AR or watches, but we also see a path and interest to look at larger displays. And that's certainly a technology that's extremely exciting. And we would consider as a good growth opportunity, especially if you combine with our sensor capabilities. And that will be completely unique in the market where we don't see any competitors out there today who's capable to combine micro LED displays with sensors. Very helpful. Thank you. Pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session for today. I would like to thank you again very much for joining us this morning for this results conference call, and we look forward very much to talking to you again after our Q3 results. Thank you very much everybody and have a good day.