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Earnings Call: H1 2025

Aug 20, 2025

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Geberit 's half-year results conference call. Geberit achieved convincing results in the first half of the year. Let me start, as usual, with the three key statements for H1. First, we achieved a net sales growth of 4% in local currencies, despite a continued challenging market environment. Second, excluding one-time costs for the closure of our ceramics plant in Wesel, we kept operating margins stable. Third, we achieved an EPS growth of 6% if the plant closure costs and negative currency effects are excluded. Let me begin our review with a few comments on the top line for the first half of the year. Net sales increased by 2% to CHF 1.66 billion, negatively affected by currency effects. Negative currency effects led to a net sales loss of CHF 37 million, or - 2%.

In local currencies, net sales increased by 4%, driven by growth in almost all countries in Europe, and the continued strong development of new products. The top-line growth was fully driven by volumes, and sales price effect was around zero in H1, since the positive effect of the sales price increase in the second quarter was compensated by a technically driven negative price effect in Q1 and selective price adjustments in Switzerland due to the strengthening of the Swiss franc over the last years. This brings me to the regional net sales development. All growth figures refer to growth in local currencies. In Austria, net sales increased by 10% thanks to strong growth with our new product. In Germany, net sales grew by 6% with double-digit growth in bathroom systems. In Benelux, net sales grew 6% with growth in both countries, Belgium and Netherlands.

In Italy, net sales were up by 3% in a softening new build market. Net sales in Eastern Europe increased by 2%, negatively affected by a strong phase effect. In the Nordic countries, net sales grew by 1% with growth in all countries, excluding Norway. Switzerland and Western Europe were the only two regions in Europe which recorded a sales decline, both by - 3% in the first half of 2025. Switzerland was affected by selective price adjustments due to the strengthening of the Swiss franc over the last years, and Western Europe was negatively affected by a market decline in France, which was only partially offset by strong growth in Iberia. Let me now turn to the regions outside Europe. In the Middle East/Africa region, net sales increased by 25%, driven by Turkey and South Africa. In America, net sales grew by 10% due to the strong U.S.

faucet business. Net sales in foreign specifics declined by -5%, driven by declines in China, partially offset by strong growth in India. Let me now comment on the sales development per product area, again in local currencies. Installation and flushing systems and piping systems both increased by 3%. Bathroom systems net sales grew by 6%, driven by strong growth of our shower toilets and the U.S. faucet business. Let me now comment on the sales development in the second quarter. Net sales declined by -2% and reached CHF 787 million in Q2. The negative currency effect accelerated versus the first quarter and affected the top line negatively by CHF 34 million, or -4%. In local currencies, group net sales increased by 3% with one working day less than last year.

The sales price effect in Q2 was around 0%, since the positive effect of the general sales price increase as of April was still limited due to the fact that deliveries in April and even into May were mostly still on old price levels and because of the before-mentioned currency-driven price adjustments in Switzerland. Let me turn now to the regional development, again in local currencies for Q2. In Europe, net sales increased by 1%, a slight slowdown versus the first quarter due to more challenging comps in the second quarter and wholesale rebalancing of the pre-buying before the April price increase. Outside Europe, net sales increased in the Middle East/Africa region by 36%, driven by very strong growth in Turkey and in America by 15%, partially due to the pre-buying of customers in anticipation of tariff-related price adjustments.

Net sales in foreign specifics declined by -8%, driven by declines in China, partially offset by growth in India. I continue with the sales development per product area in Q2, again in local currencies. Installation and flushing systems and piping systems both increased by 1%, while bathroom systems increased by 6%, driven by the strong growth of the shower toilet business and the U.S. faucet business. I come back to the first half of the year with some comments on the operating and financial results. The negative currency effect, as well as the one-time charges related to the closure of the Wesel ceramics plant, led to a declining operating result in Swiss francs on all levels. We booked EUR 17 million one-time costs for the site closure in Wesel in the first half of the year.

EUR 12 million on OpEx level, already fully booked in Q1, and EUR 5 million on depreciation level, thereof EUR 2 million already booked in Q1 and EUR 3 million in Q2. Excluding the site closure costs and excluding negative currency effects, all bottom line results increased mid-single digit versus previous year. Let me continue with the discussion of the EBITDA development. EBITDA in Swiss francs decreased by 1% to CHF 514 million in the first half of the year. Excluding negative currency effects, EBITDA increased by 2%. The EBITDA margin reached 30.9%, decreasing by 70 basis points, which can almost entirely be attributed to the already mentioned one-time operating expenses of EUR 12 million related to the closure of the ceramics plant in Wesel. Excluding this one-time effect, the EBITDA margin in Swiss francs would have reached 31.5%, only 10 basis points below its previous year's level.

The positive effect from the operating leverage on the EBITDA margin was offset mainly by three factors. First, the wage inflation of 4%. Second, 21% higher energy prices. Third, investments in several dedicated growth initiatives in emerging markets and additional expenditures for IT and digitalization. EBITDA margin reached 26.0% in the first half of the year, a decrease of 110 basis points, also almost entirely driven by the plant closure costs of EUR 17 million. Excluding these one-time charges, the EBITDA margin would have reached 27.0%, again only 10 basis points below previous year's level. Net income reached CHF 339 million, a decline by 3%, which resulted in a net income margin of 20.3%. Earnings per share reached CHF 10.28. Excluding currency effects and excluding the site closure costs, EPS would have reached CHF 11.18, an increase of 6% versus previous year.

EPS growth also benefited from our share buyback program launched in 2024. CapEx decreased by CHF 8 million, or -12% to CHF 55 million due to varying project timings. Free cash flow increased double-digit by 14% to CHF 247 million due to timing of tax payments and CapEx. Let me now comment on our market outlook for the full year 2025, which does not differ significantly from our outlook given at our Q1 result communication in May this year. In Europe, we still expect a slight decline in new build activity as building permits fell by 2% in 2024 and continued to decline slightly in the first quarter of 2025 by -3%. This decline should be offset by a positive renovation segment, which contributes around 60% to Geberit 's sales, as indicated by several indicators, for example, increased real estate transactions.

In sum, we continue to expect building construction demand in Europe to stabilize in 2025 overall. Outside Europe, we expect a mixed picture for the building construction industry. Strong demand is forecasted in several markets, for example, in India and the Gulf region. In China, on the other hand, we expect a continuation of the market decline due to the challenging residential sector. The now effective U.S. tariffs are not material for Geberit Group, since the share of our U.S. business is only 3%, and most of the products sold in the U.S. are also manufactured in our two plants in the U.S. On the supply side, we expect for Q3 a sideways development of direct material prices compared to Q2. Let me now briefly comment on the Geberit priorities this year. We will continue to have a strong focus on new products.

For example, the new Duofix installation element, but also important new products introduced over the last years, like FlowFit, Mapress Therm, and the shower toilet Alba. Other important initiatives this year are dedicated sales activities outside Europe, for example, in India, and increased OpEx in the area of IT and digitalization, for example, for AI initiatives and digital marketing efforts. Let me continue with our full year guidance. Despite the overall stabilizing building construction market, the short-term future is still difficult to predict due to the increased geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainties and our general low visibility. Under the assumption of no material changes of this fragile environment, we expect for the full year net sales growth in local currencies of around 4% and an EBITDA margin of around 29%. Net sales in July were above previous year's level and grew in line with the full year top line guidance.

Please also note that the full year EBITDA margin guidance of around 29% includes EUR 16 million site closure costs, thereof EUR 12 million already booked in H1, and another EUR 4 million expected to come in H2. This brings me to the updates for the total closure costs for the site in Wesel. At this stage, we expect a total of EUR 25 million for the site closure. This is less than the previously communicated EUR 40 million. The main reasons for the reduced closure costs are lower depreciations caused by higher value of land and buildings, expected transfers of machines to other plants, and an updated view on OpEx. The expected total closure costs of EUR 25 million will be fully booked in 2025 and 2026 and consist of EUR 18 million in OpEx and EUR 7 million in depreciation. Let me close our introduction with a short summary.

Geberit delivered convincing results in the first half of 2025, with a net sales growth of 4% in an overall stabilizing market environment. Operating margins were at previous year's level, excluding the one-time effect of costs related to the Wesel ceramics plant closure. This means that earnings per share, excluding closure costs and negative currency effects, grew by 6%, which we consider as a strong result in this still challenging market environment. For 2025, we continue to expect a stabilizing market demand in Europe and a mixed environment overseas. Geberit is well prepared to continue its outperformance in this environment, as already demonstrated several times in the past. Our confidence is based on the fundamental need for our products, our resilient strategy and business model, and our long-term focus and track record. Thank you for your attention. We are now ready to answer your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question or make a comment may press star and one on the touch-tone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to disable the loudspeaker mode while asking a question. Anyone with a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from Gosh Pujarini from Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Ghosh Pujarini
Research Analyst, Bernstein

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. First question on pricing. In April, you had already started the pricing increase. When we look at your results today and see the almost negligible pricing impact in H1 as well as Q2, for H1, we can understand it's because of the negative impact of customer bonuses and the price adjustments that you've done in Switzerland. Why is it still zero in Q2? Did you have to further cut some prices in Switzerland? Following from that on the price cost side, pricing was flat and raw materials have been slightly down, leading to the net positive pricing impact. When we look at wage and energy inflation, could you talk about the levels of wage and energy inflation in Q2? Would that then imply negative overall price cost for Q2? Thanks.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I start with the question around pricing in Q2, and Tobias will answer then the questions around wage inflation and energy costs in Q2. The sales price effect in Q2 was still around 0%, although we increased prices by 1% technically per April. The reason why it was still only around 0% and not yet strong or positive were two. One is, as you mentioned correctly, the selective price adjustment in Switzerland due to currency. Secondly, the fact that in April and even into May, the deliveries were still made on all price levels. Order intake still until the end of March, but the deliveries were still into May on the lower price level. That's the reason why, if we round numbers, price effect in the second quarter was still around zero. Wage inflation and energy will be answered by Tobias.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Wage inflation in Q2 was at 5.8%. That will be the highest level in the entire year. That is also due to certain one-time effects that are also booked in Germany with the other increases. Energy inflation in Q2 has only been slightly up a couple of percentage points, so that is not really material. However, these two points do not flow into the net price increases. These would be reflected under other costs. That is not an impact on the 0.4% on the margin bridge.

Ghosh Pujarini
Research Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Martin Flueckiger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Martin Flueckiger
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got two, and I'll step back in line afterwards. Firstly, if I understood your press release correctly, the second quarter after the announced price increase as of April 1st saw some wholesaler inventory rebalancing. Can you talk a little bit about your impression you got from your discussions with wholesalers, what their inventory management behavior is going to look like in Q3 and Q4? Any indications here would be helpful. Thanks. That's my first question. The second one is on the trading update for July, if you're willing to talk about that. If you could provide us with an indication, as you have done over the last two quarterly results in terms of like-for-like sales growth in July, that would be helpful. Thanks.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

First question, indication about inventory behavior of wholesalers in the second half of the year. We don't have good insights what wholesalers will do in the second half of the year. However, what we got qualitatively as a feedback is that the inventory levels as of end of June were more or less on a normal level. It was not still inflated by the price increase as of April, but it also was not on a lower level than normal. At the moment, normal level, no indication what could happen in the second half of the year with the wholesaler levels. Sales in July were up, and also like-for-like, they were in line with our full year guidance, top line guidance of a growth of 4%. As I said before, that was also like-for-like, so adjusted per working days and currencies.

Martin Flueckiger
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Christian Arnold from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yes, good morning all. On Switzerland, could you quantify the negative price effect, or at least give us a kind of an indication? Are we talking here about 1%, about 5%, about 10%?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

That depends on the product categories because it was a selective price adjustment. We did not do a price adjustment across the board because that depended very much on the currency, and that depends on the manufacturing location. Therefore, I can't give you that one number, but I can give you an indication that volumes were around zero in Switzerland in the first half of the year.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you. On Germany, I know you are not usually talking about quarterly or Q1, Q2 development on a country basis. Nevertheless, Germany is so important, and the +5.9% were quite impressive. Could you give here some color about Q1, Q2? Were there huge differences? Does the whole pre-buying effect have a material impact? If you could give us here a little bit more color on that.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Q1 in Germany was better than Q2, also driven by the sales price increases and pre-buying and rebalancing thereafter. Maybe even a bit more, a little bit more pronounced than what we have seen on a group level.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, similar, kind of slightly, yeah.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

A little bit more dynamic than what you see on a group level in Germany.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Very good. My last question will be Geberit's focus in 2025. If I compare your press release of Q1 and now today, you added one bullet point, and that is this Duofix. Maybe you can elaborate a little bit here. Why have you added this focus here? Is it already major or materially impacting your development in 2025?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Two reasons. First of all, as you know, the Duofix is one of the most important products which we have in terms of share of sales, so it's a high importance. Secondly, also the internal activities are very much focused at the moment on the introduction of the new Duofix 4. It was not the intention to put that into the media release that you might believe that it had an impact on the top line, maybe, if this is your question. It's more about the activities and the importance of the product.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Patrick Rafaisz from UBS. Please go ahead.

Patrick Rafaisz
Analyst, UBS

Yes, thanks. Good morning, everybody. A follow-up on pricing. I think you explained well the various drivers why the number was 0% in Q2. What should we then anticipate for the rest of the year? Will pricing be below the 1% because of the offsets in Switzerland, maybe half a percentage point? Or do you still think 1% is the right number for the rest of the year? That's the first question. Second question on the outlook. Bathroom systems clearly stood out. You mentioned the pre-buying in or the strong faucets business in America and shower toilet. In your guidance for 4% local currency growth, does the H2 picture by product category look similar as well to H1, or will there be different drivers?

Lastly, third question on this pre-buying you mentioned in America, how much of a pull-forward effect do you anticipate here that we need to factor in for the second half? Thanks.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Question number one about pricing outlook for the full year. For the full year, obviously, we will not reach a 1% sales price effect due to the fact that we have around about a zero effect in the first half of the year. Also, keep in mind that this negative effect from the price adjustment in Switzerland obviously has also an impact in the second half of the year. The rest, so the effect that we still have order deliveries like in April and into May on all price levels, obviously, that will not be the case anymore. That will accelerate in the rest of the sales area that this price factor should become obviously clearly positive. Second question, what are the drivers in the second half of the year for the full year top line guidance of 4%?

Pretty much the same drivers as what we have seen in the first half of the year. We also expect on a full year basis that the bathroom system might outperform the other two product areas. Question number three, U.S. pre-buying in anticipation of tariff-related price increases. We think that we have already seen in Q2 some of these pre-buying effects because although we are manufacturing in the U.S., we also have some materials which we buy from outside the U.S., which will be affected locally by tariffs. Therefore, we expect or we believe that already in the second quarter, we have seen some pull forward of customers in anticipation of potential tariff-related price increases.

Patrick Rafaisz
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thank you for this.

Operator

The next question comes from Elodie Rall from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Elodie Rall
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. My first one is on the impact from working capital in Q2. You mentioned less favorable impact in Q2. I was wondering what your expectation is for the year, together with the CapEx timing, since you mentioned a bit of phasing and maybe delays. If you could give us expectations for the year as well on CapEx. My second is on margins. Usually, H2 margins are seasonally lower than H1, if I'm not mistaken. You had a lot of one-offs in H1 this year. I was wondering if you still think the seasonality effect will be seen on margins H2 versus H1 this year. Finally, my last question is on expectations for a European recovery. Are you still expecting softness in H2? I was wondering when you expect to see a recovery there. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I start with the third question about the European outlook, and question number one and two will be answered by Tobias. As said in our introduction, we still expect a stabilization of the European market this year. Do we see a recovery towards the end of the year? No, it's just a stabilization. The indicators do not show that we expect on the short term a recovery. What will happen next year, we don't know yet. As usual, we'll provide you with the market outlook at the beginning of next year with regards to 2026.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Coming to net working capital and CapEx. On the CapEx, the slight decrease compared to last year in H1 is purely timing related. The full year outlook remains at the CHF 180 million communicated already early in the year, and therefore, on a very similar level to last year. That is pure timing of projects, which last year were more H1 loaded, and this year we are more H2 loaded, but there are no delays in the projects. When it comes to net working capital, a single quarter is always a bit coincidence what comes out, especially if you look at the net working capital from all the activities. Overall, net working capital and the cash conversion cycle is very stable with us and evolves with the business activities.

We have seen in H1 overall net working capital from operating activities decreased or increased by CHF 5 million, but decreased from other activities. That is net only CHF 1 million impacts from net working capital in H1. However, in Q2, the net working capital, in fact, was larger with CHF -12 million and CHF -11 million from other activities. Again, a lot of that is pure timing related in the quarter. If you look at the half year, which is a more meaningful period, there's basically no impact from net working capital.

Operator

The next question comes from Charlie Fehrenbach from AWP. Please go ahead.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Good morning, gentlemen. I'm not quite sure if I missed your guess for the wage inflation in the full year. Thank you.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

The wage inflation for the full year remains at 3%- 4%, like stated already in Q1.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Okay, thanks a lot.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star followed by one. The next question comes from Harry Dow from Rothschild & Co. Please go ahead.

Harry Dow
Equity Research Analyst, Rothschild & Co

Yeah, thank you. Morning, everybody. I think I've just got two questions. Thanks. Firstly, just on the drop through from volumes. I think if we look at the first half, the impact from improving volumes, even if we exclude kind of the one-off plant and currency, on margins was still quite small. I think that's down to some of the operating investments in IT and sales and things. How should we think about those investments in the second half relative to the first half? Should the drop through be higher from the improving volumes in the second half relative to the first half? Maybe as we go also into 2026, should we expect some more investments kind of in IT and sales and other things as well to think about? Secondly, on the performance of new products relative to, I suppose, some of the core products in the portfolio.

I don't know if you can give any color on the performance of Alba and other kind of newer products. Is that really the main driver of like-for-like, or is there really pretty much across-the-board growth similar in all products? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I start with the second question around the new products and the Alba development. We have achieved a very good first half of the year, also a good second quarter, also with Alba. Not only Alba, but also the other two important new products, Mapress Therm and FlowFit, were important contributors to growth in the first half of the year. We are confident that they will do so also in the second half of the year. Question number one will be answered by Tobias.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Of the CHF 20 million we announced for higher marketing and digitalization, etc., we had less than CHF 10 million in H1, and we're still expecting the CHF 20 million for the full year. Let me also quickly come back to the second or third question of Elodie Rall before, which I did not answer on the seasonality of the margin. I mean, we communicated the one-offs linked to the closure of the Wesel ceramics plant, and excluding these, we would expect exactly the same seasonality that we have normally.

Operator

The next question comes from Remo Rosenau from Helvetische Bank. Please go ahead.

Remo Rosenau
Head of Research, Helvetische Bank

Yes. Good morning, everybody. It seems to me that in the current, still quite difficult environment in the market, you are gaining quite some market share, particularly in Germany. How are actually your competitors in Germany reacting to that, like Viega or Grohe? Are they just doing nothing here? Is there any kind of reaction here or potentially also on pricing and so on? What are your observations here?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I don't want to speak in detail about competitors or specific names, but there are no extraordinary reactions or, let's say, surprising reactions which we see in the market. For example, what you mentioned in terms of price wars or pressure from the pricing side, we don't see these kind of reactions.

Maybe we see that some of the competitors who reduced their activities during the downturn of the last two or three years might start again to build up certain activities and also strengthening their fundamentals again. There is nothing surprising or anything where we have now to react, which we observe at the moment, especially in Germany with regards to competitors.

Remo Rosenau
Head of Research, Helvetische Bank

Okay. Good for you. On the plant in Germany, the closure, do I recollect it correctly that the initial number was rather $40 million for the closure costs, and now it's $25 million? Is that correct? If so, what has turned out better than expected? Could you remind us on the annual savings you expect out of that?

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Starting with the end of the question, the annual savings will be roughly EUR 10 million starting as of 2027. Yes, you understood that correctly. We had previously EUR 40 million of total costs consisting of EUR 25 million OpEx and EUR 15 million depreciation. The new figure is EUR 25 million in total. The better results are due to, on one side, higher length and building costs and also more machines being able to be transferred to other sites, therefore decreasing the need for depreciation. On the other side, also a more realistic view on total OpEx costs, which consists of closure costs, retention costs, social plan, etc., and transfer costs. A better overall view of the OpEx led to a more positive view.

Remo Rosenau
Head of Research, Helvetische Bank

Okay. Great. Thank you very much. That's it for me.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Martin Flueckiger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Martin Flueckiger
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, thanks so much. Just a follow-up on the topic of energy costs. Could you, Tobias, please provide us with the guidance on how much you expect energy costs to buy into margins in 2025? That would be helpful. Thanks.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

We don't have a clear visibility, but for Q3, we expect roughly the same level as in Q2, which is slightly above previous year's level. Really, again, talking only a couple of percentage points, and overall energy is a relatively small amount for us compared to cost of material, for example.

Martin Flueckiger
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

The last question is a follow-up from Christian Arnold from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Thank you. Also on energy, I just wanted to clarify. Did I hear you correct in H1? You actually had energy costs went up 21% as a whole, and then in Q2 actually only slightly up.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

That is correct. We had very steep energy price increases in Q1. They were at +36%. Therefore, easy to calculate, H2 was only slightly up. The total is then 21% up for the half year.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Research Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay, thank you for the clarification.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

We have a follow-up question for Mr. Fehrenbach from AWP. Please go ahead.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Yeah, thanks again. Given the flat volume development in Switzerland in the first half, can you make a kind of an outlook of the situation in Switzerland? You're expecting the second half here in the construction area. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I can only talk about the market, not about our volumes because we don't want to give volume outlooks country by country for our sales. In general, we are quite optimistic for Switzerland that building construction activities should be positive. Also, in the second half of the year, we are rather positive in Switzerland than negative for the market.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Okay, thanks a lot.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference.

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