Geberit AG (SWX:GEBN)
Switzerland flag Switzerland · Delayed Price · Currency is CHF
532.20
+4.20 (0.80%)
May 7, 2026, 5:30 PM CET
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q1 2026

May 5, 2026

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our Q1 results conference call. Geberit had a successful start into the year 2026. Let me start with the key statements for Q1. First, an encouraging net sales growth of 3.4% in local currencies, negatively affected by pre-buying of wholesalers in December last year and the cold weather in Northern Europe in January and February this year. Second, stable operating margins if one-time costs from the previous year are, and currency effects are excluded. The third, a growth of EPS of 4% in CHF and 10% in local currencies. Let me now comment on our net sales development in more detail. Net sales grew by 3.4% in local currencies to CHF 873 million, equally driven by volume and price.

A strong negative currency effect of CHF 35 million, or minus 4.0%, led to a net sales decline in CHF of minus 0.7%. We come now to the regional development. All growth figures refer to growth in local currencies. In Europe, net sales increased by 3%, with growth in all markets except the Nordics due to the bad weather in January and February. In the Middle East Africa region, net sales increased by 13%. Sales in March also increased despite the war in Iran. Only a small portion of the business in March was affected by the war, namely shipments that were logistically disrupted due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. This currently still disrupted business accounts for less than 1% of group sales and is therefore very limited on group level.

The remaining business in the Gulf region, which is not served through the Strait of Hormuz, has been and continues to operate at normal levels. This brings me to the other two international regions. In America, net sales decreased in Q1 by 4% due to a soft project business. In Far East Pacific, net sales declined by 1%, driven by declines in China, partially offset by growth in India. Let me now comment on the sales development per product area. Installation and Flushing Systems grew by 4%, and Piping Systems and Bathroom Systems both increased by 3%. I will now comment on the operating and financial results. I start with the EBITDA development. EBITDA increased in Swiss francs by 2% and in local currencies by 7%, driven by the base effect from one-time costs booked in the previous year.

The EBITDA margin reached 32.5%, an increase of 100 basis points, which can be fully attributed to the one-time costs last year. Excluding this one-time effect and in local currencies, the EBITDA margin remained stable. In Swiss francs, the EBITDA margin decreased only slightly, thanks to our strong natural hedge. Positive operational margin drivers were a positive net price effect, driven by increased sales prices and slightly lower direct material prices. Secondly, positive operating leverage from the volume growth. Thirdly, efficiency gains. These positive margin drivers were offset by wage inflation of 3.4%, and secondly, dedicated investments in marketing, IT, and digitalization. The EBIT margin increased in line with the EBITDA margin by 90 basis points and reached 28.0%, supported by the beforementioned base effect.

Similarly, the net income margin increased by 110 basis points to 22.4%. Earnings per share increased by 4% and reached CHF 5.94. In local currencies, EPS increased by 10% for this previous year. Let me start our market outlook with some preliminary remarks. The outbreak of the war in Iran and the heightened geopolitical tensions significantly increased the macroeconomic uncertainties. This makes the forecast of inflation, interest rates, and consumer confidence, all important drivers for the construction industry, very difficult. The following market outlook therefore excludes potential impacts of the war in Iran on building construction demand outside the Gulf region, as this effect cannot be reliably quantified. Under the assumption, we continue to expect slight growth in Europe in the course of 2026. However, no broad recovery yet.

Based on the stabilized building permits last year, we expect a stabilization of the new build activity this year. For the renovation demand, which represents around 60% of our business, we are more optimistic and expect a slight growth in Europe this year. Outside Europe, we foresee a mixed picture for the building construction industry. Some markets should see good demand, for example, India. Other markets will continue to decline, for example, China, due to the collapse of the new build sector in China. We continue to refrain from a market outlook for the Gulf region. As already mentioned, the direct sales impact from the war remains very limited. Less than 1% of group sales are currently affected due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. The remaining business in the Gulf region is still running at normal level.

This brings me to the impact of the Iran war on the supply side. Regarding the availability of raw materials, we are not experiencing any interruptions. We continue to receive all raw materials required for our production facilities in the necessary quantities. On the pricing side, however, we are affected by substantially higher plastics and higher energy prices. Overall, we expect direct material prices to increase by mid to high single digits in Q2 compared to Q1 this year and also versus Q2 last year, driven by higher plastics and energy prices. To compensate for the absolute cost impact of these price surges, we decided to implement an extraordinary sales price increase as of June this year. This sales price increase affects only plastic and energy-driven products, and the magnitude will be differentiated by product categories.

Overall, across the entire product range, this extraordinary price increase as of June amounts to approximately 2% of group net sales. Together with the regular price increase as of April and the already communicated extraordinary price increase for copper Piping Systems as of April, we expect for the full year 2026 an overall sales price effect of 2%-2.5%. Let me finish our outlook with the trading update for April. Like for like net sales in the month of April were up mid-single digits. Let me now briefly comment on the Geberit priorities this year. We will continue to have a strong focus on new products this year. For example, the new shower solution launched in April, but also important new products introduced over the last years. Like for example, the new Duofix, FlowFit, Mapress Therm, and the shower toilet Alba.

Other important initiatives this year include new marketing initiatives and further effort in the area of IT and digitalization. We are increasing our operational expenditures by CHF 20 million this year for these initiatives. Let me close our introduction with a short summary. Geberit had a successful start into the year 2026 with an encouraging net sales growth in local currencies. We increased our operating margins thanks to a one-time effect last year. Excluding this base effect and currency effects, we kept operating margins stable despite significant wage inflation and increased OpEx for various strategic and operational initiatives. For 2026, we expect a slight growth of the building industry in Europe and a mixed environment overseas under the assumption that the war in Iran has no significant impact on the building demand outside the Gulf region.

The direct sales impact of the war in Iran is very limited. Less than 1% of group sales are currently affected due to the logistical constraints to the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf. On the supply side, we are not experiencing any disruptions and continue to receive all raw materials required for manufacturing. On the pricing side, we will implement an extraordinary sales price increase effective June this year to offset the absolute cost impact of substantially higher plastics and energy prices. Furthermore, irrespective of the market environment and increased geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainties, we will continue to invest this year in sales and marketing initiatives, in innovation, in efficiency, and in capacity to further strengthen our market position in and outside Europe in the short and in the long term. Thank you for your attention. We are now ready to answer your questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. Thank you. I have three questions if possible. First, I guess given you're announcing the price rise in June, do you see any pattern of stocking up at wholesalers in Q2Q, or any worry that they will actually de-stock given the pricing levels that the products are getting to? Second thing, just on raw materials, you very clearly said you don't really see any particular tightness or issues in getting hold of raw materials. Are you considering, like, stocking up more intensely? How should that impact sort of like free cash flow generation this year, if so? The third one, just if you can do your usual comment for April start. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

To the first question, yes, we believe that the extraordinary price increase as of June will have a pre-buying effect. Obviously, wholesalers will try to buy at lower levels. That will have a positive effect. Second question with regards to availability of raw materials, we have taken several measures. One of them, we have also increased our safety stocks. Therefore, we are confident that we will not run in any shortages in terms of raw material availability. The third question was around April. I really didn't get it. What was the question again?

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Normally, you comment on how April had started.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Oh. I'm sorry. We did that in the introduction. Maybe you didn't get it.

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Oh, sorry, I missed that.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

All good. Like for like, net sales were up mid-single digit in April.

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Just on the second one, on the points, I was also wondering sort of like if you're stocking up, are you stocking up more than normal on raw mats? Should we think about any impact on cash conversion this year related to that, or is it washed throughout the year?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

We've already done so by the end of Q1. Beyond that, at that point, we're not expecting much more, so anything else would already be reflected in the current figures.

Daniela Costa
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Understood. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Elodie Rall from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Elodie Rall
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. Thanks, good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. To start with just a follow-up on this mid-single-digit sales increase, like for like that you've seen in April. Do you think this is already positively impacted by pre-buying, given its accelerated versus Q1? That's my first question. Second, the price increases that you are announcing, you said, will be offsetting on absolute the cost impact. What are the margin implications in your view at this stage? Lastly, can you give us a bit of color about the contribution from new products in Q1 sales? Thanks so much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

First question about April, we announced this extraordinary price increase to customers in the second half of April, so most probably, some of the April numbers were already driven by pre-buying from wholesalers. Second question. We want to compensate the absolute impact of the raw material price increase with this extraordinary sales price increase. That means that there is a slight negative impact in terms of relative margins. The third question, in terms of new products, we have had a very good start also with the new product into the first quarter. All, the before mentioned new products were developing very nicely with significant growth also in the first quarter.

Elodie Rall
Analyst, JPMorgan

All right. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Martin Hüsler from Zürcher Kantonalbank. Please go ahead.

Martin Hüsler
Analyst, Zürcher Kantonalbank

Yes, good morning, everyone, thank you for having me. My first question is, can you talk a bit about Europe and if you saw diverging trends, except maybe for the Nordics that you mentioned, but what you see in the three, four biggest markets? That's my first question.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

The, let's say, biggest impact, extraordinary impact we have seen in Q1 was the weather in Northern Europe in January and February, which affected sales negatively. March was already much better, and some of these lost sales due to the weather, we think, have been compensated in March. Secondly, we have not yet seen any direct impact from the war in Iran on demand of the building construction industry in Europe. I think these are the two most important remarks to the market in the first quarter in Europe.

Martin Hüsler
Analyst, Zürcher Kantonalbank

Oh, okay. If you could share, let's say, one word on Germany.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Germany is the same as what I just said for Europe. In Germany, obviously, also the northern part was more affected by the bad weather, but the fundamental demand has not been affected. We expect for Germany overall this year, a stable, maybe even slightly positive market, also supported by the new build. Building permits have now been growing in Europe, as are in Germany, for the residential sector for four quarters in a row. Overall, building permits for the residential sector were up 2% last year. Also, the first two months, January and February, building permits were quite significantly up in the residential sector in Germany. Even the non-residential sector started to stabilize as well for the last two quarters in Germany. We are, let's say, quite optimistic for a stable or slightly positive market in Germany this year.

Martin Hüsler
Analyst, Zürcher Kantonalbank

Thanks a lot. That's helpful. Maybe my second question is about the extra spendings on marketing and digital initiatives. You already mentioned them for Q1. I thought they were a bit back-end loaded. Should we really assume them to happen like a quarter by quarter of the CHF 5 million+?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

One does not exclude the other. Yes, we already had cost in Q1, but yes, they're ramping up in the course of the year. But they had in Q1 a slightly higher effect than the CHF 20 million of last year.

Martin Hüsler
Analyst, Zürcher Kantonalbank

Okay. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Martin Flueckiger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Martin Flueckiger
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, thanks. Morning, gentlemen. I've got three questions. The first one is on the consumer sentiment in Europe. We've seen that, particularly with regards to expectations for financial conditions in households, the consumer sentiment is falling sharply. Are you not concerned for your business as we move into H2 in 2027, that this will start to have an impact on your business? That's my first question. The next one, the second one is on the development of showroom visits in Q1. I was wondering whether you had any data to share or observations to share with regards to showroom visits, you know, whether there was some positive or negative momentum. That would be helpful if you could elaborate on that.

Finally, my third question is on the volume mix and pricing effects on the EBITDA margin in Q1. I was a little bit surprised by the volume mix effect, which to my mind, looked a little bit lower than what I had anticipated, at least. I was wondering whether there was a negative mix effect in there or how, you know, whether you could provide a little bit more color on that. With regards to the pricing effect on the EBITDA margin, that was a little bit higher than more significantly higher than what I had anticipated. I was just wondering, you know, whether it was all just raw material price driven or whether there were any special selling price effects in there. Thank you so much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I start with the third question. The price effect in the first quarter was a bit higher than what we also expected. Roughly half of the net sales growth in local currencies of the 3.4% was driven by pricing. To this, a little bit higher pricing effect, we have also a higher net price effect in the EBITDA bridge, and in other words, a little bit a lower volume growth, and that means a little bit a lower volume effect in the EBITDA bridge. The second question about showrooms in the first quarter, no specific observations or data. We didn't hear any specific remarks from any specific regions, with the exception maybe obviously of the Gulf region, where the situation has an impact on the showroom activities.

Apart from that, we didn't hear any specific observations or activities or changes in activities in showrooms in the first quarter. With regards to consumer confidence, consumer confidence might be a driver for some private business decision. It may be. We have not yet put a lot of efforts into better foreseeing what might happen with the consumer confidence in our business. Important for us is that we are prepared whatever might happen in the second half of the year. We are not very much worried at the moment about the topic you mentioned with the consumer confidence.

Martin Flueckiger
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Great. Thanks.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from John Revill from Reuters. Please go ahead.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Good morning, gentlemen. Can you hear me?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Yeah.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

Yeah.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Super. Okay. I was just wondering, just on your outlook, it's basically the wording is exactly the same as it was at full year. I just wondered if you just thought as obviously, the conflict is still going on in the Middle East. Is it, I don't know, is it more of a concern now because it seems to be lasting longer, or is there more of a concern around that? Is the situation more serious, do you think, because it's basically continuing? Secondly, could you just expand a bit more on the channels, how it affects you in terms of I know you talked about inflation and consumer confidence, but, I mean, how else could it affect you? I mean, it's not affecting you directly.

You said only about 1% of your sales in the group sales are affected by currently at the moment. On the broader thing, I mean, could this lead to higher interest rates because of fears about inflation, which therefore weighs on construction? Can you just give us a bit more of a kind of general view of how the macro situation could be affected by the Middle East and how that would then weigh on the construction sector? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

First question, you're right. Our outlook is not substantially different to what we said six weeks ago or seven weeks ago with our full year results, because we haven't seen any impact on our markets from the situation in the Middle East, for example, on Europe at the moment. This brings me to your second question. That's exactly what we tried to say in our introduction. We are not the macro experts. We do not know what are the potential impacts from the war in the Middle East or in Iran to the macro environment, to interest rates, and then indirectly, obviously, the build construction demand. Since this is not part of our circle of competence, we are not putting a lot of effort into that. We're putting our effort into being at best flexible, whatever might happen.

For example, we talked about that before, ensuring the raw material availabilities, making sure that we take the right pricing decision. We are preparing to all the scenarios, and we are not speculating on what might be the impact of the Middle East on the consumer confidence in Europe.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Excellent. Okay. Just also, you've announced this extraordinary price increase of 2%. Do you think that, I mean, do you think that's gonna be it for the year then, or do you think there could be something or could you You're not ruling out there could be something else later on then if prices go up substantially again? What was your normal price increase for this year as well? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

We had a normal pricing increase of around 1% as of April, which turned out to be a bit higher, as I just explained before, due to various mix effects. We did a 1st extraordinary price increase, but only for copper pipe systems. That's a relatively small part of our business as of April, and now this extraordinary price increase for plastic and energy-related products. With that, we try and we will compensate for the absolute impact of these raw material price increases. What will happen in the rest of the year, that also depends obviously on the raw material pricing side.

At the moment, we feel comfortable with this second extraordinary price increase of around 2% as of June.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Right. Okay, thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Arnaud Lehmann from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much. Good morning, gentlemen. My question is relating to other costs, fixed costs in particular. I think in Q1, your personal costs are down a little bit 4%. I guess there are some currency effects in there, but could you talk about what other costs you're expecting, including wages for the year? Do you think that the pricing increase and the efficiencies will be enough to offset this other costs, please?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

We're not commenting on the full year margin. On the bit and piece that you ask on the personnel expenses, yes, it's -4% in CHF. Currency adjusted, it was slightly down only. It was a wage increase of 3.4% in Q1. We expect for the full year wage increase of roughly 3%. Apart from that, no special effects to be mentioned.

Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much. My second question, if I may, just on raw materials availability. You say you haven't had any issues so far. Could you give us a bit of color on any, I mean, I guess in your European operations, are there any energy or raw materials that are sourced from Asia? Have you seen any shift in the availability of these products? Did you have to make any adjustments in your supply chains? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No. Our raw material supply is very regional and local. Most raw materials which we use in Europe is coming from Europe as well. Hardly any materials coming from Asia into Europe, and almost no material coming from the Middle East.

Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Cedar Ekblom from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks very much. Hi, gentlemen. I just had a follow-up question around the new product introductions. You spoke qualitatively around, you know, good adoption, positive trends there. I wonder if you could give us a little bit more quantitative color on how much of your volume growth in the first quarter came from new product introductions, and also some quantitative view on what you think new product introductions can contribute to the top line in 2026. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I can't quantify the exact number of the contribution of new products into the volume growth of the first quarter, but I can give you an indication. On average, we generate about 20% of net sales, annual sales with new products. The growth contribution also in the first quarter of these new products was more than 20%, although I don't have an exact number in mind.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Yassine Touahri from On Field Investment Research. Please go ahead.

Yassine Touahri
Analyst, On Field Investment Research

Thank you very much for taking my question, Yassine. Just a bit of a clarification on the pricing. It seems that your pricing in the first quarter was approximately 1.7%. Could you explain a little bit what is the mix effect and what is the execution of the price increase, which was higher than expected? You're mentioning a mid-single digit like for like growth in April. Is it fair to assume that it's the same kind of like a price increase, 1.5%-2%, or was the mix effect different?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

To the first question, the mix effect which we have in pricing are of various nature. First of all, keep in mind we have 10,000 of article numbers in SKUs, and we have a differentiated pricing approach in general. We don't increase every product exactly by the same price increase. It means you have a mix effect just from the assortment. We have a mix effect also from the type of business. For example, project business versus standard business. You have some fluctuations there that also have an impact on pricing, obviously, project versus standard. We have geographical mixes. In the first quarter, it turned out that all these mix effects turned more or less into the same direction. That's the reason why our price effect in the first quarter was somewhat higher than what we also expected internally.

The second question was about April, if that was also driven by the price effect. Yes. Obviously, that was driven by the price effect as well. We don't know yet the exact number, but that might have been most probably the same rate as in the first quarter.

Yassine Touahri
Analyst, On Field Investment Research

Is there any, is there any reason why this mix effect should be more normal in the future, or do you think this positive mix effect could be sustained for the, for the year?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, that's more also coincidence, you know. It's some coincidence sometimes you have just the law of statistics that things go in the same direction. That's not a structural effect, it's just by coincidence. That's the reason why pricing is not an exact science. It's quite hard to predict the price effect of 10,000 of articles, including project business, including rebate systems, including different systems country by country. It's just statistically nothing to bother. It was a bit higher than expected. Sometimes it's a bit lower. Nothing to put your brain force into.

Yassine Touahri
Analyst, On Field Investment Research

Your pricing view for 2026 of 2% to 2.5% excludes any mix effect? Is that the right way to look at it?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It includes the mix effect which we have seen in the first quarter, of course, because that's actual.

Yassine Touahri
Analyst, On Field Investment Research

That's okay. Thank you very much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Christian Arnold from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yes. Good morning, gentlemen. Follow-up question on the pricing. You told us that the last extraordinary price increase as of June has been announced second half of April. Could you remind me about the extraordinary price increase for copper? When have you announced that to the wholesalers?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

That was, I think, second half of February, but I can't remember exactly. I think it was second half of February. Don't overestimate the effect because copper is relatively small.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. It's also in the magnitude of around 2%?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

The price increase was around 5%. Exactly 5%.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

5 %.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Yeah.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I mean, the share of safe of copper pipe systems is not too big. That's what I meant.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Clear. On the region Middle East/Africa, I mean, you were mentioning that the impact was not that much in the Gulf region, although in the slides, you say growth in all market except the Gulf region. There is some kind of decline. Even more, it's impressive that you reached this 13.5% growth. Can you explain that a little bit? I mean, is South Africa booming or what's happening there?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, you can divide the Gulf region at the moment into two parts. One part is the part which is served through the Strait of Hormuz, and the other part, for example, Saudi Arabia, where products are shipped and delivered not through the Strait of Hormuz, but through the Red Sea or on the land by transportation way. The only part which is affected within the Gulf is the part which is served to the Strait of Hormuz, and this is less than 1% of group sales. The rest of the Gulf region is running relatively normal. For example, in Saudi, we have growth in all three months, also in March. All in all, this Gulf region was down in March and in the first quarter.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

The Africa region is growing 20%+.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

The rest of the Middle East/Africa region is doing very well. Correct as well.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Maybe follow up, you were saying that in Europe you have not experienced a shift in demand pattern due to the Iran conflict. Nevertheless, what we also observe is that we have a boom in heat pumps. I wonder how big the risk is that actually capacities of installers are moving away from sanitary more to heating solutions. Any comment on that?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

We didn't hear anything from wholesalers or plumbers in the first three or four months with regards to heat pumps, to be honest.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Patrick Rossaint from UBS. Please go ahead.

Patrick Rossaint
Analyst, UBS

Thanks and good morning, everybody. Two follow-ups, please. The first would be on what you just described on the impact of the Strait of Hormuz. Can you add a bit more color? Is that purely a geographical impact, the less than 1% that's affected by logistics or is that affecting certain product groups disproportionately? The second-

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Sorry. It's purely geographical.

Patrick Rossaint
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Good. The second question is a follow-up on pricing and on trying to understand the margin impact. I understand what you said that the price increases are here to cover higher costs. That could be dilutive on the, you know, mathematical margin. Is it also fair to assume that for Q2, you still have enough safety stock of raw mats that you can cover or bridge April, May until your price increases hit so that you don't suffer an adverse effect?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, I think that is not true. Not that we have so much raw material on stock that we can produce with cheap raw material, so to say, in the second quarter. The raw material prices will be affected in the second quarter, as we said, substantially by the increased plastic and energy prices, mid to high single-digit increase. However, and I think that's your question. However, the safe price impact will only have an impact as of June. There's a certain delay effect, which is a conscious decision. We always want to give our customers, wholesalers, but also plumbers, the opportunity to increase their prices, for example, for a project in the coming weeks. That's the reason why we have a certain delay effect, which will also impact the margin in Q2.

Patrick Rossaint
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Vithushan Vadachamoor from Berenberg Europe. Please go ahead.

Vithushan Vadachamoor
Analyst, Berenberg Europe

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Just coming back on the margins, please. Q1 came in slightly ahead, despite wage inflation and higher spending in IT, digitalization and marketing. I mean, should we view the Q1 gross margin performance as probably sustainable into Q2, Q3, or was there any temporary benefit from timing, mix, or procurement? The second question would be rather on a regional mix. Europe held up well, and Middle East Africa remained rather good, so strong, while America stayed weak. Could you elaborate on what is driving the softness in the Americas and whether you expect this to remain a drag through 2026, please?

Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I take question number 2, Tobias will answer question number 1. In America, we have been affected by a bit of softer project business in the first quarter. That was the main reason why sales were slightly down in the first quarter. Question number 1, Tobias, please.

Tobias Knechtle
CFO, Geberit

As for the margin, on Q1 year-on-year, the one thing to remember is that in Q1 last year, we had the special cost for the closure of the one factory, Wesel. If you look at the current year and sequentially, Q1 is representative in terms of cost for the rest of the year. I said there would be a wrap-up of the CHF 20 million. Margins obviously will be impacted by the said effect on pricing increases and the cost material. As always, we're not speculating or giving any guidance on the fully outlook of the margins. In terms of cost, nothing special to expect.

Operator

The next question comes from Alessandro Poletti from Octavian. Please go ahead.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Yes, good morning, everybody. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two quick questions maybe. One on the Bathroom Systems actually, which was growing in line with the Piping Systems. I was a little bit surprised because I thought it might be growing faster. We have had a couple of quarters with good growth there. Honestly, I thought it was due to the new shower toilet, which should be my expectation, a sustainable growth story. I was wondering what happened there.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

First of all, a general remark, don't put too much emphasis on quarterly numbers also on the product area. Behind your question, I think it's the question how is shower toilets doing in the first quarter. Shower toilets is growing very nicely. We are growing double digits in terms of sales, but also volumes. The growth driver is still Alba, the entry-level product. Obviously, growth rates are coming down a bit now for Alba because the base is obviously growing now after two years having the product in the market. Also very important, our premium product is also doing very well. Mera is still growing, not double digits, but it's nicely going also the first quarter as last year. Also Sela, the mid-level product, is not cannibalized.

A very similar picture to last year, although growth rates from Alba are coming down, obviously, due to the higher base.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Right. If I may follow up here, does it mean that the rest of your bathroom product portfolio then had, for whatever reason, a bit of a slower quarter?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, I wouldn't say so, no.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Okay, obviously my estimates were wrong, but the fact that the growth rate sort of came more down is maybe more due to this base effect then.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Yeah. shower toilets growth rates-

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Okay

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Driven by AquaClean Alba, obviously, as a group, for sure, also came down due to the higher base effect. Higher base, sorry.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Right. Okay, good. Thank you very much. The second question is really a small thing, but I saw your employees or full-time equivalents went up this quarter from 2012. Can you explain why that was the case where you are employing more people?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It's a pure volume effect.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Okay

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

more volume, it's more people. Part of the CHF 20 million increased cost also has messy effect, but that's really the minor part. The predominant part is the pure capacity volume effect in the plant.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Right. With that respect, the investments you are doing in northern Germany and Sweden for the logistics, will that have then at some point a bigger effect on that or?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Yes

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

or it will be more-

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It will, but that's really many years out, before, you know I think we mentioned it will come in operation towards the end of the decade. Don't expect more people.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Okay

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

because of the, before that.

Alessandro Poletti
Analyst, Octavian

Right. Thank you very much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Charlie Fehrenbach from AWP. Please go ahead.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the questions. The price increases again, I've got the one for plastic and energy of around 2%, the copper one of 5%. I'm not sure with the ordinary price increase in April, is it 1% or 1%-1.5%?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It was one, but it was planned. It was a bit higher than what we originally planned.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Okay. A bit more than 1. It's not reasonable to add these three increases for the prices increase, a total of 8% or more.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, because the 5%.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

It's just for small-

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

only for copper. That's all, don't take it on the group level. That's a very minor impact on the group.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

The effect on sales in full year is 2%-2.5%.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Exactly. You take all the three.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Thanks. My second one, you indicated for a wage inflation of 3% in the full year in March. I didn't hear anything to that. Is it still this 3%?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Absolutely.

Charlie Fehrenbach
Analyst, AWP

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Bastian Benrath from Bloomberg News. Please go ahead.

Bastian Benrath
Analyst, Bloomberg News

Hi, good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. I just have two quick questions on an event that's upon us next month, which is that, as I'm sure you're aware, there's a vote being held in Switzerland, aiming to cap the population of 10 million people in June.

My question is, do you expect this, if it goes through, which the polls indicate for now, do you expect this to have any impact on your business, for example, on recruiting, given that you're growing your workforce? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, we don't think that that will have a substantial impact. If you talk specifically about recruiting, because the most people we are recruiting are people already living in Switzerland, and a very small part of the people which we are hiring here in Switzerland are coming directly from abroad.

Bastian Benrath
Analyst, Bloomberg News

Just quick follow-up. Do you have any sort of contingency plans or you just don't think those are necessary?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No, there are no contingency plans.

Bastian Benrath
Analyst, Bloomberg News

Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Nathalie Olof-Ors from Agence France-Presse. Please go ahead.

Nathalie Olof-Ors
Analyst, Agence France-Presse

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I'd like to double-check one thing. In March, during the annual press conference, you said the Middle East is around 3% of your turnover. Just to clarify, why do you talk about a 1% impact on the Strait of Hormuz? I'm sure there's a good reason, but can you explain why you talk about 1% for the Strait of Hormuz? Back then as well, mid-March, it was really early in the conflict, but you already mentioned back then you had already seen a small increase in plastics. Can you explain us what happened in between, in those 2 months? When did you decide that a pricing increase was necessary?

What did you see changing in the market over these last two months?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

The first question is, you're right. We generate in the Middle East region as a whole around 3% of sales, but only less than 1% is supplied through the Strait of Hormuz, and that's the business which is currently affected. The rest of that region is not affected. For example, Saudi Arabia, this business is running at normal levels. It was even growing in March. That's the difference between the 3% and the less than 1%, which is mentioned in the introduction.

In terms of raw material pricing, the reason why we have now decided to increase prices was driven by the fact that raw material prices accelerated. Also were not only affecting commodity plastic, they started also to affect technical plastics. A stronger price increase of commodity plastics and also affecting the rest of the plastic assortment led to the conclusion that we needed to compensate with an extraordinary price increase.

Nathalie Olof-Ors
Analyst, Agence France-Presse

On Saudi Arabia, you're mentioning that so far in March, the sales still held quite well in a country like Saudi Arabia, where activity wasn't too much affected. What about orders? Do you think it is because of the construction sites that were already started at the beginning of the conflict? And do you see demand becoming more tepid in the coming months? Did you see a decline in new orders?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Not at the moment. As I said, at the moment, things are good. Where projects are, executed, projects are running. I don't wanna speculate what might happen in 6 months, in 9 months, but at the moment, the business is going on relatively normal.

Nathalie Olof-Ors
Analyst, Agence France-Presse

All right. Perfect. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Harry Dow from Rothschild & Co Redburn. Please go ahead.

Harry Dow
Analyst, Rothschild & Co Redburn

Yeah, thank you. Morning. I've got two questions. Just firstly, a follow-up on the raw materials costs. When you look at the spot commodity market for plastics and metals, I know you don't buy a lot of direct commodities, but commodity prices, I guess, will be reflected eventually in terms of your supplier increases. If the commodity prices stay as high as they are, do you think your suppliers have put through as much sort of price increases they need, or do you think you might see more later in the year if commodity prices sort of stay where they are? Just secondly, on distribution costs, I think outbound freight is around maybe 3% of sales within sort of other operating costs.

Do you have a sort of view on expected inflation on those sort of freight costs, and is that also reflected in the price increase? Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Freight costs are going up. Your second question, they are going up because of higher fuel prices. That's also the reason why we said that the increase price is energy driven, because we have to account for higher freight costs also during the rest of the year due to increased fuel prices. Can you repeat your first question? We didn't really understand the question.

Harry Dow
Analyst, Rothschild & Co Redburn

The first question just on when you look at some of the spot market for commodities, I suppose you're buying raw materials from your suppliers that are buying sort of closer to spot commodity prices. Do you think the price that you're paying for raw materials in the second quarter fully reflects what you're seeing in the spot market, or do you think there might be more price increases as you go through the year if commodity prices stay as high as they are?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

No. We believe that the increased commodity prices, for example, the oil price which has increased, that this is now reflected in our forecast for the second quarter material prices which we pay for.

Harry Dow
Analyst, Rothschild & Co Redburn

Okay, great. Very helpful. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from Chase Kuglen from Van Lanschot Kempen. Please go ahead.

Chase Kuglen
Analyst, Van Lanschot Kempen

Hi, good morning, all. Yeah, I just wanted to check one thing with you regarding your second half expectations, particularly in terms of volumes. I mean, as you said in April, there's probably gonna be a bit of a pre-buying effect. I assume that'll also continue ahead of June, the June price increases. Then, you know, we're now in Europe, we're seeing these prospects of rate hikes. I'm just curious on, do you expect, I guess, a larger destocking effect in the second half of the year? Or could you give some color around your thoughts there?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Sorry, I can't because we don't give any outlook for our sales development for the full year with Q1 figures, only with H1 figures. I can't give an answer about the volumes in the second half of the year.

Chase Kuglen
Analyst, Van Lanschot Kempen

Okay. That's fine. Thank you.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star followed by one. We have a follow-up question from Cedar Ekblom from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks very much. Hi, Christian. I just wanted to follow up on your comment regarding growth of new products, just to check that my thinking is correct. If I heard correctly, you said that about 20% of your products are new product introductions, and that those grow at more than 20%. Very simple math, that implies a 4% contribution to growth at a group level, which would clearly imply that the growth of the remaining product offering is negative. I don't think that that's necessarily consistent with some of the other comments that you've made. I just wanna check that I'm understanding your commentary around new products and their growth rates correctly. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

What I said is that if you look at growth contribution and you divide the growth contribution into new products and old products, that the growth contribution from new products is more than 20%, but it's less than 100%. In other words, the old products, so to say, are also growing.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Just to confirm.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Are disproportionately growing.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. 20% of your product range is new products, and those account for more than 20% of the growth, so growing faster than the average, or the rest of the product offering, but you're not going to put a number around what that actual growth rate is.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Correct.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

It could be a 25% contribution, it could be a 50% contribution. We just don't know what that number is.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

I don't look into the number every quarter. That's the main reason. We look at that on a yearly basis, basically.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Maybe could you give us the number for 25 if you're not looking at it, sort of quarterly? Could you help us understand what the 25 contribution was?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It was-

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Growth?

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

It was a significant double-digit number. I don't share the number, but it was a significant double-digit number.

Cedar Ekblom
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Perfect. Welcome.

Operator

Our last question is a follow-up from John Revill from Reuters. Please go ahead.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Thanks for taking this follow-up. I'm a little bit confused just about the price increase situation. You did a normal price increase of around 1%, which what came in about April, and then you've done about 5% increase for your copper-related products. That's, and then what's happening in June? Is that a 2% rise on top of across the board for everything on top of that? Or what's the sort of level for the June price increase? Can you just talk us through this, the breakdown of, how that all works again? I'm just a bit confused there.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You are right with the first two. A regular price increase of around 1% as of April, which turned out to be a bit higher due to mix effects.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Yeah.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

A 5% price increase only on copper. This does not have a material impact or a large impact on group because copper is relatively small.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Yeah.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

We do a selective extraordinary price increase as of June. Selective for certain products only.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Right.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Which are plastics and energy-driven. The effect of this second extraordinary pricing increase as of June on a group level, to give you an indication what the effect is on top line, is 2% on group sales.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Right. Thank you. It's only certain products are getting price increases in June, that's related to plastics and energy driven, that will have around 2% group effect on group sales and overall. Fantastic.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Exactly.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

Super.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

If you add all together, we expect for the full financial year 2026 a price effect of 2%- 2.5%.

John Revill
Analyst, Reuters

2.5% for the year as a whole. Fantastic. Thank you very much.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

You're welcome.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Christian Buhl for any closing remarks.

Christian Buhl
CEO, Geberit

Thank you for your participation and your questions. We all wish you a great day. Thank you.

Powered by