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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Oct 18, 2018

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the INFICON third quarter 2018 results conference call. I'm Andrea, the Chorus Call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Mr. Lukas Winkler, Chief Executive Officer of INFICON. Please go ahead, sir.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Thank you, Andrea. Greetings, good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today to review our results for the third quarter of 2018. After a very strong first half year 2018, we report now, as expected and announced, a somewhat sequentially weaker third quarter, with sales of over $101 million, which is more than 13% above last year's third quarter, and we increased our year-end guidance despite a weaker demand in our semi- and vacuum coating target market. You can find, as always, a PowerPoint presentation on the investor relations tab on our website that supports our conference call. Please turn to the slide number four, where we start with the key figures for the reporting quarter. We closed the third quarter with increased sales in all our target markets and all sales regions.

Total quarterly sales reached $101.4 million, which reflects an organic growth of 14.3% above last year's third quarter. As I mentioned before, sequentially, we had a decrease of 2.7% compared to the second quarter of this year. Our book-to-bill ratio was below one, which is another indication of a weaker second half 2018. With an increased gross profit margin as well as a little bit higher operating expenses, we finished the quarter with operating income of exactly $20 million after $15.1 million a year ago, and net income was $15.3 million or 15.1% of sales. Matthias Tröndle will review the numbers with you in more details later, while I'll now highlight some important developments in our target markets first. Please turn to the slide number five, where you will see the breakdown of our sales into the four focus markets that we serve.

The pie chart, which did not change much compared with the same quarter a year ago, actually shows the real breakdown of our four target markets. The graph on the right side shows the increased importance and the rebound of the Asian market, while the contribution from Europe and America declined again after a strong first quarter of this year. Now let's do a quick analysis market by market, and we start with the smallest one. In the security and energy market, slide number six, sales increased more than 50% again year-over-year and 5% sequentially, and reached $7.7 million. The main contributor was still the HAPSITE, our main portable on-site detection instrument, and the two largest customers remained the same as well, U.S. and Chinese government agencies.

Although sales for the first nine months in 2018 were much higher compared to last year, we expect the fourth quarter to be much lower than the last quarter of 2017. The market trend is still hard to predict, and it will not become easier with the current geopolitical uncertainties. On the energy side in this market, which represents the smaller part of our business, we continue to see an increased interest in new green energy technologies such as biomethane gas applications, especially in Europe. In the energy market, we do serve a much larger customer base. Therefore, our energy business is less lumpy compared to the security activities, and it's easier to predict. Now moving to the refrigeration, air conditioning, and automotive market on slide number seven, where we can report a sales increase of 15.1% year-over-year and even a small sequential increase of 1.9%.

The total sales of $21.3 million represent a new quarterly record with growth in all regions and all applications. Being the preferred number one supplier in the pure RAC manufacturers market is a good starting point to expand our market reach into adjacent markets. We are gaining market share in the automotive market and the service business around the world. In addition to the traditional needs for the leak-tight components for gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles, we have been able to secure a pole position in the new market of lithium-ion battery production, primarily used for e-cars, e-buses, as well as e-bikes. With tougher regulations around the world, even smaller rechargeable batteries for all kinds of mobile devices need to be checked for leaks. This new application will generate the next growth opportunity for our full line of helium, hydrogen, refrigerant, and multi-gas leak detection instruments, sensors, and modules.

These more industrial-type leak detection applications were one of the drivers for the increased sales in Asia, especially in China, where we enjoy a very high brand recognition supported by a loyal, well-established long-term market organization. Let's go to the semi and vacuum coating market, which includes solar display optics and semiconductor applications on slide number eight, where our sales increased 11.6% year-over-year and reached $44.3 million. Decreased 6.7% compared to the second quarter of this year, mainly driven by lower investments in OLED flat panel display applications in Asia. Sales to the pure semiconductor market were flat, but the demand was weakening as well. Design wins for newer tools, as well as the acceptance of the extreme ultraviolet lithography technology for below 10 nanometer nodes helped to offset the lower demand for traditional semiconductor activities.

Nevertheless, we expect that this dip in demand for semiconductors will be short-term only, and that the business activities will come back in 2019. Since the need for new and existing applications such as smart sensors for industrial health and automotive applications, as well as Internet of Things, big data and artificial intelligence applications will continue to grow. On top of that, China will stick to its five-year investment plan to become one of the top-ranked semiconductor countries. Further productivity gains require new design technologies and new manufacturing processes such as EUV, ALD and ALE. We work closely together with our key customers to develop the right products and services to help them realizing those productivity gains.

That was one of the reasons why we acquired a small software company called Final Phase Systems, or FPS, based in Austin, Texas, to be able to provide a more powerful combined solution to small and mid-sized semiconductor manufacturers. Finally, we had another positive quarter in the general vacuum market on slide number nine, with sales of $28.1 million, which resulted in a year-over-year increase of 7.7% and a small sequential decrease of 1.4%, mainly driven by the European summer vacations slump. As you know, we sell analysis, measurement, and control products for many different industrial applications through private label partners, primarily vacuum pump manufacturers and via direct sales channels to industrial OEMs and distributors. We gained market share with our direct channels as well as with new private label products and get slowly into new applications such as sterilization, analytical, and life science markets.

As a positive last topic, the leak-checking technology that is used in our Contura S400 leak detector has finally been approved as an accepted quality inspection measurement by two large food companies in Europe for food packaging leak detection applications. This is a breakthrough for our Contura S400 leak detector in the food packaging market. Before I turn over to Matthias, I'd like to close my part of the presentation with an outlook on slide number 10. There were no dramatic changes in the view how we see the next three months for most of our markets compared to three months ago, except that we have no clear picture yet about the impact of the potential war on tariffs on our business. Nevertheless, and despite the already foreseen weaker semi and vacuum coating market, with only three months to go, the visibility obviously improves automatically.

We increased our previously given guidance from sales being around $400 million to now clearly above $400 million, and an operating income of around 20% instead of just above 19%. With that, I'd like to turn over to Matthias, who will give you more details about our financial performance.

Matthias Tröndle
CFO, INFICON

Thank you, Lukas, and good morning to everyone on our third quarter conference call. I will cover our third quarter results and comment also our guidance for 2018. My commentary starts with slide 12 of the PowerPoint on our website. As communicated this morning in our press release, revenues for the third quarter of 2018 came out at $101.4 million, compared with $89.4 million in the third quarter of last year. Total sales increased by $12 million or 13.4%. We had a negative exchange effect of -0.8%, which means we had an organic sales increase in Q3 of 14.3%. Looking at the end market developments, all markets increased and the refrigeration, air conditioning, and automotive market reached a new quarterly record level. The semi and vacuum coating market did grow by approximately 12%.

The general vacuum market showed a growth of 8%. The security and energy market had a clearly better Q3 than last year and increased by roughly 51%. On a sequential basis, sales in the third quarter were lower by 2.7% compared to the sales level in the previous quarter, Q2. This decrease was mainly driven by about 7% lower sales into the semi and vacuum coating market. How does the regional sales performance look like? On a geographic basis, Europe reached 27% and a slightly higher share, North America 25%, and Asia Pacific ended with 46% of total third-quarter sales. As you can see from the chart, sales increase was in Asia by roughly 13%, where all markets increased except semi and vacuum coating. Europe did grow by 19%, and North America did grow by approximately 8%.

Compared to previous quarter, Q2, sales did increase in Asia by 4%, while Europe and North America did decrease by 5.5%, respectively 7%. Let's go to the next slide number 14. The gross margin for the third quarter of 2018 reached 49.7% compared to 48.7% in the same quarter of last year. The margin percentage increased by 100 basis points, and the absolute margin increased by $6.9 million or 15.8%. Moving on to our operating expense, R&D expense in the third quarter reached $7.9 million and increased by 12.4%. As a percent of sales, this represents 7.8% after 7.9% last year. SG&A, selling, general and administrative expense in the third quarter was $22.5 million or 22.2% of sales, an increase of $1.2 million or 5.6%.

The increase in both expense items, R&D and SG&A, is driven by development projects, research activities, headcount additions in various functions, and also a higher variable compensation and commission spend. Turning to the bottom line. For the third quarter of 2018, we achieved income from operations of $20 million or 19.7% of sales. This compares with income from operations of $15.1 million or 17% in last year's third quarter, which means the result did improve by roughly $4.8 million or 31.8% compared to last year. The increase is due to higher sales volume at a solid gross margin, while costs did increase under proportionally. Let's go to the next slide. For the third quarter of 2018, we recorded tax expense of $4.1 million, which represents an average tax rate of about 21.1%, lower than the 24.4% recorded in the 2017 period.

The tax rate is lower due to the taxable income mix of our various entities in the different jurisdictions. The net income for this year's third quarter reached therefore $15.3 million or 15.1% compared to $11.2 million or 12.5% in the same quarter of last year. The increase of 37% compared to last year is driven by the higher operating income in combination with a lower tax rate. The third quarter net income equates to earnings of $6.30 per diluted share, compared with net income of $4.61 per diluted share in the same period last year. This represents an increase of 36.7%, which is good in line with the net income development. Let's move to the balance sheet highlights on the next slide. Our net cash position at the end of Q3 was $64.6 million, which represents roughly 22% of our total assets.

This compares with $85 million at the end of last year, which means a decrease of about $20 million. Why did the cash decrease? The decrease is heavily driven, of course, due to the $50 million dividend payment in April this year, which is now partially in the meantime compensated by new cash flow generation. The operating cash flow, which you can also see on that slide, did increase from previous levels and reached good $22.5 million. For the third quarter, our day sales outstanding slightly increased and reached 50.4 days compared to 50.3 days at the end of last year. The inventory levels did increase and therefore the turns decreased to 3.7 turns, and as a consequence, the working capital ratio did increase to 26.1%. On the balance sheet graph, on the left side, you see structure and composition of assets and liabilities.

The equity ratio reached 70.1% in Q3 after 77.1% in Q4 last year, at the end of last year. No material long-term liabilities and the cash position, gross cash position, I must say, of $85 million confirm a solid balance sheet structure. With that, I will cover our current quarter result. I conclude my portion of today's call with a guidance comment. After having passed now three quarters in 2018 and based on our assessment of our various end markets which we serve, we updated and increased our guidance for the full year 2018. Sales are now expected to exceed $400 million, and the operating income margin should be around 20%. This compares to our old guidance, where we said sales will be around $400 million and operating income will be above 19%. The last slide shows our corporate calendar and the upcoming dates.

This concludes my part of the presentation, and we are now ready to take your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question is from Reto Amstalden from Baader Helvea. Please go ahead.

Reto Amstalden
Analyst, Baader Helvea

Yes, good morning. A question regarding your guidance

Can you give here some more indication, a bit more precise? When we look now at the fourth quarter, I would expect this to be lower than the third quarter. Can you give here some indication? Is it more like, let's say, minus 10% quarter on quarter or less? On the semi and display cycle here, you speak about in the fourth quarter, which should perform below average, I think in relation of group context. When you look at your three main areas there in display semi OEM and end user business, are there some different trends here? With respect to 2019, I think especially on the display side, with the overcapacity in the market, it looks like this market will remain weak in terms of new CapEx investments.

Would you expect this to be compensated by, let's say, already an improvement in the semi business throughout 2019? How do you see this weakness and sustainability in that, in displays? Thank you.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Okay. Good morning, Reto. Try to answer your question as good as I can. First question was regarding our guidance to have a little bit more clarity. What I like to refer to here is that it goes basically into two directions. One direction is, you mentioned it already, has to deal with the weaker demand in the semiconductor and the display activities. What we see is clearly that the level that we have reached now is clearly below the level of the first six months of this year. Especially on the OLED side, we have experienced a sharper drop compared with traditional semi business, but that has nothing to do with the market itself. It has to do with the fact that we ship a broader range of products to the OLED application than we do to the semi.

Therefore, the impact from a weaker demand coming from the OLED has a larger impact, basically, on INFICON business than just semi. What we also experience, and give you a little guidance here, is that the difference between the end user business in semi and the OEM business in semi is clearly tilting a little bit over to the OEM side. We have a little bit more exposure now into the OEM business than we used to have with design wins for newer products and also with the acceptance of the EUV lithography technology, where we have a nice part of that OEM business as well that helps to offset a little bit the weakening part of the end user business. Your question was how low can it go down?

We don't know yet that part, because it usually depends on some timing elements at the end of the year. That refers me to my second detail about your question. We have also a relatively high uncertainty about the exact figure in our specialty security part of the market. As you know, usually we depend on some large government orders, and we do not have a huge backlog anymore in that market environment unless we might get another large order for the remainder of the year, but we don't see that yet. Therefore, the uncertainty as a percentage of total volume for the security market is much bigger than the uncertainty in the semiconductor and vacuum market as a percentage of total revenue. Those are the two main triggers that can make a ±$5 million at the end of the year very easily.

The timing of shipments for semi and as well as the uncertainty in security market. You asked a question about already into 2019. We have not yet provided an official guidance, but I can give you at least my gut feeling and what we see so far. To make it very clear, yes, we believe we can compensate the weakening part of the OLED business with a bigger exposure into the traditional semiconductor market. To give you some details here. The OLED market did already start to weaken at the end of the second quarter this year, not just in the third quarter. We don't believe that the OLED level will go below what we now would refer to the second half of 2018 going into 2019, because we know that some of the investments simply have been postponed into 2019 but not canceled.

Therefore, I don't expect the OLED business will go down further compared with the current level. I clearly see a little uptick on our semi exposure, especially on the OEM side of the business, where we really have been able to get some nice design wins and some market share gains on the OEM side of the semiconductor business.

Reto Amstalden
Analyst, Baader Helvea

Thank you.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jorn Ifert from UBS. Please go ahead, sir.

Jorn Ifert
Analyst, UBS

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one would be again on the guidance for 2018. Do you think it's fair to assume that your run rate for Q4 is in between $90 million-$95 million, or is it more skewed towards $90 million? Just an update here would be appreciated. Second question would be, please, if you look on your Q3 numbers, can you help us to understand a little bit better between OLED and semi? When the downturn is coming quarter-on-quarter from OLED, it's down 10%. When you say semi is down and you compensate this with market share gains, does it mean that you have market share gains, new product launches incrementally benefiting by $2 million-$3 million for Q3 in semi? Is this fair to assume?

Here also the question for 2019, when the semi market, for example, would be down 5%-10%, hurting your revenues by around maybe $20 million in 2019, what do you think is the incremental benefit from the new product launches and the market share gains? Are we speaking about $5 million, $10 million, $15 million? Just to better understand how you can offset some end market weakness. The last question, if I may. Do you already see the significant decline of investments of your key customer in Korea, or are you not seeing this yet? Thanks.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Thank you, Jorn, for very detailed questions. I'm not even sure if I can answer all of them. I try to do my best. Q4 run rate, since we changed a little bit our guidance to now exceeding $400 million, you can easily assume that the run rate needs to be around $90-plus million. We're probably not reaching $100 million, so it will be something between 90 and 100. Where exactly, as I mentioned before, there could be an easy swing of ±$5 million both directions, just depending on timing of shipment and acceptance of installations as well as the uncertainty in the security market. You made probably your modeling regarding expectation for 2019. As I mentioned before, we believe we can compensate the additional market share gains and with new applications and new products and services in the semiconductor business to compensate the OLED weaknesses.

How much will it be in terms of new products versus a certain market share behavior? It will be probably in the higher single-digit figure, million-wise, that we believe we can maybe small double digit, but somewhere in that environment that we believe we can generate new revenue with new type of applications and products, including design wins. I wasn't so sure about your last question. I think it was regarding some key customers in Korea, usually one big one and a couple of smaller ones. As I mentioned before, we don't see any cancellations of projects. We only see delayed and postponement or push-outs of projects, but not cancellations, which makes us not that pessimistic for 2019 because we know that the business will come, but it will not come this year, it will come next year.

Therefore, we see a clear, I would say, slightly positive mood within our key customers in Korea that 2019 will come back, obviously not as high as the first quarter of 2018, but to a very reasonable, good level of business activities throughout the year for both applications, semi as well as some OLED activities. As you know, at least one customer will come pretty short with a foldable flip phone again, which means that now the flexible displays reached the level of market readiness. That's an OLED technology as well, which might trigger another round of investments for flexible OLED displays next year.

Jorn Ifert
Analyst, UBS

Okay, understand. To make sure that I get this 100% correctly. With your large client in Korea, your momentum is already down significantly for Q3 and in particular for Q4. It's not the case because you are tick more late cyclical that you are suddenly seeing the low point in your semiconductor sales in Q1 2019.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

I think the low point will be around now.

Jorn Ifert
Analyst, UBS

Okay, understand. All right. Thank you very much.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Thank you, too.

Operator

The next question is from Martin Comtesse from Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Martin Comtesse
Analyst, Berenberg

Yes, good morning. One or two questions from my side, maybe staying with semiconductors in a way. In some earlier earnings call, you mentioned already that you are working on a new product range with a sales potential of somewhere between $25 million and $50 million, where you already did some CapEx. Can you give us an update on the progress here? Whether you expect these earnings already coming through next year? The second question would be, you have talked about the record numbers in refrigeration and automotive. Can you give us a better feeling for where this comes from? Does it come from the classic automotive business, or is it really predominantly triggered by the new lithium-ion batteries? Thanks.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Okay, good. For your first question, thank you, Martin. First question regarding some of our new services and products for the semi industry. Yes, we will see some impact this year, yes, we will see more impact even next year. This is one part of the reason why we are quite optimistic to be able to compensate OLED weaknesses with some semi additional market share gains. It will probably be, as I mentioned before, close to the single-digit million run rate.

Martin Comtesse
Analyst, Berenberg

Okay.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

That helps, clearly. On the RAC side, it is predominantly the new lithium-ion battery trend, especially in China. That was the single biggest driver. Followed by, interestingly, I would call it a kind of a rebound in the classical RAC manufacturers industries and the stable automotive business. The single biggest driver was the installation for new lithium-ion battery manufacturing, who needs to be leak-checked in several staging throughout the manufacturing process.

Martin Comtesse
Analyst, Berenberg

All right. Thanks.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

You're welcome.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. There are no more questions. Sorry. There is a follow-up question from Jorn Ifert from UBS. Please go ahead.

Jorn Ifert
Analyst, UBS

Yeah, sorry again. Sorry when I missed this. On the gross profit margin, can you give us roughly what is your view here for the next couple of quarters, also considering your product mix and your development? If you have any initiatives how you can improve your gross profit margin due to automatization, new supply chain set up, anything like this? Thanks.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Yeah. Let me try to give you a feeling on the gross profit margin and what we see. First of all, yes, we try always to improve the gross profit margin and our investments in the cost of sales areas through robotics or automation and even giving outsourcing various activities and concentrating on core activities. That's number one, and of course, number two in the research and development activities that we design in an optimized way to get here some optimized margin as well. What can we expect? As you know, and as you follow INFICON since quite some time, typically we run about, now to give you a high range, between 45% and maybe 53%. Given our product structure and our end markets, we have ranges from gross margins from 30% up to 80%, right?

Therefore, there is a high dependency where we sell, to whom we sell, and what kind of products we sell. The past showed that we are somewhere in a narrower margin between 48% and 52%, and something in that range I also would expect in the short term and midterm future.

Jorn Ifert
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Inauen from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Michael Inauen
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Yes. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Sorry for the late questions. I don't want to hold anyone up. Just have three from my side on the semi, on the cyclicality, just to understand a little bit. I know you're a bit more skewed to OLED than to the traditional semi business, but when we look at the semi OEMs like Lam Research that has reported just recently, AMAT is coming up, KLA. Just to understand a little bit the cyclicality, because your sequential revenues in semi and vacuum were down about 7%, whereas we see Lam over the 20% down, others probably in the same area. Just to understand a little bit what are here the dynamics.

Is it possible that actually that we have to understand that INFICON, for example, will see a weaker Q4 compared to the industry, so to say, and potentially also suffers like a quarter longer than the general industries? Just to understand this a little bit, because currently it looks a little bit like that. Another one on the semi also, the confidence that you have. I understand your point with the new product, so with the new product range, but the overall confidence that you said it will be a short-term dip, which I also believe. Where do you take this confidence from? Because Lam Research, for example, was not really able to give a clear outlook into 2019.

They said, "We can only give an outlook on wafer CapEx in January." I was just wondering where your confidence comes from that we will see only a short-term dip. Maybe one last one for Matthias, if you would be able to give us a little bit more color on the CapEx plans for 2018 and maybe also for 2019, as you are investing also into new product ranges, just to model maintenance. Sorry for that.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Okay. We do our best. Thank you for your question, Michael. I think from the cyclical point of view, the easiest way to

To answer your question is that to understand that we have about a 50/50 exposure between OEM and end user. As you already indicated that there is a time lag between the two customer groups. The OEMs are usually early cycle or more early cycle, and the end user a little bit more on the late side, with a time lag of, depends on the application, between three and six months. Therefore, we usually are, as an average, a little bit behind the OEM cyclicality. We are kind of in between what you would consider on the end user, on the demand side, and on the other hand side, the equipment manufacturer side. 50/50 exposure.

We flatten out a little bit the cyclicality, but the low point of the dip is usually, again, as an average, probably around three months behind the lowest point of the dip of a company such as Lam or Applied. Therefore, our fourth quarter, as you clearly indicated already, we are not going to go up with the semi business. We might go up a little bit on the OEM side, but end user will be, as I mentioned before, late cycle. Therefore, our Q4 for semiconductor and vacuum coating will be clearly lower than Q3. With Q1, we might then come back to the normal trend. Now, why are we confident about what I mentioned before? I think there are two elements.

First of all, through our key account management, we know roughly what major end users such as Intel, TSMC, Samsung, Hynix, and the Chinese, what plans they have to invest for the next six to 12 months. That's one level. We are very close to those large accounts, so we know their plans, so we can make our own prediction and calculation about where we might end up with our business. That's one element of the confidence. The second element is more coming from the new product cycles. If most of our R&D investments go in applications that would be used in the newer type of products, and of course, most OEMs try to push the newer products versus the old ones. Therefore, the likelihood that we might gain some market share with new products is higher than with old products.

On the CapEx side, I think I refer to Matthias. He has a certain feeling about what we are going to use.

Matthias Tröndle
CFO, INFICON

Yeah. We even have some actual numbers, not just feelings. That is typical for finance people. To give you some insight. Last year we spent about $14 million in CapEx in fiscal year 2017. In the first half, based on our half year results, you can see that we spent about $10 million. For the full year, I expect to have a spend of, let's say, about $17 million to maybe up to $20 million even in CapEx for this year, in that range. For next year, I would expect a lower level, a little bit lower level, maybe in the range of $10 million to $15 million.

Michael Inauen
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Matthias Tröndle
CFO, INFICON

Welcome.

Operator

Once again, to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone. There are no more questions at this time.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

If there are no more questions, I simply like to thank all of you for your patience, and I am looking forward to meet you again or talk to you soon within the next couple of months somewhere in the world. Thank you very much and have a nice day.

Matthias Tröndle
CFO, INFICON

Thank you.

Lukas Winkler
CEO, INFICON

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Matthias Tröndle
CFO, INFICON

Bye-bye.

Operator

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