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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Oct 22, 2019

Operator

Good morning and good afternoon, and welcome to the Novartis Q3 2019 results release conference call and live audio webcast. Please note that during the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there'll be an opportunity to ask questions by pressing star and one at any time during the conference. A recording of the conference call, including the Q&A session, will be available on our website shortly after the call ends. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal the operator by pressing star and zero. With that, I would like to hand over to Mr. Samir Shah, Global Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Samir Shah
Global Head of Investor Relations, Novartis

Thank you very much. Good morning and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us for the investor call. Before we start, I'll just read you the safe harbor statement. The information presented today contains forward-looking statements that involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors. These may cause actual results to be materially different from any future results, performance, or achievements expressed or implied by such statements. Please refer to the company's Form 20-F on file with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for a description of some of these factors. With that, I'll hand across to Vas.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Samir, and thanks, everyone, for joining today's conference call. As you saw earlier today, we announced what I think are really excellent results demonstrating the strong operational performance happening at Novartis, our continued progress on our innovation, as well as continuing to drive our strategic priorities, which we believe will drive sustainable long-term top and bottom-line growth. When you go to the first slide four, just to give a little more color on what you all saw earlier today. We had double-digit top and bottom-line growth in the quarter. Sales were up 13%, core operating income up 18%, and core margin up 1.4%. Harry will go through these numbers in more detail, along with describing in a bit more detail as well our guidance increase, where we increased both sales and core operating income guidance for the year.

Equally as important, we had strong innovation performance in the quarter. When you look at it, we're on track to potentially have four or potentially five new molecular entities approved in the U.S., which really shows the kind of innovation power we have in the company. Beovu was launched in the U.S. Ofatumumab, of course, compelling efficacy in RMS, and then a number of other key milestones, many of which we'll go through over the course of this call. Turning to the next slide. One of the important trends we want to start highlighting is how our key growth drivers are increasingly contributing to our overall sales performance.

When you look at Innovative Medicines sales nine months to date in 2019, we've grown now to have 28% of our sales coming from our key growth drivers, and many of these key growth drivers have very strong underlying dynamics, as we'll talk about on the next slide. In addition, our growth contribution is primarily coming from these growth drivers. We do have some, of course, GX erosion and then some other benefits. Overall, the primary contributor to our growth year-to-date has been these key growth drivers, most of which are recent launches. If you go to slide six, you can see in a bit more detail, we had broad-based strong growth across our growth drivers across the portfolio, whether that was in pharmaceuticals with Cosentyx, Entresto, Xiidra, Zolgensma, in our cell and gene therapies efforts, and in oncology, where also you see broad-based growth.

I think when you look at it overall, we're firing really on all cylinders as a company in terms of driving our in-line brands and launch brands. If you go to the next slide seven. Diving in deeper into the individual products. Let's start with Cosentyx. In Cosentyx, we once again had a very strong quarter with 27% overall sales growth driven by both strong ex-U.S. and U.S. performance. First talking a bit about dermatology. There we see the market growing at 17% from a TRX standpoint, and Cosentyx continuing to grow ahead of the market at 32%, despite intensifying competition. We believe we're well-placed. We also believe we will be well-placed next year to maintain our first-line positioning, and we'll be happy to answer more questions about that in the Q&A.

When you look in rheumatology, we also are continuing to have the strong growth based on our strong underlying data, where we grow 36% versus a market that's growing at 15%. We had some positive news as well with additional CHMP opinion on the higher dose, as well as the PREVENT trial meeting primary endpoints at 16 and 52 weeks. To go into a little bit more detail, the next slide on where Cosentyx is building a further position in the market. Our non-radiographic axial SpA data clearly shows the potential of Cosentyx to move into a broader range of patients with ankylosing spondylitis. When you look at the left-hand side of the chart, you can see there are 3.2 million patients with psoriatic arthritis, 1.7 million patients with ankylosing spondylitis, and then an equal number of patients with non-radiographic axial spondyloarthritis.

When you look at the biologics penetration in this kind of early SpA group, there's biologics penetration of only 4%-8%. This is an exciting opportunity for us now to take forward around the world. We're also well-positioned beyond just the current rheumatology indications. When you look at some of the data readouts we have, but importantly, additional clinical trials we have in hidradenitis suppurativa pediatric indications, as well as additional new studies starting in rheumatology, including giant cell arteritis. We feel very confident in Cosentyx's longer-term trajectory, and we look forward at R&D Day to give you more color on some of those additional indication programs. Now moving to the next slide with Entresto. With Entresto, we continue to see strong underlying dynamics. Entresto revenues were up 61% with strong growth both in the ex-U.S. and U.S.

When you look at weekly TRXs, we are up 51% at Q3 2018 to Q3 2019. As you can see from the slope of the line, we just have this continued solid, steady uptake in TRXs in the U.S., and we see a similar trend in other key markets around the world. Both PROVE and EVALUATE-HF provided additional mechanistic support for Entresto, and we see that increasingly influencing guideline bodies around the world. FDA also approved a pediatric indication for Entresto in Q4. Moving to the next slide. When you look at the PARAGON-HF study, which we read out in Q3, and I think many of you already know these results as described at ESC, that preserved ejection fraction in heart failure population is a population that currently is completely unserved, and these patients are looking for some treatment option.

We narrowly missed the primary endpoint on the overall population, but we had important subgroups, including the subgroup of patients with an ejection fraction up to 57%, as well as female patients in the study, who had significant benefits. After discussions with the U.S. FDA, we now plan to move forward with a regulatory submission for inclusion of data into the label in Q4 2019. We're continuing to engage in discussions with Europe, E.U., and other regulators to discuss how best to take forward this data. We are determined to try to find a way to reflect the benefits of Entresto in a broader patient population in an appropriate way. If you go to slide 11. Zolgensma off to a strong start, as you saw year to date with sales of $175 million since launch. A few comments on access.

I'm very proud of our access efforts within our team in the U.S. They've done an outstanding job. Getting now access is 90% of commercial patients and 30% of Medicaid patients with a policy in place. Importantly, we are now still seeing 99% final approval rates for patients that are on label after we go through the appropriate appeals processes. We're seeing solid demand in a broad base of institutions. Over 50 treating institutions now in the U.S., including many leading academic centers of excellence, have prescribed now Zolgensma. When you look at the patient profile, we're seeing patients across SMA types, the incident and prevalent populations, as well as 50% of patients coming from switches from the currently licensed product, nusinersen.

If you go to slide 12, looking forward for Zolgensma, I think a general comment I'd say is, you can expect, given that in Q3, we worked up through some of the pent-up demand for the product, much of which we had also addressed through a managed access program, but there was some pent-up demand still we were working through in Q3. We expect Q4 to be broadly in line with Q3 for Zolgensma. Moving forward, we see opportunities both in the U.S. and outside the United States. First, in the U.S., we expect as newborn screening climbs from 30% of newborns to 70% of newborns or higher by the end of 2020. This will be an important additional growth driver for Zolgensma. We know that 2/3 of incident patients treated in states with newborn screening are getting Zolgensma.

I think this is an important trend for us. We also expect Medicaid policies to increasingly come into place over the coming 12 months, including in Florida, New Jersey and Michigan. Many of you saw our interim STRONG data, which really showed, I think, the strong profile of Zolgensma in SMA type 2 patients with impressive scores on the HFMSE scoring for patients two to five years of age. Right now, from a regulatory standpoint, we are awaiting FDA feedback on the IND filing approach. We have provided FDA with the data sets that we recently presented and are in discussions with FDA on the appropriate approach to filing. For Zolgensma in the current IND indication, we expect the opinion in Q1 2020. I know there are questions surrounding that. The primary reason for that were an extensive set of questions with respect to the manufacturing and CMC.

We have now submitted those responses. We need to continue to work through these responses with EMA to get to the final positive opinion. In Japan, we expect a decision in first half 2020. We importantly have early access programs now in place in France, Portugal and Germany. Overall, I think Zolgensma well on track to reach our longer-term aspirations. If you move to slide 13. Beovu is off to a strong start in the U.S. When you look at the U.S. launch at AAO with a highly competitive label, we're very excited about this medicine. We see it as a medicine that provides benefits both as the possibility for patients to have fewer intravitreal injections, but also important data with respect to visual and anatomical measures of the disease. You have longer treatment intervals achievable without compromising efficacy.

That's a key differentiator for this medicine. We have supportive label language on visual and anatomical measures, which will enable us to discuss the important data we have both with respect to retinal fluid and central retinal subfield thickness. We have an overall safety profile in line with comparator products on the market. Taken together, we think this is a very compelling case. We can say that at least the early signs are very positive on how the launch is already going. We look forward to keeping you up to date on how the Beovu U.S. launch progresses. If you go to the next slide, we also have a broad, comprehensive clinical trial program ongoing to look both at potential new indications as well as to better profile Beovu in the core AMD indication.

A few things to highlight here. Of course, we're happy to provide more details in the R&D Day on this overall program. When you look at the TALON study, it's a head-to-head superiority study of Beovu versus aflibercept evaluating treatment interval duration in an identical treat to control regimen. I think this is a study which shows our confidence in the overall profile of the medicine. We have the MERLIN study, which is a head-to-head non-inferiority study to cover the Q4 week population, which we believe will be a small portion of patients that would need Q4 dosing, but nonetheless one patient population we want to address. We also have a head-to-head superiority study ongoing in TCV, which is another opportunity for us to continue to differentiate the medicine.

I think the key message here is we have a confidence in VOV, confidence in the potential of this medicine to be a significant advance for patients with these diseases. If you move to slide 15, ofatumumab also read out in the quarter with, I think, really extraordinary data. When you look at it now can be a high-efficacy disease-modifying therapy. Our goal will be to position it as being able to be used early and broadly. We think of this as not a medicine we're focused on competing within the B-cell space. We want patients with RMS to have access to B-cell therapies as early as possible in their disease progression. When you looked at the data, you saw strong efficacy results versus teriflunomide across a range of different endpoints. I think all of you have seen that data.

Also a highly competitive overall profile, high efficacy, favorable safety profile, a convenient subcutaneous injection with an auto-injector, and no need for an infusion center. Our plan is to initiate worldwide regulatory submissions starting in Q4 2019. One thing I wanted to clarify that may have been misunderstood from our press release, our U.S. filing is a filing. It's not a rolling submission. We only meant to imply that we will be rolling out our submissions around the world over the course of the coming months. Our U.S. filing is a straight filing, complete filing that will happen in Q4 of this year. Moving to slide 16. Now turning to Mayzent. With Mayzent, I think as many of you have seen, very strong market feedback, very strong interest from physicians and patients. It has a unique label with unique data.

The only medicine ever to be studied successfully in active secondary progressive MS, with very strong data that we continue to roll out, including recent data on cognitive processing speed, as well as a four-year delay to the need to use a wheelchair. We are seeing strong interest in the medicine, 90% willingness to prescribe over 2,600 request forms now and 150 million lives with preferred and unrestricted access. Our key goal now is to enable a more rapid onboarding of these patients. We're seeing right now about a 90-day lag between initial interest in the medicine and actually getting patients fully on board with paid Rx's. We expect to work hard to shorten that timeline as well as to work through the backlog of patients, drive an urgency to treat, simplify the onboarding. We hope then to be able to demonstrate further sales progress in the coming quarter.

Overall, we think we're in a solid place with respect to how the medicine is being perceived with the foundations now put into place. We expect the CHMP positive opinion in late Q4 of 2019. Moving to slide 17. Fevipiprant. Fevipiprant today we announced the results of the ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2 study, but it's important to note where ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2 fits into the overall program. Our core goal with fevipiprant was to study the medicine in severe asthma with a focus on high eosinophil severe asthma, as other biologics have studied. That is the core group of the LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2 programs with a further potential to look at patients who are low eosinophils in that study. That is the core of the overall fevipiprant study program.

We also were asked to study, as is often the case with these programs, to study the medicine in less severe patients using an FEV1 endpoint. That was the ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2 programs in so-called GINA 3/ 4 patients, the kind of moderate severity asthma patients. There we saw no significant improvements in FEV1 on top of the standard ICS/LABA regimen, but we saw a very clean safety profile. It is important to note we only took the 150 mg dose into this population. We did not stratify for eosinophils as well. Right now we are continuing to work through the completion of the LUSTER program and look forward to reading out that program in full in Q1 2020. Moving to the next slide. Switching gears to oncology.

While oncology had a broad-based outstanding performance with double-digit sales growth, I wanted to highlight the outstanding performance we had in terms of one of our launches, Piqray. Piqray was launched as the first and only therapy for advanced breast cancer patients with PIK3CA mutation. When you look at the sales growth here, you can see a really strong uptake. 40% of patients with hormone receptor-positive, HER2-negative advanced breast cancer have a PIK3CA mutation. Really our goal here was to ensure broad-based uptake of the testing. I think our teams in the U.S. have done an outstanding job enabling that testing to be broadly available. We now expect CHMP opinion in the first half of 2020.

Our focus is to take Piqray into additional indications, including programs in HER2 positive breast cancer, triple-negative breast cancer, head and neck cancers, and ovarian cancers. You'll see us continuing to work to expand the utilization of Piqray, and we believe this medicine can be a blockbuster over time. Moving to slide 19. We also released additional data on Kisqali, demonstrating the overall survival benefit of this medicine as the only CDK4/6 inhibitor to demonstrate overall survival in two phase III trials. One important element to remember about Kisqali is we believe it is unique in its profile and its ability to agonize the CDK4, part of this pathway. With that unique profile, we think that really enables us to have a mechanistic differentiation for Kisqali.

Our goal right now is to continue to educate the physician community about the MONALEESA-3 and MONALEESA-7 data, particularly the 28% and 29% reductions in the risk of death. We'll look forward to further differentiating Kisqali with additional readouts, including the MONALEESA-2 overall survival data, which we'll read out next year. Moving to slide 20. If you look at our overall 2019 expected milestones, I think we had a great innovation performance year to date, and we hope to carry that forward with a strong finish to the year. You can see that we've reached nearly all of our milestones. A few milestones were pushed into the first part of next year, but overall, I think a very strong performance. When you go to slide 21, I wanted to just highlight a few of the catalysts. We expect a number of key approvals next year.

Importantly, ofatumumab in Cosentyx and non-radiographic axial SpA, also SEG101 in sickle cell disease. A range of key submissions. We've already talked about AveXis and fevipiprant, we also will have the readout and hopeful submission if the data are positive of Lu-PSMA, one of our radioligand therapies for prostate cancer, as well as the submission of our triplet combo with PDR001 and Mekinist and Tafinlar. Lastly, a range of key readouts. We're excited to tell you more about our depth of our portfolio in our R&D day in early December. A few to highlight, ABL001 in CML, which we also now are planning to use in other lines of therapy. We also will have readouts in Beovu and DME, a range of phase II readouts.

I'll note LNP023, which is our factor B inhibitor, will have data presented at ASH, and I think can eventually be a cornerstone therapy for PNH and renal diseases. A range of things going on, and we'll provide more depth on those milestones in early December. With that, I'll hand it over to Harry.

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Thank you, Vas. Good morning, good afternoon, everyone. As always, my comments refer to the results of the continuing operations and growth rates in constant currencies, unless I note otherwise. On slide 23, you see the summary of our quarter three and first nine months continuing operation performance. As Vas said, our quarter three performance was excellent, with double-digit sales growth, driving core operating income and strong cash flow of $4 billion. Sales grew 13%, mainly driven by the continued momentum of key growth drivers, as Vas laid out. We also benefited from the first full quarter of the strong launch of Zolgensma and Piqray, as well as the acquisition of Xiidra. Core operating income grew 18%, mainly driven by sales and also productivity program impacts. You see a similar pattern on year-to-date results.

Year-to-date sales growth of 9% drove core operating income growth of 18%, resulting in a free cash flow of $9.4 billion in the first nine months. On slide 24, we have laid out the first nine months and quarter three core margin by division. Continuing operations margin improved by 1.4% points in the quarter and 2.4% points year-to-date. In Innovative Medicines, strong quarter three sales growth of 15% enabled a core margin improvement to 34% of sales. Sandoz had a particularly strong quarter, with 5% sales growth and 18% core operating income growth, resulting in a core margin of almost 25%. The growth in Sandoz was mainly driven by biopharmaceuticals growing 27%, as well as productivity from the ongoing transformation programs falling through to the bottom line.

Additionally, quarter three at Sandoz was helped by three first to file retail launches in the U.S., and a favorable one-time Medicaid revenue deduction adjustment in the quarter. Overall, year to date, you see very strong margin expansions in both divisions, with Sandoz margin of 22% almost, and Innovative Medicines margin of 34%. On the next slide 25, just to the guidance. In light of our very strong performance, we are revising upwards our 2019 full year guidance once more. This is clearly driven by the very good performance of our growth drivers and launches.

For the new focused medicines company, net sales are revised upward, expected to grow high single-digits and core operating income for the company revised upwards, expected to grow mid-to-high teens. From a divisional perspective, we revised Innovative Medicines sales guidance upwards to grow high single- to low double-digit, and Sandoz sales guidance is revised upward to grow low single-digit. On slide 26, I want to walk you through some of the dynamics for the fourth quarter versus the nine months. We are having a very strong 2019 with core operating income growth of 18% year-to-date.

This is mainly driven by excellent sales momentum of our growth drivers and launches and also the productivity programs we have put in place. We had also a very moderate generic impact on some of our older Innovative Medicines brands and upside on valsartan from competitor supply shortages. As we move into quarter four, we continue to expect our growth drivers and launches to be very successful. We also expect continued benefits from our ongoing productivity programs. However, we also plan to further increase investments in launches and pre-launches such as Beovu, Mayzent, Piqray, Xiidra, and ofatumumab. As of quarter three, we do lap the valsartan upside in the base and valsartan generics are starting to return to several markets. In addition, we expect increased generic competition on Afinitor, Xeljanz, and some mature offtake brands.

As always, in these cases, we do not know exactly when the generics will enter the market. If generic entries would come again later or would continue to have minimal impact on our results in quarter four, we would expect to be at the higher end of the full year guidance. As you know, the above-mentioned mature onco and mature off the generic entries are a matter of time, and you need to consider that also in your modeling for 2020. On slide 27, quickly, let's look at how the currencies would impact our results if mid-October rates would prevail for quarter four and for 2020. You see the effect of the mainly strengthening dollar to diminish over time in quarter four already. The full year 2019 would be a - 3% on sales and a - 5% FX impact on operating income.

In 2020, the currency impact would diminish down to a - 1% for both sales and operating income. As you know, currencies fluctuate a lot. We update this on our website every month, so you have hopefully a very transparent picture on currency impacts and our results on a monthly basis. With that, I hand back to Vas.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Harry. Just in summary, when you look at the last slide, we continue to see tremendous momentum overall in the company. Whether you look at the sales and operating very good about where we are. I think we'll look forward to taking your questions. With that, I will hand it back to Samir.

Samir Shah
Global Head of Investor Relations, Novartis

Thank you. Operator will be open for Q&A. As we have rather a lot of questions today, can I please ask each person who's asking the question to limit themselves to only two questions? Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great, operator. We'll take the first question.

Operator

Of course. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, it's star and one on your telephone if you'd like to ask a question. Please press the hash key if you wish to cancel that request. Our first question comes from the line of Graham Parry from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Graham Parry
Analyst, Bank of America

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, on Zolgensma, you talked through some of the moving parts and the potential drivers into next year, but I was wondering if you could express any level of comfort with the consensus number of $1.2 billion at the moment, which would seem to assume either very high penetration into the incident patient population or quite a lot of prevalent patients being accessed through the course of the year. Is there enough prevalent penetration left after your bolus to get you to that number? Secondly, on Gilenya, it looks like you settled that with Mylan, looking at the court dockets and the stay there.

Could you give us any kind of feel for what sort of timeframe that would be coming into the market and whether you would expect to be seeking similar settlements with the other generic filers, given the rather positive comments in the preliminary injunction from the judge? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks, Graham. First on Zolgensma, as I explained on the dynamics, I think the key drivers here are going to be the continued penetration in the incident population, where our goal will be in the U.S. to achieve very high coverage of incident patients, both in newborn screening or those identified later on after newborn screening to continue to drive switches. It's important to note that while we have covered a portion of the prevalent patients to date, because we haven't reached the highest levels of coverage within the incident population, there will continue to be opportunities for switches for Zolgensma we expect in the coming year, and that's the second source of the business. The third will be the global launch, which we hope to achieve to enable us to go into Europe and other markets.

You'll, I think, likely know from the competitor sales as well, there's substantial sales opportunities outside the United States. We continue to prepare and develop those markets. I think our ability to launch in Europe, the Middle East, eventually in Latin America and Asia, will provide an important opportunity for Zolgensma IV. Lastly, of course, once we clarify the final filing and timelines, we'll provide further guidance on the intrathecal formulation and when we would expect that launch. Overall, I think a lot of catalysts coming for Zolgensma, a lot of positive momentum and energy around the data, a lot of interest from the physician and patient communities around the world. We are confident in our longer-term outlook for this medicine.

With respect to Gilenya, with respect to the recent court injunction, which now covers all generic manufacturers, I think that's what you were referring to. When you look at any potential settlements, we're not disclosing any details of those settlements. Those discussions, of course, are ongoing. Just to remind everyone, we would expect, at some point next year, a ruling from the district court or at the start of a trial with the district court, which will be important as well as the ruling on the appeal of the IPR ruling. I mean, those are the next milestones with respect to Gilenya. We feel very confident with our position given the language used in the initial IPR ruling, the strength of our recent restraining order that was put in place. I think overall, we feel good about where we are in this process. Next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Welford from Jefferies. Please ask your question.

Peter Welford
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, just regards to Zolgensma, I guess following up in terms of the commentary that 4Q will be broadly in line. I guess given that you've seen a roughly sort of similar split of incident versus prevalent patients, if I understand right, in the third quarter. Presumably there's still quite a large prevalent population of less than two years old left to be treated in the U.S. I guess I'm just curious, what is it at the moment that's the main factor to getting those patients on drug, given the broad access that you seem to have secured? If you could help to think about perhaps how we should think about that access improving during the course of 2020. Just moving on to for a minute, Piqray, obviously a pretty impressive second quarter sales number there.

I wonder if you can just talk about the testing rates that you're seeing at the moment, and give us some sort of idea in terms of, I guess, the coverage and the type of patients you're getting on Piqray at the moment, whether those patients are for the last line or whether you're seeing early use driven by positive companion diagnostic tests. Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Yeah, thanks for the questions, Peter. On Zolgensma, you're correct, that we continue to have a prevalent population available to us. Because, again, we are still climbing in our coverage of the incident population, every time we don't capture an incident patient, they become part of a prevalent pool that remains available to us for a period of time. That dynamic, we think, will continue for some period until we achieve our goals of having very high coverage of the incident population. Now, in terms of the dynamics on the prevalent population and switches, there's a combination of factors. I think one is just continuing to work on the access environment, particularly in Medicaid. We're at 30%. Our goal is to increase that now over the course of next year, that should enable us, hopefully, to be even more successful in the prevalent population.

Second is to continue the journey on patient and physician education, particularly around our long-term data. I think the only reasons we hear any reluctance to make the switch is because typically right now insurers are not covering both medicines. If you make the switch, you are making the switch onto the gene therapy. Continuing to educate physicians and patients on it. We're seeing, I think, a very strong uptake with respect to that as well. I think those are the two key dynamics, access and continuing patient advocacy and education. In terms of the access dynamics, as I think I've already described, we have very good coverage in the private. Public should climb, and our focus right now is to continue to push the uptake of newborn screening. Piqray, I'll hand it over to Susanne.

Susanne Schaffert
CEO of Novartis Oncology, Novartis

Thank you. Thank you, Peter, for the questions. Actually, we are very excited about our launch in Piqray. As you know, these patients that have a PIK3CA mutation usually have a very poor prognosis. We see very high interest, very positive feedbacks from physicians. We have reached $49 million year to date and have more than 1,000 patients that receive Piqray now. In terms of coverage, we see very broad coverage for the treatment, but also for the testing. As you know, Piqray as treatment, but also PIK3CA testing is covered in the NCCN guidelines, and we are very pleased also with the uptake of the testing rates. Specific to your question, what patients are currently treated on Piqray, while there might be a few patients that are in later lines, but as you know, this is metastatic breast cancer patients with poor prognosis.

We expect that the majority of patients come really from second-line treatment, and we expect continued demand and are very pleased with the performance so far.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Susanne. We're excited about taking Piqray into additional indications over time as well. Next question operator.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keyur Parekh from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.

Keyur Parekh
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good afternoon. Two questions, please. One, Vas, as you talk about the momentum for the business into the nine months of this year. Can you help us think about how you see that momentum developing into 2020? What might be things that might accelerate versus what might be things that might pull you back into next year? That's question number one. Question number two, coming back to Zolgensma. Can you give us a sense for how much of that $160 million was from U.S. versus ex-U.S.? How should we think about the reimbursement speed in the ex-U.S. markets for next year? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Keyur. On 2019 versus 2020 dynamics, as Harry described some of the dynamics for Q4, I think you'll have a similar set of factors that will impact us in 2020. You're going to see our launches will continue to drive with great energy as well as our growth drivers. We'll continue the strong productivity programs, where our goal has been to deliver $2 billion in absolute savings across NTO, our manufacturing, as well as procurement, as well as business services. At the same time, we have in oncology a set of potential generics or generics that have already, of course, launched. Primarily Afinitor, Exjade , I think, are the ones highest on our mind. I think we'll just have to see how those dynamics play out.

We think we'll set up well for a strong 2020 as well, and we look forward to providing full year guidance in January. With respect to Zolgensma, what I can say, I think probably the accurate thing to say is the vast majority of sales come from the U.S. We have had paid patients from select European countries that have put already in place programs. Of course, the French ATU is one such program, but there are other countries that have already reimbursed patients, including Portugal and Germany, amongst others. There is broad reimbursement right now for nusinersen in Europe. We are, of course, endeavoring to have as rapid as possible reimbursement uptake as we can.

We think there'll be strong advocacy for the use of Zolgensma. We think we can make very compelling cost effectiveness arguments for payers in Europe and other parts of the world with the medicine that hopefully will enable rapid access and rapid reimbursement. Thank you for the question. Next question, operator.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Baum from Citigroup. Please ask your question.

Andrew Baum
Analyst, Citigroup

Thank you. A couple of questions, please. I'm not sure if John Tsai is on the line, but I'd be curious as to his view. Both yourselves with Entresto and Biogen with aducanumab are filing data on subgroups from two trials which failed to hit their primary endpoints. In the context of some recent comments from Bob Temple, should we be thinking of this as a beginning of a new paradigm in willingness of the FDA to go further with subgroup analysis than they may have done previously in terms of trials which failed to meet? Second, on Cosentyx, looking at the IQVIA data, the drug seems to have stalled in terms of both NRX and TRX, approximately since the launch of Skyrizi. Is there some issue with sampling here? Is there something else going on to explain the paradoxical outlook? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

No, thank you, Andrew. On Entresto, John?

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah, thanks for the question, Andrew. I think it's very insightful that you picked up some of the deliberations from Robert Temple. I think one, when we look at Entresto and the results, obviously we talked about the heart failure with preserved ejection fraction population that currently has no treatment. Given that's the underlying basis, we are having discussions with the agency, and they have expressed interest in seeing the results. we'll have continued dialogue with them in terms of the best way to move forward, and we'll submit those before the end of the year. That's the approach we'll take for Entresto.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

If I could just add, I think one important element, I can't comment on the other filing you mentioned, but I think on Entresto, one important element is this is an approved medicine in reduced ejection fraction heart failure with a sizable safety database and a patient population that we studied that's adjacent to the original patient population. I would say also with unclear boundaries, the 40% ejection fraction versus 60% ejection fraction, where do we cross the line from reduced ejection fraction to preserved ejection fraction? It's notable 35% used to be the cutoff, and we've moved to 40% for reduced ejection fraction. We're in a gray zone here, and I think that's part of the reason we believe the regulators encouraged us to file the data and then take the next steps.

There may be ways to look at this to enable patients to benefit, particularly building off an approved medicine with a long track record. With respect to Cosentyx NRX, Marie-France?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

Actually we're delighted with our performance with Cosentyx. It's growing strongly, actually faster than the market in dermatology and rheumatology. It's normal for us to see some of these fluctuations in NBRX, but if we look across the year, the NBRX is very solid. In the U.S., we're actually growing twice the market in both derm and rheum. Skyrizi is expanding the market as other launches have done, but it's taking share from older agents, namely the anti-TNFs. Cosentyx is actually more than just a great dermatology drug. It's a complete treatment. Two-thirds of the patients have additional manifestations beyond skin, and given the complete treatment, our strong first line access, we're confident in the potential of this product going forward.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Yeah, if I could just highlight again, we've tried to look as carefully as we can about the dynamics. When we look at the NBRX data and the TRX data across in dermatology, we feel very good about the trends that we're seeing, and we'll look forward to continuing to demonstrate that in quarter four and then into 2020. Next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Le Berrigaud from Bryan Garnier. Please ask your question.

Eric Le Berrigaud
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Yes, good afternoon. First question is about amortizations of intangible in pharma. There are some significant swings here in the third quarter. It was significantly up. Going forward, what should we expect? Is it the first sign of AveXis of a full quarter being fully amortized? Should we expect $700 million-$750 million per quarter to persist over the coming quarters? The second question is about Entresto. My understanding is that in the U.S. you suffered from some negative inventory movements. Could you quantify that for the second quarter and maybe give some explanation whether it corresponds to any price increase or some rebate discounts in anticipation for that or these kind of things? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Eric. On amortization of intangibles, Harry?

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Yeah, Eric. Amortization of intangibles, of course, what you see is the acquired medicine, so to say, to increase the amortization piece according to the expected basic patent life that we assume in the accounting according to IFRS. We have AveXis and we have Xiidra coming in, which added, of course, then to the amortization. That's the level of amortization I would expect going forward. Of course, always pending potential M&A actions, which then would add to it. Of course, over time, some of the older assets would come off. That's right now roughly the level that we see also going forward.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks, Harry. On Entresto dynamics, Marie-France?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

We have seen some seasonal effects in Q3, but this is completely in line with previous years. We'll always see some stock and trade fluctuations, and we have seen some revenue reduction true-ups in Q3. If we look at demand, it's really strong. Our TRXs are up 50% year-over-year. We are expecting a really strong Q4, and we're comfortable with our full year consensus.

Eric Le Berrigaud
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Maybe Harry, do you want to just dimensionalize this a little? I know this is a question on the inventory versus revenue deduction.

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Yeah. It's roughly half-half. Also on the inventory, I just want to reassure you, this is sometimes one or two days of inventory we talk here. Overall, there's hardly any fluctuation on the company or the key brands that would be any cause of concern. It's one of our key control, as you know, each quarter, each month to ensure that we see overall sales in line with demand. When a couple of effects come together, like a bit of a revenue deduction and maybe one or two days less stock and trade, that moment you have a bit of an effect, especially as we also have in quarter three, always a bit lower new scripts on Entresto. Nothing to be concerned about. Very strong underlying demand.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Harry. Next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Weston from Credit Suisse. Please ask your question.

Matthew Weston
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you very much. Two questions if I can. The first is on Zolgensma and the strong data. Vas, I think you said that after we'd seen the second dose, you would discuss with FDA whether that was sufficient for filing or whether or not we had to wait for the highest dose data. I wonder whether those conversations have now been had post World Muscle and what the decision was between waiting for that third dose. Secondly, a question around share buybacks. Clearly the cash flow remains extraordinarily strong with the very strong earnings growth at the business. Obviously, the Alcon or the program associated with limiting the dilution of Alcon is now complete. I wondered philosophically how you felt about further additional share buybacks. If I can cheat a quick third one, Harry.

A feature of Q2 was writing back pre-launch inventory, and it had a very meaningful impact on margins. I wondered if we were going to see something similar with Beovu in 4Q.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Matthew. First on Zolgensma. We've submitted the data to FDA with respect to the first two doses that we presented at WMS. We still have not had the conversation yet with FDA. As soon as we have that conversation and can clarify the filing approach, we'll provide that. I would say as well, we are making progress as well on the high dose if it is in fact needed. Our position is that we have the data needed and we'll hopefully have that conversation with FDA in a positive way. With respect to share buybacks, Harry?

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Thank you Matthew, also for noting the strong free cash flow we have, which is always, of course, a key focus area for us, and we are doing quite well. Always improvement areas, of course, wonderful $9.4 billion the first nine months. Going well there. Overall share buybacks, we continue to see share buybacks as part of our capital allocation priorities. It's also number four. After we have completed this one, the $5 billion that we announced last year in June, we completed in quarter three. We, of course, continue to look at our capital overall and just to remind everybody on the phone, after the first priority being organic investment, the second will be a strong and growing dividend, and third being bolt-on up to basically 5% of our market cap. The fourth is share buybacks.

We will continue to evaluate this as we go forward. In case we would have a specific share buyback program to lower the ongoing share count, we would make an announcement publicly. We have an ongoing commitment to mitigate any diluting effect from our employee participation program, so you will see ongoing some share buybacks as we buy back employee shares. Let's see. Will it continue to be part of the future capital allocation priorities? Number four, we would always announce when we do a specific one.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Harry, on inventory movements on Beovu?

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

This is the launch provision. As we prior to approve a write-off any launch inventory, according to a prudent IFRS accounting rules, there will be some. I don't see that this would impact, as you have seen before. Usually our pre-launch inventory, the cost of goods are quite low, and therefore you don't see these effects and they level out over years.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Maybe I'll take the opportunity. Marie-France, do you want to provide some color of the conversation you had, Beovu at AAO and some of the excitement that you saw on the product?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

We're very thrilled about the feedback that we got at AAO. We spent some time there and obviously met with some of the top retina specialists in the U.S. What we're hearing from physicians is they really make their decisions on the ability of a medicine to dry better, on the dosing interval, on the safety, and on the cost. What we know with Beovu is that we really believe we've got a product that can deliver on these four dimensions, providing greater fluid resolution, longer intervals for patients, uncompromised safety. Definitely what we've heard from AAO is that physicians were very impressed on how we price the product. We really got great feedback. They're excited to use Beovu and want to treat patients quickly. A lot of them describe Beovu, and I'll just use a quote, as a generational leap. We're very excited.

We believe Beovu will be a major player in the wet AMD space and beyond.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thank you, Marie-France. We'll keep working to demonstrate that in the coming quarters. Next question, operator.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Scala from Cowen. Please ask your question.

Steve Scala
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you. Two questions. First on Zolgensma. It was launched with a pay-for-performance program. What portion of dosed patients have fully achieved the necessary milestones required by the pay-for-performance program, so any clawback is now not possible? That's the first question. Second question is on fevipiprant. What can you say about the performance on FEV1? Was it just inconsistent or was it a complete miss? It would seem less likely that a drug that fails on FEV1 hits on exacerbations. Nucala did just that, its FEV1 data was inconsistent and not a complete miss. Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks, Steve. On Zolgensma pay-for-performance, what I can say is we have that feature in many, if not all of our contracts with private insurers. I think very few, if any, have yet met the milestones associated with those contracts. I would say as well, though, that we've now presented data with patients out beyond five years maintaining all motor milestones. The average patient now from the START study is beyond four years of age, and we continue not to see deterioration in the motor milestones gained in those patients treated with Zolgensma.

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Vas, if I just add, Steve, on the revenue recognition principles, of course, on the very small portion of patients that would be under pay-for-performance, we ensure that we have appropriate revenue deductions from a statistical model, so to say, which initially we have from the clinical trials, and which we would update every quarter according to real world, which we expect to be close to clinical trials. Revenue deductions are already taking this into account and are very prudently managed.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

John, on fevipiprant, ZEAL?

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah, thanks for the question, Steve. I'm not going to get into the details of the fevipiprant study results, but what I will say is that we're currently in the process of really analyzing the results. One bit of color on it is we're not surprised by the results that were received in the ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2 studies. As you know, these studies were conducted in the moderate asthma patient population, and that was across a broad unselected population, and it was not stratified by eosinophil count. That was the basis. Our original intent in terms of filing was always looking at the severe population and especially looking at the elevated eosinophil count.

Given that that's our focus, we'll look forward to sharing the results in the first quarter as well as sharing the results of LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2, which will form the basis of our filing in the first quarter of next year.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks, John.

Steve Scala
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Next question, operator.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Florent Cespedes from Société Générale. Please ask your question.

Florent Cespedes
Analyst, Société Générale

Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you very much for taking my questions. Two quick ones. First, on respiratory, could we have your view on the respiratory franchise strategy going forward, given the fevipiprant results and the inhale products approvals expected next year? If you can explain the situation in Europe versus situation and your strategy in the U.S. Second question for Harry on Sandoz margin. How sustainable is the Sandoz operating profit margin improvement? How should we extrapolate the Q3 performance? In other words, what is the underlying growth or operating profit improvement for Sandoz this quarter? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Florent. I just want to say it's ladies and gentlemen now, at least for Novartis. We have almost 50/50 representation in the room. On the respiratory franchise, I think when you look at it, we have positive results now for QVM, the triple in asthma as well as QMF, which would be LABA ICS in asthma. That would be built on top of Ultibro, which is our LABA LAMA in COPD. We have a broad portfolio of inhaled medicines. We're now looking at the optimal way to launch that entire respiratory portfolio. Clearly, the final results from fevipiprant will shape a lot of our thinking. Our overall strategy in respiratory was to move towards more specialty respiratory and severe respiratory. We're building on our strength from Xolair.

Our ideal positioning would be to have Xolair, fevipiprant, then having QVM as an option for patients before they move on to the more advanced therapy. We'll see how that evolves. We continue to have a research program looking at diseases like IPF, sarcoidosis, pulmonary arterial hypertension as well. I think we'll have a better view on our longer-term outlook in the respiratory franchise in 2020. With respect to Sandoz and margins, Richard?

Richard Saynor
CEO, Sandoz

Thank you, Florent. The core op inc. clear was an exceptionally strong result for the quarter, reflecting good underlying performance, but also a notable impact of U.S. one-timers, particularly the Medicaid gross to net adjustment. The core gross margin, really driven by favorable product mix, strong underlying growth from the biologics business growing at 27%, and the geographic mix, plus the ongoing transformation and productivity improvement, as well as the positive impact of the Medicaid gross to net. Partly offset clearly by the continued price erosion, particularly we're seeing in the U.S. Our goal is to continue to drive margin improvements as we drive the operational focus. Clearly we don't make specific forecasts, and in 2020, we'll give you guidance for going forward.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thank you, Richard. Richard, any early perspectives on Sandoz and how you see things progressing?

Richard Saynor
CEO, Sandoz

Clearly we're on track with the Sandoz transformation. We've seen a very engaged organization that's very growth orientated, with a lot of work going on in terms of our supply chain, our alignment, and we're noting that the transformation is really much on track. This is a multi-year journey in terms of building a generic-focused business, which I look forward to talking to you about later.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thanks, Richard. Next question, operator.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Anderson from Wolfe Research. Please ask your question.

Tim Anderson
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Thank you. Going back to fevipiprant. I guess you still sound quite bullish on the program. You did hit FEV1 in your phase II trial. My question to you is, are you saying that the probability of success in hitting results in LUSTER are just as high now as they would have been before you knew the results of ZEAL? It seems to me that not showing an FEV1 benefit has to be a negative harbinger of sorts on what to expect from the next round of trials. A quick question on Xolair. The number of patients treated, do we just simply take the sales in the quarter divided by 2 million, or can you actually give us the actual number of patients?

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks, Tim. Just on fevipiprant, just to, I guess, clarify. When you go back to the phase II studies, the DP2 class has been, I think, well studied also in our hands. When we studied mild to moderate patients in various contexts, we did see some FEV1 benefit. We didn't see a significant benefit. It was only when we studied patients in a publication we published at ERS a few years ago and that looked at high eosinophilic patients that we saw the benefit. I think it's important context. ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2, LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2 are very separate efforts. ZEAL 1 and ZEAL 2 is looking at this mild population, moderate population, I should say, not stratifying for eosinophils.

LUSTER is looking at the severe population, and looking at the primarily, hopefully looking with a positive result in the high eosinophil population, as you've seen with the various biologics. The ZEAL result is largely in line with what we saw in phase II. It was requested of us, as it's been requested of others, to look at a less severe population. I don't think there's a read-through. I can't say we're more or less bullish about LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2. LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2 is just a different patient population. With respect to Xolair, you'd have to divide the total sales by the net pricing that we've achieved and also look at our U.S.-E.U. mix. You can think about it. We're in the range of 100 patients treated thatCurrently under the paid program.

We also of course have many patients that were previously treated in the managed access program as well as the ongoing clinical trials. I think roughly 100 patients treated to date around the world is a reasonable number, give or take. Next question, operator.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Richard Parkes from Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Richard Parkes
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I'm just trying to understand a little bit better the Mayzent onboarding issue. I'm just trying to understand why Mayzent would be any different from any other MS therapy. It sounds like reimbursement access isn't the issue here. Could you just confirm sort of the specifics there on whether it is a logistical issue rather than reimbursement access? That's first question, then the second question just on Cosentyx and non-radiographic axial spondyloarthritis. Obviously, penetration rates are partly low due to the lack of approved therapies in that setting. I think biologic drugs have been available for a little bit longer in Europe.

Can you discuss what experience in Europe tells us about the likely barriers to uptake in that setting and what you might be able to do to go about improving on those levels of penetration? Thanks very much.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks. On Mayzent uptake, Marie-France?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

Yeah. The NPRX that we see shows that physicians see the value in this product. We do see a 90-day lag between start forms and paid scripts. This is due to baseline testing and free drug. However, now that we've been in the market for a couple of months, we do see opportunities to accelerate this. I think if I go back to what I said in Q2, we've always said that the first 12 months with Mayzent would be about education. Physicians recognize that these patients are progressing. The challenge is that they're not diagnosing SPMS. That is because there have been no effective therapies until now. This means we need to change habits. That takes time. We're very committed to Mayzent because patients need it. It's really the only DMT with proven efficacy in this population.

We just need to continue to work on education and continue to work to accelerate the pull-through.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

I think one element that's specific to Mayzent is the need for certain genetic testing, which we're now working to accelerate as well. That's just one component. I think we really view this as a logistical operational challenge. We're seeing strong interest and strong demand from the patient-physician community. Now on your question on non-radiographic axial SpA, you are correct. There are TNFs that have been approved in the past in this indication in Europe. Yeah, I think the key things for us are going to be making a strong access argument around the world, in the U.S. and in Europe, and then improving diagnosis rates. When you look at the diagnostic inclusion criteria, it does involve an MRI.

I think one of the key things for us is going to be to work through physicians understanding how to identify patients that might be in what is really an early stage of ankylosing spondylitis, take the appropriate measures to evaluate the patient, and then hopefully get them on the medicine. Thank you, Richard. Next question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Richard Vosser from JP Morgan. Please ask your question.

Richard Vosser
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Two, please. First, just going back to Sandoz. I wondered if you could give us the contribution from the oral solids business at the nine months, both on the sales and operating profit. Also give us the idea of the contribution from the lack of depreciation to the margins from that business for the nine months. Second bit on a link to that is just when do we think the disposal to Aurobindo will happen now? Is that going to be by the end of the year, or should we continue to think this contributing to numbers in 2020? Second question just on Sandostatin LAR. Noticed that you're not commenting about that in terms of an impact on generics.

Maybe you could give us some flavor of the impact that you're seeing in Europe, the proportion of the rest of world sales that are from Europe, and what's happening ex-Europe. What sort of growth are you seeing ex-Europe that may be balancing any impact from the generics in Europe? Thanks very much.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Richard, on the Sandoz mix from oral solids versus biosimilars and other businesses?

Richard Saynor
CEO, Sandoz

Thank you. It's clear the biologics business accounts for roughly, I guess, about 20% of the total business within Sandoz, give or take. Clearly the biologics underlying growth about 27%. Is accelerating quickly versus, I guess, a still growing but flattish oral solids business. On your second part to that question around Aurobindo, clearly we're working closely with the authorities and with Aurobindo to close, and hopefully we'll get that approved by the authorities within the next month or so.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Harry, I think Richard also had a question on lack of depreciation. Any comment there?

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Yeah, that's a relatively small amount. We get back to you on that one. We have mentioned it before, but it's not very significant.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

On Sandostatin LAR, Susanne?

Susanne Schaffert
CEO of Novartis Oncology, Novartis

Sandostatin in sales were broadly in line with last year. When you put the different markets, there is still growth in the U.S., the product is holding very well. While in Europe, we see some first erosion from generics. To give a little bit more color, we know there is one generic company having marketing authorization for Europe, they are now working through their local or national ratifications. We know that U.K., Spain, France, Switzerland, and Germany have approvals, we see first commercial activities in Germany, where we see first erosion of our product. Going forward, you have to expect very focused erosion in some markets. That's what we expect. For the U.S., we have no news at this point. We continue to monitor the situation closely.

When you ask for how you would model that, we would expect there is only very limited generic entry, probably one company only. We would see a more gradual erosion if a generic enters.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Susanne. I would just want to highlight, this is a very complex manufacturing process. As far as we know, only one potential generic entrant depending on the market in Europe and the U.S., and not a product that's easy to supply in large volumes as well. These are all important factors to consider when you think about Sandostatin LAR and the formulation. Thank you, Richard. Next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Emmanuel Papadakis from Barclays. Please ask your question.

Emmanuel Papadakis
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking the question. Maybe if I take one on Aimovig. Seems to have had a somewhat slower start in Europe, and it seems to be perhaps slowing somewhat in the U.S. Just your perspectives on market trajectory of development from here. If you're able to give us any updates on the litigation, that would also be helpful. The second should be a relatively quick one. If you can give us any update on the status of your pegfilgrastim biosimilar filing in the U.S. That would also be helpful. Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. On Aimovig, Marie-France?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

To answer your question on Europe, where we've seen reimbursement, we've seen very strong uptake. If I take Germany as an example, we're doing extremely well in that market. Getting reimbursement in Europe has been difficult as we anticipated, given also the comparator to the product. In the U.S., actually, our performance is very good. We remain well-differentiated. We've got 4.5-year data that confirm efficacy and the safety. We've got good access, and since we were first to market, it is a product that is familiar to physicians. We do expect Aimovig's performance to continue, and we will continue to pursue reimbursement outside of the U.S.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

On litigation, we have no material updates on the litigation. We'll of course, keep everyone up to date. On pegfilgrastim, Richard?

Richard Saynor
CEO, Sandoz

Again, thanks, Emmanuel.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Clearly, we remain very confident in the quality of our dossier, and we expect that the FDA should complete its review very soon.

Great. Thank you. Next question, operator.

Operator

Next question coming from the line of Laura Sutcliffe. Please go ahead.

Speaker 26

Hello, thanks for taking my questions. One on Zolgensma, please. You said that 2/3 of patients on Zolgensma, incident patients on Zolgensma, have been given Zolgensma, where newborn screening is being implemented. Do you have any sense of why it's at that level? Is that just a reflection of current Medicaid access, or is there anything else at play there? Could you just remind us of your current situation with respect to a biosimilar etanercept at Sandoz and any thoughts you have on a potential launch down the line there? Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Laura. On Zolgensma, I think when there's newborn screening in place, we see, one, a high awareness of the potential of gene therapy to lead to a definitive, hopefully definitive, treatment for these patients. I think with gene therapy, I'm sorry, with newborn screening, there tends to be a high correlation with high degrees of awareness. When patients are identified later on, they tend not to be at specialized centers, or we have to then work a little bit harder to get the switches to happen. I think that's probably why we see that effect. Our aspiration is, regardless of whether newborn screening or identified otherwise, we believe Zolgensma should be the first choice for all of those patients. Our aspiration is to be above 90% coverage of all of those early incident patients in SMA. With respect to etanercept, Richard?

Richard Saynor
CEO, Sandoz

Again, thank you. First note, clearly Erelzi was approved by the FDA in 2016, but not launched due to the pending patent litigation with Amgen. The U.S. District Court of New Jersey ruled against us in the patent litigation of August ninth. We respectfully disagree with the ruling, and while valid intellectual property should clearly be respected, we believe patient patents in this case are invalid. We've appealed the ruling to the U.S. Court of Federal Circuit, and the parties have agreed to an expedited appeal. We look forward to bringing Erelzi to U.S. patients as soon as possible, and clearly, we'll update you of any progress.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

As soon as we have more color on when a potential decision might happen, we'll of course update all of you. Thank you, Laura, for your questions. Next question, operator.

Operator

Next question is coming from the line of Seamus Fernandez for Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Seamus Fernandez
Analyst, Guggenheim

Thanks for the question. Just a couple here. On fevipiprant, I don't want to over-read into the fevipiprant situation, but as I look at your slide deck, you specifically comment on a plan filing in 2020, and then in your appendix it says that the LUSTRE 2 trial is complete. Just a question here, do you have any data in hand from the LUSTRE trials on exacerbations, or is that review to be completed? It just seems like there's an implication that in the eosinophil high patient population, maybe there is an effect, but you're waiting for LUSTRE 1. The second question really is to kind of focus in on the way that you see Beovu ramping. Maybe you can just help us understand the launch trajectory for Beovu, and how we're going to see revenue kind of coming into the model.

Maybe you can just metric that for us versus the kind of launch that we saw with EYLEA. Thanks so much.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Yes. On fevipiprant, first it's important to note that in order to file in the severe population, we need both studies, the LUSTER-1 and the LUSTER-2 study. In order for us to make a determination, we also need to also see the pooled analysis across the two programs. As you rightfully point out, we have locked the LUSTER-2 database, we do have the initial readout from that study. We're awaiting now the LUSTER-1 readout to understand where the overall program and the pooled analysis as well sets all of the elements that would be required for a regulatory filing. We also have an additional study called the SPIRIT study, which is required from a safety standpoint as well. Once we have a clear perspective on all of these studies, we'll be able to provide an update in Q1. On Beovu, Marie-France?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

On Beovu, I would just really reiterate what we're hearing from the marketplace, which is that physicians are very excited to use the product. We know from clinical practice that fluid is the number 1 factor for treatment and for switching decisions. We believe that Beovu will convince, given the HAWK and HARRIER data, no doubt it'll convince even more in clinical practice. We've seen a lot of positive feedback from AAO. I think what I would say is Beovu meets physician needs for greater fluid resolution and meets patient needs for greater treatment intervals, we believe that Beovu will be a major player. I'll also say that I believe we've got a world-class team in place in the U.S. and that we'll see a really strong launch with Beovu.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

All right. Thank you, Seamus. Next question, operator.

Operator

Next question is coming from the line of Simon Baker from Redburn. Please go ahead.

Simon Baker
Analyst, Redburn

Thank you for taking my questions. Two, please. Firstly, on Zolgensma, I wonder if you could give us a little bit more color on the phrase even distribution of patients by type and age. I'm assuming it's not dead 50/50, any more color on there would be useful. Sticking with fevipiprant, I wonder if you could give us any thoughts on any potential mechanistic reason for the ZEAL result. Is this due to different implication of TH2 cells in moderate and severe asthma? There've been a few papers suggesting that maybe there could be some possible explanation there. Your thoughts on that would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Yes. Thanks, Simon. For ZOLGENSMA, we're obviously not providing that granularity of detail. What I can say is we've seen solid uptake in both patients between the ages of one and two and patients between the ages of six months and one year, and patients below six months. We've seen, I think, a relatively even distribution across these different age groups, and we've seen an even distribution as well between type 1, type 2, and type 3 patients. Those are the groups we're talking about when we say an even distribution. I would say in large part what we're trying to indicate is we are seeing approvals for the use of the medicine when prescribed, when on label, and after taking the appropriate steps with insurers. Now with respect to the ZEAL results and the mechanism, John?

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah, sure. Thanks for the question. I think you guys all know that fevipiprant is a selective DP2 agent, and in that case, it's not a classic bronchodilator. What we know is that DP2 activation increases with disease. In fact, as you have more disease, you actually would likely get more response from DP2s. Now, just one correlation that you probably know in terms of the biologics or IL-5s. In the moderate population, there was not significant improvement in FEV1. I think in this respect, we obviously want to see the results of LUSTER-1 and LUSTER-2 and expect to see better results in the DP2 antagonists for patients with severe population, especially with high eosinophils.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thanks, John.

Simon Baker
Analyst, Redburn

Thank you.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Next question, operator. Yeah, actually, Harry, you had one clarification.

Harry Kirsch
CFO, Novartis

Yeah, just for Richard Vosser. You asked about the divested Sandoz U.S. business related stopped depreciation. It is a small number. It's about $10 million per quarter. $30 million year to date, $10 million per quarter is the stopped depreciation.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thanks, Harry. Next question, operator.

Operator

The next question is coming from the line of Mark Purcell from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Mark Purcell
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yeah, thank you very much for taking my questions. Firstly, on China, could you please help us understand the outlook for your business in China, framing the opportunities as well as the threats? Clearly, very strong growth, some more key growth drivers that you highlighted and launches to come in terms of Entresto and heart failure and Cosentyx, et cetera. From the threat perspective, obviously a number of LOEs, I presume, are coming up, potentially including products such as Galvus. If you could help us understand the key approval decisions, NRDL decisions and LOE timings, that would be fantastic. There isn't a lot on LOE timings outside the U.S., Europe, and Japan in your annual report. Secondly, on canakinumab, I guess this is a bit of a wild card in your pipeline.

Could you comment on any interim analyses that are planned ahead of the primary completion of CANOPY-1 and CANOPY-2 in the first half of 2021? Just more broadly, in terms of your ambitions on IL-1 beta as a mechanism following the acquisition of the XOMA product? Thanks very much.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Mark. On China broadly, we see it as a obviously very important opportunity for the company. We've publicly stated we have an overall business in IM that's over $2 billion. Our goal is to at least double that business over the five-year term. It's driven entirely by new launches, our ability to launch new medicines. I'll have John comment a bit more on the number of approvals and NDAs we expect, and then maybe Marie-France can give more color on how we're doing on some of the launches. John?

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Thanks, Vas. As you know, we've put a significant effort into China. Already in the last two years, we've had 24 NDAs approved. That's across nine NMEs, new molecular entities. Moving forward over the next, between now and 2023, we expect to have 50 NDA submissions. In total, with that combination, it's over 70 NDAs. A significant effort that we're putting in behind China over the last two years and over the next couple of years.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

That fits with our overall belief that with the seven plus four initiative to take spend out of older medicines and free up resources to launch new medicines, we want to be well-positioned with all of our portfolio available in China, and ready to launch. Marie-France, do you want to give us some more color on how we're doing on some of those products?

Marie-France Tschudin
President of Novartis Pharmaceuticals, Novartis

First of all, I'll just comment and say that our China business is growing really well. Our growth rates are in the high 20s. The innovative portfolio is really what's driving the launch. If we look at Entresto, Lucentis, Cosentyx, they're among the five growth drivers for China. Entresto is actually the best primary launch ever, and we do expect to see an NRDL listing in Q4. That should be a big opportunity for China. Cosentyx is also off to a great start, obviously maintaining patients on an out-of-pocket setting is a challenge. It is a priority for us to get an NRDL listing also in 2020. We also expect an NRDL listing for Lucentis and DME and RVO this year. All in all, again, it's the innovative portfolio that's driving the growth.

We currently have no products on the 4+7 list, although that may change. Again, what we're going to focus on is really this innovative portfolio and expect to continue the strong growth.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Great. Thank you both. On canakinumab, John, any interim expectations?

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah. Specifically, obviously, we have the PARAGON results read out. One of the areas that we're looking into is the post-acute MI patient.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Oh, John, sorry, not Entresto. canakinumab.

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Oh, sorry.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Yeah. For the non-small cell lung cancer.

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Oh, yeah.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

First line, second line.

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah. What we can say about canakinumab, sorry about the confusion there.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Canakinumab.

John Tsai
Head of Global Drug Development and Chief Medical Officer, Novartis

Yeah, for CANOPY trials, CANOPY-1 and CANOPY-2, those are moving forward and recruiting well. We continue to see good results in terms of recruitment. What we do see in the adjuvant population is a little bit slower population in terms of recruitment in that study. I think balanced, what you're seeing in the marketplace is there's just less patients that are actually moving forward in the adjuvant population. For CANOPY-1 and CANOPY-2, those are moving forward very well in terms of recruitment, and CANOPY A in the adjuvant population is a little bit slower than we expected.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

We do expect CANOPY-2, potentially CANOPY-1, to read out in 2021. I'd say more broadly, our efforts in IL-1 beta and the inflammasome, we're quite bullish on it. Not only did we have the canakinumab programs, not only do we bring in a second agent for an IL-1 beta antibody, but we've also acquired a company called IFM Therapeutics, which has oral inflammasome inhibitors. That molecule as well as an internal program we're taking across a range of autoimmune indications, oncology indications, neurological indications. We would like to really own the inflammasome space for the long term, and that's what we're working towards. Thank you, Mark, for the questions. Next question, operator.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Naresh Chouhan from Intron Health. Please ask your question.

Naresh Chouhan
Analyst, Intron Health

Hi there. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, on to Tasigna, which seems to return to growth, at least in the U.S. Is it fair to assume that the impact of the TFR data is now played out and we should see sustained growth in the U.S., and similarly so in Europe in the coming quarters? Secondly, the gross margin in pharma was impacted by the selling gene therapy investment. Should we expect that to continue well into 2020, or is this a short-term impact given the Zolgensma uptake? Thanks.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

I think both questions for Susanne. First on Tasigna. Susanne?

Susanne Schaffert
CEO of Novartis Oncology, Novartis

Yeah. On Tasigna, we saw indeed very strong growth of 11% in the quarter. What we can say in the U.S., as you know, since AVAIL, we are focusing our messages around efficacy and around targeting new and switch patients. We believe this strategy is paying off, and we see the situation stabilize and expect modest growth going forward. The Q3 effect is an unusual one because it is artificially high because of inventory phasing versus Q3 in the U.S. That I would not expect to go forward like that. Overall, we are pleased that Tasigna seems to be stabilized and will expect modest growth going forward.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Cell and gene manufacturing investments.

Susanne Schaffert
CEO of Novartis Oncology, Novartis

Yeah. I say we have a lot of focus on improving our manufacturing process. We are quite pleased that capacity has been gone up by 60% between Q1 and Q3, so making good progress there. We have started to ship out of Les Ulis, which is the CellForCure side and signs for clinical supply, and overall, making good progress on that.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

I'd say, in retrospect, our goal is to work back up. I think you're correct. We have with the cell and gene technologies had to take some hit on our gross margins, particularly in oncology with CAR-T therapy. Our aspiration is to now start to improve that and get that back up now in the coming year. Last question, I think, operator.

Operator

That's right. Our last question comes from Mani Foroohar from SVB Leerink. Please ask your question.

Mani Foroohar
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I've got a quick first one on Zolgensma. Obviously, the expanded access and compassionate care dynamics in the U.S. are very different than other markets. When you think about the bolus phenomenon we're seeing in the U.S., could that phenomenon actually be more pronounced in some other markets as you roll out in Japan, Europe, et cetera? Regarding sickle cell, for SEG101, it's a little different administration profile and reimbursement profile than the oral generic that's on the market currently, but has really impressive clinical data. How do you think about investments in infrastructure and operational expertise that you can bring to bear to commercialize SEG101 across a market that has historically been pretty difficult to penetrate?

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thanks for the questions, Mani. On Zolgensma ex-U.S., what we have seen is in certain markets, there is a high degree of interest. They've already put in access programs in place to enable use of the medicines in multiple patients. I think in some countries in Europe as well as in the Middle East, there could be very strong demand coming very quickly after approval. Difficult to dimensionalize precisely given obviously the rarity of the disease. We do expect there to be similar, let's call it pent-up demand effects in overseas markets. Now on SEG101, Susanne.

Susanne Schaffert
CEO of Novartis Oncology, Novartis

Yeah. We are quite diligently preparing for the launch of SEG101, looking forward to getting approval Q1 of next year. When you ask about our commercial model, there's obviously a big focus on access to get access approval very quickly. I'm very confident about the product because it has an impressive impact on patients. As you know, SEG101 is targeting VOCs, which is the hallmark of the disease. When you talk to patients, how devastating a pain crisis is, and seeing that SEG101 could halve episodes of VOCs, I think that's impressive. That's also the feedback we get from physicians. Focus is to work on access, but we're very confident and looking forward to being ready for launch.

Vas Narasimhan
CEO, Novartis

Thank you, Susanne. Thank you all for joining today's call. We look forward to seeing you at our R&D day in early December. For those of you who can make it, we'll be focusing on profiling our next wave of innovation coming out of our early phase III and late phase II programs so you get a sense of the next wave of important medicines we'll be bringing forward as a company. As well as providing more detail on the depth of the programs we have on many of our products, including Cosentyx, Piqray, and others that we've profiled over the course of today's call. Thank you for your interest in Novartis, and we'll look forward to speaking with you soon. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.