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Earnings Call: H1 2024

Jul 18, 2024

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Semiannual Report 2024 Conference Call and Live Webcast. I am Sandra, the Chorus Call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session.

You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. Webcast viewers may submit their questions or comments in writing via the relative field. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Thomas Oetterli, CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Good morning. [ Foriegn language] Bonjour, buongiorno, grüezi mitenand, ladies and gentlemen. Also, a warm welcome from my side. First, let me start by briefly giving you an overview of what happened in the first half of 2024. The cover slide is still the same, like in March. It shows our air-jet spinning machine, J 70. We unveiled the J 70 last year at the industry's largest fair, ITMA, in Milan. In June 2024, we then announced that we will install the world's first-ever complete air-jet spinning system with J 70 technology at Guangxi Baise Xinghe Textile Company in China.

So the future is no longer a plan, but it has become reality. This sale also reflects the strengths of our product portfolio, which is designed around automation, digitization, and recycling. In the fiercely competitive markets in which we operate, this meets a key need of our customers. Customer interest at the ITM exhibition in Istanbul in June 2024 confirmed our innovation approach. ROBOspin, our automatic piecing robot, was the centerpiece of our exhibition and was sold for the first time on the Turkish market.

In further confirmation of our innovation strategy, we just received a follow-up order for our winding machines from DIW, one of the biggest spinners in China. This contract follows on from a previous order in March 2024 for draw frames and combers. The cooperation is part of a broader agreement to develop state-of-the-art spinning operations and achieve unprecedented levels of quality, productivity, and efficiency. This takes me to my next point, our campus. We have just moved into our new headquarters, which is designed to further sharpen our customer centricity.

Our campus is a powerful innovation hub that houses the industry's most advanced spin center. This is where we pool all our expertise, so we can better cater to our customers' needs and accelerate their success. We invite you to tour our campus at our upcoming Capital Market Day in October 2024. You will be able to see for yourself the open collaboration and community zones and the state-of-the-art spin center. Before I dive into the presentation, let me also say a word about our Next Level performance program, which we launched one year ago.

It was a tough year for our employees, but they carried out this program very professionally. It is thanks to their relentless implementation that we find ourselves in a good cost position, which allows us to perform sustainably, also in low market scenarios like this year, 2024. We now move to slide number four, the key messages. I will focus on order intake, our performance program, Next Level, the current market situation, our campus, and order backlog. I will also give a high-level overview of sales. Oliver will then walk you through the details on the financials.

This includes a deep dive into sales, EBIT, free cash flow, and net profit. Now let's have a look on order intake. In line with expectations, the order intake was CHF 403.4 million in the first half of 2024, which was 24% higher than the previous year. The increase in demand for new machines in the Business Group Machines & Systems, contributed to this positive development. Orders came mainly from China, from India, and from Turkey. At the same time, demand for consumables, wear and tear, and spare parts declined slightly due to the continued weak demand for textiles.

A quick word on sales. Sales were CHF 421 million. As expected, this was 44% lower than in the previous year. Oliver will walk you through the details, and I will say more about the Next Level shortly. Last one is order backlog. On June 30, 2024, we had an order backlog of around CHF 640 million, which therefore remained more or less stable compared to the last year's final figures.

Now, let's turn to the market. Let's move to slide number six and have a look at the spinners' margin and the cotton price development... The average spinners' margin in 2023 was substantially lower than in the boom years of 2021 and 2022. It slowly started to improve in the first half of 2024.

The average cotton price dropped in 2023, and again in the first half of 2024, which allows spinners to make profit with their mills. Many of our customers still had cotton in stock, which they had bought at high prices in 2022, so they made no profit with the yarn prices of 2023. Now, this situation has improved. Let's continue on slide number seven with the spinning mill utilization. We have seen overheated markets in the year 2021 and in the first half of 2022.

At the end of 2022, China cooled down first and has started to recover in 2023. Capacity utilization in China remains unchanged. Over the last couple of months, the spinners in India have been seeing an improvement in their margin and volume generation. The rest of the world is still on a steady level. The demand for consumables, wear and tear, and spare parts will depend on spinning mill capacity utilization in the months ahead. According to our estimation, the steady increase will have a positive impact on volumes in the second half of 2024.

Let's take a look at how the overall spinning market is developing on slide number 8. In the first column, you see the overall market and then where we stand as Rieter. Next, you see the market that covers the rest of the world, followed by India and China. Here, China is clearly spearheading the market recovery. Africa and Asian countries are growing overall, while Europe, North and South America are stable. Turkey, meanwhile, is still in a recovery from the earthquakes. A standout in the rest of the world market is that Rieter's order from the Egyptian holding company is to be completed in 2024.

In the declining market of Turkey, we are meeting a growing demand for ROBOspin, our automated piecing robot. In South America, we have received good new orders for new machines. Here, Rieter is ideally positioned to benefit from a recovery. Let's turn to India, one of the largest textile markets in the world that is also hypercompetitive. We are seeing an uptake in volumes for our customers, but they are still recording at a relatively low margin level. The good news is that the offer pipeline now is increasing for us. In addition, the strengthening of the local R&D setup will further underpin our sales efforts.

In China, we are seeing a continued positive investment sentiment, and it remains the strongest market in the world. We are recording large orders for machines and systems and components. Here, too, our local R&D setup is also an important support for our market position and helps us expand our market share. A couple of words on Next Level here on slide number 10. As mentioned, we are working intensively on the implementation of the Next Level performance program.

The optimization of overhead structures and the adjustment of production capacities were successfully executed according to plan. Thanks to strict cost management, EBIT was positive, despite the fact that sales were lower than forecasted in the low market scenario. The transfer of resources and responsibilities to India and China is on track, enabling these key markets to respond more effectively to customer needs and cycles in the machinery business.

Rieter continues to pursue growth in the after-sales and components business in order to achieve a more balanced mix between the business groups in the medium term. With this introduction, I close the first part of my presentation and now hand over to Oliver Streuli for the financials.

Oliver Streuli
CFO and Member of Group Executive Committee, Rieter Holding AG

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome, also from my side. I will now present to you the key elements of our financial performance in the first half year of 2024. I will start on slide 12 with the key messages. Overall, the first half of 2024 was characterized by a higher order intake, both compared to the prior year as well as compared to the second half year of 2023, which confirmed our expectation of a market recovery in the course of 2024.

In contrast, sales were remarkably lower compared to 2023, driven by a very low order intake in 2023 and amplified by a seasonally weaker first half year of 2024, especially in the machines and systems segment. Due to a better mix of aftersales and component sales versus sales of machines and systems, we were able to expand the gross profit margin. Absolute gross profit amounted to CHF 122.2 million, a decline of 33% versus 2023. Most remarkably, a significant overhead cost savings, largely driven by Next Level measures, protected the positive EBIT of CHF 8.9 million for the first half year of 2024.

Net debt decreased to -CHF 243.9 million versus the prior year, on the back of a reduction in operating net working capital. Free cash flow was only slightly negative, at -CHF 1.1 million, mainly driven by cash outflows due to the execution of Next Level measures. Let's continue with a deep dive on the key financial highlights on the following slides, starting with order intake on page 13. Order intake increased by 24% in the first half year of 2024, driven by more than CHF 100 million higher orders for machines and systems, compared to a very low base in 2023.

Order intake for components and aftersales was slightly lower, due to still subdued demand for wear and tear and spare parts, and overall significantly lower production volumes for new machines across the industry. Across the regions, we saw a continuously strong market activity in China, followed by a certain recovery in India, while the rest of the world remained on low levels. This is in line with our expected sequence of market recovery, as explained earlier. Let's move on with sales on the following page.

Sales for the first half year were 44% below the prior year, at CHF 421 million. The low market scenario, in combination with a sequentially lower first half year, was executed according to expectations. The drop in sales was most pronounced in the Business Group Machines & Systems, by more than 60% year-on-year, while sales in the Business Group Components came in 11% lower. In contrast, the Business Group After Sales managed a growth of 7% against the difficult market environment.

As a consequence, the growth in aftersales helped to balance the high cyclicality of the new machines and systems business to some extent. Let's move to slide 15. The higher order intake, combined with a low market sales scenario, led to a stable order backlog. On June 30, 2024, we had an order backlog of around CHF 640 million. This corresponds to a similar level at the end of 2023. Order cancellations in the first half year of 2024 remained on a normal level. However, we are still experiencing some shifts in deliveries from 2024 into the first half of 2025.

The current order backlog level represents a normal level of visibility in terms of book-to-bill times of six to nine months, after the extraordinarily high order backlog of 2021 and 2022. As can be seen on page 16, the EBIT margin of 2.1% against the lower-than-low sales scenario of CHF 421 million in the first half year of 2024, is in line with our Next Level ambitions. Specifically, the realization of price increases in the machines and systems business in 2022 and 2023, which came into effect this year, as well as a better mix of components and aftersales, led to a resilient gross profit margin.

This resulted in a gross profit margin that was around five percentage points higher compared to the prior year. Significant cost decreases in R&D and SG&A, as a result of Next Level, concluded the solid operating performance in a very difficult overall environment. Let's dive into the details on EBIT on page 17. Compared to prior year EBIT, we lost CHF 80.6 million gross contribution by the significantly lower sales level, most notably in Business Group Machines & Systems. A better mix, both in terms of margins and aftersales and component volumes, contributed CHF 21.5 million.

This mitigates, to some extent, the underabsorption in our operations, driven by the significantly lower production volumes. Overhead costs for R&D and SG&A were CHF 41.6 million lower than the prior year, confirming our Next Level cost-saving targets. Overall, the team did a great job in executing the Next Level measures. To some extent, even faster than planned, and they slightly overachieved in terms of cost discipline in the first half year of 2024.

On the following page 18, I would like to present you a breakdown of our cash flow in the first semester of 2024. On first sight, free cash flow was slightly negative by CHF 1.1 million. However, broken down into the available individual elements, it becomes evident that our sales, operations, and supply chain departments improved cash generation via a reduction of operating net working capital in the first half of the year by around CHF 35 million. CapEx, in contrast, was spent restrictively, which led to an adjusted free cash flow of around CHF 50 million for illustration purposes.

We had a significant one-off item in the first half year of 2024, as expected, which should be looked at in contrast to the solid operating performance. Specifically, we executed the expected cash out of restructuring measures amounting to CHF 23.1 million, most notably in relation to the closure of the Ingolstadt site. On page 19, we see the summary of our most important balance sheet items compared to the financial closing of 2023. Net working capital overall increased versus the end of last year, driven by other net working capital, most notably the execution of Next Level measures.

Net debt increased by CHF 52.7 million, due to the dividend cash out of CHF 13.5 million, and higher leasing liabilities in the amount of CHF 35.9 million, in relation to our new spin center and headquarters at the Rieter campus. Our equity ratio increased by 3.1% points to 31.9%, due to favorable non-operating currency impact in our balance sheet.

I conclude with the workforce overview on page 20. As a consequence of painful but strict capacity adjustments and the Next Level execution due to the low market scenario, we reduced our overall workforce by almost one quarter compared to the prior year. Going forward, we do not plan any more structural measures, and expect to manage the flexing of our capacity with temporary personnel and other supply chain optimization initiatives. That's it on the financials. Back to you, Thomas, for the outlook.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Thank you very much, Oliver. Well, the markets remained under pressure from the economic slowdown, the high inflation rates, and noticeably dampened consumer sentiment. The first signs of recovery in financial year 2024 have emerged in the key markets of China and India, and Rieter expects demand to pick up further in the coming months. For the full year 2024, Rieter anticipates sales in the range of CHF 900 million-CHF 1 billion and a positive EBIT margin of 2%-4%. Now we are open for questions from your side.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the touchtone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Questions on the phone are requested to use only handset and eventually turn off the volume of the webcast. Webcast viewers may submit their questions or comments in writing via the relative field. Anyone with a question may press star and one at this time. Our first question comes from Christian Arnold from Stifel Schweiz. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Yes, good morning, gentlemen. A couple of questions from my side. First, maybe on the specified guidance, and here on the sales guidance. Before you had talked about around CHF 1 billion, now you're talking sales of CHF 900 million-CHF 1 billion. So what has changed since March that you are somewhat, yeah, lowered the top-line guidance?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Well, thank you for this question. Yeah, so thank you for this question. I will start with that. It is correct. We had, you know, we made last end of, or beginning of this year, when we made the guidance for the whole year, we said we will go into a low scenario around CHF 1 billion, huh? Now, we have seen that in the first half of 2024, achieving somewhere at CHF 420 million.

There is a certain risk, you know, to say what could be the volume for the second half. So if you try to calculate, we have for the second half, CHF 480 million-CHF 580 million. So CHF 480 million would mean CHF 900 million, CHF 580 million would mean one billion. The reason behind is that we have one or two larger jobs where we know it will be very tight towards the end of the year, whether we can already book them this year or they will fall into the beginning of next year. It depends a little bit on the finalization of construction for those customers.

So, we said, "Okay, in the best case, or in the good case, we will be at the CHF 1 billion mark, and in the worst case, we would be at the CHF 900 million." So I think it's fair to say we will be somewhere between, definitely not lower and definitely not higher. You also have to understand that if you have a lower backlog than in the past, then one job cannot be compensated easily by another job you might be able to advance.

If you have a backlog of CHF 1.5 billion, now so many things are in move, one single job does not depend so much because you still have possibilities to negotiate maybe with other customers to advance their program. So that's the reason why we said, "in all fairness, I think we have to have a range between CHF 900 million and CHF 1 billion.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Okay, very clear. And then on the EBIT margin side, that also, I mean, can we think that if you are, if you are more landing on the CHF 900 million, EBIT margin will be 2%, and if you go more to the, to the one billion, it will be rather 4%? Or is there any, any other components we would have to consider there?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Yeah, I think this is a fair assumption. You, as you can see, we are suffering heavily from the volume drop. To some extent, you are able to counterbalance that, especially by cost measures on the structural cost side, as evidenced in the first half year. But EBIT margin profitability is quite sensitive on the volume front. Our baseline scenario, as just indicated by Thomas, assumes a sequentially stronger half year, which should also then be reflected in a sequentially higher EBIT margin in the second half year.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Okay. Thank you,

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

And maybe on top of, and maybe on top of that, just one additional remark. So we were, you know, around the 2% with a volume of CHF 420 million.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Mm.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Now, what you can do, you can double that. Then you are landing at 840, and you would be, you know, just go normal. You would say, okay, then you are at 2%. So I think there is some upside potential that the lower end is really a worst case scenario.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Okay, very clear. Second question would be on the follow-up orders from the DIW. I mean, the first order you published back in March, you were talking about CHF 62 million. Yesterday, you were not indicating the size. So what could we assume here? Is it similar? Is it larger? Is it smaller than the CHF 62 million you got back in March?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Yeah. So it is, we also announced it is the highest order we ever had in related to China. So it's a high double-digit million amount, so it's bigger than the CHF 62 million we were able to book in March. And, this amount will be booked in the second half of this year. To be clear, this is not included in our order intake figures of the first half of the year. Execution of the first order is partially in 2024 and then mainly in 2025, and a little bit maybe in 2026. Execution of the second order is half in 2025 and half in 2026. So this first order has not really an impact on our sales volumes in 2024.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Okay. My last question would be on the margin development, EBIT margin development of the different division. I was positively surprised by the sale, by, by the margin of after sales being clearly above 20%, if I calculated correctly. I was negatively surprised by components being rather low, low single digit margin. Are these somehow new normal levels? Or, yeah, can you comment on that? Thank you.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Yeah, happy to take that question. First, on after sales, as you all understand, this is a volume business, and since we managed to slightly grow while being very disciplined on the cost side, we had to have a certain tailwind, obviously, on the margin. I would expect, I would expect that if we can continue on the volume side, that this margin level should be more or less stable.

Then on component side, I think it's important to point out that the third-party volume was down by 12%, as indicated. However, the other part of the business serves our internal customers, so the in-house business, and this was down significantly, much more significant than the third-party business, whereas the cost base obviously needs to serve both. So we suffered quite a lot on the component side.

We will be able to increase, especially, machines and systems volumes again. This business is expected to pick up as well. So I would expect that the margin on the component side is quite low, and this is not to be assumed as a status quo going forward.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

We should see double-digit margins again from, let's say, 25 onwards?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

We do not provide a guidance on segment level, but we would expect a normalization of those margins again, if volumes are to recover.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star followed by one. So far, there are no more questions from the phone, sir.

Speaker 5

Okay, thank you very much, Sandra. Now, we do have a question from Zürcher Kantonalbank, Yannik Rihs . Two questions. The first one is: Can we expect a similar development in the individual divisions in the second half of the year as in the first half, also in terms of margins?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Well, I think we have now pointed out, you know, a lot is driven by volume. Now, if you take, our guidance for the total year volume. So starting with CHF 420 million in the first half year, the second half year would be between CHF 480 million and CHF 580 million. Why is that so important? Because volume is driving absorption of our capacities in the manufacturing sites. So even in a lower end, you can expect that, we should be able to have more absorption of our capacities, so this should fuel better our gross margin.

As we will stay, you know, even on a normalized level, very competitive on our overhead cost, we are expecting that our overall margin is improving in the second half compared to the first half. I mentioned before, if all these guidance of top line would not happen and we would be, you know, on the same level as we are today, then we would be in a worst-case scenario at somehow 2%. But this is not our planning assumption.

Our planning assumption is that the sales volumes are higher in the second half than in the first half, and this will drive more absolute gross contribution or gross margin with a more or less stable, maybe slightly higher, overhead cost. We should have an improvement of our EBIT margins. And this will be, this will be driven by new machines and systems, and also partially by the component business. I think in the after-sales business, we are already on a very high level, and I do not expect that we have any upside there. The improvement will come from new machines and systems and from components.

Speaker 5

The second question is, do you expect an improvement in order intake in the second half of the year compared to the first half?

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Well, I mean, let's be honest, I somehow got used to, in the first two weeks, to get every two weeks, a big order, so it was a minimum, a good start, I could say, huh? So, I have no problem if this continues like that. I think the trend we have already announced at the last year's total year call, you know, in March. We said that we expect first China to further improve. We also have, besides the market, we do have some possibilities on our side because we had, let's say, a lower market share in China than in the past. We are working on that. Obviously, we see that. So I think China will continue to be strong.

Then we see that in India, you know, there is more and more activity coming up, and, of course, we are now facing that our offer pipeline, you know, is dramatically increasing. So this gives us also some confidence that now the Indian market is starting to recover. And then I know, of course, you know, in the rest of the world, we had some good hits in some specific markets, and we do have now also quite a good offer pipeline.

So yes, order intake should increase compared to the first half of the year and should also allow us that we have a reasonable start into the year 2025. I'm not expecting that 2025 will be, you know, totally fantastic. It might be a slight improvement to this year, huh, but I do not see at the moment that it will be as rapidly as it has been in the past in a recovery, yeah. So it goes market by market. China is strong, India is becoming stronger, and now we see also the rest of the world starting to pick up, and this should be visible in our order intake.

Speaker 5

Okay, there is another question from Andreas Meier,[Foriegn language] Finanz und Wirtschaft.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Mm-hmm. So maybe I translate. So our R&D expenses are substantially lower than in the past, and if this is a risk for the future, where you made the savings, how did you do that? You know, according to what, selection criteria. So it's very simple. You can do everything, or you can do the right thing. If you do everything, you spend a lot of money for many, many things, and it's difficult to manage that, you know, this whole bunch of initiatives is executed on time, on cost, on quality, and on deliverables.

So in the executive committee, we have done a screening of our portfolio of development activities and said, "Which are the ones which really make a difference? And which are the ones which are somehow nice to have and, you know, are also maybe more driven by the engineers than by the market?" So we made a market assessment about mega trends and what customers really want from us on one side, and on the other side, where do we see that we have maybe low market shares at the moment, and where can we gain more market share because we have not been so strong in the past?

So that was, we had several selection criterias, and then we made, like, a forced ranking. And the one or the other project where we have spent quite substantially money in the past, we have stopped. And yes, what we have spent in the past was then sunk cost. Sometimes you have the tendency that you say, "Ah, we have already spent so much money, you know, we should try to finalize the program and the project," and you add and add and add and add resources, but nobody really can tell you what is now really the advantage for customers.

So this selection led us then to a much tougher management of development activities. And then, of course, we saw that we have too much too many resources. And in all fairness, if you look on the cost, you know, we have for R&D in this first half of the year, CHF 25.3 million. If you compare that with the sales volume of CHF 420 million, you still end somewhere at 6%-7% R&D cost.

And I have to say, you know, comparing that with many other companies in many other industries, in the machinery industry, I believe nobody can say that we are somehow, you know, destroying the future. It's still a lot of money we are spending, and we have to make sure that even this huge amount of money is invested well into the right projects. And one of these projects, coming back to my introduction, was the new air jet machine, the J 70.

There we said, okay, we have even added more resources because we see this is a market where there is, at the moment, in fact, almost a monopolist. And so we would like to get some share of that market segment. And there we see big chances. Let's invest more where you also have a certain payback, and let's not waste money where you don't see a payback.

Speaker 5

Thank you. There are no more questions on the webcast, but we do have an additional question from Christian Arnold, from Stifel Schweiz on the phone. So Sandra, again, back to you, please.

Operator

Mr. Arnold, you may proceed with your question. Thank you.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Thank you. Yes, in your presentation, you said that you see some shifts from order delivery from 2024 to the first half of 2025. Yeah, can you specify that a little bit? So in which markets you see some certain postponements?

Oliver Streuli
CFO and Member of Group Executive Committee, Rieter Holding AG

This is actually reflected, Christian, this is reflected in our specified guidance. So while we were sitting previously at around CHF 1 billion, and now we are saying CHF 900 million-CHF 1 billion, you may expect, you know, the magnitude of the adjustment is mainly related to those shifts. And in terms of markets, I'd like to hand over to Thomas, you know, for a bit more color.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

So the markets we see is mainly in the rest of the world, because, you know, in the rest of the world, the consumption of the or the, let's say, the textile industry is still somehow weak. The textile demand is still somehow weak, so, customers who have planned and also agreed certain investments into, new spinning mills or new capacities, they are sometimes, you know, now saying, "Well, can we not postpone by a couple of months? You know, we are uncertain about the future." I think at the moment, you know, this is not, it's not very unusual.

Also, in the past, we have seen that. But when you have a lower total volume and you have a lower order backlog, you know, one project which is requested to be shifted, has a much, much higher impact on your top line than if you have a backlog of CHF 1.5 billion or CHF 2 billion. So the baseline is much smaller, so the impact of one project to be shifted is then, therefore, a little bit higher. So it's mainly in the rest of the world. We don't see that in China. We don't see that really in India. It's more in some Western markets.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Okay. Thank you very much. And then maybe a little bit a longer view. I mean, looking at, yeah, looking at the U.S., what's going on there, and maybe most likely Mr. Trump will be the next president, and he's already talking about new taxes, so 10% on all imports, 60% of imports out of China. Any first thought on that, could that harm Rieter's business? Could that somehow actually boost Rieter's business? How do you see that? Thank you.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Well, a little bit like in politics, you know, sometimes it's looking to the crystal ball. You cannot always exactly estimate impact of a certain political behavior. We are also not very political as a company. But I think there are opportunities, and of course, there are also risks. In all reality, you know, there's almost no export of yarn from China to the U.S. . So the Chinese spinning mills in China are mainly supplying or producing yarn for the domestic demand and for some Asian companies. Export to the U.S. is coming from Middle and Latin America.

It's coming also from the U.S. itself. And it's coming from some Asian countries which are not, let's say, in any ban or potential Trump tariff. Now, even if this would happen, we have a strong organization in the U.S. We have quite a good presence, I have to say. We have very long-term relationships with the major spinners. There are mainly two, two big ones in the U.S., where we have a very close relationship, and they are super, super happy with our also with our after-sales business, you know, the way how we serve them, the way how we make sure that they are competitive.

It is, in fact, our major market, or it was our major market for introduction of ROBOspins or automation. We have helped those customers a lot to stay competitive. Now, the American customers also have done some nearshoring to Middle America, where we have a super, super strong position. You have seen that, we said that in this, Middle America, Latin America, we were able to get the one or the other nice new order, and this also helps us. So I think overall, with our very global presence we have, we are very well-positioned for any type of move from a political stage.

So, I think also with our supply chain footprint we have, you know, being, producing in, in Europe, Germany, Czech, and some components in Switzerland, producing also in India and producing in China, we are- we have a very good footprint, you know, to have local for local production. And we will further go into that direction, that we will, mainly cover locally, local needs. So I'm not scared about any political development.

Christian Arnold
Senior Equity Analyst, Stifel Schweiz

Thank you very much.

Operator

There are no more questions. Back to you, Thomas, for the closing words.

Thomas Oetterli
CEO and Chairman of Board of Directors, Rieter Holding AG

Good. So, ladies and gentlemen, first of all, thank you very much for attending this call and showing interest in our company. I'm convinced that we were able to demonstrate to you that Rieter is now on a path of success, and that we are delivering according to our commitments. With this, I would like to close this call. Once again, thank you for your interest. I wish you all happy vacations and a little bit more sunshine than in the last couple of weeks, and then I say goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for choosing Chorus Call, and thank you for participating in the conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.

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