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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

Apr 17, 2019

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Roche first quarter sales 2019 audio webcast and conference call. I'm Sherry, the conference call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. Webcast viewers may submit their questions in writing via the relative field. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Dr. Severin Schwan, CEO of the Roche Group. Please go ahead, sir.

Severin Schwan
CEO, Roche

Thank you. Welcome to our briefing on the quarter one sales. Going right into the presentation on slide six, you're seeing that we started with strong sales growth into the current year, 10 percentage points up in pharma. Very much driven by the newly launched medicines, 1% in diagnostics, so 8% sales growth for the group. You see on slide seven, we keep a good momentum on a quarterly basis. Turning to slide eight, we have now 27% of our pharma sales coming from the more recently launched medicines. Just to highlight three of them. Ocrevus, as you know, the best launch ever at Roche, continues to grow strongly. HEMLIBRA, really excellent growth now also in the non-inhibitor segment, where we have received recent approval in the United States. That was really driving the growth there.

Lastly, for TECENTRIQ, we saw very strong sales growth very much driven by the approvals in the new indications of triple-negative breast cancer and small-cell lung cancer. Turning to the pipeline on page nine, you see that we have received another two breakthrough therapy designations in the first quarter. One for VENCLEXTA and an additional one for Gazyva. As far as Spark is concerned, we expect the transaction to close this quarter, still in the first half of 2019. On slide 11, I just highlight AAN, American Academy of Neurology, which is upcoming and where we will present additional data on Ocrevus. Very much look forward to that. We will also show phase III combination data for satralizumab, a combination with steroids. We also very much look forward to give you an update on risdiplam, our molecule in SMA.

Now, based on the strong performance in the first quarter, we expect sales now to grow in the mid-single digits. We raised the outlook from low to mid-single digits, which we gave you earlier this year. Core EPS to grow broadly in line with sales, and on that basis, to further increase our dividend in CHF. There's just a last comment on slide 13. You see a high number of opportunities in late-stage development. Let me just confirm and point out that we expect approval for entrectinib and polatuzumab still this year. As far as risdiplam and satralizumab is concerned, we expect filing still for the current year. On that positive note, let me hand over to Bill for pharma. Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

As Severin mentioned, a very strong start to the year for the pharma business. You can see here the highlights in terms of revenues, 10% overall growth in constant exchange rate, 12% in Swiss francs. It was actually quite a broad-based effect with really the only exception being a little softness in Europe based on biosimilars. I would say even there, given the rate of decline in biosimilars, that the -6% is still a pretty strong figure. You can see, obviously, with U.S. growing at 14%, international outside of Europe and Japan at 17%, and then even Japan at 7% in a challenging Japanese market. We're very pleased with what we saw at the start to the year.

Looking a little deeper at the specific products, again, you can see the top four were all newer products led by Ocrevus with a growth of about two-thirds over last year. Again, you can see that in the U.S. and Europe and international. Perjeta, which we'll come back to, but again, sort of broad-based strength on uptake of APHINITY in early breast cancer setting. HEMLIBRA, very strong both in inhibitors and non-inhibitors, and then TECENTRIQ based on new approvals. I'd also highlight, you can see down at the bottom of the slide, you can see the biosimilar impact. I think, again, Q1 was really living out what we've been planning for many years and talking about for many years, that we plan to have our new launches offset the impact of biosimilars. In fact, I think we've done that in a very strong way.

If we drill down a little bit into the therapy areas, starting with oncology, very pleased to see 7% growth in Q1 despite the biosimilar impacts, led by the HER2 franchise with 7% growth. This is really two main effects, which is the uptake of Perjeta in the adjuvant setting, but also Kadcyla, which is a newer phenomenon based on the KATHERINE data in patients who had failed in neoadjuvant therapy, the finding that patients who got Kadcyla did better than patients on Herceptin and standard care. We saw early uptake of that spontaneous growth ahead of the approval, which we expect in the U.S. shortly. Moving down to the other franchise, again, you can see strength with Avastin, which was partly due to newer indications like ovarian cancer, but also due to use of Avastin in combination with TECENTRIQ, primarily in lung cancer.

As you know, we have a number of other indications that we're pursuing with Avastin and TECENTRIQ. It's encouraging to see that. Then hematology, we'll talk about a little bit more shortly. Drilling down a little deeper in the HER2 franchise, you can see 36% growth in the U.S., which is very strong on Perjeta. In the EU, growing at 27%. Nice uptake of APHINITY. Again, this is just based on the data, which suggests that three or four patients out of 100 additional will be capable of having a cure with Perjeta. On Kadcyla, again, the early impacts of the KATHERINE data, primarily in the U.S., and we would look forward to seeing that impact of KATHERINE in the years ahead in other regions. In lung cancer, we're seeing the beginnings, I think, of a strengthening of the franchise.

Primarily, we see this with TECENTRIQ and Avastin in first-line lung cancer, where we have the ability to treat patients with liver mets. I think that's been one of the more typical uses of the IMpower150 result, where you have patients with significant liver mets, especially larger tumors, and the doctors are choosing Avastin and that combination for its ability to shrink the tumors and help the patients contend with their metastatic disease. Also the fact that we're labeled to cover patients who previously had ALK-positive patients or EGFR-positive patients who've had progression on one of those therapies. Some advantages there. Most recently, with the approval in extensive stage small cell lung cancer, another really important setting and one that we see growth in Q1, and we'll continue to see growth through the year.

This slide shows the impact in TECENTRIQ on small cell lung cancer and in second line, where we still see gains in Europe. Again, you can see a nice growth for TECENTRIQ, 135% year-over-year. We believe we'll see this momentum maintained through the year. It's quite a positive growth story for TECENTRIQ and the result of phase III studies that have read out. We have additional approvals anticipated in 2019 in Europe and a number of pivotal studies which will be reading out in the next three quarters. Good momentum for TECENTRIQ and hopefully a good sign of things to come. On Alecensa, primarily we're seeing the gains in first line. We're now at above 70% share in the U.S. and close to 70% in Japan. Now what we start to see is actually gains that accrued due to patients staying on therapy longer.

As we've sort of reached something probably close to the maximum share in new patients. Because patients live a long time without progression on Alecensa, we'll continue to accrue additional patients as new patients come in and the existing patients stay on longer. We continue to pursue the launches in other territories, including Europe. In immunology, we were led by Esbriet with 10% growth. It's, I'd say, hard-earned growth because this is a difficult market in terms of some of the patient characteristics and encouraging patients to stay on therapy. Our efforts have paid off, and this is an area we'll continue to invest. Also Actemra with strength despite competition of sort of similar MOA molecules, but we managed to grow an additional 6%.

Xolair also hanging in with a lot of competition in the asthma space, and there have been questions about how would we hold up, but I think the benefits of Xolair, both in asthma with the broad approvals, including pediatric, but also in other indications like chronic urticaria, have helped Xolair to maintain sales in the face of additional competition. In neuroscience, beginning with Ocrevus, it's a very strong story. Ocrevus has really the broadest possible label. Far, Ocrevus has shown strong data in both relapsing remitting disease, as well as active secondary progressive disease and primary progressive disease. It's the only therapy that has shown an effect in primary progressive and is labeled for that. Really, the remaining part of MS, which is the non-active secondary progressive.

These are patients who are no longer having relapses and no longer displaying MRI lesion activity. That's a very difficult to treat patient population. In the other 90%, we're having very strong uptake. We have 37% of new patients and switchers in the U.S., which, compared, if you look at the overall market share, Ocrevus is at 16%, and we're getting 37% of new and switch. Again, it portends well for continued growth. If you look at this slide, I think if you look from quarter to quarter, what we see is the underlying growth has been rather steady throughout the last five quarters. Perhaps Q4 was a bit soft, and what we see in Q1 is a return to the growth rate that we saw over the 2017 and 2018 period.

Again, very strong results on Ocrevus, and we see this continuing in the foreseeable future. Coming to hemophilia. We've talked a bit about the different patient populations that'll be eligible. I think what's most notable is we're beginning to get approvals in the non-inhibitor segment. We were approved in the second half of last year in the U.S. and have seen very strong adoption in the non-inhibitor patients. Then we were just approved in March in the EU in that category. We haven't actually seen the impact yet, but we look forward to that because the adoption, as I mentioned, has been really strong in the U.S. Patients are choosing the option to have a good control of their disease with a drug that can be dosed either once a week or once a month in a convenient subcutaneous form is very attractive.

Again, really strong results and we look forward to benefiting many, many more patients with hemophilia in the years ahead. In terms of the outlook, I think the slide on the right displays our momentum in terms of new product approvals. We're very pleased to see that we have now 27% of our total pharma sales are from these products that we've launched in the past seven or eight years. Again, I think if you look at the sales, not only is it 27%, but the momentum is actually increasing on these new products, and we have more where they came from. We look forward to the approvals of both polatuzumab and entrectinib in oncology this year, then filings for satralizumab and risdiplam this year for approvals next year. You can look forward to seeing some additional data in conferences ahead.

As Severin mentioned, some of these at the AAN, which will be in the second week of May in Philadelphia. I think most notably, risdiplam and SMA, satralizumab with the combination data with steroids and satra in neuromyelitis optica. The Huntington's data will highlight both how we came to choose the dose that we have in the pivotal study, but also more information from the pivotal study, the initial phase with the dosing and how we've made our decision around bi-monthly and three times a year dosing, which we're taking forward in phase III. On Ocrevus, there's some really interesting data coming out, both on the long-term follow-up, but especially, I would say, the PK/PD data and exposure response analysis from the phase III studies.

This answers some really important questions about how B-cell therapies should be dosed in MS, and I think really highlights the importance of a high dose to obtain the maximum possible B-cell depletion early on to drive efficacy, particularly efficacy on disability progression, which is sort of the ultimate goal in MS, is preventing declines over time. You can look forward to that, as well as strong safety updates. ASCO, another big year for Roche and Genentech at ASCO with VENCLEXTA, TECENTRIQ, Perjeta and Herceptin, and also some good data on TECENTRIQ, Avastin in combination and entrectinib. Just again, looking forward at some of the things that are coming. You can see a number of checkmarks on this slide. So it's actually been a really strong year for results and approvals, but we have some additional readouts coming.

I think probably the Venclexta-Gazyva is certainly one that we're looking forward to, the CLL 14 data in non-Hodgkin lymphoma. I think this is a really interesting one because it's a combination of two biologics, two biotech drugs in a chemo-free regimen in CLL and something that could be very useful for patients. With that, I'll turn it over to Michael Heuer for the diagnostics update.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

Thank you, Bill. Good morning. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm happy to present the diagnostics division sales. With sales of roughly CHF 2.9 billion, we had 1% growth driven by molecular diagnostics growing at 7% and diabetes care growing at 1%. One-time effects impacted our centralized and Tissue Diagnostics units, where we see a decline of 1%, which is unusual. Sales in centralized and point-of-care solutions were affected by distributors reducing inventories in China. A return to normal ordering patterns was observed at the end of Q1 already. Sales in Tissue Diagnostics were impacted by shipment delays of instruments in Q1, and we will resume shipments as available and expect to completely resolve the issue within the next few months. Diabetes care increased by 1%, mainly driven by 18% growth in North America due to recent management care contract wins and the good adoption of the Accu-Chek Guide and Accu-Chek Instant products.

For the full year, we expect a regular growth going forward. Looking at our regional sales growth, this is driven by EMEA with 3% and Latin America with 8%. Asia Pacific saw 0% growth, while North America and Japan had negative growth of 3% each. The E7 countries grew at 1%, mainly impacted by sales in China. The reason for the decline in Japan is due to customer ordering patterns. Sales in the U.S. were impacted by one-time supply chain effects in coagulation monitoring. This has been resolved, and we are back to normal. Looking at the growth drivers in our business areas, we see that centralized and point-of-care solutions continues to bring in the most revenue. Sales declined 1%, while the immunodiagnostics business grew 3%.

Clinical chemistry was down 2%, affected by reduced distributor inventory levels in China and one-time supply chain effects in coagulation monitoring in the U.S., as I referred before. Sales in molecular diagnostics increased 7%, making this unit the largest contributor to the division sales growth, driven by point-of-care molecular diagnostics with 18% growth, blood screening with 14%, and the cervical cancer portfolio with 52% growth. Tissue Diagnostic sales were down by 1%. Sales were impacted by one-time supply chain effects caused by BenchMark ULTRA and DISCOVERY ULTRA instrument shipments delayed during the first quarter, resulting in lower instrument placements in North America and the Asia Pacific regions. Diabetes care sales increased 1%, mainly driven by the new Accu-Chek Guide and Accu-Chek Instant blood glucose monitoring systems, which had a great pickup in the market.

Roche expanded the collaboration agreement with Senseonics for the distribution of the Eversense insertable continuous glucose monitoring sensor in 17 additional markets. On this slide, we see that with our strong commercial presence in broad test menus, Roche is continuously outgrowing the market. On the next slide, I would like to present now some highlights of the first quarter. The cobas vivoDx System reinforces Roche's tradition of innovation by offering a novel diagnostic technology to address the global threat of ever-evolving drug-resistant bacteria. We are currently in the process of engaging and organizing early access to key customers in Europe to work with the CE mark cobas vivoDx System. Roche will also feature the system at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases.

On the next slide, we see that the VENTANA PD-L1 (SP142) Assay is the first FDA companion diagnostics approval for use in first-line triple-negative breast cancer or TNBC. This assay has been used for patient enrollment in the IMpassion130 trial, where the first positive phase III immunotherapy study was shown for first-line TNBC. The test has been designed to enhance visual contrast of tumor-infiltrating immune cell staining within tumor microenvironment. On the next slide, you will see the cobas Infinity 3.0 launch. This is a proven global lab software solution for diagnostic laboratories to help them maintain high operational performance, quality, integration, and security within their labs across multiple locations.

One new feature further improves the intelligent routing of samples in high-volume testing labs by dynamically adapting the changing lab conditions, such as priority testing, to reduce time to results. New improved quality control features ensure that the highest quality results are reported consistently, while new monitoring features secure high performance and stability of analyzers and reagents 24/7 without additional cost. The addition of more work areas for different clinical laboratory disciplines such as molecular, hematology, and coagulation enable lab staff to focus on what matters most to them. Following on our digital transformation journey, we launched the NAVIFY Mutation Profiler as a software, as a medical device, aiding labs to overcome a major workflow challenge in clinical next generation sequencing, interpreting complex NGS data sets to identify clinically actionable findings and treatment options.

NAVIFY Mutation Profiler combined with NAVIFY Therapy Matcher, offers a curated knowledge base of genetic variants to help interpret the clinical significance of mutations and identify suitable therapies. This is another leap in personalized healthcare and in becoming a leader in digital diagnostics. With cobas vivoDx, cobas infinity central lab, and Infinity and NAVIFY Mutation Profiler and NAVIFY Therapy Matcher, we have achieved important launches in Q1 2019. More to come as we move forward. With this, I hand over to Alan for the financials.

Alan Hippe
CFO, Roche

Thanks, Michael. Let's go directly to 42. Hello to everybody out there. Thanks for participating. I think, well, starting with sales, I think my colleagues did a great deal in leading you through this. We have great momentum as you have seen, and it has certainly encouraged us to bring the guidance up. On the M&A side, when you look at Spark, nothing unusual here. Closing is expected in the first half of 2019. It's going to be an all-cash transaction that will be financed by the available funds and our commercial paper program. Let me also mention that the transaction is not expected to have an impact on the financial guidance for 2019. With that, I come to the currencies and I better do that on slide 43.

When you look at 43, you see the sales growth approach grew in order of magnitude, so what has contributed where. On the right-hand side, you see that sales have grown by more than CHF 1 billion in Q1 2019 compared to Q1 2018. In constant rates with 8% and in CHF with 9%, the difference is CHF 149 million. I will dig into this on the next slide. On the left-hand side, let me mention here you see the growth in the respective business areas. Bill alluded to that when he talked about pharma and especially pharma in Europe. There you see that we have a decline of -CHF 125. Last year, we had a decline of -CHF 166. You see really here a good momentum moving forward.

With that, let's go to slide 44. This is the bridge for the development of group growth first quarter in constant rates on the left-hand side of 8%. In CHF on the right-hand side with 9.2% to be very precise. As you see, the currency impacts that we have seen in the first quarter, on one hand, the USD, which has strengthened, gave us a positive with +2.7 percentage points in growth. Then you see against that negatively the EUR with -0.5 percentage points and LATAM with -0.7 percentage points driven by Argentina and Brazil. With that, let's go to slide 45. Here, this is what we basically expect from the currency impact for the year to go. You know this, a rather simple model.

What we're doing here is that we are assuming that the March 31st exchange rates remain stable until year-end 2019. Let me mention here it's early days, and these things will change for sure. But nevertheless, I think gives you good guidance how much the impact will be when everything remains stable. What you're seeing is basically for the rest of the year, so for half year, September year to date and full year, we don't expect a lot. Everything remains stable. As said, it's very hypothetical. You look really at the left-hand side, I think you see really that the positive impact of the U.S. dollar is diminishing a little bit in our model if you take that assumption into account that I've described before. On the euro, the negative impact remains stable if you apply the assumption that I've mentioned.

With that, let's once again do the guidance. Very happy to bring the guidance up. Group sales growth now assumed to be with a mid-single-digit growth compared to a low to mid-single-digit growth that we expected before. Core EPS growth with that goes also up and broadly in line with sales growth as it is connected to sales. The dividend outlook, as Severin mentioned, further increased dividend in Swiss francs. With that, we are very happy to take your questions. Thanks.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use only hands to asking a question. Webcast viewers may submit their questions in writing by the relative field. The first question comes from the line of Richard Parkes, Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Richard Parkes
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. It's Richard Parkes from Deutsche Bank. I've got three if that's okay. Firstly, on Avastin, Herceptin, Rituxan. You had good performance of Avastin and Herceptin in international markets in particular. I'm just wondering if you could talk about the price difference for those Big three drugs in international markets, particularly in China, where you've had an NRDL inclusions versus Western markets. I'm wondering how we should think about that segment of those sales being protected from biosimilar pressures, given maybe less room for price leverage in that segment. The second question, I wondered if you could talk about a little bit more what we can expect at AAN from the Huntington's program in terms of longer-term clinical follow-up.

I'm wondering when you might be able to make a decision as to whether that data could be fileable or whether we'll have to wait till the phase III. Third question, I just wondered if you could give us your thoughts on potential longer-term competition for the HER2 franchise. We've seen some significant business development in that area, and I wondered whether you've got any plans to develop your own next generation products to improve Perjeta and Kadcyla. Thank you very much.

Speaker 17

Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Good. Yeah, thanks for the questions. On the first one, which I think you're sort of getting at is, are the prices in places like China on Avastin, Herceptin, and MabThera low enough that that provides a protection from future biosimilar competition? I guess what I would say on that is, while we have substantially discounted those products in order to gain broad coverage in emerging markets, including China, I wouldn't want to provide a reassurance that the prices are so low that there won't be a space for biosimilars. I think there still is room for biosimilars there. I think probably our source of competitive advantage in a place like China will be that we do have an attractive price, and we have a trusted product.

I think that there'll be relatively little biosimilar activity or competition against those products, maybe one competitor each in the next few years. I think on that basis, we feel like we can continue to compete and grow in China. The second one about the Huntington's data and when we'll be able to decide whether we can file with what we have versus waiting for phase III. I think we've already pretty much commented on it, that we had some initial promising discussions with regulatory authorities. It's obviously a disease of extraordinarily high unmet need. There's really no therapy available. I don't think I really have anything to add. We will be taking the data as it emerges from the several studies we're running and sharing them with regulators.

I think it's too early to really give a more specific timeline, but we are hopeful that there'll be a sort of a faster market option available. I say hopeful because the patients are definitely needing it. The last question about long-term competition in the HER2 space. I think as we've been very involved in the HER2 area for many years and have run studies in different segments, including HER2 low, including everything from neoadjuvant to adjuvant, first, second, third line, and with combinations and without combinations, I think it would be worth noting that you'll sort of know it when you see it. I think that there's a lot of mileage ahead for any product that's coming into that space in terms of safety questions, combinability questions, efficacy questions in the different settings. I think we're not overly alarmed.

We've got a strong portfolio still emerging from research and early development in HER2 space, and we think we'll be a leader there for many years to come.

Richard Parkes
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 17

I have a question here via the telephone line. Michael, this is going to you too. It's from Michael Leuchten from UBS.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

Yes.

Speaker 17

He asks if the inventory reduction in China, you believe, is a question for China itself or is it more a Roche-specific question? This was the first question he had.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

Thanks for the question. In China, I cannot comment whether this is a general Chinese situation. We see this specifically with our distributors. They trigger these changes by efficiency improvements they wanted to achieve in their supply chain. Meanwhile, since March, we see already very positive signs in the distributor inventory indicating that the market growth remains very strong as it has been shown also during the whole quarter from the in-market sales perspective that we see with our products. A return to normal ordering patterns was observed, and we believe this return will continue in Q2 and as we go forward.

Speaker 17

Michael Leuchten has a second question on HEMLIBRA. He asks about the overall safety-efficacy profile going forward and how you see the value proposition for HEMLIBRA in view of the fact that it's new drug, new introduction, questions on safety-efficacy balances now and going forward.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

I think we always have our viewpoint on this, but what's more important is what do the key opinion leaders think? What are the patient advocates? In the case of hemophilia, patients are very involved in these decisions. And I think we're very pleased with the response we see from both groups, that we have a very nice safety profile that's holding up very well. We continue to update the safety profile with findings as they come. We're committed to that. We post updates every quarter in terms of observations, things like deaths or adverse events. In the latest update, for example, we did list three additional deaths in our safety database. Obviously, very unfortunate. Well, anytime there's a death, it's obviously a great loss. In these cases, though, once again, there was no causation or these deaths were not attributed to HEMLIBRA treatment.

I think the safety profile is holding up very well. We move forward with confidence.

Speaker 17

Thank you. Next question.

Operator

Next question from the phone is from Tim Anderson. Please go ahead.

Tim Anderson
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein

Thank you. A couple of questions. First one is on adjuvant data with TECENTRIQ, and specifically what we may see in 2019. On our radar had been triple-negative breast and bladder. On triple negative, your slide 30 shows that you had an interim analysis that has subsequently passed. I'm guessing that suggests we won't see any data at 2019. If no data in 2019, when might we see data? Is bladder still potentially on track to read out in 2019? Second question goes back to Huntington's. If you can just describe in a little more detail whether you have any data at this point showing that lowering the mutant protein with your product is translating specifically into a clinical benefit, not just biomarker engagement. Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Great. Thanks, Tim Anderson. Let's see. Maybe coming to the second question first. I think that we won't have strong confidence in the clinical effect of reducing the Huntington's protein until we have a large controlled study. I don't think there's anything new to say about that. I think what we do know is this is a disease that's caused by the accumulated effect of mutant Huntington's protein, and we have an agent that lowers the levels of Huntington's protein. We, and I think the scientific experts in the field and the regulatory agents, are hopeful that we'll have an important benefit there, but we're going to have to wait on the data to know for sure. In terms of the question you had about neoadjuvant and adjuvant data with TECENTRIQ, in TNBC, we did pass an interim analysis.

We don't think we'll have the final analysis, though, in neoadjuvant until the second half of 2020. In terms of adjuvant, we are hopeful to have adjuvant data in high-risk patients with metastatic bladder cancer yet in Q4 of this year, I think I'll have to follow up and see if there's anything more I can say about adjuvant. I think you may be aware of the list of studies we have, but I don't have any updates on the readout timelines on this.

Tim Anderson
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Steve Scala, Cowen and Co. Please go ahead.

Steve Scala
Analyst, Cowen and Co

Thank you. I have three questions. First, Roche has warned several times now that treatment breaks and presumably softer sales between Ocrevus cycles is expected, but it doesn't seem to happen. Are new patient starts and launches overwhelming treatment breaks, or are treatment breaks not occurring to the extent you expected? That's the first question. Second, concerning the Venclexta BELLINI trial, what have you learned post the recent stoppage of enrollment, and is the study still on track for completion in September of this year? Lastly, I apologize, another Huntington's program question. You mentioned the dosing data at AAN, but just to clarify, might we also see efficacy data in small numbers of patients at the meeting, or is there no chance of that? Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Right. Maybe going in reverse order. Yeah, you shouldn't expect to see efficacy data in Huntington's disease at AAN. That's coming later. In terms of the question about Venclexta and BELLINI, the study of Venclexta and chemo in multiple myeloma. We announced earlier that the results we stopped the BELLINI study and the FDA placed a partial clinical hold on the Venclexta studies in multiple myeloma based on safety findings, which was basically an imbalance of deaths in the Venclexta arm versus the control arm. We're still investigating sort of the cause of this, but I think we did see some encouraging signs in the BELLINI study in terms of based on biomarkers, we're taking the finding of the imbalance of deaths very seriously in terms of what it means in multiple myeloma.

We're not counting ourselves out of multiple myeloma with Venclexta yet because we do see some promising indications in the biomarker subsets. Let's see, your first question is about treatment breaks with Ocrevus. I have to say, this is something we've been watching closely, and we see the treatment intervals actually quite tight. It's very close to the label recommendation, which is twice a year. It's not a question of new patient starts overwhelming the effect of treatment breaks or offsetting it, but we're not really seeing that as a phenomenon right now. The recommended dosing is being followed very closely by the physicians and patients.

Speaker 17

There's a question from Marietta Miemis from Primavenue. She was asking about the margin outlook specifically in diagnostics. We usually do not comment on margins for the subdivisions, but Michael, if you still want to do or Severin, any comments on that?

Severin Schwan
CEO, Roche

I'd just like to iterate our group guidance, which is to increase earnings broadly in line with sales. I just want to point out with the increase of the sales guidance indirectly, of course, this is also an increase of our earnings guidance. We wouldn't go into detailed margin discussions on a divisional level.

Speaker 17

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Next question from the phone is from Matthew Weston, Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Matthew Weston
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you very much. Three questions if I can, please. The first, coming back to international growth and really asking around the sustainability in pharma of the very strong growth rates we're seeing at the moment. Bill, do you envisage that we're essentially seeing a bolus of China growth being driven by the listings of the products that will moderate as we get towards 4Q? Do you believe that this double-digit growth rate is more sustainable? Secondly, can we have a quick update on expectations for U.S. biosimilar entrants with respect to Rituxan and Herceptin and Avastin over the course of the next couple of months? Have we had any changes in terms of your view of settlements and the risk of at-risk launches? One final question, Bill.

I was intrigued with your commentary around data at Ocrevus at AAN with respect to the response being linked to the depth of B-cell depletion. Am I reading it right that essentially you're contrasting high dose, deep B-cell depletion with potentially more mild continuous B-cell depletion we could see from a competitor with monthly dosing, and you believe you'll show data to say that that depth of depletion is necessary to get maximum efficacy?

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Thanks for the questions, Matthew. Let's see. The first one you asked about sales in China, is it sustainable? I think what we are seeing is truly extraordinary, and it's actually very encouraging to see literally hundreds of million larger population having the possibility of treatment with drugs like Herceptin, MabThera, Avastin. There certainly is a new uptake effect that is occurring right now that can't be sustained forever. We do believe that we'll have sustained growth in China through 2019, 2020, and beyond. It's a good harbinger of things to come. To think we would continue to see it at the rates we've been seeing it for the last 2 quarters, that might be a little more than we could hope for.

I think, again, continued strong market for those drugs in China as well as we're seeing strong uptake of drugs like Perjeta. We're encouraged with the launch of Alecensa in China as well. I think the development in China is really positive, both in terms of broadening access, also the fact that the Chinese regulators are being much faster to approve new drugs, and we're able to launch them. I think we're quite optimistic about our future in China. In the U.S., there's not a lot more to say than what we've said already about biosimilar entrants. We do expect to see biosimilar competition for Rituxan and for Herceptin in the second half. With Avastin, potential biosimilar competition would probably be not until Q4 at the earliest. Let's see, your last question, about the Ocrevus data.

I think you'll have to form your own conclusions, I think we chose to go with the IV dose knowing that from a pure convenience standpoint, subcutaneous is generally better than IV. Also knowing the nature of the anti-CD20 therapy and the history with Rituxan, with Gazyva, with Rituxan in immunology, with Rituxan in oncology, that this really is an area where you benefit from getting a deep dose and a deep suppression of the B cells that are implicated. We also know that these B cells lurk not only in the periphery, they're lurking in the bone marrow. They're in the CNS in the case of MS.

We did a lot of thinking and studying, this goes back even 10, 12 years ago, about the best way to dose these drugs, and we concluded that IV was the way to go, and that a less frequent dosing was all that was required with IV. We went with that, and I think the new data that we're seeing coming out of the reanalysis of the phase III data is really sort of adding to that. In addition, some of the leading researchers in MS have been looking at this question of what does it take to really stop progression? As you probably know, the field has done much better, for example, at suppressing MRI activity. We're really good at stopping lesions, but not as good at stopping progression.

There's been this emerging hypothesis that what's going on is that there is a residual sort of autoimmune activity that's taking place at a level that doesn't show up in the MRI, it doesn't show up as discrete lesions, but it's sort of a smoldering activity. The way to get at that is a more profound suppression of the offending immune cells. The analysis, I think will show at AAN is strongly supporting that. I look forward to more discussions on that as we present the data.

Matthew Weston
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Richard Vosser, J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Richard Vosser
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. A couple, please. Firstly, just thinking about U.S. price reforms. Perhaps you could update us on how you're seeing these reforms develop. How receptive has the administration been to your proposals around Part B reform? Maybe some comments on how likely you now see international reference pricing or maybe, over the last few days, Medicare for All being adopted. Second question, just going back to HEMLIBRA and the uptake. Perhaps you could give us a bit more color on the uptake in non-inhibitors. What share of patients do you think you have at this point, in specialist centers relative to maybe more community hospitals, and what the feedback has been there, and maybe a split of revenue between non-inhibitors and inhibitors, if possible? Finally, actually one final question, just thinking about TECENTRIQ.

The label update for small cell lung cancer and triple-negative breast cancer didn't mention anything about antibody levels. Has this now been put to bed with data that you've submitted to the FDA? I think it was due to be there in Q1? Is that now off the table as a concern? Thanks very much.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

That's a long list. Let's see. I guess the first one, we could spend all afternoon talking about the healthcare reform and pricing pressures in the U.S. Let's not do that because I don't think we would add much value to the discussion. I think we continue to have good discussions with other stakeholders, including other pharma companies, providers, payers, other entities and the administration about some of our proposals for reforming pricing and introducing market-based competition in Part D. I think it is true that there's a lot of competing proposals in Washington coming from very different sources, and the range is quite extreme, including things like this sort of so-called Medicare for All.

In terms of international reference pricing, I think this is something where we and the rest of the industry, but a lot of other folks that are knowledgeable in healthcare think is a really bad idea. We think the price controls that exist in countries like the U.K. is not good for innovation. It doesn't support innovation, and at a time where the biomedical research and development enterprise has never made more gains than today, to introduce things that would severely limit innovation, it just seems like really a horrible idea for humankind. We'll continue to oppose those things. Meanwhile, we press ahead, and we try to offer concrete proposals, and we try to make sure that our behavior is consistent with our values, and I think we've done that, in terms of pricing and everything else.

In terms of HEMLIBRA, questions about non-inhibitors and market share. I think in the U.S., we may be approaching 10% market share in non-inhibitors, and this is based on approval in, what was it? September or October of last year. I think it was a very quick uptake. People were wondering, and we were wondering, what would the rate of uptake be for patients that are, I would say in quotes, kind of well-controlled because they don't have inhibitors. I think what we're finding is that the ability to give up the frequent IV infusions for those patients who are on prophylaxis or the ability to have control and to have more freedom in life, freedom from bleeds and from having to avoid activities, for those patients who are on demand and not on prophylaxis is proving quite compelling. We just have a really strong package.

With the option of once-a-month dosing, a very reasonable price. It's proved very popular. We have broad coverage from a payer standpoint, and now we have the approval in Europe just in March. We're looking forward to hopefully similar types of trends. You asked about the specialist versus community. There are some specialists who've gone very rapidly to converting patients over to HEMLIBRA, but we see also quite healthy adoption in the community. Then you asked about share of revenues that was non-inhibitors versus inhibitors. I think what you can think of is our sales in Q3 was virtually entirely inhibitor patients, and then almost all of the change in sales since Q3 is in non-inhibitor patients. That's a pretty good way to think about it. We had highly penetrated the inhibitor population by the end of Q3. Think of that as a baseline.

Finally, you asked about anti-drug antibodies with TECENTRIQ. We're still analyzing this. We have numerous phase III trials and phase II studies, and we have large data sets on this. Far, we're not finding anything that's very concerning about it. We take it very seriously, and we'll continue to study this matter and provide updates to regulatory authorities on it. I think that's an ongoing discussion we're having with the FDA and other regulatory bodies. We feel like we're sort of on top of it, and we'll continue to evaluate it.

Richard Vosser
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Simon Baker, Redburn. Please go ahead.

Simon Baker
Analyst, Redburn

Yes, thank you for taking my questions. A couple, if I may please. Firstly, on European Rituxan and Herceptin sales, we saw relative certainly to market expectations, a better performance for Rituxan, a weaker performance for Herceptin. I was wondering if we could read anything into that with regard to the trajectory of biosimilar penetration. Is it a case of relative to what we expected and perhaps what you expected, that initial erosion is quicker and then starts to abate over time? Any color you could offer there would be helpful. Secondly, moving on to diagnostics, I wonder if you could give us any quantification of the impact of the distributor inventory level changes in China. I know you said that it has now resolved itself, but I just wonder if you could quantify the impact in Q1. Thanks so much.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Okay. On the rate of uptake of biosimilars in Europe, in MabThera and Herceptin, I would say the pattern is very similar for the two drugs. The reason, I think you cited sort of better performance on MabThera this year, I think that's really because there's not so much left to lose. Yeah, we had a steep loss in 2018 on MabThera, this year there's just, yeah, there's not as much to lose. With Herceptin, it's a similar pattern, but maybe six or nine months later.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

On the diagnostic side, I cannot give you the detailed numbers, but I can only refer to a significant impact of the efficiency improvements in the distributors' inventory levels. We compare that always with the in-market sales, and there we see a major discrepancy between what is going out to the market, what was in the inventories of the distributors. We see also the pickup now of the sales and purchases from the distributors to Roche since March. This was an individual topic, a single event in the months of January and February, and we are above that, and we see a positive development now going forward.

Simon Baker
Analyst, Redburn

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Luisa Hector from Exane. Please go ahead.

Luisa Hector
Analyst, Exane

Oh, hello. Good afternoon. I have a few more questions on international sales, please. I noticed that Rituxan was a bit weak, I just wondered if there was anything specific behind that in the international region. I'm sorry if I missed it, but did you actually give the China pharma growth in the quarter, please? Were there any, in pharma now, was there anything in terms of stocking or tenders that you would mention for the quarter? A second question on HEMLIBRA, just looking at that European label, so good to see the approval, but as you flagged it the full year results, the label is restricted to severe patients for the non-inhibitor group. I just wondered what would be required to then expand the label. Do you need another study, or can you use real world data, for example? Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Okay. Let's see. The first question was about MabThera and international. I don't think there's any particular trend there other than there are some non-comparable biologics and biosimilar competition in the international region to both MabThera and Herceptin. In the case of Herceptin, we had stronger new uptake in China that was offsetting the biosimilars and non-comparable biologics. I think that's just probably the difference between Herceptin and MabThera. You asked about China growth.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

Take it.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

We do provide that on the IR webpage. If you want to look at the details on that, you can find it in.

Michael Heuer
CEO, Roche Diagnostics, Roche

Just check it.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Yeah, you can just check it there. On HEMLIBRA, you asked about the effect of being limited to severe patients in Europe. I think the slide we showed in my presentation gave the segmentation, the patient segmentation. The bottom line is, depending on the country and which study you look at, severe patients are between 50%, 60%, up to 70% of the patients. In terms of use of factor VIII or use of the bypassing agents in the case of inhibitor patients, it's a much higher proportion, so of 85% or 90% of the market. We don't believe that the limitation of the European label to severe will have a significant effect on the ultimate potential of HEMLIBRA in Europe. Yeah. I'm looking at our webpage for the China sales growth in the quarter. It was up 63%.

Yeah, a very strong result, I think, by any account.

Luisa Hector
Analyst, Exane

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Peter Welford from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Peter Welford
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Yeah, a couple of follow-up questions, please, if you don't mind. Ocrevus, first of all, just with regards to the PPMS and RMS split, I wonder if you're willing to give any sort of detail on that, and also any sort of rough percentage of those patients who are coming back, the new starts for the second infusion. Is there any sort of data you have on the, I guess, discontinuation rate prior to a second infusion? Secondly, just on Herceptin Hylecta in the U.S. I appreciate it's still early days, but any sort of feedback you have on the adoption of that in the U.S. since approval, particularly, I guess, if you can draw any comparisons to how you saw it adopted in some of the key European markets when you also got that approval.

Just finally, I'm sorry, going back to Huntington's again, but just curious, given the change of the protocol and obviously the stop to the GENERATION HD1 trial while you did that protocol change to change the dosing to Q3M, I'm just wondering whether or not that change in dosing schedule has any impact on the regulatory discussions. I guess what I'm wondering is, do you have to get some sort of data on the effect of the Q3M dosing before you're able to go back to regulators, given obviously that's a pretty lengthy dose interval for many patients. Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Okay. Let's see. Let me try to answer those. If I miss one of your questions, please go back, because I was taking notes, and I'm not sure I got them all. You asked about Ocrevus and the retreatment rates, and we're not providing specific numbers on that, but the retreatment has been very strong. The vast majority of patients are getting the second dose and third dose, frankly, higher than we had anticipated before the launch. We continue to follow that very closely, but I would say by any precedence of other chronic therapies that I've been around, it's very strong. I think it's basically that combination of very strong efficacy, the fact that they only have to get dosed twice a year, and that the side effect profile is quite good. Again, very encouraged by what we see there.

You asked about the Herceptin subQ launch in the U.S. I think we've commented before that subcutaneous dosing, while it's a nice convenience advantage for patients, in the U.S. healthcare system, physicians are very comfortable with IV dosing. That's very much their system and their setup. The amount of uptake of subQ is quite small, both for Rituxan and now with Herceptin subcutaneous, we've only just recently received the approval, but we don't anticipate it will be a major part of the market, but we think it's a good option for patients to have. You asked about the dosing change in the pivotal studies for the antisense therapy for Huntington's. We don't think that we were following a monthly and a bimonthly approach. The early data that we were looking at suggested that there wasn't an incremental benefit for monthly over bimonthly.

We decided to drop that arm. Because we had the option to explore two arms, we decided to look at a less frequent dosing basis. I think you said three monthly, but it's actually every four months. There's some patients being dosed every two months and others every four months. We don't anticipate that to have an effect on our discussions regarding faster market approaches for Yeah, with the regulatory authorities. Did I answer your questions?

Peter Welford
Analyst, Jefferies

That's great. Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Naresh Chouhan, Intron Health. Please go ahead.

Naresh Chouhan
Analyst, Intron Health

Hi there. Thanks for taking my questions. Just wanted to ask, in the U.S., was there any material price rise on Avastin? Then with TECENTRIQ in the second line, it would seem based on some of the conversations we had with KOLs that in the second-line setting, TECENTRIQ has become standard of care approach to KEYTRUDA use in Europe at least. Are you seeing that, and can you help us understand what the penetration rates in the second line and also in the first line are in the U.S. and Europe? Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Yeah. We'll see on Avastin. Okay, we haven't had any price increases in the U.S. since last July, and I think any price increase we had on Avastin was rather modest in 2018. I think we're mostly seeing a volume effect on Avastin. The price effect would be very minimal. As I think I mentioned, we mostly see that on new indications like ovarian cancer as well as the use of Avastin in combination with TECENTRIQ. In terms of second-line use of TECENTRIQ, I guess you said first and second-line in lung cancer in the U.S.

Again, the place where we're hearing from physicians that they're liking to use TECENTRIQ is either patients that have been previously received an EGFR inhibitor or an ALK inhibitor, or patients with large metastases, large tumor volumes, where they're keen to debulk the tumors, and they know the effect of Avastin. Then the IMpower150 regimen with TECENTRIQ plus Avastin plus chemo had a very high response rate and strong anti-tumor effect. So that's where we're seeing most of the use there in first line. In second line, it's tough competition between TECENTRIQ, KEYTRUDA, and Opdivo. All three products had good data in second line in there. I think it's more of a kind of tough battle. Because we were third to market, in lung cancer, that's a harder area. In terms of in the EU, we've done rather stronger in second line.

In first line, it's too early to say because we've just been approved with the IMpower150 regimen in Europe and haven't yet had approval in the small cell lung cancer, we look forward to that later this year.

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Next question.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Sachin Jain, Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Sachin Jain
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, Sachin Jain from Bank of America. Thank you for taking my questions. Just two product questions. Firstly, on the Spark acquisition and SPK-8011, their product for hemophilia. I wonder if you could just comment on the competitive profile versus a BioMarin gene therapy and your level of comfort that you've acquired a potentially best-in-class asset or any other factors behind that acquisition. Secondly, just apologies going back to Huntington's. Just to follow up on two comments. Firstly, on efficacy functional outcomes correlation to protein. I believe you had a post hoc analysis at AAN last year correlating protein reduction to functional outcomes. I just wanted to clarify your prior comment, Bill. Do you not put a lot of credence in that post hoc analysis, or is data internally potentially changing?

On the filing strategy, your partner's been fairly vocal that you have an agreement to use the phase I open label extension in comparison to the natural history study. I just wanted to check whether that was correct. If it is, are you essentially just waiting for the data to discuss with the regulators, or are there any other factors still pending in that discussion? Thank you.

Severin Schwan
CEO, Roche

This is Severin. Perhaps I'll just comment on hemophilia and the Spark acquisition. We expect data still this year, competitive data, which will further inform us. Spark is at an earlier stage in terms of the development. It's simply a question of time to await for the clinical data to see how the different opportunities for patients will eventually play out. From all of what we have seen, we think that Spark has a good chance to be well-positioned in this market. Bill, over to you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Yeah. Thanks, Sachin. On Huntington's, I appreciate you asking, but there's really no news there. You asked whether there's some change in the internal data and this is changing our view. There's no change in the outlook. I think my answer was, because you were mentioning the post hoc analysis and the correlation, and that's all good, and nothing's changed on that. I think what I was answering earlier is, when will we know what the clinical impact is? I guess I would say the word know is a high bar, and we'll know it when we have randomized controlled data. We're optimistic with what we have, and again, because of the high unmet need in Huntington's, both we, the Huntington's community, and the regulators are looking at innovative ways to make a product available. There's really no news on it.

We're going to get the data from the studies we're running. We will continue to share it as it emerges with the regulatory agencies, and we will all be working on the most expeditious possible way to make the products available to patients. In the meantime, I don't think there's anything else to say, and we'll be waiting on those results.

Sachin Jain
Analyst, Bank of America

Is there any comment you can make to your partner's commentary re your filing strategy?

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

I don't think there's anything else to say.

Sachin Jain
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Yep.

Operator

The last question is from Graham Doyle from Liberum. Please go ahead.

Graham Doyle
Analyst, Liberum

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two, please. One on HEMLIBRA. Assuming Spark's gene therapy does indeed work, what type of patient population do you envision staying on HEMLIBRA? Then just a second one on Ocrevus. Considering the sort of potential competition in a subcut form, obviously this has been discussed a little bit earlier, do you think you'll be able to replicate the data you have shown and the efficacy you've shown with the intravenous form of Ocrevus in a subcut version? Does it leave that option open longer term? Thank you.

Severin Schwan
CEO, Roche

Right. On hemophilia and how HEMLIBRA positioned against the potential gene therapy. Again, it will very much depend on the data. We still have to wait for the data and analyze how response rates are, how safety profiles show up, et cetera, for the various patient groups. We could well see a situation where we have a complementary positioning that is still used for factor VIII, for example, in very mild patients. There will definitely continue to be a market for HEMLIBRA. Then depending on the data for gene therapies, they are a potential option for a number of patients as well. It might also be that over time, you need a combination. We don't have long-term data yet by the very nature of where the development of these new modalities stand.

It will also depend a lot on how the effect from gene therapies plays out in the long term. You could potentially even see for those patients who go on gene therapies, a combination with a medicine like HEMLIBRA over time. Really bottom line is that we have to wait for the data to be more granular of how the market will segment in the future.

Bill Anderson
CEO, Roche Pharmaceuticals, Roche

Great. Regarding Ocrevus, you mentioned subcutaneous. I think probably the most important factor is that the IV formulation is well-tolerated. It happens every 6 months, and patients are typically going in to see their physician about every 6 months. I think what we're finding is that the combination of the current Ocrevus profile of the dosing profile, the safety profile, the tolerability in terms of sort of nuisance side effects and things that are seen with other MS therapies, then just really the compelling efficacy, which is ultimately the name of the game, it makes Ocrevus a very attractive option.

I think if we were considering what are the benefits of a different dosing regimen, we have to consider also that we have 37% of basically switches and new starts in a market with, I think we've lost count, but it's either 14 or 15 products. We're by far the number 1 used product. I think that kind of puts it in context. Obviously, we keep our options open in terms of alternative dosing approaches, but I don't think I would say any more at this point.

Graham Doyle
Analyst, Liberum

That's great. Thank you.

Severin Schwan
CEO, Roche

Thank you very much for attending our briefing today. Thank you for your interest, and have a good day.

Operator

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