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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Oct 27, 2020

Jennifer Gough
Director of Investor Relations, SIG Group

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. The call is hosted by Rolf Stangl, CEO, and Samuel Sigrist, CFO. The slides for the call are available for download on our investor website. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements involving risks and uncertainties that may cause results to differ materially from those statements. A full cautionary statement and disclaimer can be found on slide two, which participants are encouraged to read carefully. And with that, let me now hand you over to Rolf to begin the presentation.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you very much, Jennifer. I hope everybody on the call is well, and thank you for taking the time to joining us today. I'm pleased to report on another quarter of growth despite the unusual environment in which we continue to find ourselves. Core revenue grew by 4.5% at constant currency. As predicted, this represents a slowing of growth compared with the first half, but it's still a solid performance. In reported terms, sales were slightly lower due to the continuing strength of the euro against most major currencies. The strong top-line performance, in combination with lower raw material costs and efficiency improvements, has led to a substantial increase in the adjusted EBITDA margin versus the same quarter a year ago. Adjusted net income increased to EUR 77.4 million, and free cash flow was significantly higher than a year ago.

Core revenue growth in the third quarter was driven by EMEA and the Americas. Europe ended the first half with high stocks across the supply chain, and these were, as expected, partially depleted during the months of July and August, which had an impact on customer demand for our products. However, in September, there was an uptick in demand, as with production continuing at a relatively high level, customers moved to replenish stocks. In APAC, we experienced a softer quarter as customers depleted inventories. We did see signs of improvement in China towards the end of the quarter. In Southeast Asia, on the other hand, the situation remains challenging, with ongoing pandemic-related restrictions in some countries. Our broad geographic spread is, however, enabling us to compensate for the temporary weakness of these markets. Our star performer in Q3, and indeed year-to-date, is the Americas.

We talked earlier in the year about the deployment and ramping up of new filler installations in Brazil. The contribution of these fillers has exceeded our expectations, and I shall come back to this in a moment. In addition to operating leverage, the increase in adjusted EBITDA margin reflects lower raw material costs and the measures we have taken to contain costs in the current environment. This has enabled us to more than offset the continuing currency headwind and margin dilution from the acquisition of Visy Cartons last year. Significant free cash flow in the quarter reflects the robust operating performance and is not a consequence of cutbacks in capital expenditure, as Samuel will show you later in the presentation.

This allowed us to further delever compared with a year ago, despite the investments into our new plant in China, which we plan to open in Q1 2021, as originally scheduled. This is how the picture looks for the first nine months of the year. Core revenue at constant exchange rates was up by 7.2%. As a result of the margin improvement in the third quarter, the adjusted EBITDA margin was slightly above the level for the same period last year. Excluding the negative impact from currency, the adjusted EBITDA margin for the first nine months was 28.2%, despite the margin dilution from Visy. This demonstrates the underlying resilience of margins in our business. Adjusted net income is ahead of last year, as is free cash flow, which is a strong performance in the light of the significant plant investment in APAC and given the circumstances of the year.

While we do expect a much more subdued fourth quarter, we are very pleased with the way our business has operated efficiently and without interruption, and I would like to sincerely thank all of our employees for their ongoing efforts in this taxing environment. I would like to now show you in a bit more detail how each of our regions has performed in the course of the year. Europe had a solid first quarter with particularly strong sales in March as lockdowns were imposed and consumers stocked up on shelf-stable goods. In the second quarter, growth reached levels unprecedented in recent times, reflecting higher at-home consumption at the peak of the lockdowns. In addition, there was stock-building at both the customer and retailer levels during the quarter to preempt further shortages. Following the drawdown of these stocks in July and August, customer purchases accelerated in September.

We believe this was partly due to retailers restocking in anticipation of a possible second wave of lockdowns. Leaving COVID-19 effects aside, I can also report on the positive development of our European business with the ramp-up of new fillers at customers such as COVAP in Spain. As already mentioned, the situation in Asia-Pacific differs between the north and the south. In China, our sales held up well during the height of the COVID-19 crisis as customers built up safety stocks. While it has taken some time for consumption to resume to a more normal pattern following the lifting of the lockdowns, we have seen signs of improvement in the third quarter.

In the rest of Asia, however, lockdowns were still in full force in the second quarter, and restrictions continue today in some countries, such as Indonesia. With travel and tourism curtailed, also, for example, in Thailand, on-the-go consumption continued to be significantly affected in the third quarter. Schools remain closed in some areas, which has affected school milk programs. In addition, high stock levels at the end of the first half weighed on our sales to customers in the third quarter. Stock levels have now been partly depleted, and while we are not expecting a significant rebound in sales in the fourth quarter, the medium and long-term fundamentals for this sub-region remain firmly intact. The Visy business, which we said would add around two percentage points to the full year Group growth rate, has not been noticeably affected by COVID-19.

The Americas has shown remarkable resilience given the serious COVID-19 situation in our three main markets, Brazil, Mexico, and the U.S. Contributing to this is high at-home consumption of milk in Latin America, where a significant portion of our business is in mid and large packs. Sales of tomato products and sauces in Mexico have also benefited. In Brazil, consumption of basic dairy product has been stimulated by higher welfare payments, although these are now being reduced again. The very high growth rates registered in the first and third quarters also reflect other specific factors. The first quarter of 2020 is measured against a relatively weak first quarter in 2019, when sales in the U.S. were constrained by late deliveries due to a strike at our factory in Germany.

In the second quarter, growth returned to a more normal level, with some COVID-19 effects visible in the U.S., especially in the foodservice segment. In the third quarter, we have seen another big upturn. In addition to the positive consumption trends in Brazil and Mexico, this is due to the success of our recent filler placements in Brazil, as shown on the next slide. Last year, we signed agreements with two large dairy companies in Brazil, Shefa, and Líder Alimentos, for a total of nine fillers. The first filling line was deployed in the first quarter of this year, with the remainder following in ensuing months. Five of the filling lines installed were not new, but were taken from our supply of fillers previously withdrawn from the market.

Three of the five were overhauled locally in Brazil, which did speed up deployment and enabled the customers to accelerate the start of production. As with all our customers, we had a ramp-up plan for the year, shown in the dark blue bars on the chart. As you can see, from the outset, production has significantly exceeded plan, driven by the strong demand. This outperformance has been underpinned by above-target efficiency and lower than expected waste rates on our machines, which the customers are, of course, very happy about. Overall, and across all regions, I'm very proud of the efforts our teams have put in to deliver a high level of service to all our customers. This has not only ensured our business continuity during these difficult times, but has also further reinforced the strong customer relationships which are at the heart of our business.

Let me now hand you over to Samuel for some more details on the financials.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thank you, Rolf. I'll cover this slide briefly, as Rolf has already highlighted the main regional trends. One aspect which stands out is the negative impact of exchange rates on the top line, which widened in the third quarter. Both the Brazilian real and the Thai baht continued to weaken, and the US dollar also depreciated against the euro. On a nine-month basis, all regions contributed to growth. Whereas in the first half, EMEA was the largest contributor, the excellent third quarter performance has tipped the balance in favor of the Americas for the first nine months. Asia-Pacific is still showing growth for the year-to-date, despite the slight negative in the quarter due to the combination of ongoing restrictions and high stock levels in Southeast Asia. Turning now to the evolution of adjusted EBITDA, which increased by 6.1% for the first nine months of the year.

Excluding the negative impact from currency, which I will come back to in a moment, the increase was 15.9%. Looking at the progression in the third quarter, the top line contributed EUR 7 million, with sales growing at a lower rate than in the first half. Raw materials contributed EUR 6 million, bringing the contribution for the first nine months to EUR 15 million, which is the indication we have given for the full year benefit. The favorable comparison with last year is now narrowing, as prices already began to fall towards the end of 2019 and are now starting to rise again. We therefore expect only a small benefit for the fourth quarter. The contribution of production efficiencies in the third quarter reflected high efficiency rates at our factories in Europe and the Americas, with our factory in Brazil achieving record production in the month of September.

The dividend received from the Middle East joint venture was unchanged in Q3. Sales to third parties by the joint venture continued to grow in the quarter, and we maintain our expectation of an unchanged dividend for the full year. Finally, SG&A, which had a positive impact in the quarter relative to prior year due to the phasing of R&D investments and a benefit from the countermeasures we put in place following the onset of the COVID-19 crisis. All in all, we were able to register a significant improvement in margin in the third quarter. This means that the margin year-to-date, at 26.8%, is slightly ahead of last year. This is a significant achievement in a year when we have faced unprecedented currency headwinds due to the volatility caused by COVID-19, and as mentioned before, a margin dilution from Visy of 30-40 basis points.

The impact of currency for the first nine months includes the mark-to-market revaluation of balance sheet items at the end of March, following the sharp currency movements at the onset of the COVID-19 crisis. As previously reported, these revaluation effects were realized during the second quarter, given the continued weakness of key currencies. The impact on adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter was a mix of translation and transaction effects. During the quarter, the currency headwind came not just from the Brazilian real and the Thai baht, but also from the U.S. dollar, which is the invoicing currency for our sales in a number of other countries, in addition to the U.S. Our currency hedging program is working effectively.

We have a layered approach which increases the degree of protection as the year progresses, and which will also give us some protection against FX movements in the remainder of this year. Turning now to adjusted net income. While reported net income was slightly higher for the first nine months, the increase was amplified at the adjusted net income level. This is mainly due to the add back of more cash financing costs and unrealized currency effects on intercompany loans. The adjusted effective tax rate of 24.1% has benefited from the favorable conclusion of tax audits. As a result, the tax rate for the full year is likely to come in slightly below the guided range of 28%-29%. Our business could—

Our business continues to be strongly cash generative, with cash generation weighted towards the second half of the year. In the first nine months, free cash flow increased by EUR 9 million compared with the previous year, despite higher capital expenditures relating to the construction of our new plant in China. Gross filler CapEx was slightly lower, but has held up much better than we expected. When we were comparing the situation with 2009 earlier in the year, we referred to the Great Financial Crisis which caused a significant reduction in investments by our customers and limited the core investment opportunities for us. While we are not dependent on filler CapEx in any one year to drive growth, it is encouraging that our customers are sufficiently optimistic about the outlook to continue investing.

The reduction in upfront cash received from our customers represents a return to more normal levels, which we had predicted. Overall, the performance so far in 2020 clearly demonstrates that the resilience of our cash flows is there. The slide shows the impact on the structure of our debt of the refinancing, which we carried out in June. At the end of September, we see a slight reduction in leverage versus 2019 to 2.7 x, which is also lower than the 2.9 x ratio at the end of June. This is despite significant investments in the new APAC plant and the current impact on EBITDA. Let me now conclude on the outlook for the full year. We remain cautious on the fourth quarter, and this based on insights we have from our customers at this point in time.

The year-end rally will be at a lower level than in previous years for a number of reasons. Following the strong performances in the Americas and in Europe year-to-date, many customers are already at levels that qualify them for volume rebates, and hence, have no incentive to stock up during the fourth quarter. For the EMEA region, the comparison will be with a strong fourth quarter in 2019. In Asia-Pacific, where historically the year-end rally has been particularly important, some customers are likely to prefer to conserve cash, with ongoing restrictions continuing to affect consumption. Also, as already mentioned, in some markets, customers have been working their way through high stocks during the third quarter, and they have little appetite to start stocking up again straightaway.

Considering all this, we expect core revenue in the fourth quarter to be broadly flat versus the fourth quarter of 2019 at constant exchange rates. This would still allow us to achieve our 4%-6% growth guidance for the full year. The fourth quarter under this scenario would still be the largest quarter in terms of both core revenue and adjusted EBITDA. With the adjusted EBITDA margin at the end of the first nine months at 26.8%. We expect to reach the lower end of the 27%-28% range as guided for the full year, subject to no further major. Capital expenditure should be around the midpoint of the guidance range of 8%-10%. Overall, we are pleased with the resilience of our business. Let me now conclude on the outlook for the full year. We remain cautious on the fourth quarter.

This is based on insights we have from our customers at this point in time. The year-end rally will be at a lower level than in previous years for a number of reasons. Following the strong performances in the Americas and in Europe year-to-date, many customers are already at levels that qualify them for volume rebates, and hence have no incentive to stock up during the fourth quarter. For the EMEA region, the comparison will be with a strong fourth quarter in 2019. In Asia Pacific, where historically the year-end rally has been particularly important, some customers are likely to prefer to conserve cash, with ongoing restrictions continuing to affect consumption. Also, as already mentioned, in some markets, customers have been working their way through high stocks during the third quarter, and they have little appetite to start stocking up again right away.

Considering all this, we expect core revenue in the fourth quarter to be broadly flat versus the fourth quarter in 2019. These are constant exchange rates. This would still allow us to achieve our 4%-6% growth guidance for the full year. The fourth quarter under this scenario would still be the largest quarter in terms of both core revenue and adjusted EBITDA. With the adjusted EBITDA margin at the end of the first nine months at 26.8%, we expect to reach the lower end of the 27%-28% range as guided for the full year, subject to no further major deterioration in the currencies. Net capital expenditure should be around the midpoint of the guided range of 8%-10%. Overall then, we are pleased with the resilience of our business in this highly exceptional year.

We continue to grow while maintaining a high level of profitability and generating significant free cash flow. With that, I would like to open the call for questions.

Operator

The first question comes from Sandeep Peety from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Sandeep Peety
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good morning. I have a couple of questions. On 2021 guidance, how should we think about 2021? While you have not provided any official guidance, and I do understand it's difficult to predict raw material prices, but if it is possible to give some sense on top-line growth, and the underlying trends in each region would be good. Second question is on APAC region. Southeast Asia has been a drag for your business in Q3. When do you expect the business in that region to normalize? What is the EBITDA opportunity if things get back to normal in that region? Thank you so much.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

I think on your first question, if I understood correctly, you asked for 2021 outlook. I assume you're aware we're going to publish our guidance for next year together with the results 2020. Obviously, top-line development is going to be subject also to more normal levels post this COVID-19 crisis. We're going to obviously again come back with more details on top-line guidance early next year. With regards to raw material, we have already stated publicly that we do continue to see a tailwind, as with our approach where we hedge 80% of the demand on a 12-month rolling basis. We have already visibility, at least to some degree, on raw material pricing for the next year. We did not quantify that yet, but we talked about a continuation on year-on-year tailwinds of raw materials.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I think when we speak about APAC and Southeast Asia in particular, you're right, Southeast Asia definitely has been a drag in the third quarter in general. I think it's fair to say for most part of this year, we did see pretty good progression along quarter by quarter in China. Clearly, Southeast Asia still suffers from prolonged lockdowns in most of the markets. Schools are closed, et cetera, and we clearly see that also in our numbers. Having said that, I think knowing from usually how quickly these markets do rebound, we are very positive and bullish about the midterm prospects in Southeast Asia in general. As you rightfully say, once that is back, as it's such a big and strong market for us, it would provide an uplift on all accounts.

Sandeep Peety
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks, Sandeep.

Operator

The next question comes from Joern Iffert from UBS. Please go ahead.

Joern Iffert
Analyst, UBS

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one would be please on your organic sales growth outlook for Q4. Maybe focusing a little bit on APAC. China seems to recover in the exit rate in September. I mean, Southeast Asia, do you really expect a significant deterioration here for Q4 versus Q3? Would this mean that overall, APAC will be incrementally weaker in Q4 versus Q3 in terms of year-over-year sales growth? Second question on your EBITDA margin outlook for the second half, I think this is for Q4. I think this implies - 100 or 200 basis points in between this. Where exactly is this coming from? Is this something structural we should also read for the first half 2021? Many thanks.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

On the growth outlook for the fourth quarter, we talked about different aspects, but your question is more specifically obviously to the Asia Pacific region. We have seen first signs of recovery in China with the September numbers. Obviously China went through the COVID-19 crisis much earlier compared to Southeast Asia. It has then taken almost nine months to get back to now first signs of recovery. We do see that especially in Southeast Asia, there is a prolongation of lockdown measures or partial lockdown measures, and we do believe that that's going to affect also the situation in Southeast Asia in the fourth quarter. In addition, we have talked about the elevated stock levels, especially of customers also in Southeast Asia. Some of that was depleted in the third quarter, but there's little appetite to stock up again now.

Bear in mind, we already talked last year about the fact that we operate closer to capacity limits within our plant network in Asia Pacific. In order to accommodate a strong year-end rally , we would have needed to pre-pone production into the third quarter to accommodate that in our plant set up. These factors together make us believe that there will be a softer fourth quarter and overall, we have the same expectation for the entire Group. I think we don't provide specific guidance on APAC for the fourth quarter, but I think these factors together gives kind of a broader picture. With regards to your question on the margin outlook for the fourth quarter, I don't think there is anything structural to consider, but there will be slower growth in the fourth quarter, which will have an impact.

Given where we stand year-to-date and combined with the continued rigor on SG&A development as well as probably slight tailwind from raw materials, we believe we get into the lower end of the 27%-28% margin.

Joern Iffert
Analyst, UBS

Okay, many thanks. If I may, a quick follow-up on APAC again. Your new customer pipeline for 2021, also when your new production site is ready to produce and manufacture. You have a strong pipeline on your customer for 2021 in Asia in general?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I would say we're very pleased with the filler pipelines in general in this given year. Probably some might remember that early in the year, we were quite coy about filler placements and signing deals and agreements based on the experiences from 2009 throughout the Financial Crisis when there were less co-investment opportunities and everybody was more cautious. By and large, we have very strong and solid filler pipelines also throughout this year. I would also add to your question specifically on APAC and the plant opening. Clearly it is earmarked the new plant for Asia in general, where China we do see is coming out of the doldrums already. Keep in mind also that this new plant is earmarked for combismile, our new product portfolio, and to cater to that globally, where we also signed agreements also today already, and have filler installations outside of APAC.

Joern Iffert
Analyst, UBS

Many thanks.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks, Joern.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Lars Kjellberg from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Very strong performance, of course, in the third quarter. Your guidance, you talk about 0%, broadly speaking, in Q4. Is there a reason for why you're not tightening the guidance between 5%-6% because you seem to be believing that the middle of that range should be hit? On the SG&A front, you of course, had quite a big SG&A increase in the first half. Now you've got a 3% Sorry, EUR 3 million improvement year-on-year. Is that something we should continue to expect for Q4? I think, Samuel, you kind of implied that raw mats and SG&A will continue to be tailwind into the final quarter of the year.

I also had a question about, you mentioned, of course, the filler installation have been running at a high pace or potentially better than you had expected. You also mentioned something in the Americas where you said, if I got it right, that five pieces had been withdrawn from the market somewhere and now placed in Brazil. If you want to put some color to that, why were they withdrawn and as you would see the returns from those, the investments in those assets I guess would be materially lower than building new ones. Just interesting to get some color on that particular point.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks, Lars. With regard to the first question, the top-line guidance of the 4%-6% and why we did not narrow the range. I think we have greater visibility than in previous quarter. That said, we cannot predict with precision. The extent to which we're going to see the sales evolving in the fourth quarter. It's still a year with unprecedented uncertainty. Again, this probably feels comfortable to maintain the 4%-6% range.

With regard to your second question on SG&A, I think you can expect for the full year to see the step up in SG&A to be on a similar level, like in the first nine months. With regards to your third question—

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

On the filler withdrawals, clearly, what we always try to is to keep and maintain or manage the destiny of our installed filler base across all countries. Whenever we see that there are certain fillers that are underutilized or could be optimized in general within the network, we try to discuss that with customers and optimize basically, the utilization of the broader fleet.

Obviously, it needs certain trigger events to be able to take out filling lines which are probably not running at good capacity, or if customers install new filling lines in general within their existing plant network. These are the kind of trigger events where we try to pull out filling lines. It happened in Brazil that we had the opportunity to optimize over the last period to some degrees, obviously the installed filler base to withdraw underutilized fillers. We discussed also in the last fiscal year, the fairly high amount of filler withdrawals, where we said we should not necessarily look at the filler withdrawals, but also the capacities which go in and out. In that instance now, we managed to fairly quickly redeploy these filling lines. Very often they are still in very good shape, probably need only a minor overhaul.

For us, it's very attractive, especially in this instance where the new customer wants to ramp up fairly quickly, switch volumes to us, existing volumes which were there, and clearly in that instance, with a new filling line, we would have had much longer lead times in general. That's basically the background for it.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Just want to stay with the Americas for two seconds. Obviously, the growth has been variable, to say the least, very strong in Q1, less on Q2, and again, a surge in Q3. I would assume that the foodservice element that you pointed out in the second quarter is still not doing fantastically well in the Americas. Is that something that you're seeing any signs of recovery or setbacks, et cetera, with the pandemic? Or is it not worth commenting on as a driver for the full year?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

No. I think it's not necessarily worth commenting for. I think the fact that it's been so choppy, with very strong Q1 and Q3 and a weaker Q2 is also the function of a very weak first quarter 2019 in the Americas, where clearly our North American, specifically U.S. sales suffered a lot, given that we couldn't ship on time, due to the strike we had in Germany at the time. I think the base of comparison was rather weak. Equally in Q3, we did not have a super, super strong quarter in general in the Americas. I think the base of comparison is a factor. Clearly now we did ramp up very quickly the new filler installations in Brazil, which clearly added to an already buoyant underlying base market for us.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Very good. Final point for me. EMEA, of course, have seen tremendous growth this year. This is a region where you sort of didn't really expect any meaningful growth. Even if we take out the exceptional Q2, you're still in around the 3% growth mark. Has anything structurally changed, or this is all COVID related, or are you gaining share in the market? Should we expect a sort of 2% to 3% growth going forward in this region, which would be a clear uptick?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I think how we look at Europe is clearly that markets like Europe had strong in-home consumption in general. We have a strong milk business. We have a strong food business. All of that is rather family-sized packs and clearly during the lockdowns and probably even now while in-home consumption continues and home office work continues, we are a clear beneficiary of that. We always characterize the European market as one which is more or less flat and where we aim to grow and win market share. I think there is definitely also an element of this embedded in that.

Clearly, I wouldn't necessarily say that now the growth rates in the market in general, not necessarily us, but the market in general, which we encountered year- to- date, that would be a repeat under normal circumstances if markets return towards or if the way of living returns towards normal. I think for as long as there is home office work, it should be rather a tailwind than anything else.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

There's no element of new launch and new pack formats that you're driving that growth?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Oh, definitely. As said, we firmly believe that also year-to-date, we managed to build further our position also in Europe and gain market share. We did ramp up, for example, new fillers in COVAP. We did speak at the time also at the Analyst Conference about all the filler wins we have that continue to ramp up and that we have more in the pipeline. That is, for example, embedded in there. We do have also other wins, for example, in the Nordics, which we do ramp up and did ramp up. Clearly our impression is that we continue to place new filling lines and win market share also in the European market.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Final one on that one. Any new categories that you're entering to drive that growth as opposed to standard UHT milk?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Yeah, I think we did have very good wins in, for example, coffee segment, coffee drinks. We had good wins in dairy alternatives, yogurt drinks, also in the European market. Clearly it's from the size and scale. It's not as big, but as I said before, very often these new segments come at attractive margins. We are very pleased, clearly, about these wins and broadening, in general, the scope, the portfolio of where the income is coming from.

Lars Kjellberg
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Very good. Thank you.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you, Lars.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Alessandro Foletti from Octavian. Please go ahead, sir.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

Yes. Good morning, everyone. Can you hear me?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Very well, Alessandro. You're very clear.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

All right. Very good. Thank you. Just a couple of one for me. You mentioned the dilution from the Visy acquisition. Can you be a bit specific on how big that dilution is?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

The dilution from the Visy business on the 2020 margin, EBITDA margin, is approximately 40 basis points. That's a function of obviously a bit of a lower margin business compared to food beverage that we acquired back then.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

40 basis points for the Group or for the Asian?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

For the Group.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

For the Asian—

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

For the Group.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

For the whole Group?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Yes.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

All right. For the Group. Thank you. On Middle East, you gave last quarter a bit of a update on how it was doing. Can you tell us what's the growth rate there? What drives it a little bit? And how it's going given the COVID situation? At least, until Q3 has not been very much under control, I should say.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Sure. As you remember, we talked for the half year about the constant currency growth rate of approximately 7%, and we do see basically a similar pace also in the third quarter, where you have a year-to-date growth in the Middle East, approximately 6% constant currency. That's the third-party sales of the JV. I think this is a function of a number of different drivers. Since 2018, we have placed many more lines in the liquid dairy segment, and we do see that that is holding up very well. Also alongside with other SKUs that are designed or made for in-home or at-home consumption. We do see that those effects help us to continue to grow the business in the Middle East.

What the midterm perspective is, and we discussed that on earlier calls, we remain very positive about the region and the outlook, because fundamental growth drivers, they are aligned in that region.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

Right. Thank you very much. Two small one to go for me. One on the CapEx. Can you give an indication of on how much of the Chinese new plant you have already spent? Of the portion that pertains to you, of course, so excluding the leasings and so on, but of that you have to spend, how much do you spend already run rate? And how much will be spent by the end of the year?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Alessandro, we haven't quantified those effects, for every single year. We talked about an overall commitment of EUR 180 million, which included the NPV of the lease of EUR 65. The remainder obviously is CapEx. You can assume that the plant that comes on stream, in Q1 next year, needs to be close to finished at this point in time. That also says that probably a larger part of the CapEx is already spent, but we always talked about it as a multi-year CapEx program.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

Great. Yes. Thank you. Okay, that means, let's say at least EUR 50 million, EUR 60 million, maybe even EUR 70 million have already been spent for that plan.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

As I said, Alessandro, we haven't talked about.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

Okay. Good. All right. Last one for me. We've been speaking about new categories. In Europe, can you give an indication of how much these new categories represent the business in the U.S.?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Let me frame that differently. I would say in general, in the U.S., these new categories are a larger percentage of total sales. Also, as a result of the fact that the U.S.

To a large degree, it's a chilled market, especially in the plain vanilla categories like plain milk and plain juice. As a result, all more, for lack of a better word, exotic categories, be it milk drinks super high in protein, coffee creamers, dairy alternatives, et cetera, they are overweighted in the aseptic category. As a result, I would say they constitute a broader percentage of our income in the U.S. vis-à-vis Europe. I think also the U.S. was a front runner, obviously, and very innovative in launching and developing these new categories. At the same time, I think it's also fair to acknowledge that that trend started in the U.K. first and now in other Western European markets where we see an influx and see, as a result, a very good opportunity for us.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

All right. Are you willing to give a ballpark figure, like 80%, 50%, 20% of sales?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I think I would be willing to say that in the Europe, it is growing very nicely and consistently, but it will still require for the foreseeable future, a strong footing in plain milk, because simply Europe is a very strong plain milk market in general on aseptic.

Alessandro Foletti
Analyst, Octavian

All right. Thank you.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thank you Alessandro.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you, Alessandro.

Operator

The next question comes from Miro Zuzak from JMS. Please go ahead.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I have a couple. Most of the other questions have already been answered. The first one is on the FX impact that you had in Q3. Can you give an idea what the impact is going to be in Q4 on Group level, assuming that the currencies are going to stay where they are at the moment? It can be around 5%.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

If they're going to stay where they are, we would expect a continued negative impact on EBITDA, but we have factored that into—

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Sorry, sorry. I was talking about the top line. What's the negative impact on the top line? Is it going to be 5% again, roughly like in Q3, or is there an acceleration again, it's going to be worse?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

On the top line, obviously, you're familiar with the fact that it's difficult to predict, especially along the lines that there are significant mix effects. In a quarter where we have such a strong Americas, obviously that is one of the explanations for the widening of the spread between constant currency and also reported currency. It's going to be a function of the mix of the regions that we're going to see in the fourth quarter.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay. Can you give an idea about the number? Is it going to be 5% again? Or is this going to be 3% or so? You have a view on the mix again.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Given that it's really driven not only by the currencies, but also by the mix between the regions, that's a number which is very tough to predict, and we can only be wrong.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay. The second question is on EMEA. We have this strange pattern with this very strong Q2. Q3 was now weaker again versus a stronger base, frankly speaking, but still much weaker. Was there an element of de-stocking in Q3 after this intensive buying during the first lockdown in Q2? Was there a de-stocking in Q3, and do you expect to be restocking in Q4 again?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I think the restocking is tougher to answer. How we perceived it in general was that Q1, we saw, especially towards the end of Q1, the hoarding effects, for lack of a better word, the panic buying to some degree, restocking along the entire supply chain to our big beneficiaries for that in Q2, with that very high growth rate. We saw depleting stocks in the first two months of the third quarter, I would say. In September, we saw a pickup again. I think it's too early to say that retailers ammunition themselves now again in light of potential further, more severe lockdowns which are there to come. I think that's also one of the uncertainties in predicting now really the Q4 or narrowing the guidance. Is it 5%-6%? Is it 4%-6%?

That it's really tough to say, on the one side, what lockdowns will be in Q4 and in general what that will mean for purchasing patterns, especially in Europe. We did see some depleting in July and August and some building up and good momentum again in September, which did lead also to that reasonable growth in the third quarter.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay. The Hochwald ramp up. Can you say a few words on this one? Is this going according to plan? Do you expect first revenues next year? Can you just confirm this?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Absolutely. It's going according to plan. I would also say not like when we build a plant, it's more also there, the customer who has to meet his timelines for that new facility and for us in that instance. I don't want to say it's easier, but to some degree, it's easier to just put in the fillers and deploy them on time. We expect the ramping up to start in 2021, and as a result, first impact in the P&L in 2021.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay, thank you. Just quickly on Brazil, that's my second last question. You have this nice chart with the ramp up, but it's going actually faster than anticipated or than planned. There is no X scale on this chart. Can you give us an idea how much, just like a house number, how much revenues you already make with this client? Is this just a couple of million or is this a couple of tens of million already? Well, it's not going to be a couple of tens of million, of course, but can you give an idea about how much the growth is?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I think I would refrain from that. To give you some color, in the very early days, we said normally a liter filler, just to get a feeling, can generate EUR 2 million-3 million in revenues, roughly. Per annum, if ramped up, obviously it always depends to some degree what the customer fills, what USP he uses, et cetera, but t hat gives you a proxy. We said it's nine filling lines. By and large, that gives you a corridor as to when fully ramped up, where the potential can be. We're fairly pleased given that, definitely it's been a very good deal in general, which is ramping up quickly, but which also still leaves room to grow into for 2021.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay, thank you. The last one, an easy one. You mentioned the lower tax rate of 24% in Q3 due to these tax audits that you had. Are these effects going to last into the next years? Is this now the new flag level? Of course, not 24%, but the lower end of the 27%-28%?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Yeah, I think it's a good question. Obviously, I wouldn't read too much into that. We wanted to position it also clearly as a one-off. That's why the reference to the tax audit that came to a close. I think, we, as a function of that, expect to come in slightly lower than the indicated 28%-29%. I wouldn't read too much into the tax rate 2021. Obviously, we'll come up with the guidance in line or when we come with the full-year guidance 2021.

Miro Zuzak
Analyst, JMS

Okay. Thank you very much.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thank you.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Christian Arnold from MainFirst. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Three topics, if I may. Maybe first on filler withdrawals. You are always talking about filler replacements and benefit, Latin America, Brazil, you mentioned. Can you talk a little bit about the filler withdrawals, where you have actually lowered the capacities?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

We're going to publish the placements as well as the withdrawals with the full year numbers 2020, where you have a schedule, obviously a number of fillers that are placed and that are withdrawn. These numbers historically are available already. In general, I think it's always important to keep in mind that what we place is of much higher nameplate capacity than of what we withdraw. Obviously a single serve pack that we place, a new one, it has a speed of 24,000 packs per hour, whereas what we withdraw is half of that nameplate capacity then. Let's keep in mind that the utilization of a new line that we place is obviously much higher than of an old line that we retire. The nameplate capacity delta, which is already a factor two, is even amplified by different utilization.

I think in terms of effective use capacity that we add to the market, the number of fillers that we add is always significantly higher than what we withdraw, if you think of a capacity equivalent.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Okay, thanks. Just probably Q4 margin, you were discomforting [audio distortion].

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

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Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

We can't hear you.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

A little bit lower margin in Q4. We have the seasonality, and you're also talking that sales as well as EBITDA, you expect in Q4, the highest level during the whole year. Why shouldn't we expect a Q4 margin being similar at the Q3 level of 30.2%? Where should the difference come from?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Part of your question were difficult to follow. I think the line is a bit bad, but I understand it. The full year guidance of 27%-28% for the EBITDA margin. From a today' s perspective, you think that's achievable because if you look to the first nine months and where we stand, that is a solid basis. As you referred to the strong margin in the third quarter, and you have seen in our EBITDA bridge who drove that. I think for the fourth quarter, you need to keep in mind that we expect, obviously, a lower contribution from the top line and a bit of lower operating leverage. At the same time, we can expect continued benefit from raw material and the SG&A.

We talked before already about the fact that, if you look at FX rates and where they stand today, that that will be rather a drag on the margin. Also in the fourth quarter, obviously all subject to no major deterioration of the currency front. All those factors together led us to maintaining the guidance of the lower end of 27%-28%.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Would you rule out that the Q4 margin is at the same level as in Q3?

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

I can only repeat what I just said.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Okay.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Obviously, it's difficult to make predictions with the level of precision that you ask for. We are comfortable from today's perspective to maintain our guidance for the margin as outlined.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Okay. Thank you. The last question on EMEA. You were saying September restocking compensating for the destocking in July and August. That somewhat leads to assumption that we saw in September a high single-digit growth, at least in EMEA. I wonder what shall we expect for Q4? Thinking back of Q2, I think we are now in a similar situation, right? Pandemic, we have the second wave. People are not going to travel in the fourth quarter. Everybody is staying at home. We should actually see a very strong home consumption in EMEA in Q4. Knowing that we have a higher base, nevertheless, Q4, I mean, it looks very promising for EMEA. Is that wrong?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

I refrain from speculating the psychology of the end consumer. Clearly, we saw buying behaviors in February, March, when the lockdown started, which were significant and probably higher than just normal in-home consumption, and there was also a certain element of hoarding effect in there. I would not be able to judge now whether people start now to stack up on toilet paper again, given that they realized the first time there is good supply in toilet paper and it suffices. I refrain from speculating on that one. Having said that, obviously, if lockdowns come and start again, in general, that should lead to reasonably more consumption.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Have in mind the strong Q4 in EMEA last year, where we were up 6.2% in the single quarter last year.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Okay. Is the assumption right that in September you have seen at least high single-digit growth?

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

We did see that the market was stronger in September than in July and August.

Christian Arnold
Analyst, MainFirst

Thank you.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Thank you. Thanks, Christian.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks, Christian.

Operator

Gentlemen, so far there are no more questions.

Rolf Stangl
CEO, SIG Group

Well, if there are no more questions, let me conclude the call. The business is performing very well in difficult times and is demonstrating the essential role clearly it plays in supplying food and beverage to consumers worldwide. I think this, in combination with our resilient business model, is indeed enabling us to continue the track record of growth and cash generation. Thank you very much, certainly for listening in, for your questions. Stay safe, and I wish you all a very good day. Thanks a lot.

Samuel Sigrist
CFO, SIG Group

Thanks.