ASE Technology Holding Co., Ltd. (TPE:3711)
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Oct 30, 2026, 1:30 PM CST
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Earnings Call: Q3 2026

Oct 29, 2026

Summary

Record Q3 revenue and profit reflected strong LEAP mix and utilization. Capacity constraints are driving higher investment, with further margin gains and strong LEAP, full-process, and CPO growth expected into 2027.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Hello, I am Ken Hsiang, the Head of Investor Relations at ASE Technology Holding. Welcome to our third quarter 2026 earnings release. I am joined today by Joseph Tung, our CFO. Thank you for joining us today. Please refer to our safe harbor notice on page two. All participants consent to having their voices and questions broadcast via participation in this event. If you do not consent, please refrain from asking questions or leave the session now. I would like to remind everyone that the presentation that follows may contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to a high degree of risk, and our actual results may differ materially. For the purposes of this presentation, dollar figures are generally stated in New Taiwan dollars unless otherwise indicated. As a Taiwan-based company, our financial information is presented in accordance with Taiwan-IFRS.

Results presented using Taiwan-IFRS may differ materially from results using other accounting standards, including those separately presented by our subsidiaries. For today's presentation, I will give a brief business update and then go through the Q3 results. Joseph will close with our Q4 outlook. During the third quarter, our ATM capacities ran at or near full utilization rates. Demand for our services continues to outpace our ability to supply such services within our LEAP in much of our non-LEAP capacities. Our revenues grew faster than we had initially expected, driven primarily by faster than expected installations of high-demand LEAP capacities. Non-LEAP also performed slightly better than initial expectations. Even though historically speaking, third quarters tend to be driven by seasonal strength, given the increasing mix of LEAP services, seasonality related to underlying consumer buying patterns are becoming less of a factor in our overall loading patterns.

Overall, ATM profitability also improved more than anticipated, primarily as a result of higher than expected LEAP loading. Our EMS business's third quarter grew slightly ahead of our expectations. The third quarter continues to exhibit strong underlying seasonal demand for our SiP-related products. Our EMS business's profitability was in line with our expectations. Please turn to page three, where you will find our third quarter consolidated results. For Q3, fully diluted EPS was TWD 5.84, and basic EPS came in at TWD 6.13. Year-to-date through Q3, our fully diluted EPS was TWD 13.40, and basic EPS was TWD 14.17.

Consolidated net revenues reached a record TWD 244.2 billion, up 28% sequentially and 45% year-over-year. Gross profit was TWD 54 billion with a gross margin of 22.1%, up 1.1 percentage points sequentially and 5 percentage points year-over-year. The sequential improvement stems from higher LEAP content in our ATM business.

The annual improvement reflects higher ATM revenue and a more favorable NT dollar environment. Operating expenses totaled TWD 20.8 billion, up TWD 1.8 billion sequentially and TWD 5.1 billion year-over-year, primarily driven by higher headcount, profit-sharing expenses, and further R&D spend to support LEAP initiatives. As a percentage of revenue, operating expenses declined sequentially by 1.5 percentage points and annually by 0.8 percentage points to 8.5%. Our OpEx percentage declined principally from LEAP revenue growth after previous periods of R&D investment. We currently see operating expenses continuing to rise on an absolute level, but on a percentage basis should remain near the range demonstrated in the current year. This delivered an operating profit of TWD 33.1 billion, up 57% quarter- over- quarter and 151% year-over-year. We had an operating margin of 13.6%, expanding 2.5 percentage points sequentially and 5.8 percentage points annually.

Rising company profitability was primarily driven by higher loading and expanding LEAP product mix. Non-operating loss totaled TWD 0.4 billion. This amount includes net interest expenses of TWD 2.6 billion, up TWD 0.8 billion sequentially due to higher debt levels. Tax expense was TWD 4.8 billion. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 14.8%. During the quarter, we saw beneficial changes to tax regulations and foreign currency movements, which positively affected our net deferred tax position. Given these changes, we now expect our full year effective tax rate to be between 16%-17%. Net income for the quarter was TWD 27 billion, up 28% sequentially and 148% year-over-year. On page four is a graphical view of our consolidated quarterly performance. For the third quarter 2026, our ATM business represented 62% of our consolidated holding company revenues, while representing 91% of our operating profits.

This is compared to 59% of consolidated holding company revenues, while representing 82% of operating profit in the third quarter of last year. As our ATM LEAP business continues to outgrow our other service areas, we continue to believe that our ATM business will continue to increase as a percentage of our overall business and profitability. On page five is our ATM P&L. For the third quarter of 2026, we recorded record revenues for our ATM business of TWD 151.5 billion, up TWD 25.3 billion sequentially and TWD 51.2 billion annually, representing an increase of 20% sequential and 51% annual growth. Gross profit for our ATM business was TWD 46.4 billion, up TWD 11.9 billion sequentially and up TWD 23.7 billion year-over-year.

ATM gross profit margin was 30.6%, up 3.3 percentage points sequentially and 8 percentage points annually, driven by higher operating leverage and a more favorable revenue mix, particularly a higher mix of LEAP. Our gross margin has surpassed our historical structural margin ceiling. A theoretical structural margin for our ATM business would now substantially depend upon the amount of expected LEAP product mix. Given that our LEAP business continues to grow rapidly, our margin range now appears to be dynamic rather than fixed structurally. During the third quarter, operating expenses were TWD 16.2 billion, up TWD 1.5 billion sequentially and TWD 4.3 billion year-over-year. The sequential and annual increases in operating expenses are primarily related to higher overall labor costs and general R&D expenses. Our operating expense ratio was 10.7%, down 1 percentage point sequentially and 1.1 percentage points annually.

We are approaching our near term ATM OpEx percentage target as we balance cost in a more technology-led growth framework. During the third quarter, operating profit was TWD 30.2 billion, representing a sequential 53% increase of TWD 10.5 billion and a 178% annual increase of TWD 19.4 billion. Operating margin was 20%, up 4.3 percentage points sequentially and up 9.2 percentage points year-over-year. The NT dollar had a + 0.5 sequential and a 3.3 annual percentage point impact to our gross and operating margins. On page six, you'll find a graphical representation of our ATM P&L. The chart currently highlights our gross profit margin. Over the displayed timeframe, our margin improvement has been largely driven by improving utilization rates within traditional product lines and increasing LEAP product mix. In this timeframe from peak to trough, our gross profit margin percentage has climbed 8.7 percentage points.

On page seven is our ATM revenue by communications, computing, and consumer applications. LEAP services are primarily included within our computing applications, with a lesser amount being included in our communications applications. As can be seen here, our computing applications percentage continues to grow steadily. With a large amount of our LEAP services coming from computing, revenues for our computing application grew by 39%. Meanwhile, automotive, industrial, and consumer all grew by about 14%. Our communications application had the least amount of growth during the quarter, growing 8%. At this time, we continue to believe that our computing application will lead growth into 2027 and 2028. On page eight, you will find our ATM revenue by service type. At the beginning of the year, we believed that our test business, led by rapid expansion of our wafer sort business, would outpace growth of our assembly business.

However, during the year, our assembly business has been showing even stronger than expected growth, especially as it relates to our traditional businesses. The demand for our test services continues to be robust. However, as with much of our business expansion, test capacities are awaiting new facilities. As stated during the previous quarter, we believe that both our assembly and test businesses will grow at similar rates during the year. On page nine, you can see the third quarter results of our EMS business. Our EMS business has historically focused more on products closer to consumer-driven end markets. Many of these products are experiencing a higher component cost environment driven by shortages caused by the rapid AI build out. These extra pass-through costs are increasing both our reported revenues and raw material costs. When netted, this ultimately negatively impacts our EMS business' margin performance.

EMS revenues grew 42% sequentially and 35% annually to TWD 93.5 billion. Sequentially, our EMS business' gross margin decreased by 0.6 percentage points to 8.3%. This change was principally the result of higher pass-through component costs and product mix differences. EMS operating expenses increased by TWD 0.4 billion sequentially and by TWD 0.8 billion annually. Our third quarter EMS operating expense ratio was 5%, declining 1.5 percentage points sequentially and 0.6 percentage points annually. Operating margin came in at 3.3%, improving 0.9 percentage points sequentially and declining 0.4 percentage points annually. The sequential margin improvement is the result of product mix offset by the higher component cost environment. The annual decline is the result of higher component costs. Our EMS third quarter operating profit was TWD 3.1 billion, up TWD 1.5 billion sequentially and up TWD 0.6 billion annually.

On the bottom of the page, you will find a graphical representation of our EMS revenue by application. Generally, the moves in the consumer and communication categories are related to the seasonality of the underlying products we service. Though the communications application percentage looks to have declined, on an absolute dollar basis, our EMS communications application grew quarterly. Annually, the communications application percentage declined primarily due to underlying customer production timing changes. The growth in the computing application is largely driven by business related to AI accelerator products. From a longer-term perspective, we continue to pursue potential synergies between our ATM and EMS businesses to co-develop system-level solutions. By integrating critical EMS competencies with ATM technologies, we have the potential to optimize entire systems end-to-end, applying the same co-engineering disciplines that successfully scaled SiP architecture.

As complexities increase at the die and package level, the system level will need to follow suit. On page 10, you will find key line items from our balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, we had cash equivalents, and current financial assets of TWD 107.9 billion. Our total interest-bearing debt increased by TWD 100.2 billion to TWD 406.5 billion. Total unused credit lines amounted to TWD 457.3 billion. Our EBITDA for the quarter was TWD 58 billion. Our net debt to equity ratio this quarter was 66%. As expressed in previous quarters, the third quarter represents the near-term peak of our net debt to equity ratio. We expect this ratio to come down somewhat in the fourth quarter. On page 11, you will find our equipment capital expenditures relative to our EBITDA.

Machine and equipment capital expenditures for the third quarter in U.S. dollars totaled $2.1 billion, of which $1 billion was used in packaging operations, $1.1 billion in testing operations, $41 million in EMS operations, and $5 million in interconnect materials operations and others. In addition to spending on machinery and equipment, during the quarter, we also spent $1.8 billion on facilities and land. We continue to believe that the growth of the company is highly dependent upon the execution of our various facility teams to deliver new manufacturing space and install equipment in those buildings for scaled-up mass production. We believe the ability to accelerate CapEx at this point to be beneficial to the company, as it allows us to bring in new manufacturing capacity at a time when we are running full.

Year-to-date, we have spent $8 billion of CapEx, $4.8 billion in equipment, and $3.2 billion in facilities. We currently have 22 ongoing building projects in Taiwan. We expect more than half of these projects will start supporting some level of revenue from now through 2027. One final point before handing the presentation off. Our overall business outlook continues to be increasingly defined by our leading-edge capacities. Though our LEAP services are frequently tied to AI-related products, we see our LEAP capacities as the manufacturing basis for future generations of products, not just AI-related. Multi-chip interconnectivity on leading-edge devices has become the norm. We are in the midst of an evolution of electronics production, where systemization is increasingly happening at the chip level. Simply put, what we are seeing is the next evolution of miniaturization.

It bears repeating, the capacities we are putting in place are not specifically made for AI. AI products just so happen to need the performance benefits LEAP interconnections provide. Our investments today are laying the future groundwork for generations of products to come. I'll hand the presentation over to Joseph to walk through the company's Q4 outlook.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Thank you, Ken. Let me give everybody a fourth quarter guidance. Based on our current business outlook and exchange rate assumption of $1 to TWD 31.9, which is that it remains the same as in the third quarter. Management projects overall performance for the fourth quarter of 2026 to be as follows. On consolidated basis, in NT dollar terms, our consolidated fourth quarter revenue should grow by 6%-8% quarter-over-quarter. Our consolidated fourth quarter gross margin should be between 23%-24%. Our consolidated fourth quarter operating margin should be between 14.5%-15.5%. For ATM business, in NT dollar terms, our ATM fourth quarter revenue should grow by 11%-13% quarter-over-quarter. Our ATM fourth quarter gross margin should increase by 100 to 200 basis points quarter-over-quarter.

For EMS, in NT dollar terms, our EMS fourth quarter revenue should be flattish quarter-over-quarter. Our EMS fourth quarter operating margin should be around 2%. Now, with that, we will open the floor for questions.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

During the Q&A session that follows, we would appreciate it if your questions could be as clear and concise as possible and asked singularly. I, as the moderator, will be receiving each question and repeating each asked question. After an initial question, the participant may ask a follow-up question, clarifications of the earlier question, or another question entirely. Then we will move to the next participant. Participants may return to the queue for any additional questions and/or clarifications. Thank you.

Operator

If you have any questions, please raise your hand. Our first question is from Sunny Lin of UBS. Sunny?

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Hello. Could you hear me okay?

Operator

Yes.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Thank you very much for taking my questions, and congrats on the very strong results. My first question is on your overall LEAP sales. Given the importance and your accelerating expansion, any update on your LEAP sales for 2027? How should we think about the split by full process, substrate outsourcing, and test?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

For 2027, we are expecting to remain as we last projected to double our LEAP revenue for the year.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Well then, sorry, maybe just to follow up, that will be my second question. Any update on your LEAP sales for 2026?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Yeah. As I said, we are upping our 2026 LEAP revenue from originally $3.7 billion, that we mentioned last quarter, to over $4 billion for this year.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Got it. And--

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Go ahead, please.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Sure. Sorry. Not sure if it is a connection issue, but I lost a part of the response. It is okay, we will check the transcript. My second question would be on the full process CoWoS. How is the overall ramp and yield for the key product second half of this year? Now, looking into 2027 with your expansion, should we assume a more diversified customer base and product base? Yeah.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Sunny, you are asking about our full-process business, and then looking for any update in terms of the full-process yield and such, right? Is that correct?

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Yield, and then the product base going to 2027.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I think for 2026, our full-process revenue is on track, and we are keeping a $300 million revenue for the year. Everything else is going as planned. For next year, we are expecting over a $1 billion revenue coming from full process. Of course, the yield is at the level that we can get into mass production and major shipments.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

All right. Thank you very much.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Does that answer your question, Sunny?

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Yes. Thank you.

Operator

If you have any questions, please raise your hand. Our next question is from Gokul Hariharan of JPMorgan.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah. Hi, Joseph and Ken. Thanks.

Operator

Hello, Gokul? Gokul, I cannot hear you. Okay, next question is from Haas Liu of BofA. Haas, can you hear me? Okay. Now we go back to Gokul Hariharan of JPMorgan.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hello?

Operator

Hello, Gokul.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah. Hi. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Oh, okay. All right. Thank you very much for taking the question. Hi, Joseph and Ken. My first question is on gross margin. Could you talk a little bit about where we are seeing this upside in gross margins compared to our guidance range for Q3? Looks like a very clean kind of 150-200 basis points beat and further upside in Q4 as well. Is it pricing or is it your full processes ramping up better in terms of margins? Secondly, on the same topic, I think now that we have already exceeded our previous structural range, and obviously the product mix is also different, you are still expecting LEAP to grow faster than the overall product mix. What is the kind of gross margin range we should think about as we think about the next couple of years?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, as we continue to ramp up our LEAP business, I think there will be further margin improvement in fourth quarter as well as going into next year. At this point, I think the so-called structural margin no longer applies because of the significant and rapidly changing business structure that we are having today. If we are to comment on our margins, I think the first thing we will say is that the so-called structural margin ceiling has now become the base for us.

Looking into next year, I think as we continue to ramp up our overall capacity, and also in a very friendly type of pricing environment, we believe that we will continue to see gross margin improvement on a quarterly basis from the base of 30%, and we will continue to see sequential improvement in our margin on a quarterly basis for next year as well.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Just to follow up there, if you look at the overall portfolio, maybe the LEAP testing aside within packaging, what would be the highest gross margin that you are able to earn in any of the LEAP processes? Is it already close to 40% for some of the processes, or that is too ambitious?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Gokul, you are looking for the potential highest performing margin for LEAP at this point? Is that your question?

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah. Within the three or four components that are there, which one is the highest performing, and what are those levels? I just want to understand what is the room for travel in terms of your overall gross margins, given your mix is clearly improving quite rapidly.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I don't think we want to comment on the different margins in different products or different packages. But I think overall, the overall LEAP business, both on assembly and test, our margin is accretive, and we will continue to see improvement in the margin expansion.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Got it. My second question is just a follow-up on your LEAP full process revenues for next year. Joseph, I think you mentioned more than $1 billion, but that sounds quite conservative given you are only doing $300 million in the first quarter of ramp this year. Could you talk a little bit more about your engagements on the full process? Also, if you ramp up all these 22 projects that you are currently ramping up in terms of facilities, both greenfield and brownfield, what does it mean in terms of, let us say, if you ramp it up in 2028, any indication in terms of what is the investment required from a CapEx perspective, and what does it mean for our continued growth? Does it mean that you continue to grow at similar rates even into 2028, not just for 2027?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Gokul, you are asking about a characterization of our full process business, and in certain regards, kind of a total return outlook. Is that correct?

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Total growth outlook, given the very sharp ramp in the facilities.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

We do have multiple customers engagement at this point, although we are pretty much constrained by our capacity, and we are aggressively building that up. From the business outlook that we have so far, I think our resources are quite limited. Although the demand is there, we are still trying very hard to catch up in terms of supply. For next year, we are expecting that the demand can be way higher than what we will be able to deliver. So right now, we are still projecting over $1 billion revenue coming from our full process. Anything else? I think the biggest bottleneck today is really still the space, although many different areas, we do have ourselves being constrained. But space is really one of the biggest constraints that we are facing today.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. That is helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Laura Chen of Citigroup.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Hello. Hi, good afternoon, can you hear me?

Operator

Yes.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Yes. Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Just want to follow that $1 billion, the full process. Can you give us more color about that? What type of full process will see the contributions next year? Also, for our LEAP overall revenue. Obviously, still more driven by the substrate part. We do see that our companies have various different type of technology. Just wondering, can you give us more color about the growth breakdowns, and particularly in the full process in the next two years?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Hi, Laura, this is Ken.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Yeah.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

I don't think we have a lot of characterization in terms of what types of full process. I think when we talk about full process, it's generally much more customer specific too.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

I think we probably can't really comment that much on that at this point.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay, sure. Understood. So that also seems like the growth into next year is more coming from the substrate part?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Yes. We are seeing very strong demand in test as well.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Sure.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Assembly and tests, we are both seeing a very strong momentum. Again, we are actually constrained with our capacity build-up. We are still trying very hard to try to catch up with it. In terms of full process, I think as I mentioned, we are moving ahead and on track. We hope that we can supply more for next year. At this point, we are conservatively looking at about over $1 billion revenue coming from that. There are some other new projects that we are entering. For example, CPO, and we are expecting over $0.5 billion of revenue coming from CPO as well for next year. That will be included in our LEAP revenue.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Oh, thank you very much. That is actually my second question about to ask about the CPO, because we see that Jensen earlier last week, he mentioned about that 30x the capacity will pick up for next year. I assume that also there is in the LEAP revenues. Will we going forward, to split that revenues breakdown for better investor understanding on that part growth?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I think we are breaking it down already in terms of oS, in terms of full process, in terms of wafer sort, and as I mentioned, CPO.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay, thank you. If I may also check on that, do we have any expectation on the CPO revenue contributions in two years?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

In two to three years?

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Yes.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

No, we have a projection for next year, but we will have better clarity after we finish what we are setting out to do for now.

Laura Chen
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay, sure. Looking forward to that. Thank you very much.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Haas Liu of BofA.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yes. Hi, can you hear me now? Sorry, I was disconnected.

Operator

Yes.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, yes. Thank you so much for taking my questions, and congrats on the great results. I think just a quick follow-up on the structural gross margins, where you already reported the quarter's ATM sales, ATM gross margins up to slightly higher than 30%. So, with your LEAP business, that will be even higher in the next couple of quarters. Also, your mainstream packaging and testing business utilization pricing are actually also improving. Can we use third quarter gross margin as a base case going forward for your overall ATM gross margin assumptions as well as the cycle holes? Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Yes. As I mentioned earlier, that we are now using our structural gross margin ceiling as a base for next year onward.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. So, we can use this kind of roughly 30% of the gross margins as the base case for next year. Got it.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Right.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Then--

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

We will see quarterly improvement for next year as well.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Sequential improvement. The second thing is just on CapEx. This year, you are already spending, based on what you reported just now, you have already been spending 80%-90% of your annual budget, which has been revised up twice year-to-date to $10.5 billion on CapEx. Would you be able to provide some update on that since there are still a few months to end this year? Looking into 2027, how should we think about that trajectory? As one of your foundry partner also just now announced to buy another panel fab. Should we also expect similar acquisition of the fabs or the facilities by ASE as well, and also more equipment procurement in the next couple of quarters to meet your customers' demand?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Yes. As I said, space continues to be one of the constraints that we have, and we are aggressively seeking for suitable existing plants for us to buy. But competition is pretty keen, and there are really not that many suitable factories for us to pursue at this point. So it's an ongoing effort that we are putting in. Also for this year's CapEx, we are increasing our CapEx for the year from $10.5 billion to $11.5 billion now. We're adding another $1 billion.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Of that $1 billion, half of it will be for facilities as we continue to fill up our new factories.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

I see.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

The other half will be for equipment, 60% of it will be for LEAP, and 40% will be for the mainstream events.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. On the overall pricing environment across your LEAP versus the mainstream packaging and testing business, how should we think about since the supply-demand is still pretty tight?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Sorry to stop you there.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

You are on question number three.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Oh, sure.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

[crosstalk]

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Sure. Thank you so much.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Thank you very much.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. Okay. I'll be back in the queue.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Gokul Hariharan of JPMorgan.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. A couple of follow-ups from my side. Thanks for the opportunity. Joseph, I think you mentioned CapEx $ 11.5 billion, higher by $ 1 billion. Could you give an opinion on what you're thinking CapEx is going to look like next year? Are we still in an upward-sloping curve for CapEx? Could you also talk a little bit about, are you entering into any prepayment arrangements or anything like that with customers, given a lot of this new CapEx seems to be targeted at some of the key customers itself? Yeah, that's my first question.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Gokul, you are looking for an update on our CapEx outlook going forward.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, any funding arrangements that you have prepaid.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Yeah, the funding sources around it.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, we will continue to see very strong demand coming in, and we do have a very strong process for next year as well. At this point, I believe the CapEx spending for next year will be even larger than this year as we continue to ramp up our capacity. Also, in terms of R&D, we will continue to make the necessary investment to carry our missions. Funding-wise, we do have multiple cost-effective sources for us to raise funds to support our growth. I think, at this point, we will not be shy from making the necessary investment to support the expansion. I think for next year, we will continue to see negative cash flow. I think this thing will be balanced off in due course.

In terms of, as I mentioned, multiple funding sources, that will also include some of this trade financing that we can arrange with our different customers.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Understood. The second question is on the test business. Could you characterize the growth of the test business going into next year? Final test versus chip probing. I think, how constrained are you on test versus packaging? If you think about a relative scale, is the constraints on test bigger than packaging from a facility or equipment perspective?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Gokul, you're looking for an update in terms of looking at the test business going into next year, in terms of the growth rates relative to what we're seeing in terms of the market. Is that correct?

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah. Or related to packaging and related to constraints related to packaging as well.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I think the same pattern will likely in third and fourth quarter of this year, it will repeat into next year. I think, in terms of assembly, the growth rate should outpace tests, given the limited resource that we have. Also for tests, under the current resource constraints, we will need to prioritize our investment to more on wafer probe rather than final test.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Would you say test is more constrained in terms of your capacity versus demand compared to packaging, or it is largely similar?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I think it's mostly space. I think the space that we use for assembly is more efficient than tests at this point. So, given the constraint, we will put our priority on assembly, and for test will be for wafer sort.

Gokul Hariharan
Analyst, JPMorgan

Understood. That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Haas Liu of BofA.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, yeah. Hi. Thanks for taking my question again. I think just a quick follow-up on the CapEx. A couple of your peers, including the one in Korea and also your foundry partner, mentioned that they are preparing for a significant or meaningful step-up on the CapEx for next year. Given this is the third time of CapEx upper revision for the year for ASE in 2026, do you also expect a similar statement to hold for your CapEx for next year? You already mentioned that next year's CapEx will be higher than this year, but just wondering whether that kind of aggressiveness will be applied to ASE as well.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, you're looking for a characterization of how we view next year's investments.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. In a qualitative way as compared to your peers' comment for a meaningful step-up or just significantly higher than this year's CapEx. Do those statements also hold true for your CapEx outlook?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, generally, we don't necessarily view our own CapEx relative to competitors or, I guess, peers in the market. In general, we do see that CapEx going into next year. We do see a lot of opportunity in terms of the business that will be available to us. As Joseph previously mentioned, we will not be shy in terms of investing to get at that business. Does that answer your question?

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, yeah. Just a related follow-up on the CapEx one is probably more specifically on the CPO that one of your key customers, last week in its Germany event, said it will hike CPO capacity by 15% next year at your facilities, then double again in 2028. Would you be able to share more detail on that? What is your role in CPO packaging and testing, what is the related CapEx you expect to spend, and how should we expect or quantify the related revenue contribution from that part of the business in the next few years from CPO based on your customer statement?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, you're looking for a clarification in terms of the potential joint press release that we--

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

--had with our customer on CPO.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yes.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, I don't think we will comment on specific product or specific customer. Only thing is, overall, I think we are the most active participant in the whole CPO effort and joining with our foundry partner as well as our customer. Just from the business that we are projecting to have from our customers, we're expecting to generate more than $0.5 billion worth of revenue coming from CPO for next year.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

For next year. Okay. My second question would be just on the pricing environment across your LEAP business and also the mature or mainstream packaging and testing business. It seems that the supply chain is actually happening across the board. Will you be able to share some detail on how that pricing improvement has been helping your gross margins improvement in the third quarter? Into 2027, how should we expect that the price negotiation with your customers at this stage to help your gross margins expansion beyond the product improvement?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, I will not comment on pricing except we will continue to look for the most suitable pricing strategy depending on the situation. All I can say is overall, I think both for LEAP as well as for general market, I think we are in a very pricing-friendly environment at this point.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Could you also just try to quantify the--

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, I think you are on question number four.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. I thought you just caught all of that. Okay. Yeah, I will be back in the queue .

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Charlie Chan of Morgan Stanley.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Oh, hi. Good afternoon, Joseph, Ken, and [Iris]. Thanks for taking my question. Just a quick follow-up. Thanks for disclosing your CPO revenue. If we may, can we know roughly is the testing cost, for example, insertion three, insertion four, bigger revenue contribution or on-substrate a bigger contribution for that $0.5 billion revenue contribution?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I won't be able to comment on that, sorry.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, no worries. Secondly, I think as you mentioned, you wouldn't hesitate to invest in space, capacity, whatever, to gain share, right? But recently, there seems to be some industry dynamic that one of TSMC's subsidiary, they're also getting into the on-substrate business. Do you think there is demand overflow or it is a real competition to your on-substrate business?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Charlie, you're asking for commentary in terms of competition within our LEAP business.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yeah, because now it seems like demand is not an issue. My question is that who seems to have the space can really gain share, right? Is that a fair comment? Because one of the TSMC's subsidiaries ordering lots of equipments. We are a little bit worried whether there is a gain share at expense of ASE.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

It is kind of sensitive to talk about a foundry partner's subsidiary situation. All I can say is, given the scale--

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Right.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

--I think we are really the dominant player in this field. Whatever competition, I think is out of necessity from our foundry partner as well as our customers.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Right.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

At this point, I don't think it will move the needle that much in terms of the overall market share kind of situation. As I said, we are still in a catch-up mode, trying to supply as much as we can to meet the demand. I think that is all I can say at this point.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got you. At least there wouldn't be any so-called price competition. It's like demand is too big, whoever can squeeze more space or capacity can gain share, but don't worry about pricing and margin.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

I think the sheer scale difference is I don't think a price war will be created.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Makes sense. Thank you. If I may, non-AI. We start to pick up some negative points, PC and smartphone order cuts as a wafer front end. Except for iOS ecosystem. Joseph or Ken, can you share your observation about non-AI part of business and how that is going to impact your midterm outlook? Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, at least for this year, I think the general market growth is way ahead of our expectation in the earlier part of the year. I think we will have more than 20% growth in our general market business as well. We all understand that your cell phone and PC is going through a very soft period given the high component prices that is kind of hurting the overall demand. But that is more than compensated by the recovery of our automotive and industrial, and more importantly AI accelerator chips requirement. So we are seeing--

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

We are seeing very strong growth in this year for general market, and we are expecting that to happen again next year as well.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you. Sorry for kind of asking questions so late. I was experiencing some technical issue, but thanks for all the answers. Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

No problem. Thank you.

Charlie Chan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from Sunny Lin of UBS.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Hello. Thank you for taking my follow-ups. I have a question on very high level, what is your view on CPO versus NPO? Besides CPO, could ASE also capture the opportunity in NPO as well? Based on your commentary, will it be fair to say that based on the current visibility, it is fair to say that 2027 CPO will be able to ramp up, even with still some technical challenges or optimization that I understand you need to go through?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Sunny, you are looking for an update in terms of how we view the CPO versus NPO market, and then our capability to ramp up to support CPO going forward. Is that correct?

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Yeah. Or maybe just CPO as a technology. Is it mature enough to start mass production for your key clients in 2027?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Yes. As I mentioned earlier on CPO, we are expecting mass production. We already started mass production in quarter four , and that will continue into 2027. As we are projecting at this point, we are looking at over half a billion worth of revenue coming from CPO. In terms of NPO and CPO, I think they will both coexist, and it is just a matter of difference in terms of overall performance between the two different types of packages.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

And for NPO, will ASE be able to capture as well?

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

If there is real demand, yes, of course, we will be a major player in that.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Thank you. A quick question on EMS. Looking at the share, seasonality is a bit different. How should you think about the growth going to Q1? Typically, Q1 should be a down quarter as the build moderates. This time around, the flagship Sparkle clients are also launching for lower-end models going to early 2027. All things considered, how should we think about your EMS business maybe going to our first half of 2027?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Sunny, you are looking for the seasonal pattern of our EMS business, as potential underlying customer products change their timing of release. Is that correct?

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Right. Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, we'll continue to expect for some growth going into 2027 as well for EMS business. I think the main focus will be on the high-performance computing. At this point, it represents roughly mid-teens of our overall EMS revenue, and we're seeing that ramping up pretty rapidly. Communication-wise or consumer-wise, at this point, relative to computing, it's weaker. All in all, I think our EMS will continue to move into optical, silicon photonics, and power-related type of devices. Also, of course, AI-related business that we'll be focusing on. Yes, we do expect further growth, particularly in the AI-related part of the business.

Sunny Lin
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Thank you.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Thank you.

Operator

Next, we have Haas Liu of BofA coming back again. Haas?

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Hi. Yes. Thanks. It is me again. I am just wondering if you could provide more clarity on the gross margins improvement third quarter. How much of that is coming from the product mix improvement versus the like-for-like price hike and the mainstream business? And your utilization improvements. Because if we look at the trend in the past eight quarters or seven quarters, that you already have experienced two step-ups on the gross margins, back in the second half of last year and now in the third quarter this year, there is another step up. As you accelerate your LEAP business, I think, going forward, in addition to the question I just had now on the third quarter gross margins breakdown from the relative benefits, I think just going forward, may I also check on your expectation whether that kind of gross margins improvement will further accelerate through 2027?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, you are looking for further clarification in terms of what has caused our margin pickup during the third quarter, and then whether those types of improvements are sustainable going forward.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yes. That is right.

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

Well, third quarter margin improvement is largely because of the LEAP ramp-up as well as overall improvement in utilization across the board, including the general market or mainstream packages and tests. Going forward, as we continue to ramp up our LEAP business and having a healthy growth on the general market business as well, I think, yes, we will continue to see sequential improvement in our margin on a quarterly basis going into next year.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. I think just a follow-up on the application mix that in the third quarter, your computing business seeing a nice ramp. Would you be able to share more detail on that? What are the key applications are you targeting in that segment in the next one to two years between GPUs, CPUs, ASICs, and networking switches?

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Haas, you're looking for an answer in terms of the composition of our compute business.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

That's right.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Is that correct?

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. And your targeted application in the next few years between GPUs, CPUs, ASICs, and networking switches.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

I don't know if we can comment so specifically. Yeah. I think from a targeting perspective, we should be targeting everything. [inaudible]

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

We can't be particularly specific. But in terms of our technologies, we do hope to be able to address all applicable products within that high-performance computing section.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Thank you very much.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Do you have another question, Haas?

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

No, I am good for now. Thank you.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Okay. I think you are the last question then.

Haas Liu
Analyst, Bank of America

Oh, okay.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Do we have any other questions online?

Operator

No. No more questions.

Ken Hsiang
Head of Investor Relations, ASE Technology

Thank you, everyone, for attending the call. Joseph, do you want to--

Joseph Tung
CFO, ASE Technology

We had a fabulous third quarter, and we will continue to see strong momentum going to fourth and into next year. We will make the necessary investment to support the overall expansion, and we will continue to expect good results for the fourth quarter as well as for next year. Thank you very much.