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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Feb 13, 2019

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Barrick 2018 fourth quarter results conference call. During the presentation, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. At this time, during the conference, should you need operator assistance, please press star and zero. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded, and a replay will be available on Barrick's website tonight, February 13, 2019. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mark Bristow, Chief Executive Officer of Barrick. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Thank you very much. I think it's working. Morning, everyone. Welcome. As you've seen, we're starting something new now, face-to-face quarterlies. I'm sure we're going to get better at this as we go along. A warm welcome to the people on the call, wherever you are. We have structured it so that our investors across the globe are able to participate at a reasonable hour. Those who have phoned in, particularly from London and Africa, you're all very welcome. You'll see that the presentation today is a little different than what it'll be in the future. As you know, we closed the transaction on the 1st of January. The reports for quarter four and 2018 are separate. That's why you've got these two different documents. Then we've put a wrapper together to pick up on the forward-looking business.

I'm going to present the results in that format, but at the same time, I'm going to, as we flow through the assets, also give you some color of how far we've got in the short time that we've been officially together and give you a feel of the road ahead for each of the assets. As you know, it's been barely seven weeks since this merger of Barrick and Randgold became effective. What I am able to tell you that in that short time, we've made a really strong start towards our goal of becoming the world's most valued gold company. I'm sure sometimes that's lost on you, but valued means we want everyone to understand that we're a business driven both value creation and also valued as a partner and an operator in our host countries.

For both John and I, when we were motivating this transaction, we were very clear about that the aim was never to be bigger. It was to combine world-class assets with world-class people in a business capable of sustainable, profitable growth and industry leadership. My first priority has therefore been to see that we have teams and structures fit for purpose. We've made a lot of progress in this regard, as I'm sure you'll get to appreciate as we go through this presentation. We've now got fully functional regional executive teams with North America, that's the U.S., Canada, and Alaska, being driven by Catherine and her team. Latin America, led by Mark Hill and his team, and Africa led by Willem Jacobs and his team.

Without a doubt, every one of them are making very significant progress in effecting our new strategy, which again, I would point out, we created through a series of consultations with the senior executive leadership of both organizations going back as far as July last year. This is not a business that's been hatched by two individuals, but it's been sold and motivated to the future leadership of this organization. Supporting these executive teams is a new corporate team with a mix of skills and experience, which I believe when you put it all together on a side-by-side analysis, there is not another resource company on this planet that has the depth and breadth of skills that Barrick can boast today.

The corporate office and its satellites have been restructured to move people and functions such as the innovation and digital departments out of the back rooms and into the operations where they belong. Those short little historical cries about us closing down stuff is unfounded. We really put people back to where they're supposed to be to ensure that we do lead properly in the mining industry. Mining plans are being moved, and we talked about this in the announcement, from a cash flow optimization base to a model focused on optimizing the ore body and using input costs to drive the margin and design rather than high-grading revenue to drive the free cash flow. To this end, there are now mineral resource management teams at each of the mines. I would say that probably with one exception, they're all new in the leadership.

At the same time, all our systems are being revised to give management the kind of real-time data access we had at Randgold. All in all, this strategically repositioned Barrick is beginning to take shape that is in line with my vision and what an agile and effective modern mining company should be. I can assure you it's been hard work and a little bit of stress, but we're at that point now where certainly I can speak for myself, starting to have a lot more fun and I've got no doubt that you'll see the benefits of a really motivated and energized management team going forward. You need to read this, please? We used to put it at the back of the presentation, but as you'll get to know, I've become a very compliant person.

We turn now to the results for the past year, starting with the pre-merger Barrick. We'll deal with that, and as I say, I'll also touch on looking ahead under each section. The annual dividend, as you know, was increased by 33% on the back of a strong cash flow and total debt, gross debt was reduced, leaving Barrick with a strong liquidity position and certainly a balance sheet that's imminently manageable. The injury and environmental incident rates both came down, a significant achievement in an industry with inherently high risk. On the new business front, exploration and project development in Nevada and the Dominican Republic delivered some exciting potential, and I will expand on that as we go.

A reality check on the value of certain assets, which did necessitate some impairments, as well as the derecognition of deferred tax assets, which you've got the detail in your packs, resulted in an attributable loss for the year. I'll touch on the impairments as we go through the presentation. Copper and gold production for the year were in line with guidance, as was the all-in sustaining cost for each. Here you can see the salient financial results, which reflects the operating performance and my earlier comments. Total capital expenditure at $1.4 billion was at the bottom of the guidance range. The group, as I pointed out in the introductions, health and safety performance continued to improve, which is very encouraging, as the five-year trend on this bar chart shows.

Now I'll start with the operational review, and we'll begin in Nevada, which is now being operated as a single complex under a new executive general manager. Catherine has rearranged the management team, and so for those who know Randgold, it's a bit like Loulo and Gounkoto but on steroids. We have dedicated managers in place now for each mine. That's Goldstrike, Cortez, and Turquoise Ridge, and we've got a new leadership structure as well in Gold Rush Fourmile Project. Within this complex gold production at Cortez, as we've been messaging you, and we certainly did that at the transaction as well, is transitioning from largely an open pit to predominantly underground, and from processing predominantly oxide ore to a mixture of oxide and more refractory material. Lower throughput at the oxide mill reduced gold production for the year.

That Cortez open pit will come to an end during the year. Actually, it comes to an end in quarter two, and then we'll process some dumps after the end of the year. I would just also point out that when you see the cost increase for this year in our 12-month forecast, that's the driver. I would add that all the other parts of the Nevada complex are all delivering an increase in production and a significant drop in costs, but not enough to mask the change forecast for the Cortez open pit. That will change as we develop the Crossroads pit. It's a longer change because the most optimum way of developing the Crossroads pit results in a steady increase in grade that eventually peaks out in 2025. Again, we've indicated that this result, we're seven weeks into the program.

We've got a good handle on this year's production, and during the year, we will be updating you with, as those who know me are clear about, as a detailed five-year plan going forward. The other aspect of our work in all the various operations, and in particular in Nevada, is that we've really focused in on mineral resource management. As I pointed out in the introduction, we have a full new team there. The same with brownfields and greenfields exploration, because moving back, that was one thing that we shared with you and that was short, is that with the drive for cash flow, there was the geological side of the legacy Barrick was not where I wanted to be.

We are moving towards planning based on life of mine, on geological models, a very big drive on reconciliation on a weekly basis. We'll eventually get that as we have in Africa to a reconciliation on a daily basis. Within the Cortez District, Goldrush and the nearby Fourm ile discovery have been combined into one project. There are still two different parts of that project at this stage, with the Goldrush being the sort of feasibility-driven project. Every indication is it's going to be a continuous ore body. We've drilled out. We've got a gap between the two, Fourmile and Goldrush, of about 500m left. We've drilled some holes just recently. We haven't got results back from them, but certainly the indication is that that mineralization continues.

The development of the twin exploration declines at Goldrush continue, and these declines are really focusing in on getting into the ore body and to be able to do detailed reserve drilling initially, and then they will also be adapted for operational use later. The feasibility and schedules of the Goldrush Fourmile Project are a very real focus for the new team. As I've said, we've got a new leadership in that project, and we're going to be reshaping, re-evaluating that project. It's a super exciting project. It's a primary discovery, first of all. Secondly, it's already well north of 10 million ounces. We've just announced an endowment in the Fourmile section, a small resource based on the drilling we've done to date, but at a very impressive grade of 18.58 grams a ton.

It's within a very significantly mineralized footprint, and certainly underlies the Goldrush Fourmile status as a genuinely world-class, at this stage, feasibility project, and with the very real potential to become Barrick's next tier-1 mine. Again, that's something as a geologist, you go and look at that mineralization and the sort of level of intersects and grade is just spectacular. Staying in Nevada, Turquoise Ridge is continuing its production ramp up, and the focus is on accelerating this through the greater and more efficient use of roadheader technology. Again, a whole re-look at all the underground mines with respect to geotechnical, the parameters, and redesign of the various mining methods.

We've got no doubt that the shaft is on track, on budget, and that by its very self will bring down costs, but the focus is how do we bring down costs at Turquoise Ridge ahead of the shaft commissioning out in 2022. At the same time, under the new TMA agreement with Twin Creeks, we are ramping up the tonnes processed, which will continue to support the gold production growth at Turquoise Ridge. The mineral resource management and mine planning, again, has been re-energized and is focused on ore body optimization, and exploration has the task of replacing the mined ounces. Even though we're still ramping up, with our whole culture of investing in our future, we've already challenged the exploration team to get out there and work on replacing the gold that we're going to mine.

We're also looking to appoint a very specific underground mining manager at Turquoise Ridge as part of the new management structure, the former manager, Henry, a very talented South African general manager, will be moving to lead the Cortez business unit. We'll replace him with somebody who's very focused, because Turquoise Ridge is effectively an underground mining project rather than an integrated gold mine. Over now to the Dominican Republic, I'm still practicing how to say PV in Spanish, so if you'll excuse me, I'll refer to it as PV. That, just because it's got a short name, doesn't mean it isn't a really significant tier 1 asset in our portfolio. Of course, one of the lowest cost profiles in the legacy Barrick portfolio as well. It's not only a very important asset for Barrick, it's also the most significant contributor to the Dominican Republic economy.

There's still a lot of upside at this asset, the team is very focused on delivering its full value and expanding its current reserves. We've recently finished a scoping study and pilot plant, which support the expansion of what is really one of the world's largest gold mines. Based on this work, we are now progressing towards a feasibility study, this expansion project is designed to deliver a life of mine well into the 2030s, allowing the mine to maintain annual production of approximately 800,000 ounces per year after 2022, where things were originally going to drop off. Also as part of that project is the conversion of the generators from heavy fuel to gas, which again, drives the cost down. All in all, a really exciting project to work with and right up Rod Quick and John Steele's street.

Part of what we bring is some real proven process flow sheets as far as ultra-fine grind and the more tank-driven oxidation processes rather than the current envisaged leach process. In Argentina, the picture is more challenging with the Argentine government's currency devaluation and consequential changes in the fiscal regime impacting on the fair value of the asset, which as you will see in the pack, has resulted in an after-tax impairment of $314 million. In order to restore Veladero, we have to really reinvent the way we've been operating it. Again, Mark and his team have already gone a long way to decide what we need to do, we're currently rolling the new reshaping of both the leadership and the focus on how we operate at that very high altitude.

Cost discipline and increased efficiencies is what the operation needs, in addition to a real heavy dose of geological input. As a first step, I've sent in some geological firepower as well as a mineral resource management review team to get a firm grip on the situation and find the best way forward. There are some significant potential resources that currently fall outside the current pit, which need evaluating, that is the focus of the combined Barrick Shandong review team. Again, we've embraced Shandong as a partner and really started to get them involved as an active joint venture partner. On the cost side, we are again working in partnership with Shandong to lower the overall cost structure by one, improving management oversight, right-sizing the G&A as we've done here on the corporate, focusing on supply chain and other operational efficiencies.

We've got a project which is a very exciting project to bring cheap power in from Chile. In the Pascua Lama project, Barrick spent money to bring power to the border of Chile and Argentina. We're looking at extending that infrastructure to be able to because it's right there, and Veladero relies on very expensive thermal power today. As already indicated, we are continuing to work with Shandong on other opportunities that the team has identified along the El Indio belts. I'll touch on that a little bit later. We're also developing a new plan for Lagunas Norte, our Peruvian operation, following the suspension of the plan to sell all Barrick's assets in that country.

Peru has a new government, as you know, or you should know, which is more mining friendly than its predecessor. It remains a key destination for Barrick in its endeavor to revitalize its greenfields exploration into South America. The new objective is to update the geology and the ore body models, assess the satellite oxide potential, and focus on extending the known high-grade sulfide mineralization all in the same pit, and as I indicated, in some satellite pits. The outcome of these exercises will enable us to determine the future of this business. Right now, we'll be running down the oxide reserves. I'm much more comfortable that when we get to the end of that, and we're looking at some extension potential, we'll put that mine on care and maintenance and finish the job on the sulfide properly before deciding how we continue.

Again, you'll see in the impairments the CMOP project, which is a project focused on processing the more refractory ore, which is both in stockpile and still sits in the pit. It doesn't meet our criteria. It has the potential to get close to it, if not meet it, if we were able to drill out some more reserves. In the interim, we have impaired those stockpiles going forward so that we again start with a clean slate going forward. As for Pierina, the closure program is well advanced. In addition to the site-focused work streams, the numerous support offices in Chile, Peru, Argentina, and the Dominican Republic have been downsized to reflect the new lean operating model.

At Porgera, we have engaged with our partners and are fully aligned on the path forward for the approval of the new SML, that's the mining lease extension due in August 2019. As with a number of the Barrick assets, Porgera has been a little neglected and certainly starved of capital for many years due to the uncertainty around the SML extension. 2019, in fact, Mark and myself and the team leave for Porgera tonight. It's the only asset I haven't spent any time on, so we're going to have a good look and meet with the PNG government and so on. Our focus this year, 2019, is to assess the full potential of this asset and decide on a go-forward plan with that project.

There's one thing that is absolutely clear, is that this asset keeps producing positive cash flows despite the challenges it has to face. We all know that part of the world is home to many world-class deposits. While Barrick was managing down its debt, there was a necessary but somewhat single-minded focus on cash flows, as I pointed out in my introduction. One of the consequences of this was the relative neglect of exploration in Latin America, where we have now revitalized our exploration programs and are actively pursuing brownfields and greenfields opportunities which are presented to you. Here, I'll just give you a simple example, that Alturas project. I think this has got a There. That's about 8 million ounces, did you say, when you combine them across the border at over a gram, very low strip ratio, high altitude, of course.

That's the sort of size of projects that we have in our portfolio. For a geologist, it's like being a kid in a candy store. We also, you would've noticed, announced an increased investment and a strategic alliance with Reunion through which we plan to establish ourselves, as we've talked about for some time, both Barrick and Randgold, in the very prospective and underexplored Guiana Shield. Copper assets in the group had a better year in 2018 with Jabal Sayid, which is a very tightly run operation and relatively high grade for a copper deposit, where it completed the underground development and is now primarily mining ore rather than focusing on development. The challenge with this asset is now to ramp up to its 2.5 million tons per annum nameplate.

In the meantime, it makes a fair contribution to profits, generates good cash flow, even at our long-term commodity price of $2.75. As part of that, we've renewed the contract mining there and all the new equipment has been ordered, that project is definitely one that you don't have to worry too much about, although we will be continuing to sweat some of the costs out of that mine. The Lumwana asset performed well in quarter four, had some significant throughput and mining challenges through the year. It is a low-grade mine, although it's very large, cost control and efficiencies are critical to its profitability. We've had a team up there spending time. Again, it's an asset that was largely left out of everyday supervision.

As part of the focus on cash flow, stripping has been neglected or pushed out a bit in the plan, stripping has now become critical to maintain the operation. You would've seen the debate in the press about us engaging with the Zambians to make sure that everyone understands this is a national asset, and it needs to be run in such a way that we can continue to support the Zambian economy as this mine has done for many years so far. Zaldivar produced 29.3 million pounds of copper, we are busy trying to metricize Barrick, particularly in Nevada. We also had 13,300 tons of copper in Q4. That was 5% up on Q3, produced 47,300 tons of copper for 2018.

That mine experienced issues associated with a fixed and mobile plant throughout most of the year, although the throughput improved significantly as we got on top of it in the last quarter. Focus for 2019 will be on improving the availability of both fixed and mobile plants, more importantly, executing the secondary sulfide project, which will all go hand in glove with the extending the pit and mining more and more of the transitional ore. Focus on these three areas will also ensure better efficiencies and improved production, as I said, as the pit expands. These are the Barrick reserves and resources, calculated on a pre-merger basis, so under Barrick's specifications, where they use, or they used a $1,200 gold price to calculate reserves.

In the course of this year, we'll be rationalizing both the legacy Barrick and legacy Randgold's criteria, combining the declarations by the end of the year in a single set of assumptions. You need to appreciate, you can't just go into a mine plan and say, okay, it's calculated at $1,200 and change the gold price to $1,000 because you don't get an optimum plan. You've got to replan the whole mine. We're busy with those replanning and we will coalesce the metrics at which we calculate reserves. Attributable proven and probable reserves are down principally on the back of the depletion of the Cortez Hill open pit, as I indicated earlier, and also the right sizing of the Bulyanhulu underground reserve. The most important thing, and this is what makes us a standout company, is that the total grade has increased.

This is off the back of material added during the year being over four grams a ton. Although it's a small increase, it's actually quite significant because there's a lot of tons in this table. Again, you'll see as we get our head around it, this is the really exciting thing for Barrick. I'll just touch on one little thing that really excites me, is that if you look at the Barrick reserves in Nevada, Jess, the average grade is about 3.5 g a ton, which is significantly higher than anyone else. More importantly, the resources, correct me, Rob, they're about 5.5.4-something grams a ton. The resources in Nevada. Yeah. I know it is. When you look at it, the resources are very profitable.

The conversion and the reason is because of the resources in Turquoise Ridge and more importantly, the resources in Gold Rush and Fourmile. As we convert that reserve base is going to grow both in ounces and in quality. That's the whole game in gold mining, as you know. You start with world-class assets, you deliver world-class businesses. Let's move back then or on to Randgold Resources. These are the highlights for the quarter and 2018 for Randgold. This company took an emotional bow, but with a flourish, presenting shareholders with a 35% rise in the annual dividend and boosting its cash on hand to $750 million at year-end with no debt. It's worth pointing out that you take out the dividend, you're really still back at about $500 million, which is what our policy was.

We rolled that $500 million into Barrick as we close. That's largely driven by stellar performances from Kibali and Loulo-Gounkoto, which helped offset the impact of a protracted illegal strike at Tongon. Group production for the year of 1.28 million ounces was just 1% below guidance. Again, as you know, we don't run our businesses for the quarter, but for the long term. So those strikes, you don't want a high grade Tongon, so we had to manage our way through that challenge. Total cash costs per ounce were in line with forecasts. The earnings, as you see here, were impacted by the Barrick merger costs, as well as we added an additional tax accrual for the Mali mediation process. Like Barrick, Randgold had a good health and safety year, decreasing the total injury frequency rate to a new record low.

The Loulo-Gounkoto complex in Mali, one of New Barrick's tier 1 assets, delivered a record throughput at the reserve grade. Again, that's important. We are mining these assets at reserve grade, despite, as I pointed out, some industrial action right at the end of the year. It continues to invest in its future and through such developments as the new super pit at Gounkoto, and ongoing brownfield exploration successes points to a life of mine in excess of 10 years, and certainly potential to continue to replace what we mine. The Loulou-3 open pit and underground project is particularly promising and a preliminary economic assessment has been completed. As I've mentioned before, the discovery of this high-grade shoot located between relatively close face drilling on the 10 km long Yalea structure highlights the potential for additional discoveries along and outside the known ore bodies.

The Loulo district has been one of the most prolific producers of world-class gold deposits in the last three decades, and it's certainly still extremely prospective both for extensions which has driven the Loulo has been around since 2005, and it's continually added and replaced ounces at better grade. There's a renewed focus across the river in Senegal, with our Bambadji joint venture with IAMGOLD. It's a very exciting project and as you know, geology never stops at international boundaries. Tongon in Côte d'Ivoire has faced many challenges in its life, as you know, including a crippling illegal strike in quarter three , from which it emerged strongly to end the year in line with its revised production guidance. Really this mine when it works, it works really well, thanks to an excellent management team.

Despite its problems, it's worth noting that it's been consistently profitable and it's a very material cash generator for our group. As at the other operations, we continue to explore our mine for extensions to the main structure and satellites with the potential to add to the life of mine. Again, Côte d'Ivoire combines geological potential. It's relatively underexplored with a advanced infrastructure, certainly again relative to the surrounding countries and particularly in the north of the country. So it's a key exploration focus for our team, going forward. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kibali delivered another stellar performance. It's our fifth mine that we've built that has delivered on all its nameplates. Production exceeded our guidance significantly and was 35% ahead of last year's production. Kibali is one of the most mechanized mines in the Barrick stable with a mission control system.

We have our whole underground ore handling logistics gets managed without any human intervention apart from the person sitting on surface operating. This has been key to the successful ramp-up of our underground production. We've also seen a steady increase in recoveries up to the 89% recovery, which is the nameplate design and the feasibility study. Continuing brownfields exploration, as is with all our mining operations, continues to identify numerous opportunities for reserve replacement and in particular, some new open cast opportunities, which is an important component of the processing plant feed because the predominant driver of value in Kibali is underground, but it's limited on rate of production. Additional open cast ore on the margin is a significant boost of both production and profits.

Over in Senegal, the feasibility study on Massawa has been completed. It certainly confirms that Massawa, as I've said for some time, is one of the best, if not the best undeveloped projects in Africa. It's now banked, it's a very detailed full feasibility study. The study's findings are summarized here on this slide. You'll see a bit shy on our filter under the $1,000 gold price, but still very profitable. You can see how quickly it grows its returns at $1,200 and $1,400 gold. The permit under the permit conditions had required us to complete the study and file for a mining permit by the end of January, which we've done.

At the same time, that process is going to take time to finalize the mining permit. We are continuing our brownfields exploration drive because we're certainly not short yet of opportunities to continue to expand this project. Finishing off, this is the Randgold Annual Reserves and Resources report. Although the proven and probable reserves were partially replaced, the grade improvement was significant, some 6% increase in grade. That's our focus, is quality. It was really driven by Yalea underground extensions, where we added 418,000 ounces at 10 g a ton. Randgold resource numbers, just would point out they report differently to Barrick. They're part of the reserve fits into the resource, that's why it's side by side. Group research sources, we're just below and mostly replaced what we mined. Again, that's the process in the long term.

Ultimately, we've been able to continue to replace the ounces. There's a lot of visibility in the resource profile of Loulo. We've got no doubt that in the fullness of time it will continue to perform as we have in the past. As discussed during the Investor Roadshow in November last year, one of the key opportunities we identified in this combination, apart from just the putting a great team together and dominating the tier 1 asset portfolio in the industry, was in respect of inventory management and supply chain. Again, we've done a lot of work on this already in the short time we've been at it. To this extent, we see visibility to reduce the costs, that's annual spending on procurement by $200 million by the end of 2020. $50 million of that is in the budget already, it's embedded in our forecast.

There's another $90 million that we believe we'll deliver this year, the remaining $60 million will come in in 2020. By the way, as well as that, we again believe that we'll be able to take out around $150 million in inventory management, just stores management, again, unlocking some working capital through this year. I think when you look at what we've achieved out of the blocks, it's worth pointing out that this is on the back of the significant reduction in these specific costs, particularly admin and G&A, that the Barrick team had already delivered on during 2018. Looking ahead, this is our guidance for the group for 2019, and the detail is in your pack on a project-by-project basis. I'm sure you will, through the fullness of time, get back to us with your questions.

I pointed out the big drive on this is really the change in the Cortez open pit mining schedule. Again, that will reverse over the next while. What's not baked in this is the ongoing efficiencies and our focus of being ore body-focused going forwards and shifting from cash flow or cut-off grade to cost reduction and building the margin through that reduction and dropping the cut-off grade going forward. We are still working on, as I pointed out, a detailed five-year plan, we'll present this to the market in due course once we have a clearer view on asset optimization, and this is requiring a full re-planning process for the group. You will note we have significantly reduced our corporate and project costs both in 2018 and forecast for 2019, largely driven by a reduction in headcount and other costs outside of the operations.

This will certainly be an area that we will continue to focus on as we progress throughout the year. On a go-forward basis, we have already cut more than $150 million from the corporate cost base. Exploration expenditure is expected to be in line with the prior year. That's despite the fact that we've combined the two companies, and we don't expect to drop any catches on our exploration. I've been a big believer in exploration. You keep it tight, and you force the geology team to prioritize and keep the quality of the targets at a high level. The production guidance for copper is in line with the previous years, as you'll see, and the detail is again published in the documents that you have. Lumwana will continue to engage with the Zambian government and community stakeholders about a mutually beneficial way forward for this operation.

You would have seen that the Minister of Mines did declare publicly through a press release that he's ready to engage with Barrick on a tailor-made tax solution for Lumwana. As a result of the engagement over the last three months, and in particular, our discussions last week in Cape Town at Indaba. At Veladero, we and our partners have agreed to proceed with the proposed expansion project as indicated under the copper report. As I pointed out as well, Barrick Future is really weighted towards underground mining. As you know, that's our core skill in the Randgold team. We have brought in a lot of skills into Nevada, both external and on the leadership side to augment the team there. I've got no doubt that you will continue to see us unlocking value in that part of our business.

Before we close, let me briefly preempt your question on Acacia. The current impasse, as I'm sure you all agree with me, is clearly a lose-lose situation for Acacia shareholders and other stakeholders, which includes Barrick and of course the Tanzanian government. We remain and are engaged in mediating a solution amongst the key stakeholders. I'm confident that this situation will be resolved, as I've said repeatedly in the press, in due course and no doubt for the benefit of all stakeholders. Finally, looking ahead, I always say if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. We have a clear mission. We know exactly where we're going to, and this mission is to be the world's most valued gold mining business.

We're going to do this by finding, developing, and owning the best assets with the best people, and to deliver sustainable returns for our owners and our partners. We plan to do this through applying our key strategic filters. You'll see that we have a set of very clear strategic filters. We have shared this with the market in our investor day, and it'll give you a very clear understanding of how we manage. You can hold us to account on the way we manage our assets going forward. Lastly, we have already streamlined our corporate offices across the group, we will continue to rationalize the organization as we move to a fully integrated business, as well as roll out our systems so that we manage in real time with an agile approach to responding to business challenges and also investing in our future.

Whilst we have already started to develop our ore body knowledge, mobilized an exploration drive to find new opportunities, and reviewed existing assets for optimization or disposal, it's just the start. There will be more to come with additional benefits for sure. We also plan to work at continuing to develop our social license. You know that's very close to my heart, and it's something that's applicable in Africa, in South America, and equally in places like Nevada and around Hemlo, as Catherine and I have discovered. We're going to strengthen our partnerships with our joint venture partners and also with our host governments. To this end, I have already met with the Governor of the San Juan province in Argentina, which is a challenging area for us.

Catherine's already started her meeting schedules with the new leadership in Nevada. We've met with the mayors and the local leadership in and around Hemlo. We will continue to do that on a regular basis. The only reason that you don't find me in an office in Toronto every day is because it's much more important and a lot more fun being in the operations. Over the next quarter, starting tonight, I'll be conducting strategy reviews and team effectiveness exercises as we roll out our group strategy across the operations. The objective of that is to ensure that everyone understands the strategic objectives, our aims, and we turn that into specific plans in each operation.

As you will probably note, we are clearly well out of the starting blocks in this exciting voyage. I'm confident that by the end of this year and throughout this year, we'll be able to report back to you and show you and tick those promises that we've made as we deliver on them. I'm very excited, in case you hadn't observed, by the prospect of putting the Barrick brand back where it belongs, and that is at the head of the gold mining industry. Thank you very much, everyone, for your attention. The process now is that we'll take questions from the call-in people first, Denny, and then we'll open it up to the floor. That gives you a chance to flesh out some questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session . The 1st question comes from John Bridges of JP Morgan. Please go ahead, sir.

John Bridges
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. Thanks for taking my call. Congratulations, Mark. Maybe you're going to be lucky with the Reunion purchase and find an asset in Suriname, which has a Dutch name, which might be easier to pronounce. I was wondering, you've given us a five-year production plan, or at least, sorry, you've given us an outline for 2019. You're in the process of figuring out which assets to keep and which assets are non-core. When do you think you're going to have a firmer outline of what the company is going to look like over the next four or five years? Thank you.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

How's it, John? Next week. I'm only saying that because everyone's terrified that I'm going to give you a date. I'm not. John, we are working on that. Our guidance for this year is 5.1 to 5.6, and that's before disposals. We will adjust that-

John Bridges
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got you

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

as we go. I think, again, I would just leave you with the fact that if you look at the Nevada guidance and you look at the PV guidance and you look at the core assets in Africa and add them up, that's the basis going forward. The assets' production plans are going to be there and thereabout. What we want to do is, of course, is to certainly like in Nevada, there's a lot of work to do on cut-off grades and rolling out the automation, both at Turquoise Ridge and at Goldstrike. We're just starting to see the benefits of the underground, some very significant efficiency improvement in the Cortez underground as we move from the old style Nevada small-scale mining underground to open stope long hole drilling with backfill.

Again, we've got a group of mining engineers and both short-term and long-term planners, along with reviewing the geotechnics because the geotechnical work is being done, but really looking at the rock integrity and the best way to mine some of these ore bodies. That's going to take some time. If you look at Nevada, in each aspect of our business, we're very excited about the work that's been done with the roadheader in Turquoise Ridge and the ability to mine it at a better rate in that rock, which is quite challenging as far as rock goes and support. Already, just as an example, we're changing the support strategy for Gold Rush, and we expect to do similar changes across the group, particularly in Nevada. PV, it's the same. There's definitely opportunities to improve on the cost base and therefore look at the cut-off grades.

As I pointed out, the improved power opportunities are significant. Also the ability, the team is now engaged with the Dominican Republic to sell power because we generate excess power. Again, how we can manage that, it has a benefit on our cost, a significant benefit on our cost, which will again drive our business plan. Also, once we bank the feasibility study, there's some significant resources in the current plan which will immediately become reserves, and we'll unlock them. Again, that'll change the life of mine plan. Veladero right now is all about right sizing.

That was a big operation, and we've focused on gold production, and what we're moving to is a focus on profitability. 500,000 ounces or thereabout is probably for the next couple of years is the right target. Again, we need a lot more geological input to be able to really understand our mining reconciliation and what we're putting on the leach pads. Also, there's a requirement for a new leach pad, which we're busy designing and permitting at the moment. Mark? Yeah.

That will also be important to be able to schedule the mining going forward. Again, we've got some potential for additional resources, right, as I said in my speech, at the southern end of the pit. We've got to drill it. The drill spacing is just too far apart to be able to put that into a mine plan. What I'm trying to show you is that there's a lot of work to do. We're sure that we'll have those detailed plans that we can stand by the end of the year. Should for some miraculous reason we get there earlier, we'll share it with you.

John Bridges
Analyst, JPMorgan

Excellent. Best of luck, Mark.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Mark Magarian of UBS Group. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Magarian
Senior Portfolio Manager, UBS

Hey, Mark. I have just an extension, I guess, of the previous question. It's been said that the portfolio is going to be looked at, and you're going to look at disposals, maybe even look at acquisition opportunities as you start to develop what your long-term vision looks like. Given where the gold price is currently, there are a lot of companies trading below book value, more to do with technical reasons and just a bit of sector hate, even though the gold price has been going up. When you think about Newmont Goldcorp likely to be looking at sending some of their lower quality assets out for sale also.

Timing really comes to my mind, given the history of some good timing and bad timing at Barrick actually in the past. Now is probably a good time to try and buy certain assets which are on sale, while selling some of the non-core stuff might be better to be prudent to maximize shareholder value until the gold price is higher or, I guess, the sector starts to value those assets a little higher. I just wanted some idea on your perspective on that as that's mine anyway.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

As you can imagine, I've got a very full inbox, so is Kevin, of people wanting to be considered in the asset sales. I guess it's also probably equaled by the number of bankers wanting to derive a fee from being able to sell those assets. There's no shortage of energy and support, and potential buyers. The one thing that we've learnt, is it's something we're not going to do in a public forum. Barrick's got no bleeders. We've got a filter process. All the assets that we might consider to bring to account are contributing to the bottom line. As I said when we announced the deal, it's important, one of my responsibilities, and Kevin's even more, is when we sell something, we don't diminish its component in the NAV of the business.

We will do it in the fullness of time. Some of the assets, we've got a bit of work to do to make sure that we maximize the sale value, and we're busy with that. Others are more saleable in the short term. Again, we're not sitting on our hands. That's what I can say on the asset side. On the acquisition side, you say that, Mark, but it's not my experience. If you look at the recent goings-on in the gold industry, there's been a lot of promises that haven't been met and disappointments in forecast production that just haven't been realized. The biggest risk is believing market consensus in trying to buy things.

It's like, I think it was Harry Oppenheimer that said, "Many great gold mining and other mining opportunities have been killed by a borehole." I can say from my own experience, many new business opportunities have been destroyed by a due diligence. We have, and we continue to do regular due diligences. I think even in the short period of the last seven weeks, we've done a couple. We will continue to look at every opportunity that might merit a due diligence.

That filter that you see up there is what's going to drive this business going forward. We're not going to be seduced into making those irrational acquisitions that our industry is so very good at. At the same time, if you stumble and you've got quality, you'll find us at your front door. Right. The focus being on great jurisdiction, high grade, large reserves, and ultimately, when you talk about stumbling, the opportunity for you to bring in your expertise and provide quite significant synergies, I guess, on the underground front or something-

Mark Magarian
Senior Portfolio Manager, UBS

I think the exciting

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

something that you're good at. I think the exciting thing. You guys mustn't underestimate this. Everyone said I couldn't leverage the Randgold way. One of the things we've got is that we've got Catherine Raw's team is really very capable of taking on more challenges. She's got the knowledge, the time, and the capacity to do that. Mark Hill would like to have a few more quality assets, wouldn't you, Mark? In Africa, you've seen how we've assimilated the Barrick assets. We didn't employ one extra person. In fact, we lost a few. This is the exciting part of that. We've got some really exciting projects. They're early stage in the El Indio belt, which we identified as a very prospective place. We would like to expand our exploration initiative in Peru. The most exciting is another gold rush.

Barrick, out of all the companies in Nevada, one, have the ounces quality, and it has the ground. For me, finding another 15 million ounce, +10-gram near-surface gold deposit is myself much more exciting than buying one. I've got no doubt we've got a lot of work to do with the asset base we've got. It's a quality asset base. We are not interested in boasting production. What we want is profitability. Another exciting thing is we've got a very large EBITDA, and we now understand how it's been whittled away to a net cash flow, which even then, still supports our dividend strategy. Again, we're going to be focused on converting that EBITDA into more positive cash flow, net positive cash flow. That's the really exciting part of this business. We're going to be very focused on doing that.

Mark Magarian
Senior Portfolio Manager, UBS

Thanks, Mark. That's great. Good luck.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Kip Keen of S&P Global. Please go ahead.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Thanks for taking my question. I just wondered if you might just give me some general comments on where you think you might be at Barrick in five years or so, looking out at the business in the context of the debt paybacks that have been made in the past five or so years in a bit of a different market. How are you looking out at the next five years?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

The one thing I can assure you is that over the next five years, we're going to deliver on our guidance, which will make us unique. As you know, Randgold delivered on its guidance for 23 years.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Will you be with the company in five years?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Sorry?

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Will you be with the company in five years?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Absolutely. I said five years. I'll say what it takes, but five years is at least. I don't do a deal and then walk off. Remember, I'm invested in this organization personally a lot.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

For sure.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

The other thing is that our focus is about reducing debt and increasing dividends. That's the other focus. If you want to know what's going to happen in the next five years, that's what's going to happen.

For the rest, I'm going to call in the fifth. As I said, we'll tell you a better detailed plan going forward. Again, where you see us and the guidance today, and you look at the cost profile and as Catherine was saying to me when she presented this at the investor days last year, that range of cost actually. The range improves. It doesn't go up. Because as we build out the new open pit resources in Nevada, we claw back on the total all-in sustaining, but at all costs, reduced. Of course, you're already seeing in the granularity in Goldstrike and in Cortez Underground and in Turquoise Ridge, increased production at lower costs. We'll see that continue because we will realize some of the assets that are impeding our ability to deliver more profitability, and fulfill our objective of dropping the debt and increasing the dividend.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

There was some speculation about interest in Pretium Resources. Any thoughts on that particular mine? You haven't mentioned a lot of Canadian assets in this call. Just curious.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

One thing we are is under-invested in Canada. If you're an allocator of capital and you looked at Barrick, it's under-invested. The problem is Canada hasn't got very many. You buy assets because of two things, poorly run or well run. There are not a lot of well-run assets in Canada either. What we have got is a fully dedicated team looking at both opportunities and also looking to build an exploration early-stage project identifier. We will. It's early days still, but we are doing that. Rob's team is working on building and expanding. We've got quite a lot of skills that we can allocate to that team. On Pretium, right now, everyone knows what the problem in Pretium is.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Yes.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

It's been fast-tracked, and it's sitting in a position where it's like a roast duck, no dinner. One month it's good, and one month it's bad. How do you try and get your head around what the real value of an asset like that is? That's the problem that the whole industry is facing when it looks at that asset. Again, it would be unwise for us to do anything in a rushed or poorly considered way, whether it's Pretium or any other asset. It's going to take me a little while to become Canadian. I'm working hard at it, to be able to understand the Canadian opportunities.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

I appreciate that, Mark.

Kevin Thomson
Senior EVP of Strategic Matters, Barrick

Again, we've approached a lot of the advisors in Canada who are much more au fait with the portfolios that are available, and we'll continue to work with them.

Operator

There are no further questions from the phones at this time.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

You got it. Microphone.

Kevin Thomson
Senior EVP of Strategic Matters, Barrick

We would ask that you announce yourself so that the people on the webcast know who's asking the question before your question. Thank you.

Tanya Jakusconek
Managing Director of Gold and Precious Minerals, Scotiabank

Great, thank you. Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Mark, appreciate that you mentioned that we're going to get the life of mine plans later out and as we are going to have the reserves then. Can you talk a little bit, as you look at Barrick's side of the life of mine plans, how they did it versus how you plan and the reserves? Can you talk about what the differences are and where you see bringing those together?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

It's very simple. What we do is we look at the entire ore body. We look at the traditional grade tonnage curves. We look at the mine plan. We balance it against infrastructure capital, and we have an integrated team, and we've already got those in place, all the skills to do that. That's taken us eight weeks. Then we run the iterations, until we get something that really works. In the old, and for many good reasons, as I pointed out, the last three years in Barrick, it's been, we need this cash flow, so we'll adjust the cut-off grade to deliver it. What happens with that is that you do deliver strong cash flow, which you've seen.

I would just point out to everyone here, that decision is the first time in the gold mining industry where somebody has driven the assets to pay back the debt and not just issued a whole pile of paper. The privilege or the opportunity here is we've inherently got upside in the value per share because we don't have a dilution of that asset base. What it does do when you high grade or you drive your cash flow based on a cut-off grade, is that you erode your cost discipline. Again, when things get a little wobbly, you just go to the next highest grade pod. Turquoise Ridge has got, if you drop the cut-off grade by two grams, I think you add just over 1 million ounces, just on what we know now.

Those are the opportunities that we'll look at, and that's the basis on which we'll be doing the plan. That's why it's impossible for us to do that. We have a plan. We've run all the Barrick assets, the legacy assets at $1,000. We know where the gaps are. What happens when you just run it, the current reserve at $1,000, it's not the optimum way. What it does do is it highlights what you have to do to lift the game, to lift the ore body's performance. We've done all that. We're very knowledgeable, as far as our ore bodies go. We all know them better than we knew them a few months ago. Rod and his team, we've got Grigore Simon.

Each region's got a dedicated executive oversight on mineral resource management, which integrates with both the long-term planners and the short-term planners. That's what we're doing, is reestablishing that. In South America, it's a little more challenging because of the drive for cash flow, some of the forward drilling programs have been neglected. There's a bit of catch-up to do. It's the same as we identified in Turquoise Ridge, and that is that just some infill drilling is going to improve our ability to be able to extract the ore body more efficiently. That's what's driving our. That's the difference.

Tanya Jakusconek
Managing Director of Gold and Precious Minerals, Scotiabank

Just to finish up.

You okay with that?

-my question. I did notice that Bulyanhulu had a new life of mine plan, and that was optimized, and I think Casey moved their reserves to 1,200 from 1,100 gold price. Is that an indication that 1,200 is sort of where we're going with the Randgold assets next year?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

If you take Randgold assets and run them at 1,200, you destroy the NAV. It makes no sense. Just to give everyone who doesn't know me, the long-term gold price is actually a cost-driven model. We look at input costs that drive. We use a standard gold model. We like to see about 30% in this particular model, as we've had it for 25 years. We put in the input costs, and it generates between 28 and 30 IRR. When gold price was $450, it used to do that, and now at $1,000, it still does that, but at $1,300, it gives you a higher return. Just recently, we've seen a significant increase in input costs in the industry. We've been on a decline in input costs since 2011.

My gut is that the new norm in our mine planning and allocation of capital will be between the 1,000 and the 1,200. We will do it properly. If that's the case and the cost model is being driven by input costs, then you don't destroy value if you lift the Randgold metric a bit. There's definitely opportunity in the Barrick assets, both because of efficiencies and cost and change in mine methods, but also a replanning at a lower gold price doesn't necessarily mean less ounces at all.

Anita Soni
Managing Director, CIBC

Hi, Anita Soni from CIBC. My question is just with regards to the medium-term outlook at Cortez. Given this year's guidance and also saying that it'll reverse in the next two to three years, will those changes take place next year or will it take?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Sure. I think if you pull the investor documentation that Catherine gave last year at the Investor Day, the logic behind that model is largely intact. That was very clear how it showed the change and the impact on coming to the end at Cortez Hill and the impact of both the move to more efficient open long-haul mining in the Cortez underground and the deep extension. Anyway, I don't want to get caught up in trying to give any other answer, again, the logic behind those plans are intact. We plan to make them more efficient and more focused on long-term optimal delivery rather than a shorter-term cash flow promise.

Anita Soni
Managing Director, CIBC

2nd question would be, are there any assets in particular that you see have been particularly neglected in terms of capital with the focus to cash flow management on the Barrick side?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Barrick's got a big capital demand, $1.4 billion-$1.7 billion this year. It's my real focus. Again, I've got no doubt that we already see that our approach to things, including the approach by the Barrick executive team, which is not the old executive. Remember, it's all very new, it's difficult for me to talk about the old Barrick because there are no more old Barricks here. The young Barrick team and the new team in Barrick have the same view about capital allocation. They were mindful of the importance of discipline on capital. What we do have is a much more focused approach to fit-for-purpose capital rather than over-engineering.

We run our projects ourselves. We know the business really well. We know the controls that are required. I haven't started explaining how we both, the Barrick team and the new team, cut external costs, external consultants and engineering advisory and all that other stuff. It's all come to an end. We're very much more capable of building mines cost-effectively than any external engineering company, that's for sure.

Andrew Quail
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

All right, Andrew Quail with BMO Capital Markets. Mark, how does the process flow sheet changes that took place with your view on Pueblo Viejo-

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Yeah

Andrew Quail
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

impact how you think about that project from a capital perspective? Also from unlocking a very large inventory of resources at the project, you'll be milling, you'll be improving the quality of the tailings that you're disposing. Does that benefit from a long-term tailings management perspective and the ability to unlock those resources?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Yes. Yes to all of that. The flow sheet at the moment in the scoping study was a combination of a reduction in volume and increase in gold feed through a flotation process route. Then a leach oxidation, partial oxidation, just on a leach pad. Then you combine that. You have more gold with less feed, and you increase the current processing capacity by 50%, 8- 12 million tons a year. That's worked. Proof of concept, it works. The challenge is the leach on the heap because, as you know, it's so hard to get a leach uniform, and it takes up space. PV's got limited space. It's one of the biggest open pit mines around, and it's short of actual space to put things. In both Tongon and in Koumri, we have a float circuit and a ultra-fine grind.

We are the leaders in ultra-fine grinding, Randgold. We've taken that technology to another level, and we actually can control the oxidation in that ultra-fine grind because of the inherent heat generation in the process. At the same time, the team at PV have been doing vac leaching or tank leaching, which is also a more controlled environment. If we do away with the leach pad and we put it into a more controlled flow sheet, it's the same cost, more or less. It's much more efficient, and our size of processing plants, both in DRC and in Mali, are what we require as far as processing capacity. We've got a perfect example proof of concept.

The engineers from PV have just been up there to West Africa to have a look at our processing, and we're now busy refining that test work. That'll go towards a feasibility study. Again, in the new team, we're agile, so we don't go through these long phases of scoping pre-feasibility. When you get the thing to work, we will leapfrog a step. We're pretty sure that we'll bring that whole feasibility forward. We've got time because it's 2022 we need it by, Mark?

Andrew Quail
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

2022, we've got time to get it done properly. With that and alternates, we've got a number of options on the tailings storage because at PV, the storage is not just about tailings, it's about the potential acid drainage waste that you got to impound. We've got a number of options on that, and it's with that that we free up the footprint and can push back and coalesce the two pits and unlock a whole lot of resource ounces into reserve. The capital costs, we haven't got to reviewing them, but they're not going to be more than the current estimates for that project.

Andrew Quail
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

One further question, just on Veladero. You're rebasing or you're discussing about a lower production for the next couple of years. I'm just wondering how that project can or that mine can deal with the fixed cost of infrastructure that it has under a lower production setting, and can you give us some insight on how you're going to be able to rebase that operation?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Yeah. The overheads and inefficiencies in that organization are enormous because remember, it's a legacy. It's a carryover from the past Kalama project and no one right-sized it. Mark's already doing that. There's a whole lot of opportunity to reduce. Already it's inefficient. If you look at it on a process cost for $ per ton processed, it's a low-cost producer, and it can be substantially lower.

Greg Barnes
Head of Mining Equity Research, TD Securities

Greg Barnes from TD. Mark, in your initial views of Nevada, and I know there was some talk earlier before you took over about adding processing capacity in Nevada, optimizing the throughput you can do through various roasters and things. What was your view and your initial view there?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

My original view is that that's appropriate, people have been talking about it for years and never done anything. We have made progress in that the TMA, the toll treating agreement, with Twin Creeks for Turquoise Ridge is a 1st step in cooperation and as you know, Newmont's got a 25% share in Turquoise Ridge, and that is a good demonstration of how you can do it. There's more opportunity to improve on that because of the ability to unlock more ounces because you now have joint ownership in an asset like that. When you look at Barrick's forecast going forward, we own the most efficient roaster on this planet in gold mining, down in Goldstrike. That is an important. Its size, it just got better. It's so well done and so well run.

When you look at our forecasts, we have capacity in that roaster going forward. We also have capacity in our autoclaves, the thiosulfate conversion. We're looking at reversing that to a standard autoclave to treat material. Then, we are progressing with the permitting process for a roaster in the Cortez region. Again, we're going to be fully supporting Rob's team in expanding our exploration opportunities in that area. At this stage, our current processing facilities are adequate for the reserves and resources that we've got. Particularly, the one that we can work harder on is the Turquoise Ridge, Twin Creeks partnership.

Greg Barnes
Head of Mining Equity Research, TD Securities

If you're reversing the thiosulfate autoclave, does that mean you're not?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Yeah. We're busy. The acid leach ore, it works really well in that autoclave. The alkaline-rich feed doesn't. We've got a lot of work that we're doing right now with our metallurgists and the process team at Goldstrike to see. We're not achieving the pilot test work recoveries when we put in alkaline-rich ore. The whole process is can we do that? We're doing a lot of test work on that because very soon we start running out of the more acidic material. One of the options is to go back to a traditional autoclave, with a CIL circuit on it, which is there, and we can retrofit it.

Greg Barnes
Head of Mining Equity Research, TD Securities

You wouldn't be processing the lower grade dump stockpiles that are there now?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

No. There are some stockpiles we'll process and some that we've got, it doesn't make sense to process them through a flow sheet that delivers less than 50% recovery. If we can get it above 50%, it works. You're on a chart. Yeah.

Catherine Raw
COO North America, Barrick

It's a whole piece of work to say what are your options so you can still process those stockpiles. Because the alternative is they go through the roaster, but you just prioritize it.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

You don't want to do that because you'd replace-

Catherine Raw
COO North America, Barrick

Exactly.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

-very high-grade ore. And you have-

Catherine Raw
COO North America, Barrick

You have to look at the alternatives, and one of it is to try and get the carbon out before you're putting it through the roaster.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

And you-

Catherine Raw
COO North America, Barrick

There are lots of different alternatives.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Goldcorp Inc. has been doing that. They're floating the carbon off in front and reducing that. That's one of the options. There's a whole study group going on with looking at our. That's going back to the reserve-driven or the geology-driven, all our ore bodies, all our inventory resource inventory and our various facilities and whether they are appropriate in the longer term, to be able to process those reserves. We're looking at that right now. That'll be part of our revised longer-term plan.

Steve Butler
Managing Director of Precious Metals Research, GMP Securities

Mark, Steve Butler at GMP. At Goldstrike and Fourmile, you talked about it being now only half a kilometer to close the gap and the resource there. Rob's team has been working hard on drilling this thing off like crazy in a Goldstrike sense. Is there a projects update we should expect this year or into next year for this feasibility study or similar update?

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

We'll continue to update, but I really want to get away from trying to promise you answers. I mean, how many answers would you like? I can promise you they're there today. This is about getting a full feasibility level job done. The 1st thing is, we're busy with permitting, we're busy with infrastructure. We're re-looking at the whole infrastructure. We need to get some more test work done. This is a classic sort of disseminated carbon alteration on the Goldstrike side, and then you go into this very silicified classic carbon breccias with these eye-watering grades. As you know, that style, it's not continuous. You'll get loads of very high-grade mineralization. The exciting thing is the competency of that rock will allow for bulk mining, underground bulk mining, which is really exciting.

That's just following the recent success in the Fourmile side. Right now the team is relooking at that, relooking at our permitting process, what are the gaps and if there are any, because it's been fairly comprehensively done. We're really looking at the ore handling strategy. There was going to be rails into the declines. We're a little more modern than that. We'll do the trade-offs on other ore handling opportunities, and then how do we manage it at the decline head and how we tie it into the Goldstrike infrastructure?

Also access, because now you've got a bigger target, how do you get into Fourmile without having to bottleneck it through the declines? There's a lot of work to be done, but it's not complicated work. We've got all the skills. As I say, we've now got a dedicated manager of that project. Again, that's something that through this year, I'm pretty sure you'll see a much more optimized plan for both Goldstrike and Fourmile, and I'm convinced we'll prove that there's a geological connection between the two. Right.

Kerry Smith
Mining Analyst, Haywood Securities

Kerry Smith here with Haywood. Were all the redundancy costs expensed in Q4, or should we expect some more costs are going to run through 2019 numbers?

Graham Shuttleworth
CFO, Barrick

Substantially, all of those came through in quarter four. There may be some small amounts coming through in the first quarter, but the bulk was done in 2018.

Kerry Smith
Mining Analyst, Haywood Securities

Okay. There's been some sensitivity around tailings dams recently.

Graham Shuttleworth
CFO, Barrick

Yeah

Kerry Smith
Mining Analyst, Haywood Securities

With what's happening in Brazil. Like, PV is going to have quite a large dam at the end of the day. What have you done there to?

Graham Shuttleworth
CFO, Barrick

Sorry?

Kerry Smith
Mining Analyst, Haywood Securities

Pueblo Viejo will have quite a large dam. What have you done there to sort of satisfy yourself that there's not any issues that could crop up over the course of time? It's quite a water environment.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

I'm paranoid about tailings dams. I come from Harmony Gold Mine and Goldstrike. You're old enough to remember that. We have done a full audit of our tailings dams, we're currently rolling. Again, Barrick's and Randgold's conventions for management of tailings dams are aligned and are unlike a lot of the industry. We completely believe in external oversight in both companies. Barrick has an extra independent check in their management of their tailings dam, in that they have an oversight committee of 2 experts, and those experts are experts in that field, and one of the criteria is they have to have never had any ties to Barrick in any way. We will reinforce that. We have responsible engineers for each tailings dam that are internal.

We have a corporate review on the tailings dam, and we have corporate experts that are responsible for that. We have an external review with an external appointed engineer. We have our standards, particularly on upstream dams, making sure that we manage and understand the phreatic pressure through, and borehole controls both in. We look at the plume and also the actual integrity of the barriers and poundment walls. What we have done just recently is that we've rolled that out, or we're in the process of rolling that out to our joint venture partners to encourage them to ensure that they comply with our policies. Craig, you want to comment?

Graham Shuttleworth
CFO, Barrick

Comment on PV. The Dominican government also has a very active administration and regulatory body that administers dams and the tailings dam in particular. They do regular checks there on a monthly basis and make sure that we're up to the standards at BV in particular.

Kerry Smith
Mining Analyst, Haywood Securities

Okay, thank you.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

I think for us, in West Africa you've got a negative water balance, that's much easier to manage. We have a lot of experience in positive water balances, which is a lot of Barrick's assets. The legacy Barrick assets are in positive water balance areas again, that requires a completely different level of oversight than when you've got a negative water balance.

Tanya Jakusconek
Managing Director of Gold and Precious Minerals, Scotiabank

I just have a quick follow-up question for Graham, just on the accounting. You still have to put the purchase price accounting for the transaction, about $3.2 billion. That's coming, I think, in Q1. The guidance for depreciation is without it. Can we assume that a lot of it will get allocated to property and plant and equipment? Thank you.

Graham Shuttleworth
CFO, Barrick

As you point out, we're doing that work at the moment, and we expect to be able to conclude it in this first quarter, albeit that we have the whole year to complete that from an IFRS point of view. Until the work's done, I can't really give you that clarity, in all likelihood, there will be a split between assets and goodwill. We're busy with that work, and we'll let you know when it's done.

Mark Bristow
President and CEO, Barrick

Thank you everyone for coming. Again, hopefully you found it helpful. We are going to make this a regular affair. We also plan to take these results presentations back to the operations, at least as I did in Randgold once a year or so. I would also encourage you please to, if you've got any comments, advice, suggestions, let our IR team know and we'll work out. The idea is to give you what you need to be able to ensure that our owners of this company are properly informed. Thanks for coming, and I assume there's normally we offer a glass of wine or something. What are we doing this time? Coffee and tea. Sorry about that. We'll work on that. Thanks for coming, everyone. Thanks.