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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 9, 2022

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the ADENTRA Q3 2022 results conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Ian Tharp. Please go ahead.

Ian Tharp
Head of Investor Relations, ADENTRA Inc.

Thanks, Justin, and good morning to those joining today as we discuss ADENTRA's financial results for the Q3 of 2022. My name is Ian Tharp, Investor Relations for ADENTRA, and joining me on the call today are Rob Brown, ADENTRA's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Faiz Karmally, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. ADENTRA's Q3 2022 earnings release, financial statements, and MD&A are available on the investors section of the ADENTRA website at www.hdidist.com. These statements have also been filed on ADENTRA's profile on SEDAR at www.sedar.com. Before we start, I want to remind listeners that during this call, management may make forward-looking statements. These statements involve various known and unknown risks and uncertainties and are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, which may prove to be incorrect. Actual results could differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements.

Please refer to the text in ADENTRA's earnings release and financial filings issued today for a discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with these forward-looking statements. All dollar figures referred to today are in US dollars unless stated otherwise. Our comments today will focus specifically on the Q3 of 2022. Financial details for the first nine months of 2022 can be accessed either through SEDAR or our corporate website. I'd now like to turn the call over to Rob Brown. Rob?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Thanks, Ian. Good morning, everybody. Today, we'll be reviewing recent developments at ADENTRA and summarizing our financial and operating results for the Q3 of 2022. My initial comments will focus on our key financial and business highlights for Q3. Faiz Karmally, our CFO, will then provide additional details on our Q3 financial results. I'll then conclude the prepared remarks for today with our outlook. In the Q3 , we benefited from a continuation of favorable market conditions while executing well on the strategic and operating fronts. From a market perspective, consumer demand was supportive during the quarter despite an environment of higher interest rates. Volumes were down modestly compared to what was a very strong Q3 of 2021, and this was more than offset by higher product prices year over year.

Our positioning as one of the largest architectural building products companies in North America continues to be an important competitive advantage as we source differentiated products from both domestic and international suppliers for our customers. On the strategic front, Novo and more recently Mid-Am collectively represent transformational acquisitions for ADENTRA. These additions have brought us leading management talents, important new access to the attractive pro dealer and home center channels, and a significant increase in our addressable market to sell architectural building products. On a combined basis, Novo and Mid-Am are on track to contribute over $1 billion in pro forma sales for 2022 and are strong examples of our ability to deliver growth through our acquisition strategy.

Both companies are performing well and contributed sales growth of $ 141 million or almost 30% in the third quarter as compared to the same period in the prior year. Our operating and sales teams continue to successfully adapt to changing market conditions as they execute our strategy to deliver growth organically. Our organic sales growth in the Q3 was $49 million or 10.4% increase over the corresponding period in 2021. On a consolidated basis, organic and acquisitions-related growth supported a substantial increase in our consolidated sales of $ 188 million in the Q3 , which is a 40% increase as compared to Q3 of 2021. We combined our strong sales performance with a healthy gross margin percentage of 21.1%.

This gross margin percentage performance is closer to our more recent trend in 2022, but below the 24.6% mark achieved in Q3 of 2021, when strong demand and tight supply resulted in a rapid increase in product prices as compared to the cost of inventory. The combination of excellent sales performance, a healthy gross margin percentage, and tightly managed operating expenses resulted in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 10% and adjusted earnings per share of $1.32. We also generated cash flow from operating activities of over $87 million and executed on our capital allocation plans by reducing debt by $54 million and repurchasing $10 million of our common shares.

The share repurchases September year to date have been accretive for shareholders, and we have repurchased 767,000 common shares, representing over 3% of our outstanding share count. I'm also pleased to report that based on our strong performance and continued confidence in the business, HDI's board of directors approved an 8% increase to our dividend to an annualized payout of CAD 0.52 per share or quarterly payments of CAD 0.13 per share. In summary, it was another good quarter for HDI. We posted excellent results to date in 2022 and have positioned the business to manage through a potential reduction in economic activity. I'll return to speak more about this and our outlook later on, but will now pass the call over to Faiz Karmally to review our financial results for Q3 2022 in more detail. Faiz Karmally.

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. I'm going to provide an overview of our results for the Q3 of 2022. I'll also outline our financial position and capital allocation plans. Again, I'll remind those listening that the dollar figures Rob and I refer to today are in US dollars unless we've stated otherwise. Starting with consolidated revenue, our Q3 sales were $659.7 million, which was an increase of 40% or $188 million from Q3 in 2021. Focusing on our organic sales, healthy market demand supported higher product prices, and we achieved $48.9 million of growth in organic sales in Q3, which represented 10.4% organic sales growth.

Acquired businesses contributed an additional $140.9 million or 29.9% of our year-over-year growth in sales and was comprised of $58.8 million in revenues contributed in the month of July by Novo and a full quarter of contributions from Mid-Am totaling $82 million. As a reminder, we purchased Novo at the end of July last year and Mid-Am in Q1 of 2022. Looking now at our regional activity, our U.S. operations generated Q3 sales of $610.4 million, which was 43% higher than the same period last year. U.S.-based sales increased by $183.6 million, with organic sales growth accounting for $42.7 million or 10% of the sales growth and acquired businesses accounting for the remaining $140.9 million of the total sales growth.

Our Canadian operations also performed well in the Q3 . Q3 sales in Canada rose by CAD 7.8 million, which was a 13.8% gain compared to Q3 in 2021. The gains we captured in Canada were entirely driven by organic growth. Turning next to gross profit, we posted a 19.6% improvement to $ 139 million in Q3 of 2022. This significant growth was supported by our strong sales results, contributions from Novo and Mid-Am, and the delivery of a healthy gross profit margin percentage.

As Rob noted in his earlier comments, our Q3 gross margin of 21.1% was below the 24.6% mark achieved in Q3 of 2021, when strong demand and tight supply resulted in a rapid increase in product prices as compared to the cost of inventory. Our Q3 operating expenses were $90.9 million, which were $23.6 million higher than Q3 of 2021. The increase in operating expenses primarily relates to the operations of Novo and Mid-Am, which accounted for $15.8 million of the increase. Also included in the increased operating expenses are $6.4 million related to investments to support our growth and amortization of intangible assets acquired in the Mid-Am and Novo transactions of $3.3 million.

As a percentage of sales, operating expenses remained well managed at 13.8% as compared to 14.3% in Q3 of 2021. Moving now to adjusted EBITDA. For Q3 2022, we posted an increase of 3.4% over Q3 of last year to $66 million. As a percentage of sales, our Q3 adjusted EBITDA margin was 10%. Finally, our profit for the third quarter came in at $29.9 million, which was an 11.3% decrease versus the exceptionally strong performance we saw in Q3 of 2021. Our per share profit climbed to $1.28. Turning our attention now to the balance sheet.

As of September 30, 2022, our leverage ratio, which is our ratio of net bank debt to our trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA after rents, was 2.6x, which is 0.3 x lower than our leverage ratio at the end of Q2 2022. Our net bank debt declined by $54 million as compared to the prior quarter. We remain on track to further reduce our debt through the end of 2022. We ended the Q3 with substantial unused borrowing capacity of over $200 million.

Looking at our priorities for capital allocation, we remain focused on paying down debt, financing the growth of our business both organically and through accretive acquisitions, and providing incremental total returns to shareholders through our dividends and share repurchases. Regarding the latter two strategies and supported by our very strong financial performance to date in 2022, as Rob mentioned, our board of directors approved an 8% increase to our dividend, representing an annualized rate of CAD 0.52 per share. In addition, regarding activity under our NCIB, over the first nine months of 2022, we repurchased a total of 767,041 shares, which represents 3.3% of our outstanding share count. With that, I'll turn the call back over to you, Rob. Rob?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Okay. Thanks, Faiz. I'll finish our prepared comments today with our views on end markets and share more details on our progress in transforming the business, including our recently announced plans to change our name. Looking at the near-term market dynamics, we anticipate that rising inflation and recent interest rate hikes will have a negative impact on economic activity, and this may result in moderation of demand for our products. In this scenario, our team will draw on the experience gained during previous market cycles to adapt our management practices so we can continue to effectively operate our business. From a financial perspective, our balance sheet is strong, provides us with significant financial stability. Our business model also converts a high proportion of EBITDA to operating cash flow before changes in working capital.

Importantly, our operating track record shows that during periods of reduced activity, we naturally release working capital investment, resulting in an additional source of cash. Setting aside near-term market dynamics, we continue to anticipate strong fundamentals in our end markets over the mid and longer term. First, in the repair and remodel market, that comprises approximately 40% of our sales. The most recent leading indicator of remodeling activity, published by Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies, continues to forecast 6.5% growth in the R&R market through Q3 of next year. Looking at the R&R market from a longer-term perspective, we continue to expect high home equity levels and aging housing stock to support strong levels of repair and remodeling activity.

In residential construction, which comprises another approximately 40% of our sales, new building starts have moderated as affordability becomes more challenged, but new home starts remain at healthy levels. The significant timing gap between housing starts and completions provides extended demand support for our business since our products are typically installed during the later stages of construction. In terms of long-term demand in this market segment, the structural under-building of housing in the U.S. of an estimated 3.5 million units is a significant long-term helper to demand for our products. This, along with positive demographic factors, is expected to underpin long-term growth. For commercial markets, which comprises approximately 15% of our overall sales, our end market participation is quite diverse, and it includes opportunities in healthcare, education spending, hospitality, offices, and other markets.

Our broad exposure here to the commercial market positions us well to capture growth opportunities. I would also highlight the following attributes that we have successfully built into our business model and that we believe stabilize our business across market cycles. Our business is highly diversified by supplier, by customer, and by geography through our 86 locations across North America. We believe this mitigates the risk associated with any one particular geography. We've also developed a very diverse product portfolio, generally comprised of specialty and higher-margin products, with no one product category exceeding 20% of our pro forma sales. We maintain a strong balance sheet, and we generate significant cash flow, and we've got a proven ability to deliver meaningful growth through organic expansion as well as our acquisitions program. The architectural building products market is fragmented, and there remains significant market share for us to capture.

On this final point, I want to speak about the progress we've made to transform our business. Over the past several years, we've organically expanded our product offering and added quality businesses through our acquisition strategy. Today, we deliver a one-stop customer buying experience with access to a diversified mix of specialty building products used in the finishing stages of construction. We've created a North America-wide distribution capability and broadened our customer channel participation to include industrial fabricators, pro dealers, and home centers. Recognizing these important changes, earlier this year, we started a process to rebrand our business and to change our corporate name. We announced earlier this week that on December second, we'll host a special meeting of shareholders to seek approval to change the name of our company to ADENTRA.

If the name change is approved, we will begin trading under the new ticker symbol ADEN and will rebrand under the new corporate name as soon as possible after the meeting. Materials for the December second meeting will be provided to investors later this week. We believe this new name captures the overall value we have built and our capabilities to meet the diverse needs of the market. As we renew our corporate name to ADENTRA, we will continue to interact with our customers in their local communities through each of our flagship brands. We are excited to share more details on our new branding and corporate identity once the change in name has been approved by shareholders. With that, I wanna thank you for your time this morning. I would ask our operator, Justin, to join us again and provide instructions for the Q&A period. Justin?

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to signal with questions, please press star one on your touchtone telephone. If you're joining us today using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, that is star one if you would like to signal with questions. Our first question comes from Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director, Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Hey, good morning, guys.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Hi, Yuri.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director, Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Maybe one for Faiz. Your selling distribution and admin expenses have remained around 11% of sales during this period of high growth the last 18-24 months or so. Is that the case on the way down? If we see things contract here, is that how we should model it as well? You kinda keep that 11% of sales as... I'm excluding D&A from that number, but it seems like a lot of variable costs in there. If you could just comment on the variable fixed, so we can kinda make assumptions for next year.

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah, hey, Yuri. No problem. In that selling and distribution number, some of that's gonna be variable. I mean, there are things like commissions for our sales people, as an example. I mean, that's gonna adjust as sales potentially do. You've also got some salaried folks in there, which is gonna be a little more sticky. You've got premises costs in there for much of our operations, and again, those will be a little stickier as well. There's gonna be a little bit of adjustment there, you know, naturally, it's, you know, if sales come off a little bit. I wouldn't expect it to vary one for one with sales dollars, just given some of the more, as we described them, semi-fixed elements, you know, the things I'm describing.

Premise, as an example, you know, over time, you can do things with premise. You know, we've done that previously when we've needed to, whether it's get out of space or sublet space, but those aren't changes that you'd make, certainly in the short term, certainly over a quarter or two. I think that's the way you could think about it. There is a little bit of stickiness in that line as well.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director, Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Of course. Okay. That helps. I'll stay with you, Faiz, for my second question. Just, we finally saw it looks like your the implied interest rate paid on your debt picked up in the Q3 . Just remind us, I think it's all floating debt and what we should expect. Is this a good run rate or is it not reflecting all the interest rate hikes that have been announced to date?

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Well, yeah, it's probably not reflecting the most recent one, a couple days ago. You know, our effective rate right now is sort of in the mid-fours. Call it 4.5%. It is floating. You know, we look at from time to time whether it makes sense to fix some of that. We'll continue to do that. I would say, you know, 4.5%-5% if you're thinking of a, you know, interest rate run rate, going forward, at least until the next potential hike, I think, is how you can think about our, you know, our interest expense there.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director, Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

'Cause you're paying a 200 basis points spread. Is that right?

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

No, it's a little less. There's actually tiers to it, Yuri. It just depends on where our leverage ratio is. Today it's more like 175 basis points because the leverage ratio has been coming down. There's a base rate which is SOFR, and then you're adding 175 basis points to that, just to start.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director, Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks, guys.

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Jeff Fenwick with Cormark Securities.

Jeff Fenwick
Managing Director, Head of Equity Research, Cormark Securities

Good morning, everybody. I wanted to follow up on the conversation about the working capital levels, and you're able to harvest some cash from that this quarter. When I look at the inventory level in particular, it looks like you're still running a bit higher above where you typically would have in the past. You know, what's the expectation of working that lower? I know there's been some consideration just given to supply chain constraints and keeping a bit of a buffer there, but how should we think about, you know, the incremental potential for some cash to be released from inventory as things decelerate a little bit through the end of the year?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah. Hey, Jeff. Nice to hear from you. This is Rob.

We'll continue to work inventory down through the Q4 . You did see us tip over on the inventory and release some in Q3. I expect a more fulsome release in Q4 and frankly in some of our businesses into Q1. I think the positive side of this is there's generally been high inventory levels across the industry. We are not the only ones that are you know destocking seems to be the popular term these days, but it seems to be getting done in a relatively orderly fashion. We've actually you know been pretty pleased on the pricing and the margin profiles that we've seen in the market so far. Yes, you can count on additional dollars coming out as we get to $1231.

Jeff Fenwick
Managing Director, Head of Equity Research, Cormark Securities

Okay, that's helpful. You did mention pricing. I mean, your commentary was that it seems to be holding in reasonably well and more of the variance now is on the volume side of things. You know, how much. I know you've diversified the product set quite a bit here, so there's less direct linkage into sort of the base commodities like hardwood pricing, and that is an area where we've been seeing pricing coming down. I mean, what's the expectation? Do you think it is more gradual changes from here or you know, how much are we really tracking with some of these other commodity input prices?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah, I mean, it has held in quite well. Unfortunately the only product set that we participate in that seems to have, you know, more of a transparent price out there in terms of index is hardwood lumber, as you referenced, and, you know, that's a 10% product category for us. It's also a category that's heavily influenced by export markets, so it's really not indicative of the overall architectural building products offering. I would say, you know, pricing, a component of pricing is always freight, and we've seen freight rates easing, so that will ease prices. Other things, in terms of some of the raw material inputs that go into products, you know, including labor, but resins and glues and other overheads in an inflationary environment are actually still quite high.

That's providing some floor stability, I think, to pricing. I do think it continues to ease, but thus far it's appeared to be not dramatic changes, but more of a glide path than anything.

Jeff Fenwick
Managing Director, Head of Equity Research, Cormark Securities

Okay. Maybe one last one for me here just on the gross margin front that seems to be normalizing as well. Again, with the M&A you've done, the profile is a bit different. Do you think the quarter that we saw here, that gross margin around 21%, is that, you know, roughly speaking where you think it settles out, you know, a bit higher from history where I think you were more of a. How do we think about that?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

You're quite right, historical, and now we are getting probably quite historical because with the, you know, the $1 billion in sales we've added in acquisitions, it has, you know, made a step change to the profile. But back in the day, we were an 18%-19% gross profit business. You know, now we would be pretty dissatisfied to not have that number be in the 20s. Does it settle out exactly where we saw Q3? I think, we certainly would be, as I say, disappointed if it wasn't in the 20s. There's probably a little bit of movement yet to come, depending on if the market continues to de-stock in an orderly fashion. If it does not, then maybe there'll be some short-term gyration to that.

In the longer term, yes, this is not gonna head back to where it was in the past. We feel quite good about that.

Jeff Fenwick
Managing Director, Head of Equity Research, Cormark Securities

Okay, thank you. That's helpful. That's all I had. Thanks.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah, thanks, Jeff Fenwick.

Operator

Our next question will come from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director, Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Rob, can you give us an update-

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Hi

Hamir Patel
Executive Director, Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

on the trade case, exposure that Hardwoods had and if there's been any developments there?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah. On the trade case, you'll recall from Q2, this popped up in July. We did note it in our Q2 release, but frankly didn't have a great deal of information about it at that time. We did work on that through the Q3 , and we provided some updated disclosure as you saw in our release. We continue to view this frankly as an error. We've been caught in a net that we shouldn't be in. You know, perhaps others should be, but the products that we're importing from Vietnam from our perspective are absolutely not in the scope of this trade case. We have, you know, lots of documentary evidence and detailed audit trails to demonstrate that. We've unfortunately though not been given the opportunity to demonstrate that yet to the Department of Commerce.

We'd like to do that with them, and ideally, we'd like to do that before their final determination of the case. You know, right now we have a preliminary determination. The final determination, at least for now, is scheduled for the end of January 2023. Hopefully, we'll be able to get our position more fully on the record by then. If not, you know, we'll do this in court. There are court processes that take a much more extended period of time, but they're available and we would participate in them, particularly given how strongly we feel about being unfairly caught in this process.

We have quantified the potential retroactive duties that could arise, and we disclosed that in the quarter, as a contingency, $25-$30 million, to which a 206% duty rate would apply. Just to reiterate, it's, you know, clearly incorrect from the company's perspective. We may have to fight it out over longer term to prove that. I mean, maybe worth mentioning one more thing, on that front, which is, you know, there was a recent related challenge, very close to this case on product scope that went all the way through the court process and ultimately the Department of Commerce's position was reversed by court. We've seen it happen.

That's not our preferred path, but if that's the path we have to follow, that's what we intend to do.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director, Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. Rob, just a last question I had was on-

In terms of potential M&A, you know, I know it seems like the company's focused on internal initiatives, but what are you seeing in terms of the pipeline? Have you seen any moderation in, you know, vendor expectations around pricing, just given the deterioration in the housing market?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah. Potential sellers I think are acclimating to the change here. I think what was probably encouraging from our perspective was we just attended two recent trade shows, both on the home center pro side of the business, and then separately on the industrial side. Absolutely, there's still folks that are enthusiastic to sell their businesses and move on to other things. The pipeline and discussions are still active. I think there's some adjustment in terms of expectation that's now underway. When we look at our forward planning on free cash flow and deleveraging the balance sheet, you know, we're gonna be responsible here. It'll be a balanced approach. I wouldn't expect home runs, but we would continue to be...

We'd like to continue to be participating with an ongoing flow of acquisitions, even if they're tuck-ins. We'll have the, you know, the balance sheet to do that as part of an overall capital allocation strategy.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director, Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks, Rob. That's all I had. I'll turn it over.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Our next question will come from Zachary Evershed with National Bank Financial.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Hey, Zachary.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Just follow up on the M&A angle. Do you view the NCIB as potentially more accretive than M&A transactions given your current share price levels?

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Hey, Zach, it's Seth here. I can take that. You know, our thinking on the NCIB, and I'm gonna say the dividend as well, and with the M&A path that Rob described is, you know, we can do all of those things. Like, we're not really into making choices around, let's do one over the other. We've demonstrated that, not only in our history but this quarter, where we not only paid a dividend, we increased it. We bought back a meaningful amount of shares for ADENTRA. I mean, we're creeping up here on 4% of the outstanding float. But you know, about 40% of what we issued in December for the equity raise has been repurchased. And I would describe that as modest dollars, and we've taken leverage down at the same time.

I understand your question from a valuation metrics perspective. Buying ADENTRA shares is attractive, and that's why we're doing it. We're not into making choices around those things. We can continue to reduce debt, pay what I think is, you know, an attractive dividend in this environment. We're gonna continue to do tuck-in M&A and M&A deals. You know, as Rob mentioned, when we look at our free cash flow planning, those are things that we feel confident we can continue to allocate capital towards, and we're gonna, you know, do that. That's our plan going forward.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Makes sense. Thanks. What are you expecting in terms of costs associated with the rebrand?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Very, very modest. That's a funny question because we've all read or heard anecdotes of companies that kind of explode themselves on expenditures of that nature and to get a logo. We've not done that. I would say, yes, we engaged outside help because you wanna do it right. We're true to our core principles around frugality and value for service. Yes, we're talking, you know, tens of thousands dollars at most here. We're real happy with the outcome. The other comment I would make is, you know, we can get there because this is really a forward-facing public company rebrand. We're not pushing this down into all of the operating businesses that have exceptional brand equity already with their local flagship brands.

This is to change the narrative a little bit at the public company level, and then we will also use it with our large vendor suppliers that cross brands for us. We like to deal with them with one voice, and that voice will be ADENTRA.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Perfect. Okay. Thank you very much. We'll turn it over.

Operator

Our next question will come from Ian Gillies.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Equity Research, Stifel

Morning, everyone.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Hey.

Hi there.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Equity Research, Stifel

You noted in the prepared remarks that there seems to be an orderly destocking by your competitors and your sales to date. Are you seeing any distress yet on the private side of those you're competing against that create any pause for concern as we head into 2023?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

No, I don't think so. We've not picked up anything that I would describe as competitors in distress. They are maybe a little bit expanded with more inventory than is typically the case, but they're generally reasonably well capitalized.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. That's helpful. There's been some conversation around interest rates, et cetera, through the call. I was just curious, given the sharp change in rates, should we be thinking about any change in your debt targets of where you might be willing to take them in the event you do identify bolt-on transactions or anything of that nature?

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

No. We've said that in the normal course, we are comfortable running up to kind of 3x leverage. In a market that you've got elevated uncertainty, you're gonna probably run in the lower end of that range for obvious reasons. That's how we would think about that. I think I said in my earlier comment. We're gonna be active in acquisitions, but you know, probably not home runs. I think that dovetails with that thinking. Faiz mentioned, you know, we've got enough free cash flow on the horizon that we expect based on our internal work to be able to have multiple paths to put it to work. You know, we got a dividend that's decent in this environment. It's a nice participating feature for some investors.

We're gonna continue to be active on the NCIB, and we can also find our way into tuck-in M&A without stressing the balance sheet or getting way too concerned about high leverage.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Equity Research, Stifel

Yeah. No, that's very helpful. Faiz, one last cleanup question from me related to the trade case in the United States. At what point do you have to accrue a liability for something of this nature? Do you not expect you'll have to for some time? I just, I'm not quite sure how that works.

Faiz Karmally
VP and CFO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah. We'll just have to assess that situation. It's not. There's no clear trigger. You have to assess facts and circumstances and what you know against the relevant guidance. We'll just continue to do that. I can't give you, like, here's the trigger, because it, you know, the accounting guidance doesn't quite work that way. There's just a lot of uncertainty, as Rob described. We'll continue to assess that, and, you know, we'll report out when that makes sense.

Ian Gillies
Managing Director, Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. No, that makes sense. Thanks very much. I'll turn the call back over.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to signal with questions, please press star one on your touch tone telephone. Again, star one. We'll pause for a moment. At this time, there are no further questions. I'll hand it back over to you.

Rob Brown
President and CEO, ADENTRA Inc.

Yeah. Thanks, Justin, and nice job today. Thanks to everyone for joining us on the line. We appreciate your interest in ADENTRA, and just do reach out to Faiz or I if you've got follow-up questions. Hope everybody has a great rest of the day.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. We do thank you for your participation. Have an excellent day.

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