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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 23, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is J.P., and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Amerigo annual earnings call for 2022. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the formal remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your questions, please press the pound key. Thank you. Mr. Graham Farrell of Harbor Access Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Graham Farrell
Managing Partner, Harbor Access LLC

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon. Welcome everyone to Amerigo's quarterly conference call to discuss the company's financial results for the full year and fourth quarter of 2022. We're delighted to have you join us today. This call will cover Amerigo's financial and operating results for the full year to fourth quarter ended December 31st, 2022. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the conference call to a question-and-answer session. Our call today will be led by Amerigo's Chief Executive Officer, Aurora Davidson, along with the company's Chief Financial Officer, Carmen Amezquita. Before we begin our formal remarks, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements on this call may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements may include, but are not necessarily limited to financial projections or other statements of the company's plans, objectives, expectations, or intentions. These matters involve certain risks and uncertainties.

The company's actual results may differ significantly from those projected or suggested by any forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors which are discussed in detail in our SEDAR filings. I will now hand the call over to Aurora Davidson. Please go ahead, Aurora.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Thank you, Graham. Welcome everyone to Amerigo's earnings call for the fourth quarter and the 2022 annual results. We remind you that all dollar figures reported in the call are US dollars, except where we specifically refer to Canadian dollars. Amerigo's financial performance in 2022 illustrates the company's financial sensitivity to copper prices and the resiliency of our return of capital policy. Despite higher copper production in the year, lower copper prices in the second half of 2022 reduced our top-line copper revenue by $33.3 million compared to our record 2021 revenue results. Amerigo's EBITDA in 2022 was $48.7 million, and the company generated $34.9 million in operating cash flow. Amerigo is a cash flow story, not an earnings story.

The strength of our return of capital strategy comes out from our ability to generate cash. As 2022 showed us, Amerigo is able to weather periods of falling copper prices and still return healthy amounts of capital back to the shareholders. In 2022, we returned $28 million to shareholders, and we continued to pay down our bank debt, making principal payments of $7 million. At year-end 2022, Amerigo had its lowest debt level since Q1 2015, with $24.5 million outstanding, and we maintained a strong cash and restricted cash of $42 million. From an operational perspective, we achieved all of our 2022 objectives. We hit our production and cost targets and completed CapEx projects on time and budget.

We continued to manage water supply risk and secured a collective labor agreement without operational disruptions at MVC. Additional details of these accomplishments are available on the production news release that we disseminated on January 17th of this year. From a market perspective, we're starting to be recognized for operational excellence and financial strength as our return of capital strategy unfolds. In 2022, Amerigo outperformed many of its copper peers, particularly mid-tier copper producers, with respect to share price performance alone. That is before factoring in the yield component from our quarterly dividends. All of this occurred over a period of very volatile copper prices, which only started to rebound towards the end of the year. I will now provide a very quick recap of the fourth quarter financial results as they illustrate the effects of improvement in copper prices.

Amerigo's copper price for the fourth quarter was $3.80 per pound, compared to $3.50 per pound in the third quarter. Cash generated from operations in the fourth quarter was $15.6 million, compared to $2.6 million in the third quarter. In Q4, EBITDA was $14 million, and free cash flow to equity was $9.2 million. Adjusted net income, excluding an $11.5 million equipment write-down, was $9.9 million. Q4 financial results included $4.8 million in positive settlement adjustments to copper revenue, of which $2.1 million were final adjustments. Last quarter, Carmen and I fully described the provisional pricing methodology we have at Amerigo, and I encourage you to revisit those remarks. Prior earnings call recordings and transcripts can easily be found on our website.

I would like to move on to my comments for 2023. Let me continue to address the issue of rebounding copper prices. As I mentioned a second ago, at the end of 2022, our provisional copper price was $3.80 per pound. In January, the copper price went further up to $4.08 per pound, and today's price is $4.11. This, of course, is encouraging, but we have no reason to expect that copper prices have finished strengthening. Let's not forget that a year ago, copper prices peaked at $4.64 per pound as an average price in March. I will borrow a quote from Freeport's most recent earnings call. Trying to predict short-term copper prices is very difficult. We actually don't even try to do it ourselves.

We deal with short-term negative movements when they occur. End of quote. These remarks echo my sentiments completely. While I cannot predict how high prices might go, I think that the copper market fundamentals are simultaneously showing risks to supply and an increased appetite for copper. This scenario is bullish for continued strength in copper prices. Here are some of the most recent examples of supply weakness. Let's look first at the world's largest copper producer, Chile. It accounts for 28% of global copper mine production. Chile is producing less copper. In 2022, Chile's copper production was 7% lower than in 2021, 10% lower than in 2020, and 11% lower than the highest ever production year, which was 2018. Peru is the world's second biggest copper producer with a 10% stake.

You are probably aware of the political unrest affecting the country and top copper operations like MMG's Las Bambas and Glencore's Antamina. Issues at these operations do not appear to have near-term resolutions. There are other jurisdictions. First Quantum in Panama has not reached a favorable agreement yet with the government and has announced they are going to be ceasing operations. In the DRC, the Tenke mine is facing royalty disputes. In the United States, the Twin Metals copper nickel project in Minnesota and the Pebble copper gold project in Alaska have been blocked by the EPA. The risks to copper supply are twofold. We are seeing declining mine outputs due to falling grades and other bona fide technical issues in stable jurisdictions like Chile.

We're also seeing social and political resistance in other areas of the world, such as Peru and even the United States. This is happening concurrently with higher copper demand pressures as copper is increasingly recognized as a critical material for the green economy. There is no question that broader global electrification will be a fundamental driver for copper demand, and this phenomenon has not yet started. Today, no one is speaking of a short-term copper supply glitch. Industry analysts are talking about structural copper market deficits that could last the rest of the decade. For Amerigo, strong copper prices will continue to make our return of capital policy extremely attractive. Far in 2023, our operational results at MVC are right on track, and financial results have been strong on the back of robust copper and moly prices.

In terms of our 2023 financial obligations, we will be making scheduled bank debt repayments of $7 million plus interest. Bank debt at year-end 2023 will then be only $17.5 million. We will also make a final balloon payment of $2.2 million on the capital lease facility under which we financed the upgrades to our molybdenum plant in 2018. Under our 2023 production and cost guidance, which was press released on January 17, at current copper prices, Amerigo's quarterly dividend of CAD 0.03 per share is quite safe. We expect to produce 62.3 million pounds of copper in the year. This is in line with the guidance we provided for 2022. We expect that 59% of copper production will come from fresh tailings.

We also expect to produce 1 million pounds of molybdenum. Moly is a subject of interest because moly prices have moved substantially from around $18 per pound in November to $0.26, $26 per pound in December, to $32 per pound in January. Today's price of moly is almost $38 per pound. This price move has been triggered by constraints in moly supply, concurrent with increased demand across several industries. Each $2 per pound change in moly price can have a $0.03 per pound impact on Amerigo's cash cost. A lower cash cost will, of course, allow us to return even more capital to shareholders. I would like to finish my remarks with a summary of our return of capital strategy and what has already been achieved.

Since implementation of the strategy in the fourth quarter of 2021, Amerigo has paid a cumulative dividend of CAD 0.14 per share, representing $18.6 million, and used $21.1 million to purchase and cancel 17.9 million common shares. This is a 9.82% reduction in the number of common shares outstanding in a little over a year. We currently have in place a second share repurchase program under our normal course issuer bid. We can repurchase for cancellation up to 10.75 million common shares prior to December 1st. This represents an additional 6.14% of the issued and outstanding common shares of Amerigo. We began buying shares for cancellation under the program in January, and we'll continue doing so.

In addition to quarterly dividends of CAD 0.03 per share and the repurchase of common shares for cancellation under the normal course issuer bid, we are confident that stronger spot copper prices and a robust copper price outlook will translate into the deployment of performance dividends in 2023. We will be launching a new Amerigo website in March, and we will also roll out a simple but powerful ESG scorecard that shows Amerigo's unique standing and its ability to produce copper entirely from waste materials. We do this with essentially no use of diesel fuel, low energy intensity, low water withdrawal, and no generation of additional mine tailings.

We expect that as we continue to leverage the predictability of our operations, unique ESG attributes, and the strength of Amerigo's return of capital policy, 2023 will be another great year for Amerigo and its shareholders. I will now ask Carmen Amezquita, our Chief Financial Officer, to discuss the company's financial results. Carmen, please go ahead.

Carmen Amezquita
CFO, Amerigo Resources

Thanks, Aurora. We're pleased to present the 2022 annual financial report from Amerigo and its MVC operation in Chile. Amerigo had a net income of $4.4 million in 2022, earnings per share of $0.03, EBITDA of $48.7 million, and operating cash flow before changes in non-cash working capital of $34.9 million. Despite higher copper production during the year, lower copper market prices starting in mid-2022 affected Amerigo's financial performance. There was also an $11.5 million equipment write-down that was recorded during 2022 related to the retirement of two generators that the company determined to be obsolete during the year. Excluding the generator's write-down, adjusted net income was $15.9 million. Note that the write-down had no impact on the 2022 cash flow.

On December 31, 2022, the company had a cash and restricted cash balance of $42 million and working capital of $10 million, compared to a cash and restricted cash balance of $64 million and working capital of $24.6 million at December 31, 2021. Amerigo's financial performance is highly sensitive to copper prices. The company's annual average copper price was $4.01 per pound, compared to $4.25 per pound in 2021. Another factor affecting earnings are the changes in copper price from one period to the next. This is so because of our M plus three price convention for copper sales, where the final settlement price is the average London Metal Exchange price for the third month following production of copper concentrates.

At December 31st, 2022, MVC's provisional price was $3.80 per pound. Final prices for October, November, and December 2022 sales will be the average London Metal Exchange prices for January, February, and March 2023, respectively. We already know that the January 2023 price was $4.08 per pound. A 10% increase or decrease from the $3.80 per pound provisional price used on December 31st, 2022, would result in a $6.4 million change in revenue in Q1, 2023 in respect of Q4, 2022 production. Revenue in 2022 was $168.1 million, compared to $199.6 million in 2021. This included copper tolling revenue of $153 million and molybdenum revenue of $15.1 million.

Within the copper revenue, the gross copper sales were $255.4 million, and there were negative settlement adjustments of $6.2 million. Deducted from revenue, we had $70.5 million in royalties to DET, smelting and refinery costs of $24 million, and transportation costs of $1.7 million. Total tolling and production costs, including depreciation, were $139.7 million. This compares to tolling and production costs of $127.5 million in 2021. Reasons for the increased tolling and production costs included higher production, inflationary pressures, and the payment of signing bonuses to MVC's operators in connection with the renewal of a collective labor agreement that occurred in October 2022. Under other expenses, general and admin expenses were $5.4 million, compared to $4.8 million.

This included salaries, management, and professional fees of $2.9 million, office and general expenses of $1.5 million, and share-based payments of $1 million. Other losses during 2022 were $0.8 million, compared to other losses of $2.2 million in the prior year. The main difference between the expenses period-over-period was a lower foreign exchange loss of $0.2 million in 2022, compared to $1.4 million in 2021. The derivative to related parties in 2022 had a $2.7 million recovery, compared to an expense of $0.8 million in the prior year. This was the result of a sharp increase in discount rates that resulted in the net present value of the liability and a gain on the P&L. The impairment of obsolete power generators was $11.5 million.

As mentioned previously, this relates to the retirement of two generators that the company determined to be obsolete during the year. The company's finance expense in 2022 was $1 million compared to $3.8 million in 2021. This includes interest on loans, leases, and bank charges of $2.3 million and a recovery on the fair value changes in interest rate swap of $1.4 million. On December 31st, 2022, the balance of the term loan, net of transaction costs was $23.7 million. In 2022, the company recognized an income tax expense of $8.1 million compared to an income tax expense of $20.7 million in 2021. This change is the result of lower net income this year compared to last year.

As an aside note, most of the income tax payable for 2022 has already been paid by MVC through monthly tax installments. In respect of cash flow in 2022, cash flow generated from operating activities before working capital changes was $34.9 million, with cash generated of $23.6 million after working capital changes. Cash flow used in investing activities was $9.8 million, which related entirely to the purchase of plant equipment. Cash used in financing activities was $35.9 million. This included $28 million paid to shareholders, with $15.7 million paid through Amerigo's regular quarterly dividend of CAD 0.03 per share and $12.3 million used to purchase for cancellation 9.4 million common shares. There was also $7 million in repayments on borrowings and $1 million of lease repayments.

Overall, there was a net decrease in cash and cash equivalents of $22 million in 2022 and an ending cash balance of $37.8 million. The company also held $4.2 million in restricted cash. We will report the Q1 2023 financial results in early May 2023 and wanna thank you for continued interest in the company. We will now take questions from call participants.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have any question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Your first question comes from the line of Steve Ferazani from Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Good afternoon, Aurora, Carmen. Appreciate all the detail on the call. Aurora, I do want to touch on the rapid growth in moly prices recently. I know you've certainly gone into detail in talking about the benefits of processing more fresh tailings, and you've invested in the facilities to be able to do that. Given the sharp swing in prices in the near term, is there any reason to try to process more historic tailings to get more benefits from higher moly prices given the temporary move?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Steve, that is a good question. The answer is no. We will not be changing the operational philosophy. We are a copper producer. We benefit from the additional boost that moly prices can bring to our bottom line, but moly is a by-product. Our copper prices are stronger, moving in the right direction under our opinion, and we're getting a significant positive impact from moly price based on our stated production goals of 1 million pounds of moly per year.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Okay, great. in terms of the raised CapEx for this year, I know we had talked about the sum previously, you know, with the standby transformer. I guess, one, if you can explain the decision on the standby transformer, and then how the higher CapEx could affect or not affect your share repurchase program.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yeah, let's start with the easy one. The higher CapEx should not affect our return of capital goals. They were tested at a $3.60 copper price, which was the budget that we prepared for the year. That included the CapEx that we disclosed to the market and the ability to repay or to pay the quarterly dividends of Canadian CAD 0.03 per share per quarter. The reason for the power transformer is essentially risk mitigation. We have taken an approach of seeing ahead of us, not just what is in the immediate future. What could go wrong at MVC?

One of the things that could go wrong would be if one of our existing transformers, we have three, would face or could face major damage. You know, if supplies are not readily available, it could entail a curtailment of production. That's not a risk we wanna face, specifically when we're talking about an investment that's $3.1 million.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Then if you could briefly just touch on the, the write-down of those generators. Sounds like they were obsolete. Were those no longer in use? Is there any CapEx expected to replace them? Just a little detail there.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yeah. Those generators are legacy pieces of equipment. I would call it legacy clunkers that we had at MVC. We bought them many years ago, basically when we were facing substantially higher power costs from a crisis that Chile was facing back in the day. We looked at the alternative of having those generators to basically generate power, sell it to the Chilean grid, and offset some of the costs that we face through our power contracts. That risk has been mitigated. We have, as you know, long-term power contracts that guarantee us competitive supply rates to 2037. In the meantime, those generators, which operate with fuel, started to become obsolete pieces of equipment gradually.

The cost of operating them is higher than what the grid will pay you for the power that they can churn out. They were essentially in idle mode, except in those exceptional circumstances where we got a call from the grid saying, "We can now buy your power at a price that is competitive for you." We had to renew the permits for those generators in 2025, and we decided we're not gonna do that. We needed to provide notice to the authorities in Chile, two years in advance. That basically triggered, from an accounting point of view.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Yep.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

The write-down. I mentioned, in the news release, I believe it was, that the generators were fully depreciated for tax purposes.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Yep.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

We basically were just carrying them on the balance sheet, with a book value.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Great. Thanks. Then just the last one for me on the. You got through the new three year labor agreement with the larger union. Are we now two years away from another one with the smaller union? Is this behind us now for a while?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

We basically have a renewal in January of next year with the supervisors union, which is a smaller-.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Yeah.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

H eadcount union than the operators union, which we had last year.

Steve Ferazani
Senior Equity Analyst of Diversified Industrials and Energy, Sidoti

Okay. Perfect. Thanks, Aurora. Appreciate the detail.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Zaalman, private investor. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hello, Aurora and Carmen. First, we'd like congratulate you on the whole Amerigo team on a very successful year despite the challenges in 2022, mainly inflationary pressure and lower copper prices for two quarters. Well done. I'd like to ask three questions. First one is regarding moly prices. With moly being more than double the $16 guidance, how is the moly production priced? I understand that it's not the same as the copper M plus three pricing. When is the moly production priced?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Let's answer that question first, Eric. We have two clients for moly, and they have basically the ability to choose their pricing on a monthly basis. If they don't choose their pricing on an open month, we go into M plus four mode. Most of our moly production in 2022 was priced at M plus four . We have some at M plus one , but most of it was M plus four . We essentially are seeing, for example, in that case, production for September having closed at the January's closing price, and we still have October production and onwards for our biggest client open. We're benefiting from that, from the higher moly price environment with basically October onwards.

Speaker 7

Okay, I see. Basically the January production would be priced in May or April.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Correct.

Speaker 7

Yeah.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yes. Unless... Yeah. In that case, yes.

Speaker 7

Mm-hmm.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

I f they don't make a specific choice, we go to M plus four. If they make a call prior to the month ending, they could choose anything from M plus one to M plus four.

Speaker 7

Okay. My second question is about shareholder capital return policy. Why in general is the share buyback program given priority over performance dividends?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Why is it in general terms? We believe that our share price is still a good buy.

Speaker 7

Mm-hmm.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

A t current share prices. I think that the key word when you think about our share buyback program is opportunistic price buybacks. We think that we're in that territory still.

Speaker 7

Okay. As long as the share price is in that category, you still prefer buybacks before you issue excess capital for performance dividends?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yes, you know, it, I think it's not just such a linear question. You know, if there's an excessive...

Speaker 7

Mm-hmm.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

A mount of capital and we are still undergoing our share buyback program, that wouldn't preclude a performance dividend from occurring.

Speaker 7

Okay, that leads to my final question. Where do you see Amerigo's fair value at current copper and moly prices?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

We are.

Speaker 7

the buyback price.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yeah, that's, we don't guide that. We don't guide that. You know.

Speaker 7

Okay.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

That's very correlated to copper prices. depending on the copper price.

Speaker 7

Mm-hmm.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

T here is going to be a significant impact on that valuation that we have at Amerigo. It's intrinsically related to copper prices.

Speaker 7

Okay. That might change with the copper price as well.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Correct. We are bullish in copper prices, so we're also bullish on our share price.

Speaker 7

Me too. Okay, thanks, Aurora and Carmen. Looking forward to an even more successful 2023.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Thank you, Eric.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Polcari from Mutual of America Capital Management. Your line is now open.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Thank you. Thank you for taking my call. There are some indications that, at least in North America on the West Coast, that the drought, which has been lasting over two decades, is somewhat abating through increased rainfall and snowfall. Whether that holds up is yet to be seen, but there are some indications of stronger and longer precipitation. I wondered, have you seen anything similar on the South American West Coast, considering Chile's extensive geographic boundaries on the west coast of the continent? Have you noticed any change in the reserve of water?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

John, we haven't. No, we haven't. We haven't had a rainy, we haven't had any more rain than what we would have expected to see in Chile these days. We had a drought year again in 2022. Our water projections, our 18-month forward water projections are basically estimating the same conditions in 2023 as we had in 2022. That doesn't put our operations at risk. We, we withdraw, we withdrew very little amount of water from our water reserves last year. That was all indicated in the news release because we basically are having more efficient water recirculation operations at the plant. We are not as reliant on or as dependent on rainfall as we were in the past.

You will be seeing that profile clearly shown on the ESG scorecard that we're gonna be rolling out shortly.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Thank you. Second question was regarding the repurchases. I wondered if you used a somewhat predetermined plan in regard to the fact that it's hard, obviously, to predict the stock market and the movement of the stock itself, which may not correlate to the underlying operations. Do you choose to target a certain amount based on volume every month or every quarter? Or is it something that management sits down and just determines this is a good and opportune moment based on the indications of where the stock might be trading in the market and the available stock to repurchase? You know, is there a methodology to how you would go about the repurchases?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

I think one helpful piece of information for your question is the fact that we have a maximum amount of shares that we can purchase on a daily basis, which is around 60,000 shares. That puts a limit and we're that's an inherent break within the whole system. Other than that, we monitor our cash flow constantly. We have all the information that we need from MVC. We factor in different copper prices, and we make decisions accordingly. It's a very dynamic exercise, John.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Okay. Thank you. In the same vein, once you've completed the repurchases under the approved program, is there an opportunity to reload before the year is expired with another application to the Toronto Exchange, or are you effectively restricted?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Yeah. Not under a normal course issuer bid. Normal course issuer bids can only be initiated 12- months of each other. We faced that situation last year. We completed.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Right.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

the normal course issuer bid, in June, and we had to wait until December to initiate another normal course issuer bid. A company can initiate a substantial bid at any point in time. If it does so, it has to suspend temporarily its normal course issuer bid because you cannot have both running concurrently.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Okay. Under the normal course issuer bid, the limit annually is approximately 10% of the outstanding. Is that correct?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

It is based on a formula that takes into consideration the trading volume. In our case, it's 10.75 million shares for the current program.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

10.75 million. The current program expires in December. Am I correct?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Correct. December the first.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Great. Thank you. My last question is regarding the cash costs. I know there's been a significant amount of inflation across the board with material, labor, et cetera. Backing out what you mentioned regarding lower molybdenum byproduct credits, increased refinery charges, Chilean signing bonuses, there's still approximately a $0.10 year-over-year increase in cash costs. I wondered if you could give a little more detail or comment on that. Is that just general overall inflation across the board, or are there any other particular areas? Since the two largest costs there, I believe, are energy primarily, which is fixed with a U.S. inflation rate on top of that, and the labor costs, which obviously you have in check with the new labor agreement. What else would be driving?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

John, we have all of that information on our, January 17th news release. We provided an indication of where the cash cost increases are coming from. You mentioned correctly, one of them is power, the other one are TC/RCs.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Right.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

We provide the quantum of the changes that we're expecting to see this year in line costs, smelting processing costs, industrial water costs, and all other costs combined. All the information is on the guidance we provided in January 17th.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Okay, got it. I'll take a look. You're still experiencing overall inflationary pressure. Would that be a safe statement, or has it abated to some degree?

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

We are not seeing at this point in time anything different in the actual results for January and February to what we've had estimated in our guidance.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Thank you.

John Polcari
Senior Analyst, Mutual of America Capital Management

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Aurora Davidson, please continue.

Aurora Davidson
President and CEO, Amerigo Resources

Thank you very much. Given that we have no further questions, I would just like to extend my appreciation for all of you people that have attended the earnings call. We will be back in early May to discuss first quarter financial results. In the meantime, do not hesitate to reach out to us if you have any further questions about Amerigo. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for your participation, and please that you may disconnect.

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