Aris Mining Corporation (TSX:ARIS)
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Investor update

May 24, 2023

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. My name is Alina Islam, and I'm a Mining Analyst here at Red Cloud Securities. I'm very pleased to introduce Aris Mining to you today, a mid-tier gold producer with two producing mines in Colombia. For the webinar today, we have with us T yron Breytenbach, SVP, Capital Markets. Tyron will provide an introduction to the company, including an overview of its Marmato and Segovia operations. After the presentation, we'll take your questions live. Please send us your questions via the chat box and we'll get through as many as we can. Before we get started, though, I do need to mention the disclosures. For Aris Mining, there may be some forward-looking statements made on this call. I would direct listeners to the cautionary note on page two of the Aris Mining corporate presentation located on the company's website.

For Red Cloud Securities, I would highlight that this webinar is for information purposes only and should not be considered a solicitation to purchase or sell securities or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. We note that this call does not take into account the particular situation or needs of individual investors. Participants should rely on their own investigations and seek their own professional advice before investment. Please see our most recent research located on our website for Aris Mining specific disclosures. With that, I'll hand it over to you, Tyron. Please take it away.

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Thank you very much, Alina, and thank you, Red Cloud, for hosting. As Alina mentioned, I'm SVP, Capital Markets here at Aris. I joined the company about a year ago. I have a tenure background in capital markets, where I was an Equity Research Analyst. Before that, I was a Geologist in the exploration and mining industry. Really excited to be back on this side of the wall. At Aris Mining, we're building a new Latin American-focused gold producer. Anyone watching this space will have noticed there's a ton of consolidation. Premium's been taken out. We've just seen Newmont and Newcrest execute a merger. Yamana has been gobbled up. We think the sector is short on mid-tier growth stories. When I was an analyst running around meeting institutional buy-side investors, I found that that's where they wanted to be positioned.

We're creating a company to fill that void. Please do read our disclaimer. Our technical report and any other relevant information is easily accessible on our website. Our company, in a nutshell, is built on four pillars. The first pillar is growth. We want to be a growth story, and I think what's unique about our asset base is each one of our mines, on its own, can do 200,000 oz a year. That's a big number. Assets like that are rare in this market, and we've got four of them. We don't need to take exploration risk. We have over 20,000,000 oz in our inventory when you look at all categories. We've got a robust balance sheet and funding profile. Despite the fact gold is floating with 2,000 oz again, the markets are volatile. There isn't a lot of equity capital out there.

We don't need to worry about that. We have $230 million in cash. We have $260 million in project funding, and our mines generate free cash flow. We're really insulated. We can grow. We don't need to worry about the market. We've got a proven team. Our board is a who's who of mining pedigree. Our CEO, Neil Woodyer, built up Endeavour Mining from a single asset. Ian Telfer did the same thing with Wheaton Precious. These guys are entrepreneurs. They know how to build a business, they know how to do deals, and you are co-investing with proven mining entrepreneurs. The fourth pillar is our strategy to unlock value while we wait for a higher gold price. We all believe the gold price is going higher.

We don't control the gold price, but if we grow from 250,000 oz this year to 400,000 oz two years from now, which is our plan, our fully funded plan, we believe our stock's going to go up even if the gold price is flat. I'll just skip a few slides here and try and keep it tight. Today, we are already producing around 250,000 oz. We're doing that at very low cost. Midpoint of our all-in sustaining cost is $1,100 an ounce. We've got a lot of reserves and resources, and we're primarily focused on Colombia, and we do have a big advanced development project in Guyana as well. We are focused on Latin America as a geography to grow our business. Zooming in on Colombia, we are the largest gold mining company.

Our two producers, Segovia, our big producer, and Marmato, which is a small producer that we are turning into a big producer. Those are both located in established gold mining regions. These regions have hundreds of years of mining history. We have our social license there. Soto Norte is more of a frontier geography. It's going to be more of a permitting puzzle. We believe that our credibility that we've built at places like Segovia and Marmato, we can transport that template over to Soto Norte. We believe the geological potential in Colombia is exceptional, and we are very well positioned to exploit those resources to the benefit of our shareholders, but as well as the local communities. Segovia is our flagship. This slide really sums Segovia up in a nutshell. It has a history of cash flow. The mine's been around for 100 years.

It's produced over 1,500,000 oz . It has very high grade, so there's a lot of free cash flow. That steady, consistent free cash flow is very important because it opens up different funding routes. It's not often you see a mining company issue $300 million worth of bonds at a 6.8% coupon. We were able to do that because of Segovia's cash flow. It's a funding tool. It's our ATM machine. Just as important, Segovia means we have a presence in a community, the town of Segovia, which is enmeshed with the mine. We invested $12 million last year into the community. We figured out the artisanal small-scale mining challenges in this community, and it basically proves that we're a good citizen, we're a good neighbor, and that's important as we grow our business in Colombia.

Segovia itself is made up of a number of small underground mines. They feed a central processing facility. That processing facility was recently expanded from 1,500 tons a day to 2,000 tons a day. What's notable about Segovia is the grade. We're currently averaging sort of 10 g or 11 g. Our key improvements in recent years have been the addition of a polymetallic plant. We are now recovering zinc and lead, which were previously being deposited on the tailings. Not only does that generate another $10 million a year in revenue, it also means that our tailings are more benign, cleaner, and they're actually used for construction projects locally.

I would say that our track record here proves that this can be a significant source of free cash flow, and any improvements going forward are going to be incremental improvements around the edges of this operation, which has been very stable historically. I like this slide. It shows how we've steadily grown production. We're sort of averaging over 200,000 oz a year now. I also like how stable the cash operating margin has been. When you have a high-grade operation, you're fairly resistant to inputs like labor, electricity, diesel. Again, we think of this as our ATM machine. One of the, I think, very unfair criticisms we get is our short mine life. We currently have about a three-year life of mine on reserves, okay? We've had a short mine life for 20 years.

It's just one of these assets where because of the geostatistical profile, you have to drill very tightly to get to reserve status. That'd be a problem if you were breaking ground on a new mine, but we've been operating here for decades, we know how the orebody behaves, and I will add that we've replaced our mined ounces every year, and we've actually grown our resource base, and we know it's a formulaic calculation to convert resources to reserves. I personally think we are going to be in business at Segovia for 10+ years . To emphasize that point, I like to show our regional exploration map. There are over 30 veins that have been mapped by our artisanal partners, by our geologists at site, or we've hit them in a drill hole.

We're currently only mining four of these known veins, so there's a huge canvas here, and we're actually spending $17 million in exploration at Segovia. I think, again, we're going to put out some very interesting results, replace our reserves, hopefully grow our reserves, and continue to add to our resource base at our flagship asset. Segovia is, I think, the template in Colombia for dealing with the artisanal small-scale miners. I've seen some research that there are over 300,000 informal miners in Colombia. The way this has been dealt with in Segovia by our predecessors, GCM, is to partner with the artisanals. Typically, an agreement would look like us purchasing their ore. We're getting 96% recovery at our process plant versus their typical 40%-50% recovery. That revenue means they can be even more profitable, even after Aris takes its cut. We provide geological support.

We can help with managing explosives delivery. We look after safety. When the ore is going through our mill, it means there's less effluent in the local streams, and there's been a measurable decrease in the toxins in the local drainage basin. Five years ago, there was one artisanal agreement. We now have over 68. That covers over 3,000 people. These are 3,000 new taxpayers who now have a bank account. This formalization effort is a priority for the new Colombian government, and I think we're going to be a really strong partner in that regard. Doing this gives us the credibility to go and permit things like Soto Norte, in our opinion. Marmato, I think, is the exciting part of our story. Building Marmato turns Aris into a 400,000 oz a year producer. We are already active at Marmato in the upper mine.

If you look at the cross-section on the right, you can see that Marmato is a porphyritic intrusive, so it's a big, bulky, intrusive system with an epithermal vein system coming off of the porphyry. Historically, we've only mined the epithermal vein system. That's a small mine, produced around 25,000 oz last year. We're not there for the epithermal system. We're there to go after that big porphyry, which has over 8,000,000 oz of established resources. Because we're expanding an existing operation, that lowers the permitting hurdle. I think it lowers the estimation risk. We know what it costs to hire a miner in the town of Marmato. We know what it costs to ship a ton of cement to Marmato. It's a much lower risk expansion, and it's fully funded while we're talking about it.

Our most recent study on Marmato was completed in September of last year, so these numbers are very fresh. What we're looking at is expanding the processing rate from 1,500 tons a day to over 5,000 tons a day. We're going to stick in a new ramp, build a new tailings facility, a new processing plant. When the lower mine is up and running, the project will average over 160,000 oz a year, and at its peak will do 180,000 oz a year. We're going to do that at very low cost. Our estimated all-in sustaining cost is about $1,000 an ounce, and that's after accounting for the Silver Wheaton royalty. Most importantly, the CapEx, which again is a very fresh number, we're very confident in that number, is $280 million.

That is easily covered with our current cash, our cash flow, and our streaming agreement with Silver Wheaton . The final thing I'll say about Marmato is we have a 20-year mine life on reserves alone. Our reserves are 3,200,000 oz. If you look at the resource addition to the reserves, this could be a 30, 40-year mine life. This is a foundational asset, and I think getting this into production is the next big catalyst for our company. We're currently in the final stages of permitting. We are hoping to receive that permit in late June, early July, and that will allow us to hit the ground running. We've got the team, we've got the study, we've got the capital. That's the next major catalyst for this company. Our third project in Colombia, and I think, to me, the most interesting is Soto Norte.

Some of Red Cloud's listeners might remember this project under the name of its former owner, Ventana Gold. This is one of the first discoveries in Colombia when they opened their doors to Western exploration. It's a very high-quality project. A feasibility study outlined a mine that will produce 450,000 oz a year at $471 an ounce. It's compact, it's high-grade, it's both mineable, and I think it's one of the last great ore bodies out there in the space. It's unpermitted. It's in an emerging region, and so we need to approach this cautiously. We currently own 20% with the right to go to 50% after we get the permit. Despite being the minority owner right now, we are the operator and the CEO of Aris, Neil Woodyer, is also the CEO of Minesa, the subsidiary company.

We are the face of this joint venture in the country of Colombia. I like to point out that Ventana was acquired for $1.5 billion. I think the value the Street gives us for Soto Norte is zero. In addition to acquiring Ventana for $1.5 billion, the former owner, AUX, which was a private company based out of Brazil, they borrowed $2 billion from Mubadala. A lot of capital has been attracted to this asset. I think we were able to pick it up at a very interesting value. To unlock that value, we need to now move it forward, apply for a new permit, and get this approved. Just setting the stage to talk about the permitting plan and path forward. In Colombia, there's a protected area that's called the Páramo. It's defined by a topographical elevation contour.

Above this level, it's sensitive because that's where the water collects. It's the start of the drainage basin that eventually flows into the watershed of places like Bucaramanga. Rightly, you want to protect that water and not expose it to any sort of harmful industry. Mining is banned in the Páramo. A couple of other operators in the last cycle who had projects in the Páramo, they were never going to have a mining license. The first comment I want to make is that we're not in the Páramo. I think there's a lot of confusion about Soto Norte, and I still hear comments that it's located in the Páramo. It is not. We are however located very close to the Páramo. Because of that, we're taking a very specific and cautious approach to the design.

Not only are we going to mine underground, but we're going to put the crusher underground. All of the dust, noise, and vibration that's usually associated with a big mine is going to be hidden underground. We're going to have an access tunnel that transport the ore, pops out 7 km away in a more agricultural industrial area. We're also designing a dry stack tailings facility, so there's no risk of tailings failure. We are going to recycle our water, and we're actually talking about putting in a grout curtain between us and the Páramo. Finally, our process plant will produce a concentrate, two concentrates, and we will ship that off-site so there'll be no mercury or arsenic in the region.

That's a very, very expensive way to build a mine, but this project can handle it just because the economics are so darn good and the grade is so good. It's the right way to build this project to balance the environmental and economic objectives. When I think about this logically, I have to point out that if you look at the satellite photo, I'll see if I can get this cursor going. If you look in this area, I'll clear it now. You can see some disturbance, some roads, some sort of white, bald areas of devegetation. What's going on there is you've got active artisanal informal mining. This mining is illegal. It doesn't follow the environmental standards and rules in Colombia. They're only getting 40% recovery. It's just not a sustainable situation.

Part of the government's priority going forward is to formalize miners across the country. We are well-positioned to work with these groups. We already have a dialogue going. We already have a proposal. One of the things we could look at doing is actually helping them be efficient, profitable, safe and clean, and maybe move those ore tons back to Segovia. I think it's that plan that means we're best positioned to permit this asset. That being said, you are not paying for Soto Norte now. I believe based on the most recent analyst reports, Aris is trading at 2x cash flow on Segovia alone. You're getting this as a free option. When it's permitted, I think it's worth billions. I think that's the way to think about Soto Norte, where we put our heads down and work diligently through the permitting process.

Our fourth asset, and our first one outside of Colombia is Toroparu. It's located in Guyana. Since getting control of this asset, we have reworked the geological understanding. We put out a new resource. We did bring the resource down, but there's still close to 7,000,000 oz here at 1.4 g. That's a good advanced project. We're doing our engineering work. We're trying to figure out what the ideal mine looks like. We're going to focus on Marmato for now. We're not going to build Marmato and T oroparu at the same time. This is a great project, has a lot of value. We just need to see where it fits in with our capital budget. What I do like is how much infrastructure is going into Guyana. Since the big offshore oil discovery, I believe Guyana's GDP is growing at 40% a year.

There's a lot of money coming into the government coffers, and these oil rigs don't employ enough people, so they're reinvesting that into the interior, into mining. I think it's a pretty interesting second jurisdiction for us. We do have an asset in Ontario. I'd say this is non-core. We won't be spending a lot of money here, but 2,000,000 oz in the Abitibi, that has value. We don't even really get a chance to talk about this because I think so many of our other assets are not reflected in our share price. If you look at our profile, I think we can surprise investors by how many ounces we have in the ground. We have 15 ,000,000 oz in M&I, about another 8,000,000 oz in inferred. We have one of the best balance sheets in the space.

That's made up of $230 million in cash. Remember, we have another $260 million in streaming commitments from Silver Wheaton. As soon as we get our permit from Marmato, Wheaton releases the first payment. We've got a great growth profile. I think gold stocks are growth stocks. I'm showing the growth profile here over the next three years. If you looked out over five, six years, I think we would be even more attractive versus the group. We currently have a market cap. This slide's a bit outdated. The stock's at around $330 million today. We probably have a market cap of $450 million. I'll go through some valuation in a second, but you're getting a lot of gold per ounce here. Very tight capital structure. Something I'm very proud of is the fact that the management team owns about 6% of the company.

We're starting to get some analyst coverage. Average analyst share price is around $7.5. Lots of blue sky given where we're trading at today. Management's average cost base is around $4.50 a share. Again, if you buy the stock today, you are going to make money before the management team does. I will flag that our CEO bought about $1 million worth of stock over the last two days. We're out there buying in the market right now on this weakness because at Segovia we're making a lot of money, even at $1,900-$1,950 an ounce. The board, again, lots of big names here. Ian Telfer took Wheaton from a $20 million shell to a $50 billion market cap at one point. A bunch of company builders like Neil Woodyer, Peter Marrone. I also wanted to highlight some of our Colombian board members.

Mónica de Greiff, she used to be the Justice Minister in Colombia. She used to work for the utility in Bogotá at the time when the current president was mayor. She's respected in country. She helps us understand the politics. We've got a lot of representation here from Colombia on our board as well. Just to summarize before I actually want to show you one or two slides in the appendix, we're a proven team. We own our own stock. We've done this before. We don't need to raise capital. We're not going to dilute our stock. Three years from now, we'll probably have the same number of shares outstanding. We're going to be there when the gold rally happens. We're growing. Yes, Colombia comes with risk, but we believe the risk is priced in and we are best positioned to manage the risk.

That's the story in a nutshell. I did want to hit on this slide. This is from our friends at Cormark Securities. All of our research is great. This is just the most recent one I read. This is a chart of price to net asset value and price to cash flow with all of the mid-tier producers. We are not even on the chart, right? We're down here at 2x cash flow and 0.28x NAV. I do think we are inexpensive even if you discount all of our assets. Another interesting slide that's a new addition to our presentation is, please bear with me, just a reminder about how special Soto Norte is.

When I was an analyst, one of the things portfolio managers would often ask is about the ounce per vertical meter, because it is not just about grade, it is about geometry, right? If you have got 15 g in a 1 m wide zone and 10 g in a 20 m wide zone, I can tell you the latter is going to be more profitable. Some of the investment banks in the space did a peer comparison and both Soto Norte and Marmato have some of the best ounces per vertical meter in the space. The only thing close to Soto Norte is actually FDN, which is the flagship asset for Lundin Mining, and i s obviously generating a lot of cash flow. They are paying a big dividend. I think it is easy to get caught up in some of the pushbacks.

I know the gold space, actually a lot of sectors aren't catching a bid right now. Again, we're well-financed. We own our own stock. When the market comes back, we've got a fantastic asset base and are one of the few growth stories out there. I appreciate the time and attention and I will hand it back to Red Cloud at this point.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Thanks a lot, Tyron. That was a great presentation. We can start the Q&A portion of the webinar now. Just as a reminder to everyone on the line, you can type your questions into the chat box at any time. We do have a few questions. Tyron, maybe starting with Segovia. You had a bit of a challenging quarter, in Q1 with the fire. Have throughput levels returned to normal there?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

We had a very challenging quarter. Remember, right after we closed the deal with GCM and Aris, the merger, we had expanded the mill to 2,000 tons a day. As part of that expansion, there were some hiccups. A belt caught on fire, and we had to do some repair work, so the mill was down for a number of days. As of today, we're back up at sort of 2,000 tons a day. The grade did dip as well a little bit, but I think it's natural when you go from 1,500 tons a day to 2,000 tons a day, the grade's going to come down a little bit. Net-net, you're producing more gold at lower costs. Remember that we are continuing to grow our artisanal partnerships.

Having a bigger mill is never going to hurt us, because it allows us to potentially do more deals and draw more ore from the artisanal sources. Sometimes these artisanals are sending us material at 20 g- 40 g a ton.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Okay, no impact to your guidance for this year?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Look, we sort of check in on this month-to-month, right? We're still a ways away from the end of Q2, but we did not change our guidance or warn that our guidance was at risk, so our guidance remains unchanged. Definitely, it's looking like the lower end of a big range.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Okay. You talked about Segovia and the $17 million you're spending there. Are those on the existing mines?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Great question. It is split. I don't know exactly what the split is. Off the top of my head, I am going to say 70/30. Okay. I think this might be the first year where we not only replace reserves, but add to reserves. We broke it out in our last quarter on sustaining and expansion capital, but we are actually looking at new areas as well. Could we open up a new ore face, a new underground access point at some time? Yeah.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Okay. Switching over to Marmato, what's the plan to fund that $280 million in CapEx?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

We have $230 million right now. Okay? I think our cash is at a low point. Last quarter, we made a $50 million payment to Mubadala for our interest in Soto Norte. Now we can start to build our cash position again. Okay? Last year, Segovia did $80 million in free cash flow at the mine level. Even without free cash flow, we have $120 million due to us from Wheaton Precious Metals. They buy half the silver from the ore body. They owe us another $122 million. I would say between current cash and Wheaton, we're overfunded. Plus, we have cash coming in from Segovia, and at some point from Marmato as well.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

All right. Just another question here. Porphyry deposits, they show a lot of potential. Do you have any plans of exploring other types of mineral deposits?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Yeah. Look, our neighbors, Collective Mining, have made a wonderful discovery. It actually looks like it could be in the earlier Marmato. I think that sheds a light on the region. We have tons of targets. As a geologist, that's one of the frustrating things for me is people are watching our production, they're watching permitting, right? Which are not the splashiest things. If we wanted to explore, we could put up some really big numbers. It's just, we've got the gold, right? Our board wants to build and produce, we're gonna do that. At some point, I would love to talk about that. Actually, we've got a VRIFY site on our webpage for Soto Norte and Marmato, I would encourage anyone who wants to dig into those assets to go through that, set up a call with me.

Yeah, at some point, there'll be tons of additional targets over and above our existing resource base.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Moving over to Soto Norte, is it just the permits that will let you increase your ownership to 50%? Are there any other conditions?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

No. Once we get the permit, we can go to 50%. That's going to cost us another $300 million. We're kind of protected on the first 50%. I will flag that this asset is no royalty, no offtake. It's clean, which will really help us fund this one day. As Ian Telfer put it, we can take a shot at the second 50%, but that's going to be at retail. We're not getting a special deal on that.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Another question here on Soto Norte. Can you tell me about the permitting and why it got denied the first time?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Yeah. There were a couple of reasons. I think, one of them was just the communication got derailed. Okay? Mubadala is not a mining company, okay? They were going through AUX. When Eike Batista, the majority owner of AUX ran into financial difficulties, Mubadala was sort of forced to become the owner, right? I think they used consultants. I think they didn't understand what was going on the ground game. Sometimes when you're having a troubled negotiation, it's good to just switch the negotiator. If you look at FDN, Kinross, and Lundin, that's exactly what happened, right? That asset would probably never have got permitted to move forward under Kinross' ownership, but it did under Lundin Gold. That's the first thing. There's a big cultural difference, right?

They're sitting in Abu Dhabi, probably not fluent in Spanish, going through consultants, haven't really built a mine before, whereas we're the largest gold mining company in Colombia. I believe there were some questions about looking at the tailings a different way. Okay. I think the prior owners felt like they had done the study, and they wanted to move it forward, whereas we're happy to go and look at everything again. We've looked at alternate tailings locations. We've looked at this grout curtain. We're pausing and spending more time working with the regulators to make sure when we submit the application, they're 100% on board. The bar is high, because in Colombia, from what I understand, the person signing off on the environmental permit, is personally liable. Okay, it's a really high bar.

I think they're doing the wise thing, which is understanding the water, understanding the tailings, understanding every aspect of the project in minute detail. We're doing all of that right now and hoping to resubmit the application later this year. Then you're looking at one to two years processing time.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

What about Toroparu? Do you have an estimated timeline in mind for that?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Yeah. One of the things we are dealing with since we completed the merger with GCM is GCM was gung- ho. They spent $60 million last year. We looked at it again and felt like it only had a PEA. We had issues with the resource. We redid the resource and downgraded it. I think that's a positive, not a negative, because we're now more sure what this asset is. Okay? When you change the resource, you need to relook at the design. Should it be 12,000 tons a day? Should it be smaller? Should it be bigger? We're doing that work right now, and I think later this year, we'll be able to give the Street a better idea of what this project is. I think that's a better strategy than just charging ahead, spending money.

We're going to protect our capital, it's not like we don't have another project to build, right? Marmato's right there in front of us. We're going to build that one first. Yeah, I'm hoping towards the end of the year to guide better on Toroparu.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

Okay, you touched on Juby very briefly. Do you have any plans there?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Juby is not big enough and not high enough grade, right. You're looking at sort of the 2,000,000 oz open pit at a gram, right? There's a ton of those kicking around. They have value, but they need to be made bigger and higher grade. We've just had so much going on in Colombia. We're not getting credit for Marmato and Soto Norte, we're not going to go mess around up in Canada. We might look at just understanding the structural picture, finding some high-value targets. Is there an area we could drill that could really boost the grade, or could we add a satellite pit or make the pit bigger. We're looking at those things now, we don't want to detract from our focus, which is just turning into a 400,000 oz gold producer.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

All right. Last question here, Tyron. Could you maybe provide a summary of your key catalysts in the next 6 to 12 months?

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Yeah. I think that Marmato, the permit at Marmato Lower Mine is a huge catalyst. We don't have full control over this. It's looking like this summer. We had the mines minister at Marmato a couple of weeks ago. They were all saying positive things. I think that's a huge catalyst. Just executing, right? Marmato is not a hockey stick growth profile. We go from 30 to 40 to 62, and I think just continued execution, I think it proves that Colombia is a reasonable place to do business. You can get permits. You can build mines in Colombia. The slow growth profile unlocked. I think we're a show-me story, and so it's just a matter of putting our heads down, getting permits, building mines. There's a ton of net asset value in the company.

Alina Islam
Mining Analyst, Red Cloud Securities

All right. Well, a lot to look forward to. Well, thanks a lot for taking time to host this webinar with us today. Just as a reminder for our audience, our next webinar will feature Western Metallica Resources, and that's tomorrow, May 25th, at 2:00 P.M. Eastern. Thanks for tuning in with us, everyone. Have a great day.

Tyron Breytenbach
SVP of Capital Markets, Aris Mining

Thank you very much.