Hello, everybody. I'm John Chen, Chief Executive Officer of BlackBerry Limited and Executive Chair of the Board of Directors. On behalf of the board and management, it is my pleasure to welcome you to the company's annual meeting of shareholders. Once again, this year, we're hosting our meeting in a virtual-only format through a live audio webcast to mitigate risks to the health and safety of the company's shareholders, employee, and other stakeholders related to the COVID-19. We have also found that the virtual format is more inclusive, and many more shareholders have been able to join us virtually than previously at any of our in-person meeting. Even though the meeting is in the virtual format, procedure has been implemented to ensure that shareholders and proxy holders, regardless of their location, will be able to participate in this meeting and engage with us.
Registered shareholders and valid proxy holder who are participating online will be able to listen to the meeting, submit questions, and vote in real time. Non-registered beneficial shareholders will also be able to submit questions through the online meeting platform. The secretary of the meeting will cover the procedures for all of this in just a moment. With that said, it is now my pleasure to introduce a member of the company's board of director who are in attendance on this webcast today. Mike Daniels, Tim Dattels, Lisa Disbrow, Richard Lynch, Laurie Smaldone Alsup, Barbara Stymiest, Prem Watsa, and Wayne Wouters. As we noted in our management proxy circular, Barb has decided not to stand for re-election at today's meeting. On behalf of the company and the rest of the board, I want to thank her for the 15 years of leadership, dedication, and advice.
In addition to the board, we also have members of the company executive team attending this webcast, and we are also joined by Phil Kurtz, the Corporate Secretary and Deputy General Counsel of the company. The formal part of the meeting will be chaired by me and will include my annual update on BlackBerry's strategy and performance. Following the completion of the formal business of the meeting, we will address questions submitted by shareholders. I would now like to call this meeting to order. As chair, I will ask Phil Kurtz to act as Secretary of the meeting. Phil will now go over the procedures and items of business for the meeting. Thank you.
Thank you, John. I'd like to start by highlighting a couple of important procedural matters that apply to our virtual meeting relating to questions and voting. Questions can be submitted by any shareholder or proxy holder who logged in with a control number or username using the messaging feature of the virtual interface. If you logged into the meeting as a guest without a control number, you will not be able to submit questions. Questions will not be displayed but will be read or summarized as appropriate. Generally, questions will be addressed only during the Q&A session after the formal part of the meeting. However, questions regarding procedural matters or that are directly related to an item of business may be addressed earlier. Voting on all matters will be conducted by electronic ballot.
Registered shareholders and duly appointed proxy holders will be asked to vote on each item of business only after the presentation of all business items. In order to expedite the formal business of today's meeting, I will make all motions on voting matters. When you're asked to vote, you'll receive a message on the virtual interface requesting you to register your votes. You'll only have a certain amount of time to do so when the polls are open. Final detailed voting results will be published on the Canadian Securities Administrators SEDAR website and the SEC's EDGAR website and on our website after the conclusion of the meeting. Pina Pacifico of Computershare Investor Services will act as scrutineer for the meeting today.
I confirm that we've received a declaration of Computershare, confirming that the notice of this meeting was properly given to all the shareholders entitled to receive the notice and to the directors and auditors, together with the management proxy circular and form of proxy. Copies of the circular and other meeting materials are available under the company's profile on SEDAR and EDGAR and on the Envision website established for the meeting. I'm in receipt of the scrutineer's preliminary report stating that a quorum of shareholders is in attendance. The scrutineer's report shows that there are shareholders or proxy holders in attendance on this live webcast today, holding 303,049,876 common shares of the company, representing approximately 52.5% of the common shares issued and outstanding.
I therefore declare this annual meeting of shareholders to be regularly called and properly constituted for the transaction of business. The first item of business is the presentation of the financial statements of the company for the fiscal year ended February 28th, 2022 . These include the consolidated balance sheets as of February 28th, 2022 and February 28th, 2021 , and the related consolidated statements of shareholders' equity, operations, and cash flows, together with the auditors' report. Copies of these documents have been mailed to the shareholders who requested them, and they are also available on SEDAR and EDGAR. We'll now proceed with the election of directors for the ensuing year. As determined by the board, the number of directors to be elected today is eight.
Information with respect to each of the individuals nominated for the position of director was set forth in the Management Proxy Circular, and each of the nominees has agreed to serve as a director, if elected. As at previous meetings, we will be nominating and approving individual directors and not a slate of directors. Bylaw number 84 of the company sets out a procedure requiring shareholders to provide advance notice if they wish to nominate any person for election as a director of the company. The company has not received notice in accordance with the bylaw from any shareholder intending to propose a nominee for election as a director at this meeting. Since there are no other nominations, I move to elect the directors named in our proxy circular.
Again, I remind you that voting on all matters to be acted on at the meeting today will take place electronically after the presentation of all business items. The next item of business is the reappointment of the independent auditors of the company. I move that PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP be reappointed as the independent auditors of the company until the next annual meeting of shareholders, and that the board of directors be authorized to fix their remuneration. The next item of business is the approval of unallocated entitlements under the company's equity incentive plan. The number of common shares reserved for issuance under the company's equity incentive plan can be replenished in certain circumstances, such as when outstanding equity awards are forfeited or canceled before they are vested. The replenishment features of the company's plan are described in detail in the management proxy circular.
Because of these features, the company's plan does not have a fixed maximum number of shares issuable under it and is considered to be an evergreen plan. Under Toronto Stock Exchange rules, unallocated equity awards, being awards that remain available for grant under evergreen plans, are subject to shareholder approval every three years. Shareholders initially approved the company's equity incentive plan in 2013 and last approved unallocated entitlements in 2019. I move that the resolution on unallocated entitlements be adopted. The final item of business is the approval of our annual non-binding advisory resolution on executive compensation. Our say on pay vote. This resolution provides that on an advisory basis and without diminishing the role and responsibilities of the board of directors, shareholders accept the approach to executive compensation disclosed in the manageme nt information proxy circular. I move that the resolution be adopted.
That concludes all items to be voted on at this meeting. We will now move to electronic voting on the items of business presented. As mentioned earlier, voting today will be conducted by electronic ballot. I'll now take a moment to ask that the balloting be open to registered holders and appointed proxy holders. Polls are now open. At this point, all registered holders and proxy holders who have properly logged in with their control number or username and wish to vote will be able to see on the screen all motions brought forward at this meeting. Please register your votes by accessing the voting page and by selecting the for or withhold button next to the name of each proposed director and with respect to the reappointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers as the company's auditors.
Then by selecting the for or against button with respect to the approval of the unallocated entitlements under the equity incentive plan and the advisory vote on executive compensation. We will provide registered shareholders and proxy holders with another brief moment to complete the electronic ballots. Once the balloting closes, the voting page will disappear, and your votes will be submitted automatically. The scrutineers have provided me with a preliminary report on the ballots. On the election of the directors, all eight nominees have been elected as directors of the company to hold office until the next annual meeting of the company in June 2023, or until their respective successors are elected or appointed. The motion to reappoint the auditors is also carried. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP has been reappointed as the independent auditors of the company.
The motion to approve the unallocated entitlements under the equity incentive plan is carried as well. Lastly, the say-on-pay resolution did not receive the support of the majority of the votes cast, and therefore the motion is not carried. This outcome is very disappointing for the company and well below our expectations. During the past year, the company engaged with a number of its significant shareholders to better understand their perspectives on the company's compensation program. Also during the past year, the board appointed Mike Daniels as the new chair of the Compensation, Nomination and Governance Committee, and Mr. Daniels has participated directly in this investor engagement. We appreciate the comments that have been provided, including in the weeks since the filing of our management proxy circular.
The board and the committee believe that the company's compensation program must remain competitive in order to attract and retain qualified leadership in the challenging market for talent. With this said, and while the resolution is advisory only, the board and the committee will continue to solicit and consider feedback as they seek to optimize the structure of our program and align it with the long-term interests of the company and its shareholders. In due course, we will provide disclosure on the input that we receive and information on changes that we implement to our compensation approach. As noted earlier, detailed voting results will be published on SEDAR and EDGAR and on our website after the conclusion of the meeting. It's now my pleasure to turn the meeting back over to John to provide an update on the company business.
Ahead of that, please note that John's presentation and the Q&A session later in the meeting may contain forward-looking statements. Shareholders should be aware that any forward-looking statements are made as of today based on certain assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results, performance or achievements of the company to differ materially from those disclosed here today. We're adopting for this presentation the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements that are set out in the company's annual report on Form 10-K, to which we refer you for additional details concerning the risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward-looking statements. Please note that the slides for John's presentation are available in the Investor Information section of the blackberry.com website. Now John will conclude the formal part of the meeting.
Thank you, Phil. As there's no further business to come before the meeting, I declare the formal part of the meeting to be concluded. Could you please start the video before my presentation?
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This is what drove our decision to focus on two rapidly converging growth markets. This is why we invested 29% of revenue in R&D last year. It's why our software is used by 45 of the Fortune 100. Why our software is embedded in more than 215 million vehicles, and how we were granted over 1,400 patents last year with 300 more pending. Soon, everyone will trust that they and everything around them is safe and protected in the connected world. To lead a rapidly approaching future defined by trust, BlackBerry builds everything around it. Prepared in advance to welcome a better world defined by trusted connectivity for all. BlackBerry, intelligent security everywhere.
Good day, everybody. I would like to make some remarks now about the state of the company, particularly about our strategy. For those of you who've been our shareholders and followed, you know, our progress in the last number of years, three, in particular, the last three years, you have noticed that we've been steadfastly believing in the coming of the connected world, or what we call a smart world, what everybody else calls smart world. It's really meant to improve the quality of life. It will make us safer. It will make machine-to-machine decisions faster, more accurate, and hence more productive. It will make everybody's life, the quality of life much easier, much better. We are on a mission to do that.
We've been doing this for the last three years, inclusive of such acquisition like Cylance, because we're very interested in their technology and capability to do endpoint protection. What the reason of all that is because that we're trying to build a trusted world. We believe the smart world only will work if it's a trusted environment. I'm sure that you all agree with that. Now having said that, last three years, we've been doing a lot of work putting things together. We believe that we are almost there. I would never say 100%, but it's you know 90% there with all our technology, know-how and thinking. Notice that in the beginning of the year, of the fiscal year, last fiscal year, sorry, that we have been putting together our organization that surround two business units.
The idea of the two business units are really to drive execution excellence, to make accountability, and to create transparency. We strongly believe that this is a situation where the world will converge, and I'll talk more about convergence a little later. The two business unit that we created is the IoT and the cybersecurity business unit. Let's go to the first, the IoT. These are just some examples. You know, again, the symbol of a smart city with some of the examples around, you know, what kind of function do we either serve, perform or enable? As you can see here in the IoT world, we colored the blue colored words. We rely on our IoT organization to provide the best connectivity and safety of endpoints.
I think about it as, because it's, you know, the QNX operating system, the IVY middleware, I think about it as a construction layer. This is where you build the most trusted roots. This is why QNX is so much embedded in not only 250 million cars that was spoke about in the video, but also in a lot of the chipset in NVIDIA, in Qualcomm. We're embedded into the Baidu autonomous driving platform, and the list goes on. We are not only embedded on safety, but we're now enabling the connectivity with cloud edge. We'll go more of that a little later. But those two are the function, the main focus are on connectivity and safety. Now, when we move over to. Sorry, quick, we move over to the cybersecurity side.
Again, same mission, building trust throu gh connectivity, security, safety, and privacy. The cybersecurity is supposed to be very focused on security and privacy of the endpoint and all the connections. In there we have a lot of communication technology, like secure messaging and secure voice technology. Not to mention the endpoint that's powered by AI ML that we have integrated from Cylance, and the highest certificate in security for our UEM management platform. You have IoT connecting, you have cyber managing and secure, and together they will form a common big data lake. This has been our. I sometimes don't like the word strategy because it's so kind of overarching and not well-defined.
We are operating this way, so this is an operating strategy and I have, you know, I feel very good about where we are today. We have a very experienced team. You probably know some of our members of our team. Oh, sorry. Obviously, it's very important that what we're doing has a very big market that we could serve. You could see that the slide that I put up, we only picked out where we could provide solution, where customer will actually purchase our technology and deploy it and what that TAM is like. Now, in this TAM, the total available market, sorry. In this particular TAM, I did include IVY in this, which is the cloud to edge computing for sensor management, data analytics.
They did include that for the total TAM. It came to $97 billion by the year 2025 with an 18% compounded annual growth. As you can see, both markets are extremely vibrant markets, and are really high growth markets. I'm very pleased that we focus and pick on the high growth market, therefore, there's no headroom issue going forward for us. I'd like to show some accomplishment in FY 2022. We did have a small growth in revenue over the year before on software and services.
As you all know, that we have been trying to pivot the company from being a cell phone company in 2013 when I first joined the company, and truly pivot to software in the year 2016 and up. We start tracking software and services as our KPI. You can see that this, the six-year compounded growth rate is 11.2% on software and services. The revenue from software and services is now representing 91% of our total revenue today. That compared to 16% of our total reven ue in FY 2016 and 2% of the total revenue FY 2013 is software and services. We're making good progress.
Of course, we believe the real, you know, the really good progress is yet to come. As far as some of our achievement on the market size side of the equation on FY 2022, which we just finished, you know, we have, for example, I'm gonna go just pick a few of them, but some of them were stated in a video you heard earlier. 500 million endpoints we have in our data lake. We're working very hard on making the data lake a much more reachable data lake, I would say. We announced this morning, for example, $560 million of QNX revenue in our backlog. That was a 14% increase year-over-year.
We also have very good penetration of QNX in the medical world and in embedded medical devices and obviously the electric vehicle world also. Much so that 24 of the top 25 EV OEMs by volume, meaning by production volume, uses QNX or employ QNX in the vehicle. We have 48 products launched in last year. 29% of our total revenue devoted to R&D, and it consequently created 1400 or granted 1400 patents plus around the world, and still have 300 more to go that we're waiting for. Moving on to customers and partners momentum.
You know, those of you who've come to our shareholder meeting in the past, that you have seen that we like to show and thank our customers and partners that supported us. This list is carefully picked with major commitment on the customer side. They either brand new logo or somebody have a very major project with us. Example would be like Volvo. We announced that Volvo trucks are gonna be all based on QNX operating system for safety. That of course is a huge commitment. Also BMW and the list goes on. We show you the customers list that we're very, very proud of. That was actually achieved in FY 2022, are either a major project committed to BlackBerry or they are brand new logo to us.
Similarly with partnerships, either major partnerships that they either announce or start with us. You know, they obviously a lot of these are not the first time. I think the first time will be Exabeam is the first time. That helps us on the data lake side of the equation. Amazon is our big partner, a co-development partner in IVY. So this is why they're on the list. Another area that we're very proud of is our commitment to ESG. We committed to ESG very early, I think at least three years plus ago. We lined ourselves up with the standard for the United Nations. We declared carbon neutral this last year. Achieved carbon neutral this last year. We published our first ESG report.
We also have numerous investment projects that are encouraging diversity, you know, sustainability projects, Clean Water Act, and the list goes on. Partnerships in STEM education, for example, also. Some of those are in University of Waterloo. We have an indigenous people scholarship to support them into the STEM world. We do a lot of stuff, and we're very proud of the team doing all this. As a result, we have, you know, a number of recognitions. I'm not gonna, you know. I leave it in the deck for you to read when you have time to do that and interest to do that.
I would look at this first column, you know, both Volvo and Microsoft, is really about technology and product leadership recognition. Okay. The middle column with both the United Nations and Forbes and Frost & Sullivan is really about visions. Vision of SDG, vision of IVY is really about vision. Then the Yahoo Finance quotes and the SE Labs in the testing lab is an independent testing lab, it's really about product leadership. Or market leadership, however you know think about it both ways. Really about technology, thought visions, thought leadership, you know, as well as market recognition. This is. Okay. For those of you who have joined, I think it's May 12th this year, we had our annual analyst day.
We did it virtually, I think. A virtual or hybrid, I forgot. We feel good about, you know, our execution plan now. We review our three-year plan and our five-year plans, both for the IoT and cyber. The two presidents of the division were on deck to describe their plans and the assumptions behind it and so forth. It was reasonably well received, I would say, with good comments. These are the numbers that we're kind of holding ourselves to. You will notice that in the IoT CAGR, that's definitely, that's actually double. I believe that the market is about 12% growth. Somewhere between 10%-12% growth. It's actually double the market growth.
We have a whole bunch of reasons why, and we feel good about it. We're very strong in the, you know, connected ADAS, digital connected ADAS world, which is highest growing. They are growing at, one of them is growing at 29%, the other one is growing at 40% CAGR. We feel that in our IoT, particularly with the transportation side, automotive side, as well as now medical coming up, as a vertical, we feel good about able to grow at 20%. Same thing with cyber. The total cyber, the area that we cover, which are both management, security and communication, that total bucket is growing roughly about 8%-10% in a market survey.
We believe that we could grow at 10%, which is the high end of their growth rate. I'm sorry, this clicker is a little stuck. Okay. Why did we believe, particularly in IoT, that we could grow faster? I spoke about the area that we participate in, that we have a good footprint. Also, if you could look at since we've been tracking, starting 2013 of number of vehicles that QNX is embedded into. By the way, this QNX embedded into base is also naturally receptive to cybersecurity, particularly systems in the car, for example. Also particularly receptive to IVY being introduced to this space. Yet to come, those two. Just to show you some level of synergy between what we're trying to do and operate.
The compound annual growth rate is what, 34%. We had a fantastic year last year in design win. We're gonna talk more about it in the coming days. You can see that an independent research firm that actually came, you know, did the research and that survey and came up with 250 million cars and using QNX technology. That's one of the reason. On the cybersecurity side, we counted three major pillar why we believe that we could win and grow. We have the secure mobility. You know, we came from a mobility background. Tons of technology and patterns behind, you know, our ability to deliver the most secure corporate-owned devices or BYOD environments, the highest government security certificate.
We are the number one. I think our certificates count is 11. Don't hold me to it, but I'm close to that. We have tons of technology and dark sites management, device management, classified data manhandling, and so forth. Then of course, with the integration of Cylance, we have a ton of AI security technology. Particularly what Cylance is really good for, a leader in the market is the small footprint that continuous protection even without the internet connectivity, lightweight, and number one in protection technology. This list, you know, covers most and more of that. Secure communications. We have, you know, literally end-to-end. We secure data, of course, you know, from our heritage of the last 35 years.
We secure voice, all the analog signals, voice and fax. We have AtHoc, the notification system, and a lot of governments use it, in particular United States, and also Canada. Regulatory compliance, IM, instant messaging, like BBM, for example, or BBM Enterprise. Three pillars of very strong technology that we believe that the world definitely needed and customers are interested in. Those are some of the major reasons why we believe that the growth plan we laid out, that is above-average market growth plan of three-year and five-year is logical. We of course need to continue execution on that. I wanted to end our conversation here or my presentation with IVY.
This is something that we strongly believe has a fantastic future ahead of us. This is not in the numbers of the three-year and five-year plan that I just presented. It was in the TAM size much earlier of the $97 billion, but it's not in numbers. I consider this an upside to our story, so to speak. This is a co-development project with AWS. Both sides have devoted a lot of resources and attention to this. We are building an edge-to-cloud platform that is able to not only read and transport sensor data, but also able to create a metadata language above and beyond that. That is also able to connect with application platforms as well as with the AI platform and multiple clouds.
You can see that the IVY vehicle employ a lot of the technology in embedded operating system inside the chipset that is embedded in Qualcomm, for example, and NXP and NVIDIA. It's a very comprehensive data platform, and a edge-to-cloud connection platform. Lots of things to be done here, but a very exciting project. We definitely the lead in the market for sure. I wanna show you the timeline. We launched some early POC, proof of concept with OEMs. We have a lot of OEMs that responded to this, that wanted us to run the proof of concept on their vehicle, on the next platform.
We only will do a number of them before the November release, which is a big release for us, because it has all the API and SDK, the system development kit, that allow a more seamless POC that the OEM can do it themselves, for example. We expect some design wins this year, this fiscal year also. Hoping that the revenues, you know, will start coming in in the FY 2024 to 2025 timeframe. We also have a very rich ecosystem. You know, lots of application people already sign up. Some of them we have announced. A lot of them are our advisory partners.
We expand between telecommunication, insurance, predictive maintenance. You know, intelligent fleet management, battery management, so energy management and so forth. And of course, maps and voice recognition also. That concludes my prepared presentation. Before we address the questions from the shareholders, Tim Foote, our VP of Investor Relations, here will provide details of the protocol for the questions period.
Thank you, John. We're now going to hold a question and answer session addressing questions submitted by shareholders and their proxies in attendance on this webcast for approximately 15 minutes. Shareholders and proxy holders have had the opportunity to submit questions in advance and may also do so now using the instant messaging feature of the virtual interface. As a reminder, we are unable to receive questions from guests who have not logged in with a control number or username. That's important to note. We will now give attendees a moment to submit their questions. We will answer as many questions as time permits, and before answering, we will read out or summarize the question. Questions that are redundant, offensive, not primarily related to our business or otherwise out of order will not be addressed.
Further, questions relating to our Q1 FY23 financial results will not be addressed. Instead, we will defer to the earnings conference call scheduled for tomorrow. Please limit your questions to topics relating to today's subject matter and keep your questions brief to give everyone a fair chance to ask a question. Okay, looking at the questions that have come in. The first one, John, is in relation to the Pearlstein lawsuit. I'll read the question. It says, "With respect to Pearlstein versus BlackBerry, that we agreed to settle at $165 million, was anyone on our board or team given the opportunity to settle this lawsuit before February 28th, 2022? What information drastically changed between that point and April 6th, which was the day we settled, that would have meant that management team decided it would be reasonable to settle at that amount?
Thank you. Thank you for the questions. The company, both the board and the management, were prepared to go to trial on this case, which was actually it's related to our cell phone launch. I believe the Z10 cell phone launch. It was before my time. It was also before a lot of the management people came here. We felt very strongly positive about the case all along. In fact, the case was at one point rejected by the court. They allowed them to refile with more details. The case lasted a long time. As I said, it was before my time in early 2013 till this recent time. A lot of things have happened. I think the attitude of the court has changed. You said February 28th?
Yes. Year-end.
Oh, yeah. We definitely, myself taking the charge with the board's support, we definitely were against settling. We were doing witness interviews and mock trial and you know our teams, our legal teams inside and outside were showing up in New York, which is the venue of the trial, so and so forth. We got very strong push from the court to seek a settlement, and they assigned a mediator, which I would say reasonably decent. Both sides were going back and forth. We were spending a lot of management time. At the last minute, we did get some advice, expert advice, about the probability on both sides. It's not zero versus 100.
Mm-hmm.
Like, obviously when you go to a court trial and the demand. We believed that on balance, although it's painful, on balance, between what may be worse after the trial with the jury, you know, outcome is unpredictable.
Mm-hmm.
Then of course, the management time. We believe that we wanna contain the damage and wanna put this behind us, and we made that decision painfully. I mean, for those who know me know how painful that could be. I felt sorry for all the internal and external people that dealt with me on that subject. It, I believe it's a prudent decision given the attitude of the court, you know, given the scoping of what could be.
Right.
Could be zero, obviously, and what could be. Therefore, the financial exposure potentially based on an unpredictable jury trial and finally based on the management time that we put in.
Okay. Thank you for that, John. Also just a reminder, as at February 28th, an accounting loss was not considered probable and certainly not.
That would be.
Therefore, there was no accrual.
Right.
On that basis. Okay. Next question is really about perception of BlackBerry as a cybersecurity company. The question is, why is BlackBerry never mentioned on CNBC as a cybersecurity leader or even mentioned in the context of cybersecurity?
I believe that we are. We've been starting to get that recognition of being a cybersecurity company. You know, I don't know, you know, what it's referring to, but more and more you're seeing that we're getting the message out. We had a very successful RSA, which is the number one cybersecurity-
Mm-hmm.
Show in San Francisco just a few weeks ago.
Yeah.
Early June. Lots of traffic. You know, we got awards with the MITRE, which has happened to be independent testing agency. I think we're getting there. I think we've got a long way there, you know, we will pay more attention to it.
Okay. Thank you, John. We got three questions here, and they all relate to the same topic. I'm not really sure how much really we can say, but it's essentially about the patent sale, the proposed patent sale. Do you have any comments on that or would you prefer to defer that to tomorrow's earnings call?
Well, thank you. Yeah. Thank you for asking the question. You know, it's been a long journey. However, I still believe in that being the right thing for the company. I also believe that, you know, there is a high probability we'll complete that. You know, I hate to give you a timeframe because I've been given the timeframe and it's been wrong a few times, so, you know. I believe that we will complete this. That's probably all I should say because, you know, I don't want, you know, to talk about a pending transaction.
Yeah.
That's not fair to either side.
Yeah. Okay. The next question is related but not quite the same. It's how dependent are the five-year plans upon completing the patent sale as it currently stands?
No. I think the only dependency is the cash that we will invest in the business. It's really the pace of that investment, not so much that we have a cash problem. We don't have a cash problem. We don't expect to have a cash problem. As we pointed out in the analyst day, we expect to use some cash in investment this year. We expect to have breakeven cash next year and then cash positive the year after. In addition to the revenue we're working on, we're also working on margin.
Mm-hmm.
We have a ton of people, a ton of plans working on margins to make ourselves more efficient, to make our business more leveraged. As the growth comes in, we should start seeing a drop to the bottom line, at least much more in proportionality.
Yeah.
than we are today. No, I don't think there's no real critical dependency on the patent sale.
Mm-hmm.
It will be nice to put it behind us.
Mm-hmm.
It will have a, you know, a war chest much bigger than we would need it.
Yeah. Okay. That makes for all the qu estions we received today.
All right.
Thank you for that.
All right. All right then. Well, that ends the meeting today. I wanna thank everybody for attending. We look forward to welcome you again in the next year's meeting. I appreciate the s upport. I know it's been tough, but that we are doing the right thing. We're working on the right thing, and we're doing the right thing, and the market is wonderful. Thank you all very much. Have a great day.