Earnings Call: Q1 2021

May 5, 2021

Welcome to the Brookfield Business Partners First Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Alan Fleming, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Good morning, and thank you for joining Brookfield Business Partners 2021 First Quarter Conference Call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that in responding to questions and talking about our growth initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results may differ materially. For further information on known risk I encourage you to review our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U. S, which are available on our website. On the call with me today is Cyrus Madden, Chief Executive Officer Dennis Turcotte, Chief Operating Officer and Jaspreet Dell, Chief Financial Officer. I'll turn the call over first to Cyrus to provide an update on our business and Dennis will then discuss some recent activities at Brand Safeway. Jaspreet will finish with a review of our financial results. We'll then be available to take your questions. And with that, I'll pass the call over to Cyrus. Thanks, Alan. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on the call today. We had a strong start to the year. We generated company FFO record company FFO during the quarter and most of our businesses have fully recovered from the unprecedented volatility of the last year. As we have discussed in the past, we build value in BBU by buying good businesses at reasonable prices and improving their performance and cash flows. And as we make progress on different initiatives to surface value, We expect to see some variability in our earnings and cash flows. But we've been really pleased with how our operations continue to perform and we're optimistic looking ahead. All our businesses are very well positioned to benefit as global economies continue to reopen, Vaccination rates accelerate and things get back to normal. We've also been pushing forward key initiatives that will drive growth in our business. In April, we completed the privatization of our Canadian mortgage insurance business, Seijin. BBU invested about $185,000,000 for our share of the transaction, which increased our ownership interest to 40%. Sajan is now one of BBU's largest investments And I thought I'd spend a little bit of time today reminding you why we like this business and what we're doing to improve the returns it generates. Sagient provides Canadian mortgage lenders with insurance against homeowner default. Mortgage insurance is mandatory in Canada for home purchases with a down payment of less than 20%. Seigen ensures mortgages for only owner occupied homes, which average around CAD380,000 or US300000 dollars These buyers are typically young first time Homebuyers with growing household incomes. Like many businesses we own, Seijin is a market leading essential service provider. Historically, the business has generated consistent earnings and reasonable returns on equity across both housing And economic cycles. Even last year, Seijin has not seen an increase in default rates, a strong government support programs and reduced discretionary spend has led to falling household debt levels. We were able to acquire Sejan for book value. And as a private company, we think we can run this business more efficiently. As part of the privatization, Seagen raised approximately $750,000,000 of long dated favorable financing And it's now operating with $500,000,000 of excess capital. Seigen will distribute this cash later this year, subject to regulatory approvals, of course, and should also continue to provide ongoing distributions to BBU. Now over the longer term, we remain confident that we can improve Sajan's return on equity to at least 15% and probably higher than that. Apart from that, we continue to progress our capital recycling activities. During the quarter, we generated about $300,000,000 of net after tax proceeds for BBU from the sales of public securities and GrafTech common shares. We've also been taking advantage of low interest rate and strong capital market environment to refinance borrowings and enhance capital structures. Clarios, Westinghouse and GrafTech all repriced the borrowing rates on their respective term loans during the quarter. Public markets are robust and we're exploring monetization opportunities. At Clarios, we've made considerable progress on our business improvement plans focused on optimizing its U. S. Operations. And today, the business sits at the forefront of technology development as the industry shifts to advanced batteries across all platforms, including electric vehicles. There is strong capital market demand for high quality industrial businesses, And we believe Clarios is in a good position to garner a strong following in the public market. To that end, we're exploring A potential public offering of Clarios shares. If we do move forward, proceeds from a potential offering would be expected to reduce Clarios leverage. We're in a great position today and are continuing to work on a strong acquisition pipeline of high quality businesses, including those in Healthcare and Technology Services. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Dennis. Thanks, Tyrus. Good morning, everyone. Our business operations team is continuing to work closely with the management teams across all our portfolio companies on initiatives to surface value, strengthen their market positions and enhance their underlying cash flows. As Cyrus mentioned earlier, many of our operations are very well positioned to benefit as global economies continue to reopen and business conditions normalize. To focus on one in particular, I thought I'd spend some time today talking about BrandSafeway and some of the things the team is working on to position the business as activity levels recover. It's been just over a year since we acquired an interest in the company. As many of you know, the business provides work access solutions to customers predominantly in the industrial and commercial end markets. It's the market leader in North America and generates about 2 thirds of its revenue from recurring critical maintenance activities at customer sites. The business operates in a highly fragmented industry and its size and scale make it an attractive platform for meaningful consolidation opportunities. Over the past year, activity levels in the business were impacted by shutdowns and restrictions at commercial sites and the deferral of annual maintenance outages at industrial locations. In response, Brent Safeway has been very focused on managing its highly variable cost structure, which benefits from a flexible labor force and attractive contracting terms. The business has also Actions on permanent cost reductions through organizational restructuring, renegotiating supplier contracts, Reducing G and A spend and exiting lower return locations, all to align the organization to its customer base, From a market perspective, we're beginning to see signs of improving momentum across many of Brand Safeway's Industrial end markets in refining, petrochemical and power generation. Customer profit pressures from the impact Depressed commodity prices last year are abating. And with the pace of vaccinations in North America accelerating, customers are revisiting required maintenance work That has been deferred over the last 12 months. Much of this work can only be pushed out for so long and as business conditions continue to improve, Grand Saveway expects to see increasing levels of maintenance and turnaround activity returning later this year. The business It's also well positioned for longer term trends driven by the expected increased focus on infrastructure spending in the U. S. The company is uniquely positioned to serve this market through its extensive coverage of the U. S, domain knowledge in specialty services, and innovations that increase worker productivity. In addition, BrandSaverly is continuing to focus on a strong pipeline of acquisition opportunities in Over the last year, the business has closed on 3 add on acquisitions, which Further expand its geographic footprint in new markets and bring additional capabilities and product offerings to the business. BrandSafeWay has been able to execute these acquisitions at accretive EBITDA multiples prior to synergies, which further increase returns and One of the most valuable attributes of the brand Safeway platform is the positioning they enjoy Inside the fence, as we call it, given their strong relationships and ability to respond quickly to large scale customers. The company has proven that it is able to support customers in a value added way, providing new products and services, and will continue to benefit from these win win relationships in the future. While it's been a challenging environment for Grand Safeway over the last year, the management The team has done a great job responding and the business is emerging in a very strong position. We remain confident in the long term resilience of the business And we expect to see a full recovery in performance as activity levels continue to normalize through the end of this year and into 2022. With that, I'll hand it over to Jazz Creek. Thanks, Dennis, and good morning, everyone. I'll now provide a quick update on the financial performance for the quarter. As Cyrus mentioned, we're off to a strong start to the year. BBU generated company EBITDA of $387,000,000 for the Q1 of 2021 compared to $294,000,000 last year. Company FFO increased to $545,000,000 or $3.67 per unit compared to 194,000,000 or $1.29 per unit in the prior period. Company FFO includes $195,000,000 after tax gain on the sale of GrafTech common shares during the quarter and $133,000,000 after tax gain on the sale of public securities. The increase in Q1 company EBITDA over 2020 reflects improved contributions from our Business Services And Industrial segments, which were partially offset by reduced contributions from our Infrastructure segment. I'll now go through each of the segment performances, starting with Business Services. Within our Business Services segment, we generated Company EBITDA of $104,000,000 This was a meaningful increase compared to last year. Cajun contributed company EBITDA of $39,000,000 Results benefited from strong new underwriting activity and higher premiums earned this quarter as well as low levels of mortgage default rates, which were supported by strong housing market and home price appreciation. Healthscope generated company EBITDA of $18,000,000 in the quarter. Performance was strong, driven by a recovery to pre pandemic levels and improved performance At the flagship Northern Beaches Hospital in Sydney. Healthscope continues to operate with higher than normal costs associated with increased Health and safety measures for both patients and staff. Moving on to our construction business. Multiplex reported company EBITDA of $20,000,000 for the year compared to a loss of $47,000,000 in the same period last year. Productivity levels at Multiplex have normalized and project sites were open across most regions during the quarter. Bidding activity has also improved. And during the quarter, Multiplex secured new contracts in Australia and in the UK. This has increased backlog to approximately $7,000,000,000 for the business. Moving on to our Industrial segment, We generated company EBITDA of $172,000,000 for the Q1. Clarios reported strong performance And company EBITDA of $125,000,000 in the quarter. Total battery sales volumes Increased 24% year over year in Q1. Aftermarket demand continues to be very strong and we're seeing a gradual recovery in original equipment battery volumes as well. During the quarter, Clarios recognized an impairment charge primarily related to the closure of 1 of its North American recycling facilities. And this is part of the broader optimization of its U. S. Operations that we've talked to you about in the past. GrafTech generated reduced company EBITDA of $22,000,000 this quarter. This was a result of our lower ownership interest And lower realized pricing of graphite electrodes. During the quarter, we continued to monetize our GrafTech position, which reduced our ownership and resulted in a change in control and the deconsolidation of our investment in GrafTech. As a result, company FFO for the quarter includes the after tax gain of $195,000,000 from the sale of common shares during the quarter. Historically, these gains on monetization on the sale of GrafTech shares have been recorded in equity as there was no change in control prior to Q1 2021. Going forward, BBU will account for GrafTech as an equity accounted investment. And finally, our Infrastructure Services segment generated company EBITDA of $136,000,000 for the Q1 of 2021. Westinghouse reported company EBITDA of $71,000,000 Results in the quarter reflected normal seasonality Based on the scheduled timing of customer outage activity in the U. S, this resulted in reduced outage volumes and fewer planned Fuel assembly shipments compared to prior year. The business is still performing very well and remains on track to generate targeted full year EBITDA growth. Ultera Infrastructure Contributed reduced company EBITDA this quarter compared to the same period last year due to reduced contributions from its FPSO And FSO operations. Ultera's shuttle tanker business remains stable. We are also reviewing options to reduce leverage and reposition the business longer term. And finally, BrandSafe Pay contributed $18,000,000 In company EBITDA for the quarter, as activity levels continue to gradually recover despite impacts from ongoing restrictions at customer sites and near term project delays. Turning to liquidity. Liquidity remains strong and we ended the quarter with approximately $2,400,000,000 of liquidity at the corporate level. This includes $389,000,000 of cash and marketable securities as well as approximately $2,100,000,000 of undrawn credit facility. We remain very confident in the strength of our financial position to support our businesses and continue to fund our growth of activities. With that, I'd like to close our comments and turn the call back over to the operator for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Devin Dodge from BMO. Your question please. All right, thanks. Good morning. Cyrus, in the letter, there were some comments related to the new investment environment. More companies electing to go Public given the strong market conditions. Just wondering if this has been concentrated in certain sectors? And can you comment on this trend if this trend applies to corporate carve outs as well? Yes. I would just say it's sort of a broad And just to give you a little bit of color, we were quite active in 3 or 4 situations over the last 3, 4 months. And in each of them, We like the businesses, but we didn't ultimately get to where we needed to be for different reasons. 1 of the sellers decided to do an IPO instead, figuring they could get a much higher valuation. Another one Was able to do a large scale dividend recap just given where finance rates are. In one situation, we were just outbid. So I'd just make it as a general comment. I'm not sure it's too early to call this a trend, but it's certainly, Just given where capital markets are recently, what we've been observing and we've chosen to be disciplined and continue doing what we're doing. And just figuring, look, it's probably a good time to be a seller in this environment, but that's what we've been experiencing. Okay. That's good color. Maybe just a question on Westinghouse. There seems to be a shift in sentiment in the U. S. Towards being more, I'll say, supportive for the nuclear sector. Is this something that you're seeing in the business? And if so, does this impact the timing of your potential monetization efforts? Well, why don't I I'm going to let Dennis speak to What you're calling a shift in sentiment, which I'm not really sure there's been a shift. I think both Recent U. S. Administrations have been supportive of nuclear, but Dennis can give you a little bit of color. But just on timing of monetization, What I would say is this is a great company, super high quality business, super high quality management team, Incredible market position and seldom do we find companies with all of those characteristics and highly, highly cash generative. So, we're in no rush to sell this. Our intention our current intention for sure is to Maintain control at least control of this company for a long period of time. If we do decide to sell, it'll be probably be We'll look to sell a minority interest or something like that. But otherwise, we're very, very pleased with the business, and we I think it has considerable upside from here, from what we've already achieved. But Dennis, maybe you can comment on Sure. Sure. As Cyrus mentioned, I think politically the support has been there For quite a while, as governments are struggling with their power needs growing in every sector And they understand the reality of the importance of nuclear in providing baseload power. I would agree with you though that you're starting to see sentiment shift in a positive direction more broadly, whether it be in the public press, whether it be in Even different stakeholder groups, environmental groups, etcetera, that tend to often sway public opinion Are all starting to recognize that if the world wants to achieve 0 carbon, it will only be through expanding nuclear capacity. There's no other way around it. Okay. Thanks a lot. That's good color. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Geoff Kwan from RBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Hi, good morning. Just wanted to go back on Westinghouse. Just more so was I think that they've done a couple of bolt on acquisitions or announced, I think, in the past week or so. Just wondering if there's any color you can provide on kind of the combined Purchase price as well as the combined EBITDA that would be additive to Westinghouse's results? Sure. Yes, they did just although it's not finalized, it was announced. There's an agreement and we'll close on it very shortly given it's a small tuck in acquisition here in Canada. It's a company that will provide Engineering services and a variety of kind of technical capabilities that help us service the CANDU market in Canada. And yes, we will continue to do that. These are small in nature. They typically are in that $10,000,000 to $20,000,000 revenue range and they've got the typical kind of margins you would expect, 20% to 28% margins depending on which acquisition you refer to. And we'll continue to do that. We've got a growing a large and Rolling pipeline, all linked to providing capabilities that directly support our strategic plan moving forward. Okay. That's helpful. And actually, maybe if I can ask a broader question, because I think Westinghouse has done some other or others In terms of bolt on deals since you made the acquisition, if I remember correctly, the trailing EBITDA when you acquired Westinghouse, I think it was around $450,000,000 I think it's a little bit below that. But where it is today, yes, like how much would have the with these bolt on acquisitions, obviously the new ones wouldn't be included in the But what has been done historically? Like how much has that added to the EBITDA at Westinghouse versus where it is today? Maybe I'll get Jeff Fried to give you more specific numbers. Hi, Jeff. So I don't think we've ever talked about kind of the exact amount of the contribution. But as Dennis alluded, these are smaller bolt on acquisitions. They were more strategic in nature, where we've got an opportunity either to expand our presence in a particular Tuniti either to expand our presence in a particular geography or expand the service offering. And The initial EBITDA contributions are expected to kind of grow and that's the investment that we're making. I'd say day They're not largely meaningful within the context of the overall business. I'd say 5% to 10%, if even that. Okay. My next question was Cyrus, you were talking about technology and I know that at the Brookfield Asset Management, they've talked about wanting to make Investments in this more kind of mature technology. But this would be, call it, I think, kind of, I'll call it, a newer vertical For BBU, just wanted to understand, I guess, from your perspective, what's been done in terms of sizing up a sector? Where Is there a thesis? Are there subsectors? Are there kind of people that you brought in that have a lot of experience in that? Or did you already have it and just Kind of re delegate, because I know Brookfield Asset Management has, some other technology investments Within the Empire? Yes. So we're focused more on mature technologies. Let's put it this way. If we're buying software, it's going to be software companies that generate cash flow and where we see growth potential. And we're Today, we're more focused on technology services and EverRise would be a great example of an initial tech services business. And we've seen several similar businesses since. So I think that's an easy way for us to grow into it. We have actually put together a standalone, call it, technology team. We've hired some external resources, Added a few of our existing people and are very focused on it. Similarly, we're doing the same thing in We've made, as you know, made a very large healthcare investment, but we are adding resources in healthcare as well. Okay. And just my last question was, I think, Jasper, you were talking about with respect to Ultera, mentioned reducing leverage. Is that something like putting like more equity into it? Or is it something else? And would that be Maybe you and its partners or would that maybe be some other entity that might be brought in? Look, it's Jeff, it's Cyrus. I'll answer the question. In all likelihood, it's going to require some form of equity now. And we haven't finalized anything. So, this may move around a little bit. But we have we are considering Some sort of equity infusion that would come from BB Units Partners. I will remind you that We, apart from having equity invested in the company, we also are a large debt holder in the company as well. So there are several ideas we're working on, to deleverage the business, But those are part of it. And apart from that, we'll also extend debt maturities and Just bolster the balance sheet generally. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gary Ho from Desjardins Capital Management. Your question please. Great. Thanks and good morning. Maybe just staying on Ultera. Cyrus, you mentioned potential repositioning of the business longer term. Can you elaborate what you're considering and how long that repositioning might take? Yes. Look, So look, I'll let Dennis maybe talk to what's going on in the business a little bit, so to give you just a little bit of flavor of what we're seeing in the what the business is in the marketplace. But as I said, it's early days for us. We haven't reached any conclusions. We're considering A bunch of different alternatives, but the objective is to have a long term sustainable balance sheet for the business. That's our primary objective. And there are many ways we can do that. It might even involve selling 1 or 2 or 3 assets or something like that. But we haven't reached any conclusion yet. But it might be helpful for Dennis to give you a little flavor of what we're seeing in the business. Sure, Cyrus. As everybody, I think you can imagine the impact of COVID on the oil sector, the rapid drop in global consumption, The associated impact on pricing, let's remind everybody, oil actually turned to a negative price for periods of time over the last 12 months. So that has had ripple effects through the sector and has caused a lot of just variation in operating rates of some of our customers. So, the net effect has been You'll see that corresponding ripple effect through our income statement. The good news here though to me is We continue to operate the assets extremely well. We're very focused on continuing to improve the business. And now that oil sprung back, Customer interest has really started to improve as it relates to repurposing and recontracting some of our vessels, in particular in the FPSO segment. So, I think there will be this continued Volatility to a degree, because these are big assets and people are making decisions around contracting and re contracting that extend multiple years. But I that extend multiple years, but I see more positive signs in the industry than I do negative. Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then my next question, just on the public securities holdings, you saw some of that in Last quarter and also in Q1, but you mentioned, I think you still maintain some exposure there. Just wondering the thinking behind that. Do you still see Potentially taking 1 or 2 of those private, just wondering if you can share some color on that. Hi. So I'll take that. So you're right. We've sold some of our position in Q4 and then A larger position in Q1. We're still holding about a third of the original positions. And I'd say we want to kind of keep the option open. And these are great businesses that we've been following for a period of time. And the idea It's always been that if we could do something broader, that would be interesting. So for now, we're going to maintain In our position and be opportunistic if we're able to do something broader, that's great. Otherwise, There may just be upside in the equity position. Okay, got it. Those are my questions. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Kuske from Credit Suisse. Your question please. Thanks. Good morning. I'll start with a high level question. And if you could maybe give some color around your businesses, where you've experienced Revenue enhancements either from just outright units sold versus the past few quarters or pricing improvements that you've had on a per unit And then any color around just the cost reductions and the impacts you've had because clearly, I think a year ago when we had this call, There was the triage effort of really stripping out costs given the environment that we're in at that point in time. So any color on those topics would be appreciated. Sure. Look, we have such a wide The severity of businesses here that it's hard to make general comments, but probably the businesses most relevant to your question are these Industrial, whether they be manufacturing based or service based businesses. And as I've mentioned on previous calls, Management teams have just done phenomenal jobs through 2020 to cut costs, cut discretionary spending, etcetera. And all of them are really looking at every opportunity to use that to have permanent structural reductions. And Even though we are seeing some inflation manifest in certain areas, in particular in some of the commodity sectors, And we're anticipating over the next year or 2, I'm sure there'll be a little bit of creep as it relates to labor costs. These structural cost improvements that have been made, I They're going to serve us well and we don't anticipate reduced margins and in fact see expanding margins in almost all of our businesses Prominently on the cost side, because we're not we're trying not to bank on anything on the revenue side from a direct pricing point of view, Although we have price increase initiatives going on across all of our businesses as well, there's always this, What I call hysteresis or time lag, right, in all these businesses are in effect supply chain businesses. And When you get increases going on in early stage links in those supply chains, it just takes time for cost to roll through. And similarly, It takes time for pricing to price increases to be implemented. Okay. That's helpful. And then Maybe if I could just delve into multiplex and the book of business there that you've got in the backlog. Is there a decomposition you can give of the backlog between, say, resi, office, infrastructure? Just how does the backlog look? And then prospectively, What opportunities do you see? Yes. Andrew, just Hold on a second here. If we have that readily available, we'll tell you. And otherwise, we're going to have to let people know another time. But Yes. So It's a high level and we can definitely follow-up, Andrew. But, high level, the back Again, Australia and the UK. Australia is A bit larger, than London. And, it's across kind of sectors. So office, residential, not that much variability. We won a significant Hospital contract this quarter in Australia, which is going to be a large part of the backlog. It's About $1,500,000,000 Aussie dollars and this is public information. So that is a new large contract that we did win this quarter. And so a significant portion of the backlog, Almost 20% now has the health sector. But outside of that, there's nothing that sticks out. It's kind of well balanced Between office, residential, and kind of tourism and leisure, so some Hotels. Very helpful. And if I could just sneak in one more. And just running with the thesis, if you do inject capital into Ultera or do something with Do you see an opportunity to really expand and diversify the business into things like LNG and NGL tankers Just to really grow the overall business. All of those things are on the table, Andrew. So Part and part step 1 is fix the balance sheet and then step 2 is longer term, how do we position this business, so that It's successful for the long term, but all of those things are opportunities. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nick Priebe from CIBC Capital Markets. Your question please. Yes, thanks. Just on the subject of the Clarios IPO, appreciate that you can't reveal anything about The expected pricing range or the implied valuation there, but can you help us understand what motivated you to pursue a public listing for that business? Just given that Clarus was only acquired 2 years ago and it sounds like you're still engaged in the execution of your thesis with that investment. Yes. So look, Nick, we're in a quiet period, so we have to be extremely careful what we say here. But I would just say generally for all our investments, if we've made progress in our transition plan To enhance cash flows, if we see very clear runway to continue making that progress. And then if there is a buyer market that is highly interested in one of our assets, we would consider beginning to monetize at that point in time or raise equity to deleverage the business at that point in So that's really our broad general thinking, and I don't think it's any different in the Clarios situation. And you I talked about earlier, public market valuations are strong. That's Creating obvious competition for private equity buyers. The flip side of that, it's also providing great opportunities Yes. Okay, fair enough. And then do you have a read on the tax reform that's been proposed south of the border and how that might impact some of the U. S. Domiciled Operations across the portfolio, like the step up in the corporate tax rate is relatively straightforward. But is there any other nuance to the plan that stands out that Could have an impact either positively or negatively for the portfolio companies. Hi, Nick. Yes, so we've had our tax Teams obviously gone through it and looked at any proposed changes. And we don't see any material impact just given Our structure and the way we structure our investments, we're not anticipating any material impact from any of the changes that have been currently proposed. Okay. That's good. That's it for me. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jim McLaughlin from National Bank. Your question please. Yes, thanks. Good morning. First question on the brand Safeway and talking about the upcoming improvements there And sort of back half of this year, I'm just curious, I mean, you purchased this business in January 2020, and it's basically just operated So could you give us a little bit more color as to what like an optimally running brand Safeway looks like in terms of BBU's So I'd say kind of high level, we generated $18,000,000 this quarter at our share from brand Safeway and that's definitely been impacted by the deferrals and the lower activity levels that we're seeing. And I'd say from a normalized basis, we'd expect that EBITDA would be at least 20% to 25% over kind of where we're seen. And then there's also The smaller part of the business, the majority of this business is recurring maintenance contract and the other part of the business It's kind of more new construction work, and that's going to have variability and normalization of that side is really dependent on kind of when we see that activity come back. Okay, great. That's helpful. In the Business Services segment, the I guess what would be called the other component that kind of includes some of the recent transactions within DOStar and EverRise, It looks like a decent contribution this quarter to EBITDA. Is that something that's repeatable? Or is there anything underneath the surface That you can pull out and highlight for us as to sustainability of that performance. So you said at Indostar? Well, I don't like the it's the other businesses that's not Genworth Healthscope and Multiplex. Sorry, just within Business Services. Yes, correct. Yes. So The Genworth Multiplex are the larger contributors. I'd say the other businesses and Healthscope, of course. But outside of those 3, the other businesses are fairly small. There's a large number of them. The more significant EndoStar, the Ever Ice transaction, we just closed, as well as Greenergy. Those businesses for the quarter have been operating fairly on plan. Greenergy is a volume business and with some of the lockdowns that we saw in the UK earlier in the quarter, We did see some impact on that business in Q1, but it was starting to recover kind of in March as Lockdown restrictions were lifted. So I'd say maybe there's a little bit of normalization in that business. And then, Indostar performed well in the quarter, but the situation on the ground in India with COVID And kind of the health crisis, we're monitoring that closely, and we'll see if that has an impact kind of going forward. But I'd say There's a few puts and takes, but on balance, there's a number of smaller businesses and I'd expect kind of fairly Stable ongoing contribution. Okay, great. Thank you. And then, I guess, higher level and getting back to the commentary about activity on the purchase side and for whatever reason, whether it's Or themes we're targeting with some of those potential acquisitions that didn't occur. And then the follow-up to that is as we See the Clarios IPO and speculation around our Westinghouse sale, are these capital recycling transactions a required Precursor to a larger deal or are there how else are you thinking about deploying capital? Okay. So I'll start with the second one first. We have ample capital and we don't need we do not need to recycle anything in order to pursue our acquisition strategy. And we're going to continue generating capital In several quarters as we look ahead. So that is not an issue for us. As to the types of businesses we've been Looking at, working on, it's a pretty wide variety. Technology services is definitely one area. We looked at some building products companies. We looked at, I'll just say general industrial businesses, which with very strong market So just a wide variety of things and in a number of different regions as well, North America, Europe, elsewhere. Okay. Thanks very much. Thank you. This does I'd like to hand the program back to Cyrus Men for any further remarks. Thank you very much for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.