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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

May 9, 2019

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference call operator. Welcome to the Brookfield Asset Management 2019 first quarter results conference call and webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, simply press star and one on your touch-tone telephone. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Suzanne Fleming, Managing Partner, Branding and Communications for Brookfield Asset Management. Please go ahead, Ms. Fleming.

Suzanne Fleming
Managing Partner, Branding and Communications, Brookfield Asset Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning. Welcome to Brookfield's first quarter 2019 conference call. On the call today are Bruce Flatt, our Chief Executive Officer, Brian Lawson, our Chief Financial Officer, as well as Mark Weinberg, Managing Partner in our private equity group. Brian will start off by discussing the highlights of our financial and operating results for the quarter, and Mark will then give an update on our investment in Clarios. Finally, Bruce will give an update on the business. After our formal comments, we will turn the call over to the operator and take analyst questions. In order to accommodate those who want to ask questions, we ask that you refrain from asking multiple questions at one time. We will be happy to respond to additional questions later in the call as time permits.

I would like to remind you that in responding to questions and in talking about new initiatives in our financial and operating performance, we may make forward-looking statements, including forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable Canadian and U.S. securities law. These statements reflect predictions of future events and trends and do not relate to historic events. They are subject to known and unknown risks, and future events may differ materially from such statements. For further information on these risks and their potential impacts on our company, please see our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U.S., and the information available on our website. Thank you. With that, I will turn it over to Brian.

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

Great. Thank you, Suzanne. Good morning to all of you on the call. I will start off by saying that we are pleased with the results for the first quarter of 2019. Funds from operations, or FFO, totaled $1.1 billion, or $1.04 per share. Net income was $1.3 billion, with $0.58 per share of that attributable to shareholders. Both FFO and net income benefited from the continued expansion of our asset management operations and strong performance by the underlying businesses. This includes significant progress in closing new fund commitments, deploying capital into new investments across all our fund strategies over the last 12 months, and increasing returns from the existing businesses through operational improvements. I will first touch on the results of our asset management operations, which include fee-related earnings and carried interest.

Fee-related earnings were $238 million in the quarter, which before performance fees is a 19% increase from the prior year. This mirrors the 18% year-over-year increase in fee-bearing capital. The fee-bearing capital increased by $23 billion over the last 12 months, and that's due to additional capital commitments to our private funds, including the current vintage of flagship funds, as well as newer product offerings, and an increase in the capitalization of our listed partnerships due to increases in their unit prices. Now to carried interest. We generated $332 million of unrealized carried interest before cost in the quarter, and that increases the total amount of carried interest attributable to us at this point in time to $2.7 billion before cost. We recorded $119 million of realized carry into our funds from operations, FFO.

This, to remind you, is the amount that became no longer subject to clawback during the quarter as a result of dispositions and distributions to fund investors. In the first quarter, this related primarily to asset sales within one of our global flagship real estate funds. We continue to work on several other asset realizations across our more mature funds, and if successful, we could crystallize up to $1 billion during 2019. This would be our highest amount of carry realized in a single year to date. It still represents a small portion of the overall current accrued balance of nearly $3 billion that I referenced earlier, as well as our annualized target carry, which stood at $1.5 billion annually at quarter end. Turning to invested capital. Excluding disposition gains, FFO from invested capital in current quarter was $505 million.

That's a 17% quarter-over-quarter increase on a comparable basis. FFO benefited from a number of new investments across our business and the performance of our financial asset portfolio, which recovered from the market volatility experienced in late 2018. Disposition gains above and beyond the amount I just referenced totaled $223 million in the quarter, and that represents our share of gains on the sale of several investments across our portfolios. These included the partial sale of our interest in a Chilean toll road business and the sale of partial interest in three North American hydroelectric sites. We had approximately $36 billion of deployable capital across the business at the end of the quarter. This includes $12 billion of core liquidity and $24 billion of uncalled private fund commitments.

We expect this to grow in the second quarter with the first close of our latest flagship infrastructure fund and further funds raised across our other products. Our deployable capital is supplemented by accessing the capital markets when opportunities arise or the timing is right. To that end, in January, we raised $1 billion of 10-year medium-term notes at a favorable rate. A portion of the proceeds were used in April to repay a maturing note, ensuring that our capitalization remains very strong with a very long term to maturity and a debt to capitalization level of less than 20% of book value. Our liquidity is also enhanced by the increasing amount of recurring cash flowing into Brookfield from our asset management earnings and distributions from the capital we have invested in our funds.

We refer to this as cash flow available for distribution and reinvestment and provide this metric to provide insight into the free cash flow generated by our business. Since 2015, this cash flow has more than doubled and now stands at over $2 billion being generated annually. We expect this to continue to increase as our asset management business grows, along with distributions received from our invested capital and carried interest, and continues to trend towards a level exceeding $5 billion in five years' time. Finally, I'm pleased to confirm that our board of directors has declared a $0.16 quarterly dividend per share, payable at the end of June. With that, I will hand the call over to Mark Weinberg, who's going to provide an update on our private equity business' recently closed acquisition of Clarios Power Solutions. Thank you.

Mark Weinberg
Managing Partner, Private Equity Group, Brookfield

Thank you, Brian, and good morning to everyone on the call. Today, I am pleased to speak with you about our private equity business' recent acquisition of the world's leading automotive battery manufacturer and distributor from Johnson Controls. The transaction closed just this past week, and the business has subsequently been rebranded as Clarios. This transaction provides a great case study highlighting Brookfield's competitive advantages that you hear us speak of often. As we have noted in the past, in this quarter's shareholder letter, there are a few key ways in which we look to acquire businesses. We have had success recently in privatizing large companies, completing seven transactions totaling $55 billion in assets over the last two years. We have also completed five transactions over the same time period, where we carved out assets from owners who wish to realize cash from a non-core business.

These are high-quality assets run by strong operating teams, but they were just not core to the seller's business or capital strategies. This was the case with the acquisition of Clarios, which was an operating unit under the broader Johnson Controls or what we call JCI portfolio. Both JCI and the Power Solutions businesses are fantastic businesses in their own right. For various reasons, JCI decided to run a strategic review process for their Power Solutions business, which ultimately led to a sale process. When it comes to underwriting and being the successful bidder in transactions such as this one, Brookfield has three distinct competitive advantages. These advantages allow us to consistently identify and acquire high-quality assets for which we can then create significant value. This transaction is a perfect example of how we are able to use these competitive advantages.

Our three competitive advantages that many of you are very familiar with if you have been following us for a while, are, one, the scale of our business and our access to capital. Two, our proven operating capabilities that we have built up from being an operator of real assets for over 120 years. Three, our global platform and presence. First, I will start with the scale of the transaction. In fact, this acquisition is the largest deal completed within our private equity business to date. With a total transaction size of $13 billion, it was funded with approximately $3 billion of equity, including capital from our latest flagship private equity fund, as well as BBU and a longtime institutional partner of ours who participated as a co-investor.

We were able to secure $10 billion of debt financing at very favorable terms with no recourse to BAM, BBU, the fund, or any co-investors. There are few firms in the world that can commit to a deal of this size, which in turn narrows down the competition and allows us to acquire assets at fair prices. We can do this because of our ability to access multiple pools of capital at any given time. It is this access to capital and our ability to move quickly and deliver certainty on closing that sellers seek on large transactions such as this one. Carve-out transactions can be particularly complex, especially carve-outs of such an operationally intensive business like Clarios, this is where our operating expertise sets us apart.

We have a long history of running and optimizing manufacturing operations globally, this expertise helps us to identify opportunities where others may not see them or where others may even perceive there to be risks. Take, for example, in the case of Clarios, the perceived risk surrounding the future for car batteries as the demand for electric cars grows. In fact, the industry expects the total number of cars on the road to grow by 30% globally over the next 10 years, allowing us to provide batteries to the manufacturers of these cars, as well as replacement batteries for decades to come. This is true even in a world where there is a higher take-up of electric cars, as today, every electric or hybrid car also has a traditional 12-volt battery that performs many of the same functions as it would in an internal combustion engine car.

To add to this, as vehicles are increasing in complexity, the car battery is becoming more critical than ever before in order to manage the increasing electrical loads in automobiles. This is driving an industry shift toward advanced batteries, where we believe Clarios is by far the industry leader. During the diligence phase of any transaction, our operating expertise is essential in understanding how to maximize efficiency and productivity, mitigate risks, and ultimately get comfortable over the downside protection of capital and the ability to deliver on returns. Our team dedicated months on the ground working through detailed diligence and coming up with a granular business plan. Our level of diligence and prior relationship with Johnson Controls in a different joint venture helped reinforce our ability to affect the carve-out and complete the transaction. Following the signing of the transaction, we started the carve-out process.

We worked very closely with the management team in ensuring the right infrastructure would be in place on day one to enable Clarios to operate as a standalone business. In this regard, we were able to leverage what we have learned from completing other carve-out transactions in the past. Now turning to our global presence. Clarios will continue to maintain its current global manufacturing and operations footprint as with our other operations, for which we have over 100,000 employees on the ground across all the regions that we operate in. The combination of our strong local presence on the ground, as well as our cross-border reach, allows us to bring global relationships and operating best practices to Clarios.

Now, with the acquisition closed, we are excited to roll up our sleeves and work on delivering on the opportunities we identified within the manufacturing and supply chain processes to further support the business's profitability and to work closely with the management team on these and other initiatives to enhance the business. With that, I will turn the call over to Bruce. Thank you very much for your time.

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Thank you, Mark, and good day everyone. Coming off a record fundraising year for us in 2018, our efforts in fundraising continue to be strong. In January, we had the final close of our $15 billion flagship real estate fund. Throughout the quarter, we progressed closes across many of our other fund strategies. We also expect to reach a first close of approximately $14 billion in our latest infrastructure fund shortly, which is on pace to be our largest infrastructure fund raised to date. We see no signs that allocations to real assets are slowing. Turning to investment markets. While it's on the forefront of everyone's mind that we are 10 years into an economic recovery, overall, our businesses and the global environment for real asset investments look good.

Within North America, economies are strong, as evidenced by employment levels that are higher than we have seen in half a century. Meanwhile, South American countries are still recovering, albeit at different levels. Europe is slower. The U.K. is very resilient. We are often asked how Brexit has impacted our businesses. In fact, most of our U.K. businesses are doing very well. As long-term investors, we do not get too concerned with any short-term government changes. We believe that in the long term, the U.K. will still be a great place to invest. Moving on. Australia is doing okay with some residential pressures. China is slowing, is still robust, relatively speaking. India is struggling with over-leverage in the financial system. Overall, we think the global markets remain very constructive for our businesses. The same can be said for the capital markets.

Far in 2019, we have not seen a slowdown in our ability to access the capital markets. An example of this, as Mark mentioned, we successfully completed the sizable financing for the recent Clarios transaction on very favorable terms. The markets are good. I would make a comment that we don't see them as too good, meaning we do not see major excesses building, I'll put in quotations, "yet," like we saw in 2007. Lastly, turning to Oaktree. In March, as most of you will know, we announced our agreement to acquire 62% of Oaktree with the balance of 38% continuing to be owned by the management group, who will remain with Oaktree and run the business for us. Howard Marks, Bruce Karsh, their management team have built a first-class asset management business focusing on credit and with a particular promise in distressed credit.

We are thrilled to partner with them to own this business. We believe we can learn a lot from the team at Oaktree, and while their business will be run separately from ours, we believe there's still many ways that we will all gain. The strategic benefits of the partnership should come by way of a combined delivery of our products to our clients. From an opportunistic standpoint, as many of you know, we have been bolstering our financial resources in preparation for the inevitable downturn in markets and credit that will come at some point in time in the future. This partnership should strengthen our position in this regard. As some of you have asked since the announcement of the deal, Oaktree also participates in private equity, real estate, and the infrastructure asset classes. In this regard, we intend to retain two premier brands in the marketplace.

Brookfield as the large-scale transaction brand, with, I know, funds that are between the range of $10 billion-$25 billion. Oaktree, as a boutique smaller fund size brand, with funds, say, up to $5 billion. We intend to support both of those strategies, in many ways. As far as a timeline for the transaction closing, our initial plan for working through our required approvals is on track, and we continue to target closing in the third quarter of 2019. When that time comes, we hope that shareholders of Oaktree will keep their shares and join the rest of us. Operator, that completes my remarks, and we will turn it back to you for any questions that there may be from the lines for any of us.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your touchtone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press the pound key. In the interest of time, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. There will be a brief moment while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Your line is now open.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks very much. Good morning. First one is for Bruce. I've read a few articles recently suggesting that China's ongoing de-leveraging program may be creating sort of a window of opportunity for foreign investors. Was just hoping you could give some Brookfield perspective on that.

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Yes. As most of you know, our presence in China is small relative to the rest of the business. We've been increasing our investments there over the years. We recently committed to a number of real estate purchases and a solar power joint venture. Not yet closed, but we committed to buy a major office complex in Shanghai. I would just say that generally what we do is set up in countries, have the ability to acquire assets, and wait for times when more dislocation happens than when capital is freely available. For the first time in a long time, I think the local state-owned entities and some of the entrepreneurs in China are de-leveraging and paying that back to banks. Usually what that means is that we can find opportunity to participate in transactions.

I think odds favor us doing more things in China, although we're always careful when we're in places where we're less familiar. For a long time, it won't be a major presence of the company, but it keeps increasing every year.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Secondly, I was hoping that one of you could comment on the trend among your peers to convert to C Corp structures and standardize on distributable cash flow as the key earnings metric, and whether you think those changes will be helpful in terms of how the market values your own asset management franchise, and particularly the carried interest component.

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

Sure, Cherilyn, it's Brian. I'll take a shot at that. I guess as a general observation, we welcome that in the sense that it makes the class more comparable, makes us and our structure more comparable as well. I think in general, it's helpful. In terms of the specific metric you're referring to, we do think that's a useful way, and as you know, we've been focusing more on what we refer to as cash available for distribution and reinvestment. Because we do think it provides a pretty clear insight on the business and how it's performing in terms of the cash flow it's generating. Then, of course, what gives some senses to what we have available to us in pursuing growth opportunities within the business. We've also referenced potentially returning the cash to shareholders as well down the road.

We're, I'd say, pleased with both developments, and I think it's helpful to us.

Cherilyn Radbourne
Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. That's all for me.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from William Katz with Citi. Your line is now open.

William Katz
Analyst, Citi

Thank you very much. Taking the question. I guess I'd come back to the Oaktree transaction for a moment. Just want to talk about the internal decision to build versus buy, and then is there any way to sort of lay out the potential financial accretion related to the transaction?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

I'll maybe take the first part, and Brian can ponder the second part, whether he can answer that or given where we are with the process. I would just say the first, and I've said this often before, and an investor said to me the other day, he wasn't sure that I was correct, but I'll state what I have said before, and I'll make a couple of comments on it. What I've said before is probably over the next 10 years, we could have built a credit business like Oaktree. What the investor said to me is, "I don't think you could have, in the next 10 years, built a credit business like Oaktree." I guess the point was is this is one of the finest credit businesses focused on distressed credit there is in the world.

The individuals that have built the business and the whole team have spent the last 25 years doing it, or more than that. I think probably that's a correct comment, because I don't think many people can build the businesses we have in 10 years. It might take 25 years. It gives us instant credibility in the markets, ability to raise significant amounts of capital in those areas and moves us forward in a much more significant pace. We just felt it was the right thing for us to do.

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

Yeah. In terms of the financial side, Bill, it's Brian here. The way that we've positioned it to date and communicated is, I'd say we've used the word sort of modestly accretive. Generally, this is not about an immediate step up in returns in the near term or anything like that. This is a transaction that we think is fair for everybody involved, and it's a good transaction. As Bruce alluded to, a lot of this is about really building our collective ability to grow the business. Hence that obviously is going to happen as we progress. I would note the transaction is not closing for some time yet, so we're somewhat limited in what we can communicate on that front in any event.

William Katz
Analyst, Citi

Okay, maybe just a quick follow-up. Just in terms of the realization, Brian, maybe one for you as well, you sort of hedged your answer a little bit around the $1 billion. Is there sort of a shift in your expectations around the pace of realizations this year around that $1 billion or plus or minus in either direction?

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

No, it wasn't really intended to be a scaling back. As you know, these things are all transactions, they're dependent on a number of things. I don't think we'd be hedging or qualifying that any differently today than we would've when we first alluded to the prospect of generating that carry.

William Katz
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is now open.

Robert Lee
Analyst, KBW

This is actually Paul Newsome on for Rob Lee. I was wondering if you guys could provide more color on your fundraising pipeline, kind of two to three years out after sort of these big flagship fundraisings kind of wrapping up. What sort of new strategies you may be launching and focused on. Thank you.

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

The comment I would make is every few years we raise flagships. As we wrap these up, we would expect to have another flagship come 18, 24, 30 months afterwards. You can think of that for each of the flagships. On top of that, we're always fundraising for our open-ended strategies, those continue to grow. I would say they take a long time to start, once they get going and get invested, they often can attract significant amounts of capital. We continue to grow those all the other strategies that we have, we're constantly in the markets fundraising for those. In general, we raise $10 billion-$25 billion a year, I think that'll continue in the future.

Paul Newsome
Analyst, KBW

Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dean Wilkinson with CIBC. Your line is now open.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Thanks. Morning, everyone. Just a two-part question on the opportunities that the stock market volatility is creating. Are there any specific areas that you are looking at where you see value, is it just as it comes to you? The second question is, would you look at partial ownership interests there, sort of like in a Berkshire-esque, if I can say, way, do you want an all or nothing ownership?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

The answer to the first question, just where are the opportunities coming from? I would say we're always looking at businesses in the stock market that are in our areas of expertise. That's a pretty wide group of stocks when you have a global mandate and we're in the number of countries that we have. I wouldn't say it's not in any specific area, but it's in the areas that we're invested in. I'd say that's the way to think of it. Then as to partial interest, I would just say that we've tended not to own partial interest in companies because our strategy has been to operationally rework businesses, and that's not really what you do when you're into partial interest.

That's not to say that we wouldn't own partial interest, and we do own partial interest of companies, but it's generally not the strategy that we deploy.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mario Saric with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Thank you. I just wanted to touch on return of capital. Brian Lawson, you mentioned earlier on the call, I think with your Q2 results last August, you noted a plan to reduce the share count back to 1999 levels over the medium term. Recognizing, I guess timing's predicated on many things and ultimately dictated by opportunity. Can you just comment on whether the Oaktree transaction and the issuance of just over 50 million BAM shares as part of the deal changes either kind of the timing of that medium-term definition or the absolute scope going forward? In essence, kind of has the plan ride or ultimate destination changed as a result of the transaction?

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

Sure. Mario Saric, thanks. I'd say there's no real change in terms of the overall strategy. To flesh that out, I kind of revisit the central themes to it. One is, as noted, we have significant cash flow today, and that's growing significantly. When we think about what we want to be doing with that cash flow to enhance value, we look at and what we've done principally over the past period of time has been reinvesting in the business and investing for growth of the business. Clearly, the Oaktree transaction falls into that category. We do value the opportunity to be able to return capital to shareholders. We have typically done that in the way of repurchasing our stock. That's still a very compelling use of capital to us.

If you pull that all together, it's still going to be a mix over the next number of years about how do we allocate that cash flow. Growing the business, clearly that's an Oaktree priority, and I'd say we generally have a tilt towards growing the business as opposed to buying back stock. When we see that cash flow stripping the ability to grow the business, we will look at more of the return to capital side, more of the stock buyback side. I'll frame the answer that way, and obviously, we're going to be putting a meaningful amount of cash to work with the Oaktree acquisition. That means that that cash is not available for stock buybacks, but it doesn't influence the overall longer-term strategy.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Yeah. Okay, I appreciate the color. My follow-up would be if you can provide us with an update on the syndication efforts on the acquired 20% interest in the New York real estate portfolio from BPY last year.

Brian Lawson
CFO, Brookfield Asset Management

Sure. I guess the shorter answer to it is we continue to own that interest, and we're continuing to work on syndicating and monetizing those assets.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star then one to ask a question. Our next question comes from Sohrab Movahedi with BMO Capital. Your line is now open.

Sohrab Movahedi
Analyst, BMO Capital

Thank you. I just wanted to also go back to the commentary in the shareholder letter, Bruce, about opportunities in the take private kind of realm of things. I guess two-part question on that. Would that suggest more of a bias in the BBU franchise or across, I guess, the rest of the franchises as well? I'll think of it like that. Then secondarily, does that alter any of the views you would have shared last quarter around periods where it's good to deploy capital and then there are periods where it's good to retain dry powder?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Yeah, those are all excellent points. I guess I'd start maybe with the last one. The comments in the letter about stock market volatility and doing take privates really has nothing to do with a macro cycle comment. I'd say our view is still the same. We're in the upper portion of the cycle where we are not sure. In that point, we should all be very careful about how we're deploying our capital and making sure we have our balance sheets in good shape and capital available if and when the market turns. I wouldn't say it changes our overall macro general thesis of how we invest. The comments really are towards in all of our areas. To answer your first question, as opposed to just BBU.

In all of our areas, we continue to see increasing differentiations between stocks in the global markets and some shares not trading at fair value. As a result of that, it just presents more opportunity, and we increasingly having the ability to take companies private and successfully done it many times and having the credibility to do it and the capital available to do it allows us to be able to act so that many people can't. I'd say that's always been out there. It's just we see an increasing disparity between what we would view often as fair value and what trading prices are in some securities.

Sohrab Movahedi
Analyst, BMO Capital

Okay. Maybe just as a follow-up, depending on where the growth comes, regardless of whether, I guess it's the take private or otherwise as far as capital deployment, is there one franchise over another that would be accretive or dilutive to your overall margins?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Look, I think this will answer your question, our opportunistic strategies that have the highest returns, it's natural, would pay the highest fees. Opportunistic real estate and opportunistic, I'll call it private equity, are the highest returning strategies we have, and they pay the highest fees. Infrastructure is in the middle of the road, and credit would be farther across other than real distressed strategies. They're not meaningfully different.

In what the earnings out of them are. There's not a significant difference between them.

Sohrab Movahedi
Analyst, BMO Capital

Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much.

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Kuske with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Andrew Kuske
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Good morning. I guess the first question is, when you look at all your historical funds, and you look at just the factors, what factors have created the big delta from the dollars raised at first close to final close? What are the things we should be looking for on your existing set of funds that are out there?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Andrew, do you mean how do the returns get earned out of the funds generally?

Andrew Kuske
Analyst, Credit Suisse

More the absolute dollar size and maybe just on a more specific example. I think the last BIP three, the last infrastructure fund, your sort of mid-close announcement was, call it $11 billion or $12 billion, and I think the fund landed at $14 billion in the end. It's more from when you announce something like this morning at $14 billion, where do you expect the final close and what sort of changes that number?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Yeah. Andrew, I'll just make one limited comment on that, which is, I think it's really hard to go from a predecessor example, because a lot of times it'll depend on the pace of fundraising given where you might have set a hard cap, and there are a whole variety of potential influences on it. I think it would be not wise for us to try and extrapolate from one to the next in these circumstances.

Andrew Kuske
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, fair enough. Maybe just a broader question, as your fundraising momentum's increasing, you historically have had a unique view versus some of the other alts out there by offering co-investments to your largest clients. As the funds get bigger in scale, will that remain a feature of your deployment offering or is that going to be less of a focus given the fact you're going to have bigger funds out there?

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

I would just say we were trained by many large institutions when we started into the investment management business by doing co-investments with them. We think it offers an added feature to be able to do it. It gives us extra firepower to be able to do larger transactions. Even though the funds are getting bigger, we've been able to offer very significant amounts of co-invest to our clients. We intend to do that increasing in the same amounts and hopefully larger amounts going forward because we think it's important to them and therefore it's important to us.

Andrew Kuske
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, that's great. Thank you.

Bruce Flatt
CEO, Brookfield Asset Management

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I will now hand the call back over to Ms. Fleming.

Suzanne Fleming
Managing Partner, Branding and Communications, Brookfield Asset Management

Thank you. With that, we will wrap up the call. Thank you everyone for joining us.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.