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Earnings Call: Q4 2016
Feb 9, 2017
Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Brookfield Asset Management Q4 and Year End 2016 Conference Call.
As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference
is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Susan Fleming, Senior Vice President, Communications. Please go ahead, Ms. Fleming. Good morning, and good morning. Welcome to Brookfield's Q4 year end conference call.
On the call today are Bruce Flatt, our Chief Executive Officer and Brian Lawson, our Chief Financial Officer. Brian will start off by discussing the highlights of our financial and operating results for the quarter, and Bruce will then give an overview of our market outlook and Brookfield's approach to investing. After our formal comments, we'll turn the call over to the operator and take your questions. In order to accommodate all those who want to questions, we ask that you refrain from asking multiple questions at one time in order to provide an opportunity for others in the queue. We'll be happy to respond to additional questions later in the call as time permits.
I'd like to remind you that in responding to questions and in talking about new initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward looking statements, including forward looking statements within the meaning of applicable Canadian and U. S. Securities laws. These statements reflect predictions of future events and trends and do not relate to historic events. They're subject to known and unknown risks and future events may differ materially from such statements.
For further information on these risks and their potential impacts on our company, please see our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U. S. And the information available on our website. Thank you, and I'll now turn the call over to Brian.
Thanks, Suzanne, and good morning. We're pleased with the results for 2016. In particular, they highlight the significant expansion of our asset management business, which Bruce will expand on in his remarks. But in summary, we continue to expand our fee bearing capital. Highlights include closing $30,000,000,000 of private funds and launching Brookfield Business Partners.
We invested or committed nearly $20,000,000,000 of capital to a number of attractive opportunities across our asset strategies and geographies and we posted good financial results that are indicative of this progress. So turning to those financial results, funds from operations or FFO for the year totaled $3,200,000,000 and that's up to 26% over 2015. You can break this down into 3 components. Our asset management activities generated $861,000,000 of fee related earnings and carried interest, that's up 63%. Invested capital contributed $1,500,000,000 that's up 22%.
And our share of realized disposition gains totaled $923,000,000 and that's up 10%. Net income for the year was $3,300,000,000 or $1.55 per share. This was lower than last year principally because 2015 included a higher level of fair value changes relative to 2016. I will now cover some of the highlights within FFO. Asset Management FFO included $712,000,000 of fee related earnings and $149,000,000 of carried interest.
Our fee revenues increased by 31 percent to $1,100,000,000 This was due largely to the higher level of fee bearing capital, which stood at $110,000,000,000 at year end and that's up 24% from the beginning of 2015. Much of the growth related to increases in private fund capital, including that $30,000,000,000 in new funds closed last year. However, we also expanded the capitalization of our listed issuers through the issuance of new capital, increased values and the launch of Brookfield Business Partners. And incentive distributions also increased in line with the increase in distribution rates to unitholders. As a result, fee related earnings, which represent fee revenues less direct costs, increased by 44% and our gross margins increased from 57% to 62%, which speaks to the scalable nature of our operations.
Turning to carried interest for a minute, we recorded $149,000,000 of carried interest compared with $32,000,000 in 2015. As a reminder, our accounting policies require us to defer recognition of carry until there is only a remote possibility of a clawback, which means that we tend to defer carry until very late in the life of a fund. In this case, we monetize several assets from funds that are well into their distribution phase, which crystallized some of the carry that had built up over the life of the funds. Accumulated unrealized carry across all of our funds at year end stood at approximately target carry, which currently stands at $860,000,000 annually. And that represents the carry that we stand to earn if we achieve the target investment returns for our funds amortized on a straight line basis.
Now there's a natural lag in how the carry actually materializes because it takes time to deploy the capital and because as I mentioned, we defer recognition in our financial statements. But we do expect that Cary will become a more meaningful part of our operating results on both the realized and unrealized basis as our recent larger funds are invested and mature. Notwithstanding the closing of flagship funds in each of our major strategies in 2016, continue to have an active pipeline of fundraising activities with 3 funds in the market targeting $4,000,000,000 of capital. This includes our 1st perpetual open ended core real estate fund and we expect this to become a meaningful part of our real estate business moving forward. In addition, we have been successful in finding attractive investment opportunities for our 3 flagship funds in private property infrastructure and private equity, which are now 65%, 40% and 35% investor committed respectively.
And this ability to find attractive investment opportunities quickly means that we can put capital to work sooner for our clients and also means that we can commence fundraising for the successor funds once the existing funds are sufficiently invested. So turning to the results from our invested capital. FFO was favorably impacted by performance in our property group. From this segment increased by 17% as a result of higher returns from existing properties reflecting leasing initiatives, particularly the commencement of major leases in our New York market, but it also from the contribution from capital deployed within our opportunistic investment strategies. We also achieved a higher level of FFO within our private equity operations due to higher pricing volumes at certain of our operations, particularly our panelboard business.
Although this was partially offset by lower returns from some of our portfolio businesses in the energy and industrial sectors and our Brazil residential operations, which continue to be impacted by slower economic growth there. Infrastructure FFO increased by 17% due to the strong activity in our UK Connections business, expansion in our transport and energy operations and increased ownership of our North American natural gas transmission operations. Renewable power FFO declined by 13%. The impact of lower generation in our Northeastern hydro operations in the U. S.
As well as lower pricing was partially offset by the contribution from recently acquired assets in Colombia, Brazil and Pennsylvania. Finally, we achieved improved returns from our financial asset portfolios reflecting better market performance. And looking ahead, we are well positioned to pursue investment opportunities with $9,000,000,000 of core liquidity across Brookfield and our listed issuers and a further $20,000,000,000 of uncalled commitments to our private funds, total firepower of nearly $30,000,000,000 Furthermore, we continue to have good momentum across our fundraising strategies, which we believe will allow us to continue to expand our fee bearing capital during the next few years. During the year, we closed or committed to nearly $20,000,000,000 of investments across all of our asset classes and geographies. We believe our global reach, large scale capital and operating capabilities has allowed us to put this capital to work at attractive returns for our clients and our own capital.
Some examples of what was included in this number are high quality mixed use properties in Seoul, Mumbai and Berlin, hospitality self storage and student housing in North America and the UK, major hydro portfolio in Colombia, hydro facilities in Brazil, U. S. And wind facility developments in the UK, pipeline and transmission projects in Brazil, toll roads in Peru and India and a cell phone tower business in India. And our private equity group secured a leading water distribution and treatment business in Brazil and have provided road fuels in the UK. So as you can see, we've been very busy investing the capital on behalf of all of our clients and that tends to benefit all of us.
Finally, as we approach the distribution phase of more of our private funds, we expect to be able to firm up and ultimately recognize increased carried interest, which should demonstrate the significant value of this to the business overall. And finally, in conclusion, I'm pleased to announce that the Board of Directors has approved an 8% increase in our quarterly dividend to $0.14 per share, which will be paid at the end of March. Thank you. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Bruce.
Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. First, I will address fundraising and our investment themes. I'll then move to our views of markets in general and talk a little bit about interest rates. Following that, Brian and I would be happy to take questions if there are any. With respect to fundraising, as Brian mentioned, institutional investors continue to allocate greater portions of their funds to real assets.
This enabled us to raise $30,000,000,000 of capital during 2016 for private strategies in our latest round of fundraising and included among the largest infrastructure and real estate funds globally. As part of the shift to real assets, we're now starting to see greater allocations from traditional fixed income portfolios into private credit strategies, and we think that will continue. We have been expanding our credit capabilities for a number of years and are now fundraising with meaningful capital for these strategies. Over time, this could result in significant additional assets under management. Our investing themes today continue to evolve around similar to what they've been over the last number of years, which are utilizing our competitive strengths of size, global footprint and operating capabilities.
We are allocating capital to most of our investment markets, but Given the strong growth of both our listed partnerships and our asset management operations, our business today increasingly generates significant free cash flow. The combination of fee related earnings from our asset management activities combined with the distributions we received from our invested capital provides the parent company with $2,000,000,000 plus of inflows And after we pay corporate cost interest and preferreds, we're left with about $1,500,000,000 to reinvest in the business, pay dividends or repurchase shares. This number will increase meaningfully annually over time and we are continuing to focus on where to deploy this capital. Turning to the market environment, despite all the political turmoil that one hears in the newspapers every morning, most of the economies in which we participate are doing well or are generally recovering. This has set a backdrop for a very constructive investment environment for us.
Turning to a few of the markets. In the U. S, we continue to believe, as we have for years, that interest rates will grind upwards to the 3% to 4% range. We have not changed our overall view with the election of a new government. We do, however, believe that we may get to the top end of the interest rate range sooner than we might have otherwise expected, and we might even stretch the top end of former expectations before we hit a recession and the cycle starts over.
But we should all remember that if interest rates climb faster, it also means that growth is stronger than what we would have expected. In this environment, all of our investments should do well. Europe and the U. K. Have extremely low interest rates and it looks like these will exist for some time given political turmoil, demographics and the underlying economies of many of the countries.
Despite this, we are finding many investments that can earn high leverage cash returns due to the correspondingly low borrowing rates, which we can finance with. Turning to South America, it's recovering slowly following the shock of low commodity prices and the unwind of excesses from the boom. We believe Brazil has bottomed, but the political aftershocks of the government investigations are still being worked through. Chile, Colombia and Peru, while great countries, are also each dealing with their own set of discrete issues. But from an investment perspective, this has and continues to present us with great opportunities in most of the countries in many of our businesses.
India has made tremendous strides with its economy and recently reduced interest rates for the first time in this cycle. Despite this, the loan stress across the bank system needs to be worked through and as a result, we are being presented with a number of great opportunities across our businesses. In China, they continue to build out one of the greatest economic transformations ever undertaken. We believe they will be successful, but one should always remember that transformations never go in a straight line. Disciplined as we build our operations and investment strategies, but we continue to find interesting ways to invest and also have made great strides in partnering with a number of world class financial institutions and institutional partners in the region.
These opportunities for both investing and fundraising should continue for years. Lastly, with respect to interest rates, for years, we have been operating with the expectation that interest rates will increase in the United States. Our working assumption has been that the economy was getting stronger and that eventually interest rates would be able to rise as a result of that. With rates having been virtually 0 in the U. S.
For 7 years, a 1% or 2% increase in rates on the short or long end of the curve means very little to the long term return on a real asset investment. We have assumed for years in our underwriting that a 10 year treasury would be as I said 3% to 4% and we continue to base all our investment decisions with these with this analysis. The 10 year rate has now increased to I see 2.35% this morning, but circa 2.5%, which is about where it was 12 months ago. At that time, everyone seemed to be worried about deflation. Now the concern seems to be inflation.
More important, in this cycle, there have been very few sophisticated lenders or acquirers of real estate or infrastructure that have had a different view on interest rates than what I just articulated. As a result, cap rates have been stubbornly high relative to interest rates for one specific reason and that is that everyone unduly low interest rates. As a result, our business is positioned to thrive in a higher interest rate environment for really three simple reasons. The first and probably
most important is
that we own real return assets, and these are assets which increase their cash flow generating capacity over time, either through 1, contractual rights 2, our ability to operate them better or 3, our ability to expand or grow the business. These enhancements should far outpace any interest costs, in particular in a more inflationary environment and especially if the business environment is constructive. 2nd, we generally earn total returns on equity of between 10% 20%. This is much greater than treasury yields and therefore a few percentage points increases on interest rates really aren't material in
the longer term. And
3rd or last, much of the debt we have on assets is fixed rate debt, and therefore, cash flows until maturity of that debt will not change at all even if interest rates do increase. Lastly, on interest rates, we still believe that odds are currently stacked heavily in favor of lower than usual interest rates in the U. S. For the medium term, if not longer. And that's largely because of upwards of $50,000,000,000,000 of savings in the world that needs to earn a return.
And we should all remember that rates in many parts of the world continue to be very, very low. These savings are increasingly targeted at returns and dependability that come from investments in the United States, and this should keep rates down for a while. Operator, that completes my remarks. I'll turn it over to you and Brian or I will take questions if there are any.
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Thanks very much and good morning. I wanted to start by asking about your new perpetual private real estate fund and what role it might have to play as your opportunistic real estate funds reach maturity. In other words, does it have the potential to provide a continuity vehicle for marquee assets that might be desirable to hold for the long term versus monetize?
Yes. So just for everyone's benefit, we created a core fund in the U. S, which is a perpetual vehicle. The initial fundraising was around $1,000,000,000 and we expect that to grow quite substantially over time. Some similar funds are very large in the $10,000,000,000 to $20,000,000,000 So we think over time this could be an increasingly attractive business for us to hold assets on a perpetual basis.
And these are assets which wouldn't otherwise fit into our opportunistic business and they may not fit into our core plus strategy. So they'll be long term assets to own for the clients that we would own will own them for. And so in direct response to your question is, it's a perpetual vehicle. We seeded it with 7 investments that we had, 4 that were core properties and 3 that were development properties and we're building them to the price we sold them in at. And so over time, it's possible that, but our intention is to continue to grow the business by just buying assets in the market.
Obviously, there's you have to be very careful dealing between funds with clients, but it's possible over time that some of the assets that we have in some of the strategies could find their way into that fund, but that isn't the main intention of the business.
Okay. And second one for me is Brookfield Infrastructure mentioned that it's monitoring the potential for opportunities to emerge geography that's of interest more broadly across the business? Or is it specific to infrastructure just because of the energy deregulation and so forth?
Yes. I would just say our as you know, our business is about scale. It's about being global and it's being about finding places where we can apply our operating skills and our operations. And we like to go to places when foreign direct investment dries up, therefore currencies are usually down and opportunities are more readily available to someone who wants to invest because others aren't competing with you. So either you get a lower price than you otherwise might have or you just have better opportunity to buy assets.
So we're we will look at all of those things seem to look like they will apply in Mexico. We haven't had a large business in Mexico before, but it's possible in the future. There may be significant infrastructure and energy opportunities just given what the scale in the country. And I think that's probably the greatest focus for us. But there could be other things we could do either private equity or real estate.
Great. That's my 2. Thank you.
Thank you.
The next question is from Mario Saric with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Good morning and thank you. Just maybe following up on the question on the perpetual open and core real estate On the opportunistic side, your first major fund was launched in 2,009 and you've launched kind of 3 large funds subsequent to that. So in terms of scope, I think Bruce you mentioned there is equivalent $10,000,000,000 to $20,000,000,000 funds out there in the marketplace of similar structure. How do you see that evolution transpire over time? And then secondly, is this an opportunity that could be equally as big on the infrastructure side?
So I think given our past history and that we're very generally we're longer term investors. I think our in hindsight we probably should have had these funds many years ago that was probably a mistake of ours. Having said that, I think we can catch up quickly and our pedigree is exactly what fits this type of fund. So I think we can grow very large business in real estate. I think we can do it in infrastructure.
I think we can do it in power. And I think all three of them in many of the markets in the world where we operate, if we're in a low interest rate environment, will be very attractive for fixed income alternatives. And in particular, if European, U. K. Rates are going to be low for a long time, those will be very attractive.
Okay. And then sort of my second question, just coming back to the carried interest, it was good to see the realization of $140,000,000 during the quarter. It was the first time we saw it since Q3 of 2015. Well, I think, Ryan, you mentioned invested below your target as you highlighted. I think you've done a good job of illustrating when that target may become a reality over the next 10 to 15 years.
That being said, can we expect to see kind of somewhat more modest kind of recurring amounts coming through the income statement kind of similar to what we saw in 2015 based on kind of near term harvesting expectation? Yes,
I think that's a fair comment, Mario. We should we do have more of the funds that are in distribution phase and as would have been noticed this time, the carry builds up and even in the smaller fund, it will build up and we've actually been paid it. But we don't actually book it until when you tip over that point where there's no longer that sufficient risk of clawback. So it's a little bit binary in a sense when it comes to the recording in the financial statements. But we do have funds that are in that stage.
The larger funds, however, are more recent vintages. And so as you would have seen from some of the information we put out, it is going to take another couple of years before the really large amounts start to come in.
Okay, great. Thank you.
The next question is from William Katz with Citigroup. Please go ahead. Okay.
Thank you very much for taking my question this morning. I appreciate all the extra comments as well. I think you had mentioned in your CEO letter that maybe I got this wrong, but about 75% invested in the Real Estate II fund, which seemed to be very quick cycling time. If that's correct, how should we think about the timing and maybe the size of the sort of the next generation fund? And underneath that, is there any shift in pricing as we think about the management fee on that next generation of funds?
Sure. So Bill, it's Brian here.
Once you get to a certain and it's predetermined level of a fund being invested and it's typically in around the 70% to 80% range that you can go out and launch a successor fund. And so obviously, we're within striking distance of that with this on the real estate side. So you would expect to see us out in pretty short order. I'd say at this stage, the history has been the successor funds tend to be larger than the existing funds and we wouldn't expect to differ in this regard. And I think it's probably a little bit early to be chatting about how we see the fee economics and things like that.
But we think the market is still very constructive.
Okay. Just a follow-up, you mentioned that you're going to be spinning off your insurance operation to Sarah, if I'm saying that correctly to Sarah correctly. I apologize if I'm not. Are there any other businesses as you look across your portfolio that may be subscale that similarly could result in some streamlining of the operations?
Yes.
So it's possible. It's we've obviously made use of spin offs in the past, although for different reasons. You pointed out the difference And I'd say we wouldn't be averse to doing it if the situation arose, but there's nothing immediately on the horizon in that regard.
Okay. Well, thank
you for taking my questions.
Thank you.
The next question is from Mark Rothschild with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning. You guys are pretty far along with investing the next real estate fund and you mentioned starting the next fund. The carried interest was pretty dramatic this quarter and it seems the next couple of years are going to be increasing. You did increase the dividend, albeit relatively modest considering the growth in cash flow.
Can you expand maybe on how you look at dividend growth versus potential share buybacks in the context of your current cash flow and what you expect from the growth in fees considering the current share price?
Sure. Thanks, Mark. It's Brian.
So it'll really be a balance and I
think this is the way you've seen us operate over the last period of time. We do think it's a good thing to continue to increase the dividend at the rate that we've been doing it and it's been pretty consistent over the past number of years. And I wouldn't look to see that change dramatically in the near term. We still see a lot of opportunity to put capital to work within the business. And I think we've highlighted the value that we can bring to the overall franchise by having a very strong and liquid balance sheet in terms of transaction execution.
So that's important to us as well as seeding new funds with liquidity upper balance sheet. So we've got lots of opportunities to put that cash to work within the business to increase returns and that really compounds over time. And then lastly, of course, we have been in the market buying back our stock periodically over the past number of years. And we really just weigh out the different alternatives and try and strike a balance amongst the amongst the 3 of them as we and I don't think it'll change dramatically going forward.
Okay, great. Thank you.
The next question is from Andrew Kuske with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
I think Bruce you mentioned the capital pouring into BAM at the top of the house from all your investments. How do you think about just deploying that capital among your existing businesses and then prospectively new businesses? And really what hurdle levels are you thinking about and contemplating on redeployment?
So first I'd say our we view the capital at BAM to really be for 3 purposes. 1, to hold the securities that we have in our listed affiliates. And secondly, to support the affiliates if they need capital to be able to do things that they otherwise wouldn't be able to do without our sponsorship. And having significant amounts of capital available to do that to be able to support their transactions is really a key differentiator that we have versus many others. And I can't sometimes you can't do a mathematical exercise.
In fact, the mathematical exercise says that you should get rid of the capital, but when somebody shows up with a transaction, it can only be done because of the extra support that we give one of our entities. That's enormously valuable to our funds and to our listed entities. So the first thing I'd say is sometimes you will look at our balance sheet and it continuously looks like it's over capitalized and that's probably true, but there's many things we do to support the entities that we use that capital for and encroach upon it. 2nd, we continue to look at adjunct businesses and we don't plan on anything different than what we're doing, but we continue to look at adjunct businesses and use that capital to start up new adjunct areas. And the only way to do that that we found is to deal with our own money first and then bring clients into it later once we've established a track record.
So we continue to put significant amounts of that capital in. And often if we wanted, we could run that capital down over time if we were in a recessionary period or something and we needed the capital for something else, but it shows up as financial assets largely in our books. And we continue to use capital on that. And lastly, I'd just say that over time, if we can't find a use for that cash, which we haven't so far been in that situation. But if we can't, then really there's a decision do we return it to shareholders through the form of increased buybacks or do we increase the dividend or do we do other spin outs out of the company and we're open to all 3.
As you know, our goal is to, on a per share basis, maximize the value over the longer term for the business and that's really it. We don't plan on being the biggest or all we're trying to do is make the most per share value. So whatever makes sense out of those 3, we'll use the capital for.
Okay. That's helpful color and context. And then maybe just an extension and then a follow-up question. How do you think about just the pace of deployments and how fast could the dry powder that exists now be effectively depleted and deployed just with the situations that you see now and I ask the question in part is we saw a real tipping point in your fundraising business and then acceleration of the size of the funds and the speed that you're raising them. Should we expect a similar acceleration in deployment and the quantum of deployment?
Yes. So on real estate, it's our franchise is very broad. It's very big and it can consume a lot of capital. And I would say that our real estate fund is virtually at 75% invested. So we're out to raise a new fund in a relatively short period of time and that's merely because the franchise finds lots of things to do.
In infrastructure, we just raised a big fund. It's 35% invested. I think we'll be able to put it to work and largely that's because of our global footprint and our operating capabilities. And that might not be said if you didn't have those two things, but we've been able to find the ability to put money to work and in power as well. So I think we'll we've not historically had an issue in finding transactions.
We just go to the markets where value still exists as opposed to ones that we feel are fairly valued. And we've continued to build the business to be able to do that. And I think it's the strategy is working in this environment.
Very good. Thank you.
The next question comes from Anne Dye with KBW. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thanks. This question is for Bruce. You spoke again today about finding better investment value abroad given valuations in the U. S.
So just understanding that we're very early days into this new administration, they have talked about drastically increasing infrastructure spend through some potentially public private partnerships. So I guess I'm just curious whether the stance of this new administration has in any way changed your views on the opportunity set in the U. S?
So I'll try to give you a concise answer. We have 40% of our total assets in the United States of America. We're a big proponent of the country. We believe in it longer term. We think it's a great place to invest.
Other than Australia and Canada, I'll put the 3 together. Australia, Canada and the United States are 3 great places to invest in the world because they have phenomenal rule of law, etcetera, etcetera. Everything you would want to have in investment place. The thing that the United States has that the other those other 2 don't is it's a very big place, so there's lots things to do. So we think United States is great.
In infrastructure, there hasn't been a lot to do in past because most infrastructure was owned by the governments and funded by governments. To the extent that there are opportunities to put large scale amounts of money to work in the United States and we can make the numbers work, we would be very excited about putting money to work in the United States. And we hope that this administration will see their way to that and we'll be waiting to do it. So I guess we're hopeful and it's still early days.
Okay. Thanks so much.
This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the presenters for any closing remarks.
I think that's all for this call. So with that, we'll end. And thank you for participating.
Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.