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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Jul 27, 2022

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Cameco Corporation Second Quarter 2022 Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Rachelle Girard, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury and Tax. Please go ahead.

Rachelle Girard
VP of Investor Relations, Treasury, and Tax, Cameco Corporation

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Cameco's Second Quarter Conference Call. I would like to acknowledge that we are speaking from our corporate office, which is on Treaty 6 territory, the traditional territory of Cree peoples and the homeland of the Métis. Today's call will focus on the trends we are seeing in the market and on our strategy. As always, our goal is to be open and transparent with our communication. Therefore, if you have detailed questions about our quarterly financial results, or should your questions not be addressed on this call, we will be happy to follow up with you after the call. There are a few ways to contact us. You can reach out to the contacts provided in our news release.

You can submit a question through the Contact tab on our website, or you can use the Ask a Question form at the bottom of the webcast screen, and we'll be happy to follow up after this call. With us today on the call are Tim Gitzel, President and CEO, Grant Isaac, Senior Vice President and CFO, Brian Reilly, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Alice Wong, Senior Vice President and Chief Corporate Officer, and Sean Quinn, Senior Vice President, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary. I'm going to hand it over to Tim to talk about the long-term fundamentals for our industry, the current market dynamics, and about Cameco's strategy to add long-term value. After, we will open it up for your questions. If you've joined the conference call through our website event page, there are slides available which will be displayed during the call.

In addition, for your reference, our quarterly investor handout is available for download in a PDF file on our website at cameco.com. Today's conference call is open to all members of the investment community, including the media. During the QA session, please limit yourself to two questions and then return to the queue. Please note that this conference call will include forward-looking information, which is based on a number of assumptions, and actual results could differ materially. Please refer to our Annual Information Form and MD&A for more information about the factors that could cause these different results and the assumptions we have made. With that, I will turn it over to Tim.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Well, thank you, Rachelle, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on our call today. I hope you're getting some time off to enjoy the summer. I want to start today by reflecting on a recent essay from UxC. There are two reasons for this. First, it drove home a number of the themes you've heard us express for some time now about the fundamentals of the uranium market. In a world that increasingly recognizes the important role nuclear energy will play, demand for uranium fuel is going up, inventories are going down. In a market that is bifurcating due to geopolitical concerns, Western capacity is lagging. Those themes aren't new. However, the second reason I raise it is that we believe the conclusion to the essay sent the wrong message.

It said this, "Let's just hope nuclear fuel supply availability does not derail nuclear energy's latest promising advance." This statement implies that the responsibility for maintaining the growing momentum for nuclear power rests with the supply side of the industry. We believe that responsibility is misplaced. The reality is there's a simple solution to the looming supply challenge. The essay should have concluded by driving home the point that the responsibility and solution for the looming supply challenge rests with the demand side. Utilities need to recognize it's time to exercise the power of their procurement to avoid a supply crisis that could, as they stated, derail nuclear energy's latest promising advance. This is true right across the fuel cycle, from uranium production to conversion and enrichment.

Those of us who have experience operating in this industry understand that a responsible producer does not invest in new capacity without line of sight to having a long-term profitable commitment that creates a permanent home in which that fuel will be used. Cameco's strategic and deliberate decisions over the past decade are a great example of this. Driven by the signals our customers have given us, we've taken a balanced and disciplined approach. Our decision to proceed with the next phase of our supply discipline, which is now well underway, is in direct response to the procurement decisions by some really forward-thinking utilities. These utilities want a line of sight to the future supply needed to fuel their reactors and ensure the continued reliability of electricity supply from nuclear power.

Their contracting decisions provided us with the signals and certainty we needed to begin the process of increasing production, but more is needed. Our current plans do not entail a return to our full productive capacity. As a result, the company remains in the supply discipline mode, which positions us extraordinarily well in this rapidly changing market. We will continue to make responsible supply decisions in accordance with the signals our customers are sending. Let's look at the market fundamentals in a bit more detail, starting with demand. We have talked before about how the benefits of nuclear energy have come clearly into focus with the durability that is being driven by the accountability for achieving the net zero carbon targets being set by governments and companies around the world.

With 90% of the world's economy now covered by net zero targets, attention is turning to the challenge of cleanly and reliably solving the problems of energy poverty, energy replacement, and energy growth. Adding to that challenge is solving the energy crisis experienced in some parts of the world while pivoting away from reliance on Russian energy without jeopardizing net zero commitments. Therefore, not surprising that concerns about energy security are amplified and at the top of the list for many governments, creating further pressure to reexamine their energy policy decisions. Policymakers and business leaders around the world are recognizing that energy policy must balance the objective to achieve a clean energy profile with the need for affordability and security. Too much focus on intermittent, weather-dependent renewable energy has left some jurisdictions struggling with power shortages and spiking energy prices or a dependence on Russian energy supplies.

The good news for us is that in their quest to restore balance or pivot away from Russia, many are turning to nuclear. Nuclear power fits nicely at the center of the policy triangle, providing safe, reliable, affordable, carbon-free baseload electricity while also offering energy security and independence. Which is why, in addition to all of the developments I noted last quarter, we saw a number of supportive initiatives and announcements this quarter, which we outlined in our MD&A. Suffice it to say, we're seeing governments and companies turn to nuclear with an appetite that I'm not sure I've ever seen in my four decades in this business. Therefore, it's easy to conclude that the demand outlook is durable and very bright. Supply is quite a different picture.

For some time now, we've said that we believe the uranium market was as vulnerable to a supply shock as it has ever been due to persistently low prices. Low prices have led to growing supply concentration by origin and a growing supply gap. Unlike in the past, we don't have the same stock of secondary supplies to fill the gap. After years of drawing on these one-time sources, the secondary supply capacity is now declining significantly into the future, and productive capacity is not poised to respond. Taking the challenge of filling that gap to a whole new level with the continued conflict in Ukraine, there's also growing uncertainty about the ability to continue to rely on nuclear fuel supplies originating or transporting out of Russia, whether as a result of sanctions or because of conflicts with company values.

Currently, the global nuclear industry relies on Russia for approximately 14% of its supply of uranium concentrates, 27% of conversion supply, and 39% of enrichment capacity. Utilities are now faced with considering and planning for a variety of potential scenarios, ranging from an abrupt end to Russian supply to a gradual phase out. The market was confronted with one of these scenarios in late June. Amendments to Canadian sanctions caused the owner of a Canadian shipping vessel to conclude it would be in violation of Canadian laws if it were to load and deliver enriched uranium product scheduled for pickup in St. Petersburg. While an exemption by the Canadian government has resolved this issue for now, it highlights the tenuous nature of reliance on Russia or Russian ports for supply.

It's one of the reasons why last quarter we decided to avoid using Russian rail lines and ports to move our share of Inkai's production to our Blind River facility. Instead, we are delaying our deliveries from Kazakhstan while we work with our partner to enable shipping via Trans-Caspian route. We do not have a confirmed date for when the first shipment could proceed. However, we have the ability to mitigate the risk with inventory, long-term purchase commitments, and product loans if necessary. It's still early days, but we're already seeing some utilities beginning to pivot toward procurement strategies that more carefully weigh the origin risk. They're working their way through their fuel supply chains to determine where there are vulnerabilities.

As a result, we have temporarily seen their focus shift from securing uranium to the more immediate need in their supply chain for enrichment and conversion services, where Russian capacity plays a much bigger role. Make no mistake, we expect uranium will follow. After all, it is the product to which all services are applied. With more than 45 million lbs in new uranium contracts added to our portfolio since the beginning of the year, 2022 has already been a contracting success, and we continue to have a significant and growing pipeline of contract discussions underway. However, for the moment, we too are focusing our efforts on capturing the record high conversion prices under long-term contracts in our fuel services segment. With what we expect will be more uranium demand ahead of us, we will continue to exercise strategic patience.

The primary driver for our contracting activity is always value. We like to leverage our current uncommitted in-ground inventory to position us for the further market improvements we expect to see. Let's talk more about Cameco and what we are up to. As a commercial supplier, our decisions have uniquely positioned the company to capitalize on the increasingly undeniable conclusion that nuclear power must be an essential part of the clean energy transition, and even more so in a world where origins matter. With demonstrated tier-one assets, strategic tier-two assets, and a focus on vertical integration, we've taken a balanced and disciplined approach to our strategy of full cycle value capture. As I just noted on the contracting front, we've been balanced and disciplined in layering in volumes where it makes sense for us and in building a diversified customer base.

We're also taking a balanced and disciplined approach to our supply decisions. The next phase of our supply discipline, which involves not only McArthur River/Key Lake, but starting in 2024 Cigar Lake, is balanced with our contract portfolio where we think the market transition is currently at. Even though we've seen considerable pricing pressure resulting from the geopolitical uncertainty, we will not change our production plans. We will not front-run demand with supply. We need good long-term contract homes in our portfolio, and we need to see further improvements in the uranium market before we make changes to our production plans. I think we've shown we can be trusted when we say we will remain disciplined. Finally, while we're talking about balance, we've shown balanced financial discipline. We will retain our conservative financial management to support our continued balanced and disciplined contracting and supply decisions.

Having said that, we will deploy capital where it makes sense. Increasing our ownership share of Cigar Lake from 50% to just over 54% made sense, and I can tell you we'll take those pounds any day. Cigar Lake is one of the world's best and most prolific tier-one production assets on the planet. It's a proven, permitted, and fully licensed mine in a stable jurisdiction that operates with the tremendous participation and support of our neighboring Indigenous partner communities. Of course, we know it very well because we operate it. At the McArthur River mine in Key Lake mill, we continue the process of transitioning from care and maintenance to operational readiness.

The current workforce at these sites is now approximately 670, including employees and long-term contractors, with a view to achieving about 850 prior to the start of production later this year. Our operational readiness activities are transitioning from construction to early-stage commissioning of our mining and milling circuits at McArthur River and Key Lake. Critical automation and digitization projects at the Key Lake Mill are being tied into existing infrastructure. In addition, asset condition assessments and subsequent repair and reassembly of all equipment is now winding down. However, we've seen some delays to our work schedule at the Key Lake Mill. We have encountered some challenges with respect to the availability of critical materials, equipment, and skills.

In addition, after four years on care and maintenance, we've experienced some normal commissioning issues as we work to safely and systematically integrate the existing and new assets with updated operating systems. We've adjusted our schedule to accommodate the slower ramp-up at the mill and anticipate first production will be deferred until later in the fourth quarter this year. As a result, our revised plan is for up to 2 million lbs of production this year. It's yet another good reminder for the demand side of our industry about the challenges of bringing on supply in the current environment. However, the slower ramp-up at the Key Lake mill has been offset at Cigar Lake. We've been successful in catching up on development work and production at Cigar Lake, and we're expecting production of 18 million lbs on a 100% basis.

Therefore, with the additional production at Cigar Lake and the risk mitigation measures we have in place, we expect to deliver on all of our commitments, and therefore, we don't need to rush the process at McArthur River/Key Lake. This is just one of the advantages that being a multi-asset, multi-jurisdictional producer affords us, and that makes us a stable, reliable, and long-term source of supply to ensure the reliability of our customers' reactor fleets. What's the result of our disciplined actions? The solid balance sheet and the ability to self-manage risk. At the end of the second quarter, we again were in a negative net debt position with CAD 1.4 billion in cash, about CAD 1 billion in long-term debt, and a CAD 1 billion undrawn credit facility, and this doesn't include the CAD 778 million owed to us by the CRA.

Once production at the McArthur River/Key Lake operation resumes, we expect to begin to see a significant improvement in our financial performance. As production achieves a reasonable level, we will no longer expense operational readiness costs to cost of sales, and we'll be able to source more of our committed sales from lower cost produced pounds. As we saw again this quarter, the higher prices in the currently improving markets are beginning to flow through our existing contract portfolio. With an inventory of unencumbered pounds in the ground, rising prices will also create the opportunity to layer in new long-term commitments with appropriate pricing mechanisms that will underpin the long-term operation of our productive capacity. We've also continued to utilize some of our long-term purchases. We put these arrangements in place as a means of risk mitigation. We'll balance this activity with our spot market purchases.

As such, we expect to maintain the financial capacity to execute on our strategy, capturing long-term value while self-managing risk, including from the global macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty we're seeing today. What does all this mean for Cameco? Well, it means we're optimistic. We're optimistic about the growth and demand for nuclear power, both traditional and non-traditional. We're optimistic about the growth and demand for uranium and for downstream fuel services, and we're optimistic about the incumbency opportunity for Cameco in capturing long-term value. Therefore, we will continue to execute on the next phase of our supply discipline strategy. More importantly, we'll continue to do what we said we would do. We have operating and idle tier-one assets that are licensed, permitted, long-lived, and are proven operations that have expansion capacity. We have fully permitted and proven tier-two assets that don't make sense at today's prices.

When you think about them in context of a looming supply and origin gap, there's a potential pathway for them to add value for us in the future. We will continue to be very disciplined in our evaluation on that front. Just as a reminder, our interest extends beyond just mining. We're vertically integrated across the nuclear fuel cycle with refining, conversion, and fuel fabrication. As utilities look to secure access to nuclear fuel supplies in jurisdictions that are stable, reliable, and politically dependable, we will also look to continue to build our fuel services contract book. We're looking to expand our reach, for example, through our fuel manufacturing capabilities and investment in Global Laser Enrichment, we're exploring fabrication of new fuels, including high-assay low-enriched uranium or HALEU. You can clearly see the benefits of Cameco being involved with ventures like this.

Thanks to our reputation as a reliable fuel supplier and a long history of cooperating with the U.S. government on various projects, the technology has the opportunity to participate in the growing commercial opportunity for enrichment capacity in the U.S. It's why GLE was able to navigate the regulatory process in the U.S. and gain access to the DOE tails material. It's why utilities like Constellation Energy and Duke Energy are willing to sign letters of intent to collaborate with GLE to help diversify the U.S. nuclear fuel supply chain, including measures to support GLE's deployment of Silex laser enrichment technology in the U.S. We're also participating in the development of small modular reactors and have entered a number of non-binding arrangements to advance their commercialization and deployment in Canada and around the world.

We have an interest in the nuclear sustainability services, the back end of the fuel cycle, including aiding in the responsible cleanup of enrichment facilities no longer in operation. These opportunities align with our commitment to manage our business responsibly and sustainably and to increase our contribution to global climate change solutions. Our decisions at Cameco are deliberate. We're a responsible, commercially motivated supplier with a diversified portfolio of assets, including a tier-one production portfolio that is among the best in the world. We're committed to operating sustainably by protecting, engaging, and supporting the development of our people and their communities and to protecting the environment, something we've been doing for over 30 years.

Our strategy, which includes contracting discipline, supply discipline, and financial discipline, will allow us to achieve our vision, a vision of energizing a clean air world and thereby delivering long-term value in a market where demand for safe, secure, reliable, and affordable clean energy is growing. Thanks for your interest today, and we're happy to take any questions you might have.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. In the interest of time, we ask that you limit your questions to one with one supplemental. If you have additional questions, you are welcome to rejoin the queue. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Webcast participants are welcome to submit questions through the box at the bottom of the webcast frame. The Cameco investor relations team will follow up with you by email after the call. Once again, anyone on the conference call who wishes to ask a question may press star then one at this time. Our first question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets.

Please go ahead.

Andrew Wong
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, good morning. The uranium market looks to be improving and, Tim, like you said in your prepared remarks, it's the duration and the endurance of this improvement looks to be longer- lasting.

We have McArthur restarting. You know, your cash flows are set to improve pretty significantly over the next few years. Could you maybe talk about your plans on capital allocation over the next few years? Where do you expect to kind of spend some of that cash as that comes in?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Morning, Andrew. Thanks for the question. Yeah, you hit it. You followed the script there. Things are looking a lot better for us, the market. Clearly, we think there's a durability there that's gonna continue. We see lots of countries. It's amazing to read the press, watching the countries that are turning to nuclear, taking a look at nuclear, turning back to nuclear. I think of Germany and others in Europe who are really struggling with their energy situation. Yeah, we think it's there. We see 54 reactors under construction. We see lots of countries willing to build. We see lots of push on SMR. Yeah, it, the demand side looks really good. Supply side looks tighter.

We're certainly delighted to have some world-class tier-one assets, Cigar Lake, chunk of JV Inkai, and now McArthur/ Key that we're just bringing back on. We think we're in pretty good shape. Conversion's looking really, really good. Yeah, we do think our financials will improve over time. You've heard us talk about capital allocation before and just how we think about that. Grant's s itting beside me. Grant, why don't you walk everyone through? Maybe you wanna say a little bit about the market and then about our capital allocation plans.

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Well, on the market, just to make the point that you made, we were bullish on the outlook for uranium and nuclear fuel prior to all of these incredible tailwinds that have emerged. I don't think anybody can conclude that it isn't even a stronger picture, a stronger outlook for Cameco than it was even last quarter. I mean, take slide slide from our investor presentation today or just look through pages seven to nine of our MD&A and just the list of headline news that has happened in our industry, all positive. Andrew, couldn't agree more that the recovery of our cash flow and earnings has only just begun. We positioned for these moments in the market to build this long tail of sticky revenues, earnings, and cash flow.

That becomes the basis of our capital allocation. For us, it is important to remember, we are still in supply discipline. As good as the news is, we need to see it translate into those procurement decisions that call for the production that we have. We're not there yet. Our plan is still to ramp up McArthur, but not to full capacity. Our plan at the time is in 2024 to bring Cigar back. As Tim said at the outset, we just found that UxC essay hit all the right points and drew absolutely the wrong conclusion. The power of the procurement of the utilities is what's going to make sure that the Western capacity is there to meet the Western demand in a bifurcated market.

We need to see that continue to build. We have been building it 45 million lbs year-to-date , Cameco committed sales forward. That's over 60% of the reported long-term business in the market this year. It's an extraordinary performance for one company. That's you know, that's 90 million lbs on an annualized basis. I'm not saying that that's where we even wanna be. I'm just wanna emphasize to those who might say it's only 5 million lbs in quarter two. It's 45 million lbs year-to-date and over 60% of the long-term market so far. As that business builds, that will afford us the opportunity to go back and revisit our supply discipline decisions. As we revisit those, we might find ourselves making different decisions about our production plans going forward.

That will then might suggest that maybe our current conservative financial management time to give way to two things. One, are there growth opportunities required for Cameco, where we can take advantage of a bifurcated market calling for more Western capacity? We will look at that. Obviously, if we can convince our owners that that makes sense, we would go forward on that, or we may find ourselves in a position where the cash flows, the long-term sticky cash flows that come from building that contract book will cover any growth ambitions. In which case, we would have to conclude, it's probably time to return some value to our owners because we don't need to hang on to the conservative financial position.

All of that is predicated on this continued build, which is predicated on more procurement in the market calling for pounds. At the moment, we're still supply disciplined. It's the right position to be in. I would just say we're just extraordinarily well-positioned for what's going on in the market.

Andrew Wong
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks for all that. Maybe just switching here towards Inkai. Could you just talk about a little bit more about the decision to delay shipments from there? Is it mostly because you can't receive the material because of sanctions or restrictions, or is it because of risk mitigation and maybe just not wanting to ship through Russia for like ethical, moral, or other reasons? Thanks.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Andrew, it's a bit of all of that. For sure, it has to do with we do not, at this point, want to be using Russian rail lines or ports to ship our material out. It's contrary to our values as a company. We're looking at options. We're looking at that Trans-Caspian route. You've heard Grant and others talk about it. We haven't got any kind of final decision on whether that's gonna be available to us or when. We know it has been used sometime in the past, but not available right now for our material. So I think they're working on it. Sean, I don't know, Sean Quinn is here, looks after Kazakhstan transport. Sean, do you have any comments?

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Just, we've said, I think what's covered in the MD&A, with our partner JV Inkai and the support of our partner Kazatomprom, JV Inkai is working on getting a significant shipment through the Trans-Caspian route. We expect to know more about that over the next few weeks. Once the material gets here, there is no sanctions that apply to Kazakh material of any description, so there's no concerns on that side.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Grant?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, I might just jump in here as well, Tim. From a market perspective, I think we just need to frame this appropriately, which is this is just more supply discipline. Of course, this is forced supply discipline, but this should be thought of as more supply discipline in the industry, more uncertainty about the availability of primary production. If you think about it from a Cameco perspective, we have risk mitigation in place to deal with this. We have non-Kazakh production operating. It's at supply disciplined rates of course, plus we have idled assets, but we have other assets outside that jurisdiction. We have an inventory for moments just like this. That inventory is located in Western markets.

We have access to long-term purchase commitments that we've entered into that we could bring forward today in order to access material. We have licensed facilities that would allow us to borrow pounds if needed. For Cameco, it's a very easy risk for us to manage. It's not for the entire industry. The entire industry is incredibly reliant upon a lot of material coming out of Central Asia and arriving at Western facilities in 2022. It's just yet another supply risk and should be thought of in the frame of more supply discipline. This sort of forced by a logistical, transportation set of issues, but should be thought of in the same context that we all think about supply discipline.

Andrew Wong
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Thank you very much.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

The next question is from Gordon Johnson with GLJ Research. Please go ahead.

Gordon Johnson
CEO and Founder, GLJ Research

Thanks for taking my questions. I guess the first one I had was answered. I guess with respect to the contracts, the contract pricing has been rather robust. I'm just talking about UxC contract pricing. It's moved up from $42.50 in February to about $50.50 in June. On the first quarter conference call, you guys highlighted UxC, said there was about $60 million worth of contracting, $40 million of which is yours. Now they're saying there's roughly $72 million of contracting. First question, can you tell us how much of that contracting is yours, and if you have benefited from this rise in contracted pricing? I have a few follow-ups.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, I think, thanks, Gordon. I think Grant touched on that in the first question, but go ahead and,

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. When we look at the reported term activity by, say, UxC, it's 72 million lbs year-to-date , and we're 45 of that. We're over 60% of the reported term business, which is, of course, a really strong performance for us. What that's proof of is what we've been saying all along, that we enjoy some incumbent advantages here. We are a proven, reliable producer, multi-asset, integrated supplier with, by the way, a real ESG performance that we can point to that is important for procurement decisions today. You know, we can take advantage of a market that's increasingly bifurcating.

We also would observe that the terms and conditions that we're able to, I would say, obtain in this market are outperforming the prices that are reported, which suggests to us that while we are enjoying incumbent advantages, maybe there are some more forced sellers in the market who are willing to discount their material in order to lock up the volumes. That's okay. I mean, that would be expected in a bifurcated market. All I know is that our origins are pretty coveted, and we're gonna be very disciplined in placing them in contracts that make sense to us. We now have about 170 million lbs under long-term contract commitments looking ahead. Our average is about 22 million lbs per year for the next five years.

This is that long tail of revenues, cash flow, and earnings that we've talked about. We create this incredible benefit for folks. They get to play the upside that only comes in the commodity and resource space, but we get to lock it in for a period of time that's more akin to kind of the infrastructure returns. It's the best of both worlds for an investor.

Gordon Johnson
CEO and Founder, GLJ Research

Okay. Just a quick follow-up. You know, I'm looking at, you know, enrichment SWU prices and conversion prices that have kind of went, you know, significantly higher if just looking at the chart over the past year, yet spot U308 prices haven't necessarily followed. Specifically, Grant, can you tell me when you expect or if you expect spot prices to follow, and also if you guys expect to sign additional contracts, as those spot prices potentially move higher? Thanks for the questions. Congrats on the results.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Gordon.

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Thank you, Gordon. Let me just back up a little bit and remind everybody on the call that while uranium often gets treated through a commodity lens, it would be wrong to conclude that you simply back up a dump truck of uranium oxide and dump it into a reactor core, and it's not the coal model. Once you have the U308, it actually begins a very long journey through a number of really important services to arrive at often a very bespoke fuel bundle to meet the particular needs and in fact, the particular location within any one nuclear power plant. We often have forgotten about that because the service side of the industry, especially enrichment and conversion, had been so well supplied for many years.

Prices were low as a result, and I would say fuel buyers were very comfortable about the services they had procured. That all changed on February 24 when Russia invaded Ukraine. It had thrust the spotlight back onto those services. Russia's 40% of the global supply of enrichment, and they're nearly 30% of the global supply of conversion. For utilities, that meant moving from a very comfortable view of their forward service commitments to suddenly reevaluating where they were getting those services from. We've seen a lot of attention pivot away from uranium downstream to enrichment and conversion. No surprise, we've seen effectively a doubling of the enrichment price. We've seen more than a doubling of the conversion price. In fact, conversion is sitting at historic levels. We've never seen conversion prices this high before.

That's representing this focus on new areas of service that are exclusionary of Russia. That's a big challenge. Eventually you need the product. These are just services, and they need to be applied to the product. The product is uranium, and there is no substitute. We've never seen a delinked cycle for the reason that you eventually need the uranium. Just like in 2021 and the beginning of 2022, there was a lot of focus on uranium. It's now shifted downstream, but it has to come back because you need the uranium to plug into those services you've procured. We expect to see that. You know, short of a shock on the uranium side, it could take a bit longer for utilities to put in place all of that replacement service business.

We're seeing obviously the benefits on the conversion side. We can be strategically patient on the uranium side and leverage for when that demand comes into the market. To your final question, absolutely. We expect to be leveraged to a uranium market that starts to price in the cost required for Western capacity to meet Western demand.

Operator

The next question is from Orest Wowkodaw with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Orest Wowkodaw
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst of Metals and Mining, Scotiabank

Hi, good morning. Hope everyone's well. By the way, thank you very much for releasing your results earlier than normal. That 30 minutes or so was very welcome. Thank you.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thank you.

Orest Wowkodaw
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst of Metals and Mining, Scotiabank

My question really has to do with where things are at in the market. I mean, last quarter, you talked about utilities refocusing their procurement efforts on enrichment and conversion, and then we saw no incremental pounds added to your book. Three months have gone by and you've obviously added another 5 million pounds to the book. Can you give us a sense of where that process is at in terms of utilities? Like, are you starting to see utilities coming back to procure uranium, or are we still at kind of early days of figuring out conversion and enrichment?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks for the question, Orest, and the acknowledgment. Stephanie was happy to get up at 3:30 A.M. this morning, I think, to let the results go with. Grant, over to you too, but stay on the market for the questions.

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Orest, I would say your observation is correct in that utilities are by and large trying to replace a reliance upon Russian supplies of enrichment and conversion with non-Russian sources. That is a very big focus in the market right now, which is what's driven such strong price improvement in those two services. That's what's driven incredible attention to the Global Laser Enrichment project that we're a part of, for example. So that downstream activity is quite strong. That is, I would say, delaying some inevitable pure uranium demand. Normally, utilities do this.

They sort of start at the reactor level, count the fuel bundles they have, then they turn to the fabricators and assess the in-process material they have, and then they turn to the enrichers, turn to conversion, and then focus on the uranium to plug into that chain. It is correct to say that the market has lost some of the focus on uranium that we saw through 2021 and into early 2022, spurred obviously by some of the events in Kazakhstan early in the year. This is just delayed. The demand will come back and it's more likely to come back in a lumpier fashion. There's no doubt that the focus is a little more downstream at the moment, but it will come back upstream. It has to.

The product needs to eventually be bought to plug into that service chain. I don't want to leave the impression nobody's looking for uranium. We're not at 45 million lbs year- to- date because there's no demand in uranium. There is quite substantial demand in uranium relative to the last couple of years. Relative to replacement rate? No, we're not there yet. That's why we're still in supply discipline mode. It makes sense for us to be signaling that the procurement on the uranium side is just not sufficient yet. Let me give you another leading indicator that we've talked about.

We often talk about our pipeline. To give you a bit of a sense of how much activity is in there, it's a fact that from origination through to execution, we have more pounds under discussion than we've had since the Fukushima window. As a bit of a leading indicator, I would say there's demand. It's not yet replacement rate, but it's there. Once we see the services replaced, and confidence of the utilities that they've got their enrichment lined up and excluding Russia, and they've got their conversion, we could actually see demand in the uranium side come in a far more concentrated fashion than would have been the case prior to February 24. That's the way we look at it.

We're leveraged to that move, and we think it's the absolute right space for us to be.

Orest Wowkodaw
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst of Metals and Mining, Scotiabank

Thanks, Grant. Just as a separate follow-up, how are you currently thinking about Inkai from an asset perspective? I mean, we've seen obviously a number of Western companies exit Russian assets. How do you currently think about Kazakhstan and Inkai specifically from a risk perspective?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Of course, obviously we watch it very close. In fact, I was over there a month ago and had a visit in the country. Obviously, it is an important asset for us, Inkai, and we're watching the political situation there. You know, right now, it remains a good jurisdiction for us to operate in, and we're happy with our partnership and our joint venture, and it is working well. We're a bit concerned with the transportation issue and getting our material out of there. We just continue to keep a very, very close eye on that investment. Right now we're happy to be there.

Orest Wowkodaw
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst of Metals and Mining, Scotiabank

Okay, thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Lawson Winder with Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.

Lawson Winder
Stock Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Hello. Good morning. Thank you for the update. Nice to hear from you all today. I wanted to ask about the conversion business and try to get a better idea for what the potential upside is here, even just keeping sort of volumes flat. With your disclosure, it's not really evident sort of what the size of the contract book is. It's also not entirely evident just looking at conversion, sort of what the average price is in your current contract book. And you know, perhaps you could give us kind of those levels so we can square that with you know, spot that's now above $30 per kg and you know, maybe help us think about the potential to increase the EBITDA contribution from conversion. Thanks.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Grant, do you want to talk about the conversion market now?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Lawson, as you know, and thanks for the question. As you know, not a segment we've been particularly drawing attention to for a long time. It was a forgotten part of the industry and one where, you know, we were warning folks that as inventories were drawn down, one of the realities of the inventory drawdown is that it often showed up as UF6, so already converted material. As those inventories have been drawn down, the need to replace it requires fresh conversion. We saw the fundamentals start to improve and then of course also exacerbated by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. A lot more attention on the conversion space than we're accustomed to, which is great. Our disclosures, you're right.

We bundle our fuel services division into one segment, and we don't draw out specifically what's going on in conversion. I would remind you that on an annual basis, we tell you what our book looks like. We've got 49 million kg of conversion sold under long-term contract. Again, like uranium, that's that long tail of revenue, cash flow, and earnings that underpins the entire fuel services group. Conversion is almost exclusively sold on fixed price basis. In a world where conversion prices have hit historic levels, let's remember, conversion has more idle productive capacity that can come back to the market than I would say uranium or enrichment enjoys. We need to be mindful of that. What I'm talking about there is the conversion business in the U.S. plans to restart at the ConverDyn plant.

The French facility is still ramping up. There's an idle facility in the U.K. All that suggests to us these are great prices, and it's time to lock those in. Expect the performance of the fuel services division just to continue to be very robust on the back of that historic pricing as we layer in more and more conversion. You know, we're just always going to be challenged with the disclosure doesn't reach down to the full conversion level. I would say the historic proportion where fuel services was you know between 15%-20% of our EBITDA and uranium was the rest. Well, that proportion is probably going to rebalance significantly with these historic prices. We just expect to lock in really strong performance for a multi-year basis.

Take these strong spot moves and lock them in for the long- term. We have high hopes for the conversion business. It's just absolutely critical to the nuclear fuel cycle and Western capacity, meaning Western demand.

Lawson Winder
Stock Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Maybe just a quick follow-up on that and your comments on the nature of the contract being mostly fixed price. Do you see or do you have a desire to perhaps shift to a bit more of an index price basis for that business? The follow-up question that I really wanted to get to was just on labor at McArthur and Key Lake, and maybe just understand if the expiring collective bargaining agreement in McArthur has anything to do with the slower than expected ramp up. As you think about renegotiating that contract, which expires at year-end, what would be a reasonable expectation in the current inflationary environment for sort of like pay increases based on your knowledge of past inflationary environments? Thank you.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Lawson, I'll just take the second part of that, and then I'll pass it to Grant on the fixed versus variable pricing. Certainly, we have an outstanding workforce at McArthur River. We're bringing them back. We were down to a minimal number for the last couple of years. They've come back. We've been blessed with a competitive advantage of having over 50% of our employees being from the north around their mine sites that many who have come back, many new ones. They're busy getting that asset ready to go. McArthur is ready to go. We're just putting some final touches on it. A bit of a delay at Key Lake. You know, normal bargaining process. I'm not gonna preempt that or forecast what's gonna happen.

We'll go both sides in good faith, and we've had a great relationship with our union up there. That expires at the end of the year, and we'll watch and see how that plays out. Grant, you wanna talk about conversion pricing term versus spot?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Similar to the way we look at uranium, and I would say the enrichers look at the enrichment space and the way we'll certainly look at the enrichment space when we're in it. You know, it is a function of where capacity is at. Because conversion does have line of sight to additional Western capacity to come back in the next few years. Actually, this is a good time to be capturing those prices on a fixed basis before that capacity comes back. I would say right now, this is the type of pricing environment that is very favorable for locking in that value.

As ConverDyn comes back, ramps up as the French facility is expected to ramp up, as decisions are made about the Springfields facility in the UK, now is not the time we'd wanna be indexed to that production coming back. We're quite happy with the move in the conversion market. We're quite happy to be the only operating conversion plant in North America right now. Full cycle value capture means we're leveraged for moments just like this.

Lawson Winder
Stock Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Okay, thanks very much. Very helpful responses.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, thanks, Lawson.

Operator

The next question is from Alexander Pearce with BMO. Please go ahead.

Alexander Pearce
Mining Analyst, BMO

Thanks, all. I just wanted to turn back to the potential Trans-Caspian route for your Inkai material. Could you be a little bit more specific on what and where the current hurdles are? Is it more of a case of getting the right agreements in place in Kazakhstan for rerouting that material, or is it more about getting those in place through you know, Azerbaijan, et cetera, into Canada? Thanks.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Thanks, Alex. I'll ask Sean Quinn to speak to that.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Sure. JV Inkai is working on that with Kazatomprom, and there are lots of logistics issues. The actual flow would be up to the port of Aktau on rail and then over to Baku in Azerbaijan, by rail through to the port of Poti on the Black Sea there to be loaded on a boat. They're putting all those segments together. There's just a lot of logistics supply work there. Then there are also regulatory hurdles that need to be accomplished in connection with the necessary approvals from the various governments along the way. In particular, they need to get approval to transit through Azerbaijan, and they have approval for a certain quantity this year that will cover a shipment to us.

They're just putting it all together. It will take, I think, a few more weeks of work to do that. We hope to learn more as we move into the month of August.

Alexander Pearce
Mining Analyst, BMO

Thanks. Just to kind of condense that then, it sounds like it's not a question of kind of if, it does sound more like a when issue.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

I think I would still say it's a bit of if and when in my mind. I will be happy when we actually see the shipment get loaded on a boat in the port of Poti.

Alexander Pearce
Mining Analyst, BMO

Okay. Thank you.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

The next question is from Greg Barnes with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Greg Barnes
Managing Director and Head of Mining and Metals, TD Securities

Yes, thank you. Grant and Tim, is there a particular trigger that allows you to take your interest in GLE up to 75% from where you are currently?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Well, Sean can speak to that, too. Thanks, Greg. Nice to talk to you. Sean, go ahead. You're the GLE trigger guy.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Hi, Greg. You're a bit muffled there. Could you-

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Is there a trigger to increase our percentage in GLE?

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Okay. Yeah, sure. There's a time trigger. We have an option that's effective after, roughly the end of this year, and then it's just a question of us, exercising the option.

Greg Barnes
Managing Director and Head of Mining and Metals, TD Securities

Okay. Just going back to conversion, Grant, from your discussion on the last quarterly call, it sounded like you're not gonna add more capacity at Port Hope, and you're pretty heavily contracted. You know, taking advantage of these higher prices is gonna be more of a longer-term issue for you. When would these higher prices kick in your contract book, if you're able to nail them down?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Well, it's already starting to happen. The conversion move has been underway for a couple years, as you know, and our goal is never to you know, like in a more of a classic commodity sense, you see a strong spot price, you then increase production to take advantage of that strong spot price. That's not our incentive at Cameco. We see strong spot prices, and we actually move away from them. We don't aim to target the spot market. We wanna see that tightness persist long enough for us to lock that in in multiyear value. That's what we're doing. We're just continually layering in as this conversion market moves up, recognizing that these prices are going to attract idle production to come back to the market.

Rather than get carried away with our own production plans, the goal is to maximize the margin on our current productive capacity, while it is really the only game in town in North America, and then lock those in on a multi-term basis. You're already seeing that pick up, and it will just continue to build. It's that classic following capture that we have in our contract portfolio to not just, you know, a couple weeks at the top of a spike, but to lock it in on a multi-year basis. That segment is expected to perform for a long time and then actually have a stickiness to it, even if productive capacity does come back in other locations, we'll have locked in that value on a much longer term basis.

Greg Barnes
Managing Director and Head of Mining and Metals, TD Securities

Okay. Thank you.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

The next question is from Brian MacArthur with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Morning, Brian.

Operator

Mr. MacArthur, your line is open.

Brian MacArthur
Managing Director, Raymond James

Sorry, good morning. Just following up on conversion. At one time, you did have a agreement, if I remember, with Springfield. Do you have any options from legacy saying, like, do you often have backup plans for security of supply because you only do really have one facility in conversion? Do you have anything left there that if they bring that back, that you have options on alternative supply there or anything into this whole conversion market?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Not at this point, Brian, we don't. I think we exited, Sean, what year was it?

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

2014.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

2014, yeah. We left it completely, Brian. At this time, we don't have any optionality there, and I'm not sure that plant could even go if you wanted it to. The answer is no, we don't.

Brian MacArthur
Managing Director, Raymond James

Okay. Secondly, like most of the industry at the moment, everybody's facing inflation. It's tougher to get things. Restarts are tougher. You know, everybody talks about incentive price, and if we're gonna have a bifurcated market and it's part of your marketing strategy and you make comments about, you know, the utilities aren't there and it's not economic right now. How much do you think that price has gone up since when you started this strategy? I mean, in the old days, people talked about CAD 45 or CAD 50 was maybe where it made sense. It's not easy to restart things. It's not easy to put green field into production. The rest of the world, nothing's getting cheaper. I mean, how much do you think that inflationary impact has affected the industry?

How does that factor into your strategy about actually even doing contracts right now? Because one could argue the price might have to go an awful lot higher going forward, especially as you point out, it continues to get delayed as the utilities focus on, you know, near-term problems and enrichment.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, Brian, we're certainly seeing from your reports and many others on other companies, the effect of inflation on CapEx. It's a bit of an epidemic. Supply chain continues to affect everyone. Labor, as I said, we're a bit blessed here. We've got some homegrown labor that comes back to us. Grant, you wanna talk to the inflationary factor?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, I do. Brian, you're raising a good point, but I wanna reframe it a little bit because I put it in a different context. I would just simply say that as the world is bifurcating and origins are mattering more, when we speak about a Western cost curve, and we're saying that in order for Western capacity to meet Western demand, we're gonna have to see investment. It's a fact that the Western cost curve on the uranium side is more expensive. We're inclusive of things like inflation and regulatory hurdles and ESG requirements in the Western world. We bake all of that in when we say the incentive price on the Western cost curve versus a global cost curve that's excluding Russia and making other origins more difficult to obtain is already factoring that in.

We agree with you that one of the kind of exciting pieces for us is that strike price for the last marginal pound of Western supply is probably higher. Now, it's not our supply because we don't need to invest in greenfield to get it. I mean, we're still in supply discipline mode. We've got more production from our brownfield. We've got more brownfield expansion capabilities long before we have to think about that last Western greenfield pound that needs to come to the market.

Brian, we're slightly greedy enough to wait for that price as well. We're not looking to be sold out. To your point, and we often hear this, you know, well, there are some that say, "Well, why haven't you done more contracting?" There's some that say, "Why are you doing any?" We think we're sort of, you know, right in between. Right where we're exactly where we need to be. We're not looking to be sold out right now. We're not looking to just land volumes to bring back all of our supply at nameplate production because we think prices have to adjust and reflect the need for Western supply, the need for Western supply in an inflationary market, the need for Western supply that has ESG-proven ESG performance. We're patient to wait for those prices.

We agree with you. We just bake it in to a different view of where that Western cost curve is going.

Brian MacArthur
Managing Director, Raymond James

Would it be 25% than when you started two years, three years ago with this strategy? 50% higher in your mind?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Well, Brian, we wouldn't quarrel with those in the industry that say that the Western supply is probably. You know, if the last marginal pound from a cost curve basis prior to a bifurcated market was, you know, somewhere in the mid-70s, we wouldn't quarrel with those who have said that, you know, the price probably needs to be $20 a pound higher than that. We see that analysis being done by some, and we wouldn't disagree with it. It makes sense when you factor in. I would turn to TradeTech and the work that those folks are doing there on the Production Cost Indicator, mindful that they're talking about sort of the next five years.

Extend that rationale and thinking out over the next 10 years, which is really a more appropriate timeframe, and you can quickly find yourself in that range, and we wouldn't quarrel with that analysis. Now, the good news for us is we can get there, and we can grow into that with brownfield leverage. We don't have to put a capital program for greenfield to get there and be exposed to it. But we think that those are good markers to think about.

Brian MacArthur
Managing Director, Raymond James

Maybe we can slip one more in just on GLE now. Obviously it's very strategic, but is the biggest impediment. I mean, you've got the Constellation, everybody's interested. To move this forward faster, is it now technical, regulatory, financial? What would you say is the real bottleneck at the moment?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

The answer is probably yes to that, but Sean, go ahead.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Sure. I think we're at a developing degree of confidence on the technical side. The big hurdles I would put in the financial camp, basically the procurement, going back to the procurement theme that Grant and Tim mentioned at the beginning. When the market is ready and there is a real call for enrichment services, we will look at and natural uranium, which is the first output for the Paducah facility. We will be able to advance that project.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

That's the beauty of it, Brian. You've heard us say that before, that triple threat, that you know, we can use it to re-enrich those DOE tails, which we have an agreement with the DOE. We can use it just for pure enrichment, which the world sorely, the Western world sorely needs these days. Then, of course, everybody's on the HALEU scramble these days with the Russians. You know, everyone was expecting the Russians to provide the first 10 years of HALEU, and that is out the window. There are certainly drivers now for the technology, lots of interest, government and private. We're pretty excited about the future for GLE.

Brian MacArthur
Managing Director, Raymond James

Great. Thanks very much for answering all my questions.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

The next question is from Paul Rubenstein, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Hi, good morning. Yeah, I was actually gonna ask you about GLE, so I've been kind of beat to the punch there. Maybe if you could go into a little bit more detail about what's actually going on in Paducah and in Wilmington, and are we still waiting on the DOE? If the DOE doesn't come through, what are your plans to move forward? Is there some kind of timeline? Are we looking at, you know, a year from now, at five years, 10 years? Where do things look? One last thing. Is the Silex technology proven at this point, or is that still kind of experimental?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks, Paul, for that question on GLE. Sean Quinn, please.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Sure. I'll start with the back end there. We're well past the experimental stage with the technology. Technology scale-up and development continues, split between the Silex site in Lucas Heights, Australia, just outside Sydney, where they're continuing to refine the laser side of the technology. The other end of the process, the separator systems, which are being further developed in Wilmington. We'll be looking at bringing all that back together over the course of the next number of months. On the technology front, we continue to develop it.

On the commercial side, we are anxious to see what comes out of the numerous U.S. government initiatives to look at dealing with the bifurcation of the market and the current reliance on Russian enrichment and conversion services and the need to develop a supply of HALEU to support the advanced SMR industry as a whole. There are, as I mentioned, a number of legislative initiatives being considered that would provide financial support, so we're pursuing those. It's really back to the procurement demand that we're waiting to see develop, coupled with that U.S. government support that will determine the pace of commercialization.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay. Thank you.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

I would add just to that we are on track to keep our commitments to the Department of Energy under the tails of reprocessing agreement that Tim mentioned a bit earlier. I should note that too.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

What, how many pounds of U308 would that be kind of equivalent to?

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

Once the Paducah facility is up and running, I think the U308 equivalent production per year is around 5 million, if my memory is correct, and that's a 45-year life that we're looking at there.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Oh, okay.

Sean Quinn
Senior VP, Chief Legal Officer, and Corporate Secretary, Cameco Corporation

For the tails and enrichment, yes, just to be very clear on that.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

As far as long-term strategy, it looks like you guys are moving towards a strategy of kind of a package deal as far as contracting goes, where rather than contracting just for U308 or just for conversion or just for enrichment, the utilities would come and just do the whole thing together. I'm not speaking very well.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah, we get it, Paul. I'll get our chief salesman to respond to that, packaging up.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay. Thank you.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

The component parts. We get the question.

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Paul, good question. I wouldn't say moving toward. We've always been in that camp, so don't forget. With Bruce Power, we provide fabricated fuel bundles to Bruce Power, so we do everything right across the chain, and we've always been vertically integrated. We'll always be vertically integrated, and we have ambitions for more vertical integration if it makes sense. Now, what we're up against is a utility desire that's long entrenched in a lot of our customers to buy on a components basis. The reason they've wanted to do that is so that they have line of sight to what's going on in each of the components versus, say, buying just a fuel bundle that you can think of as a battery to put in their kettle to boil water, turn turbines, and produce carbon-free electricity.

There are some markets where they are accustomed to buying just a fuel bundle. Think about that Eastern European crescent that has been heavily reliant upon Russia, that's looking to break away. They've got no experience with buying components. What they want is that final fuel bundle. Right now, you can expect to see greater partnering between the Camecos of the world, the Urencos of the world, the Westinghouses of the world, in order to offer that Western supply directly to the utility. For us, if it makes sense and we can drive value across those components, we would bundle and have integrated sales. If we can capture more value by selling on a component basis because maybe one component is higher in price, conversion at historic levels, we'll do that too. We've always been vertically integrated. We always will be.

Our focus is on value and packaging it up or componentizing it to drive value. We'll make those decisions on a case-by-case basis.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Thanks a lot, Paul.

Paul Rubenstein
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Kip Keen with S&P Global. Please go ahead.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I wonder if you could go back to the delay at Key Lake. I think earlier this year, you were expecting 5 million lbs and now up to 2 million lbs now. I'm wondering what the key driver there in terms of the delay is. You mentioned critical materials and some other things. Can you expand on that?

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Kip, thanks for the question. I'm gonna ask our Chief Operating Officer, Brian Reilly, to speak to that, please.

Brian Reilly
Senior VP and COO, Cameco Corporation

Sure. Thanks, Tim. Look, several key drivers. Let me just step back to the extent that our operational readiness program is in transition. We are in transition from a construction phase to early stage commissioning. I want to separate the mill from the mine, which is important as well. We have completed the first circuit at Key Lake mill in terms of early stage commissioning. We've had to make adjustments, and the adjustments are really based on two drivers. One, this is a brownfield site. It's a brownfield site that's been in care and maintenance for the past four years. We're up against some mechanical issues, but nothing that we can't resolve. We've had to make some adjustments. The second driver is focused around the changes we've made, and we've made significant changes.

We've installed.

A number of automation and digitization projects that really have changed the way we operate the mill, and we've upgraded the operating system. Those are the key drivers, and until one actually completes the commissioning phase, it's difficult to understand what those issues are. We've had to make some adjustments at the mill and hence we've had to reforecast. I also want to, while I've got access to the microphone here, speak to the mine because it's a different trajectory at the mine. We're in good shape. We're on track. We have two sources of ore that we will supply to the mill when required. We've got 4 million lbs of inventory sitting at the base of the mine.

We're in the process of commissioning the underground processing circuits. We also have about 30 million lbs of frozen inventory, which we can access from 10 different production areas, and that will provide the ore supply for the next two years. The mine is in good shape. The mill, we've made some adjustments. We've disclosed those adjustments, but the objective hasn't changed all through the process. We'll commission the mine and the mill in a safe, orderly, and a systematic fashion. We're preparing these assets for the next 30 years.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Kip, I would just add to what Brian said, because I'll hear about it if I don't, from our Cigar Lake team, that things are going very well there, and they're, you know, we had forecast production of 15 million lbs, and now we've changed that to 18 million lbs. They've caught up on some development. Being a multi-facility, multi-mine company has benefits, and we're seeing it in this instance.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Last question, somewhat related. Say market conditions improve and spur you to expand production next year or the year after that, or whenever conditions may warrant. Can you remind me roughly how quickly or how difficult, or what the timeline would be for expanding your production capacity, Cigar Lake or McArthur and the Key Lake mill? Just give me a sense of kind of what kind of lead time is involved there.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Yeah. Well, Kip, as Grant said, we're in supply discipline at the moment, so we're actually.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Yep.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Planning to bring Cigar Lake down in 2024 to 15 million lbs. You know, obviously we can vary between 15 million lbs and 18 million lbs not without much difficulty. McArthur, we have a license approval to go to 25 million lbs. Our plan in 2024 is to be at 13 million lbs. Sorry, 15 million lbs. I got it backwards. You know, our ability to increase production in McArthur, we'd have to do a little bit of work. I don't think there's much CapEx at all, and so we can move up. We've got that flexibility at our two sites. As Grant said, you know, we'll watch, we'll wait for the market.

We see the signals from the market that we need to increase our production. If we have the view to sales going forward, we'll adjust our production. For now, we're in supply discipline. We're gonna stay there until further notice.

Kip Keen
Senior Reporter, S&P Global

Yep. Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Justin Huhn with Uranium Empire. Please go ahead.

Justin Huhn
Founder and Publisher, Uranium Empire

Good morning, and thanks for the great call. Thanks for taking my questions. Could you speak briefly to the Port Hope facility in terms of historical total capacity production relative to nameplate capacity in terms of percentage-wise, let's say, over the past 3 years to 5 years? Are you currently operating at full capacity? Do you expect to be? If we expect ConverDyn back online mid-2023, the French operating relatively close to full capacity and the facility in the U.K. you mentioned also idled, are you considering increasing capacity at Port Hope for conversion?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Hi, Justin. Good to speak with you. Thanks for asking the question. Again, it's a focus on conversion that we're not accustomed to. It's great to see, by the way, so happy to talk about it. Port Hope has actually had the opposite challenge, not operating at full capacity, but operating well below because the conversion market was just so underpriced for so many years. It is licensed for 12,500 tons of capacity per year. We haven't run it at that rate ever. We haven't achieved that nameplate ever. We have in the past, in the last sort of price spike, ran it at a rate for several months that would have annualized out to full nameplate production. The conversion market just fell away for the reasons that I talked about.

Much supply coming to the market already converted, showing up as UF6. Conversion price fell below CAD 5 a kgU for a period of time. As a result, supply discipline in conversion actually began a few years before it did in uranium. It began with the SFL, the Springfields facility in the U.K., shutting down in 2014 when we canceled our whole converting deal there. And then of course, we began to throttle back production at Port Hope. Then the ConverDyn facility went into care and maintenance. And then of course, I think there were difficulties ramping up in France. That happened while inventories were being drawn down and conversion suddenly was required again. Conversion fundamentals were already improving.

Then along comes February 24th and the need to exclude Russia from the conversion space. As I said earlier, right now it's about looking at historic conversion prices, looking at maximizing margins, but being mindful that there are some facilities that are poised to come back and not front-running demand with supply. I mean, right now, ConverDyn's planning to come back, and I think at that time, have even talked about expanding. That French facility can run at 15,000 or is nameplate to 15,000 tons and has expectations to get there. Some talk about the facility in the U.K. Springfield as a site is very important to the U.K. nuclear infrastructure as a UF6 production site.

I think there are some challenges, but when conversion hits historic prices, obviously it creates incentives to at least have a look at it. We just have to be very disciplined there, and we like our position in Port Hope. I would say the market is the market is signaling that it needs conversion, but it's, you know, until we see actual procurement, we're just not gonna respond to, well, people say they want it, so let's increase production. Well, no, in our business, the way you prove it is through the power of procurement. We'd need to see that pick up in a meaningful way to then even give any thought to further increases at Port Hope.

At the moment, conversion is tight, and the only way to loosen it up is to begin to procure more, and that will lead to the production decisions that would increase it. I think that's the way to think about that part of the fuel cycle.

Justin Huhn
Founder and Publisher, Uranium Empire

Excellent. Great answer. Thank you so much. Just a quick follow-up with regard to the conversion and enrichment markets. We're already hearing that some Western enrichers have made a significant jump in their tails assays. When we consider that utilities are seeking out conversion and enrichment first, which makes a lot of sense, and over the past number of years, like over the past decade really, they've been able to buy UF6 hand over fist from enrichers, from underfeeding, from tails re-enrichment, and that is at least in the West, looking to be declining, if not disappearing, in terms of availability very, very quickly.

Can you guys put a little bit finer point on expected time frames in terms of utilities wrapping their heads around available conversion and enrichment capacity, let's say, out in the middle of this decade and seeking out further U308 procurement going forward? Is this something that you're expecting to happen in a significantly higher volume as soon as even this year?

Grant Isaac
Senior VP and CFO, Cameco Corporation

Yes. Let me back it up into a couple of components. Obviously you get the first demand uplift that just comes from the fundamentals, right? It's the improving clean energy focus, the energy security focus, the energy affordability focus. We're seeing that come as demand in the short- term, reactor programs being saved in the medium- term, reactor programs getting life extensions. In the long- term, it's new builds, not just the big reactors, but also advanced reactors, small modular reactors. You've got that demand uplift that's driving the need for uranium right through to fuel fabrication. You add to this the bifurcated market challenge, which I think is at the heart of your question.

The only way for the Western market to bridge through the Russian replacement challenge in the short- term, awaiting additional capacity installed at Western enrichers, is overfeeding. The only way to get more out of an enrichment plant that's at capacity is to throw more uranium into it. There's more uranium demand that's gonna come from that overfeed. That's kind of a shorter- to- medium-term lift on uranium demand that I don't think people are even really paying a lot of attention. We are but I don't think enough people are paying attention to that overfeed piece. Don't forget there's a third uplift in demand, and that is everybody's inventory is gonna go up because of the higher commitments. You see that our purchases are gonna go up in year because we've got more commitments.

We've got more commitments, we need to carry more inventory. Cameco is gonna need to buy more. That's gonna happen all along the supply chain. You know, the converters, the enrichers, the fabricators, everybody's working capital is gonna go up. Oh, by the way, utilities going through a supply crisis, inventory tends to be pro-cyclical. We'll actually see demand come into the one-time demand for inventory at probably higher inventory targets than they were ahead of time. I think you're absolutely right in layering in these components to say that the only way for us effectively to do this is demand's going up right across the fuel cycle.

Actually there's going to be some shorter- term pressures that are required in order to exclude Russia on a very rapid basis until such a time as there's more enrichment capacity. We're looking out into 2028, into that window before you've effectively expanded enrichment capacity, which says to us, there's a bulge of uranium demand just related to overfeed that's going to have to come in order to bridge through that exclusionary process. So I think you're thinking about it the right way. I would just articulate it from that buildup. There's the fundamental demand, there's the exclusionary demand, and then there's the inventory demand. You add that all up, and it explains why we're bullish.

Justin Huhn
Founder and Publisher, Uranium Empire

Fantastic. Thank you guys so much.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Justin, thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Tim Gitzel for any closing remarks.

Tim Gitzel
President and CEO, Cameco Corporation

Well, thanks very much, operator. With that, I just wanna say thanks to everybody who joined us today. We, as always, appreciate your interest, support, and the great questions we get. Let me leave you just with a couple of comments today. You know, our world today is facing some pretty significant challenges, including, and we've talked about these, decarbonization and electrification while ensuring energy affordability and security without jeopardizing the ambitious net zero targets that have been set. There's a lot of uncertainty in the world energy landscape, and a lot of countries are having to take a hard look at where they should get their fuel. More than ever, the world's looking for a stable, reliable, and politically dependable fuel supply. I believe we're witnessing a fundamental change that will alter the way countries approach their energy needs going forward.

I think that anyone who looks seriously at the global issues we're facing would say there's no solution without nuclear. We see a lot of opportunity ahead of us with demand for safe, reliable, affordable, and carbon-free baseload electricity coming from across the globe. As a responsible commercial supplier with a strong balance sheet, long-lived tier-one assets and a proven operating track record and line of sight to return to our tier-one cost structure, we at Cameco believe we're extraordinarily well-positioned to respond to the changing market dynamics. We're excited about the future we're seeing for nuclear power generation. We're excited about the fundamentals for nuclear fuel supplies, and we're excited about the prospects for our company.

We will continue to do what we said we would do, executing on our strategy, and consistent with our values, we'll do so in a manner we believe will make our business sustainable over the long- term. We'll continue to make the health and safety of our workers, their families, and their communities our priority. Thanks, everybody. Stay safe and healthy, and have a nice summer.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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