Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Jul 16, 2020

Good day, and welcome to the Cogeco Inc. And Cogeco Communications Inc. Q3 twenty twenty Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Patrice Houme, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Cogeco Inc. And Cogeco Communications Inc. Please go ahead, Mr. Houme. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to our third quarter conference call, which I'll cover with Philippe Jete. So before we begin this call, I would like to remind listeners that the call is subject to forward looking statements, can be found in the press releases we issued yesterday night. And I'll turn the call over to Philippe Jotet. Merci, Patrice, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss the results of our third quarter ending 05/31/2020. I'd like to start by highlighting the outstanding work performed by our teams across Quebec, Ontario and The US East Coast, which enabled Cogeco to provide high quality connectivity services and increase access to information and entertainment for our customers since the beginning of the COVID nineteen crisis. Cogeco's subsidiaries have quickly adapted their services through the implementation of personalized measures to offer customers more flexibility while encouraging them to make use of our online services, including self serve, self installations, and self repairs. In the medium term, we intend to capitalize on a number of initiatives, which were implemented during the confinement period to accelerate our digital transformation journey as we expect that many customers will continue to use our online tools after the pandemic. Cogeco was particularly proud to have responded to the increased needs of its customers, thanks to the capacity, reliability, and quality of its network, which experienced significant data traffic peaks during the confinement period with increased teleworking, online educational, and digital entertainment consumption. Despite having offered numerous relief initiatives to our customers such as temporary discontinuance of late fees and data overage fees, the third quarter financial results of Cogeco Communications were only modestly impact by the COVID nineteen pandemic as we experienced strong demand for our Internet product and a lower level of customer activations and disconnections, which contributed to lower operating costs. However, the third quarter financial results of Cogeco Inc. Were more impacted due to its exposure to the media business as radio advertising revenue was significantly impacted by the pandemic. On a positive note, we are seeing modestly improving trends in the radio sector with the gradual easing of confinement measures helping the retail sector and the economy. In line with its corporate social responsibility engagement, was very proud to receive two prestigious recognitions over the last month. Cogeco Communications has been named to Corporate Knights twenty twenty best 50 corporate citizens in Canada for a third consecutive year, placing it among the Canadian companies which are setting the standard for sustainable growth leadership. In addition, we were honored to receive the caring company certification from Imagine Canada, which recognize our philanthropic work and social commitment. We have always strives to support our communities and are proud to join a network of leaders who are setting the standard for corporate philanthropy in Canada. Let us continue with Cogeco Communications' latest strategic development. Cogeco Connexion was proud to announce on May 21 that it was selected for 11 infrastructure projects as part of the the Quebec government new connected regions program to accelerate access to high speed Internet in underserved regions. These projects, which are part of the first phase of the program, will make it possible to connect more than 15,500 homes located in 15 regional municipalities across Quebec. These planned network expansions are in addition to the January announcement that Cogeco Connection in conjunction with SWIFT, a non for profit municipality led broadband initiative, will deploy its networks to 3,650 more homes and businesses in the Wellington and Lambton Counties in Ontario. Cogeco Connection has submitted several additional infrastructure projects located in Quebec and Ontario as part of the CRTC's broadband fund program. It also expects to submit other projects under the new improving connectivity in Ontario program, the federal government universal broadband fund program, as well as for the next call for projects with the SWIFT program. As part of our strategy to extend our regional and rural Internet coverage and further reinforce our position to enter the wireless market in a disciplined manner. Cogeco Connection acquired on May 1, Iterac, a company that operates as a full telecommunication service provider in Southern Quebec using a combination of fixed wireless and fiber to the home technologies. As part of the transaction, Cogeco acquired 15 exclusive 3.5 gigahertz spectrum licenses. The 3.5 gigahertz band is globally recognized for the deployment of five g technologies. Iturax network, spectrum licenses, and workforce expertise will be complementary assets as they cover a large region in rural South Southern Quebec and serve approximately 2,000 customers. This transaction represents the third acquisition of spectrum licenses by Cogeco over the last two years. Speaking of the Canadian operations various strategic objectives, we also announced the appointment of Frederic Perron to the position of president of Cogeco Connection effective September 1. Frederic is a seasoned and dynamic senior executive with over two decades of leadership at leader at leading telecommunications and financial services companies such as T Mobile, Vodafone, Rogers, and Capital One. His proven track record in developing high performance teams as well as his extensive experience in marketing, branding, sales, and customer service will be strong assets as Cogeco Connection pursues its growth and innovates to deliver distinctive customer experiences. Friedrich was most recently chief commercial officer at T Mobile Poland, where he led a team of 3,000 people serving 7,000,000 customers. He successfully built the company's commercial portfolio from the ground up, refreshed the brand, substantially improved the client service approach, and fostered strong employee engagement. Frederic will be based in our Burlington, Ontario office. Moving on to m and a's, the Thames Valley Communication acquisition was closed on March 10 for an amount of US 50,000,000. The upcoming launch of enhanced bundles and the TiVo video platform on this footprint is expected to contribute to increased penetration services. Given that Thames Valley is contiguous to our existing Connecticut operations, we also expect to generate operating efficiencies. We continue to look for further value accretive acquisitions in The US to accelerate our growth as we enjoy a solid financial position at both Atlantic Broadband and Cogeco Communications. Given a net leverage ratio at 2.7 times net debt to EBITDA, excess cash at €294,000,000 pro form a, the €200,000,000 debenture that we will redeem on July 20, unused revolving credit facilities of close to 1,000,000,000 and significant positive free cash flow generated each quarter, we have decided to renew our normal course issuer bid to repurchase up to 1,900,000.0 shares over the next year or 10% of the public float. Note that we repurchased 90% of the maximum permitted shares for an amount of 175,000,000 during the last program, and we continue to be active under the current program. Let me move to an overview of our consolidated financial results at Cogeco Communications. For the quarter, reported revenue has reached $605,800,000 increasing by 1.1% in constant currency. EBITDA has reached 294,700,000.0 increasing by 1.9% in constant currency and resulted in an EBITDA margin of 48.6%. Atlantic Broadband's revenue and EBITDA growth were partly offset by modest decline at Cogeco Connection. CapEx intensity at 20.4% was higher than the same quarter last year due to higher capital expenditures at both Cogeco Connection and Atlantic Broadband, although we expect full year expenditures to be in line with our initial expectations. The quarterly dividend has been reconfirmed at $0.58 per share. Let us look now at the financial results of the individual components. Cogeco Connections reported revenue has declined by 1.6% relative to the same quarter last year, mainly as a result of video customer losses and lower net pricing from consumer sales, mostly as a result of the carryover effect of product bundles being more actively promoted from the '19 to the second quarter of fiscal twenty. The revenue decline was partly offset by the continued growth in Internet services customers and rate increases. When compared to the second quarter of the current fiscal year, revenue declined by a modest point 5% due to the impact of the pandemic as we did not charge data overage fees and credits were given to customers subscribing to sports packages. Cogeco Connections EBITDA declined 1.1% relative to the third quarter of last year, mainly as a result of lower revenues and higher bad debts due to the economic downturn related to COVID nineteen, partly offset by lower marketing initiatives and installation cost as customers were largely performing self installation and remote repairs during the pandemic. Note that EBITDA has actually grown by 3.7% relative to last quarter as a result a result of lower operating expenses. The organic loss in primary service units has remained stable relative to the same quarter last year, But the client mix has improved due to the increased Internet subscription and service upgrades as our high quality connectivity services are more than ever sought after during a period where teleworking and online education are essential. Atlantic Broadband's revenue in constant currency increased by 4.5% in the third quarter compared to last year, while EBITDA increased by 7.1%. Excluding the impact of the Thames Valley acquisition and a non recurring gain on disposal of property of US1.7 million dollars recorded as an offset to operating expenses, revenue and EBITDA would have grown 3.14.1% respectively in constant currency. Organic revenue growth comes mainly from both residential and business Internet service customers and rate increases mostly implemented during the fourth quarter of fiscal nineteen, partly offset by a decrease in video service customers and the suspension of late fees charged to customers combined with lower political advertising sales in the context of COVID nineteen. Organic EBITDA growth was mainly related to an increase in revenue and lower marketing expenses, partly offset by an increase bad debts as a result of the economic downturn related to the pandemic. PSU additions in Q3 were slightly lower than during the same quarter last year due to the provision related to nonpaying customers, which Atlantic Broadband has not disconnected as part of its Keep American Connected Pledge with the Federal Communication Commission. Let us now take a look at Cogeco Inc. In the third quarter, consolidated revenue has declined by 0.6% and EBITDA has increased by 1.1% in constant currency. The communications segment contributed positively to the growth, while the media business, although on a much, much smaller scale, was significantly more impacted by the COVID nineteen pandemic as the bulk of its radio revenue is generated from the retail industry, which is significantly affected by the current crisis. As most retail store in Quebec were forced to close temporarily during the months of March, April, and May, they significantly reduced or completely stopped their media spending. This added direct impact on our radio business, which recorded a year over year decline of 33% in revenue. To mitigate the negative impact of such a decline, the business took immediate actions to reduce its cost base, which partly lowered the negative impact of results. The severity and length of the crisis and its economic impact on radio advertising revenue, especially on the retail industry, remains unknown at the moment. We do, however, expect our media business to be in a strong position from a market share perspective when the situation eventually stabilizes the Numeris Spring rankings as four of our stations at the top marking at at the top of market ranking. The quarterly dividend has been reconfirmed at 47.5¢ per share. I will now discuss financial guidelines. Based on the experience gained while operating during the pandemic and the fact that there is one quarter left to the current fiscal year, Cogeco Inc. And Cogeco Communications are introducing financial guidelines for the current fiscal ending August on 08/31/2020 on a constant current currency basis. We expect that both companies will achieve low single digit percentage revenue and EBITDA growth and mid single digit percentage free cash flow growth. For the fourth quarter of fiscal twenty twenty, we expect positive revenue and EBITDA growth at Cogeco Connection. At Atlantic Broadband, we expect that organic revenue and EBITDA year over year growth will be in line with the Q3 performance when excluding a nonrecurring gain of €1,700,000 as discussed. At Cogeco Media, we expect a further decline in advertising revenue as the easing of confinement measures in Montreal occurred only gradually in June. However, we are currently seeing modestly improving trends in our advanced bookings. Our multiyear revenue and EBITDA organic growth plans call for low single digit growth in Canada and mid single digit growth in The U. S. And mid single digit consolidated free cash flow growth. However, the performance of the performance in fiscal year twenty twenty one will depend on a number of factors, including the impact of COVID-nineteen and the related state of the economy and competitive dynamics in Canada and The US. We will provide guidelines for f twenty one when we have sufficiently sufficient visibility on how the COVID nineteen crisis will evolve and its impact on the economy. Let me conclude by saying that we are very pleased with how our teams have responded to the COVID nineteen crisis, showing great adaptability, agility, and strong dedication. We were able to navigate through significant changes in the way we operate during the confinement period and expect to improve operations going forward by capitalizing on lessons learned and a new opportunities and new opportunities arising from increased connectivity needs. On this, we will be happy to answer your questions. Your first question comes from the line of Arvinda Galappat. Your line is open. Good morning. Thanks for, taking my questions. A couple from me. First of all, on the Canadian, Internet subscriber numbers, obviously, very good result in the current conditions. I was wondering if you can provide a little bit more color on that front. I know that reduction in churn is a big part of that, but, competitively, you guys have a significant advantage in terms of speed. I was wondering whether you can talk to the extent to which that became a bigger factor this quarter and how we should think about that in the future when you think about the competitive landscape there? And then, in The US, is there any change in the M and A landscape? You know, I know that you keep an eye on a group of, potential targets there. Is it fair to say that the current conditions, you know, potentially hasten a transaction or maybe bring some of those players to the table a bit sooner, in light of some of the pressures they might be feeling in the near term. I'll leave it there. Thanks. All right. So hi, Aravind. It's Patrice. So I'll take your questions. On the strength of Canadian Internet numbers, I would say it's always difficult to know exactly where where the new customers are coming from, but, generally, you can see them in two buckets. One is customers moving from DSL to our network or FTTM, but mainly DSL to our network, which is a lot faster. As you know, we offer a 120 megabits everywhere and a gigabit in 70% of the territory in Canada. So that's a that's a portion. So people wanting faster Internet. The other one is, you know, with, obviously, a lot of people working from home now, there are some people that did not have Internet lines at home and have installed Internet lines. So they were, sorry, only running TV at home or not, and and access to the Internet was through wireless. So I would say it would come from those two. We we do expect that this strong growth in the quarter and people working from home will be less prevalent in the future, obviously, as people have installed themselves to be able to work from home. That being said, we do still expect strength in the coming quarter because, again, our our speed advantage will remain for for a long time. On the USMNA landscape, it's actually a bit the reverse. Like us, most players have businesses that have had some impact from COVID, so more costs, some lost revenues, but more strength in Internet numbers. So I would say, generally, we're we're seeing this across the board. And most players, I'm sorry, are are generating cash flows. So there are some processes that we were expecting to happen earlier in the year that have been postponed, but we do expect that it will they will come back to market. So we should normally get back to a normal market in the in the coming months. That would be our our view. Obviously, with what's going on right now in The States in terms of confinement in different states, first wave, second wave, we'll have to see how it evolves. Obviously, when we make an acquisition, we have to be able to visit the the operation. So this will be the key thing to look at. Great. Thank you, Patrice. Your next question comes from the line of Vince Valentini from TD Securities. Your line is open. Yes, thanks very much. First question is on free cash flow and your guidance. I just I want to make sure I understand this. You say mid single digit growth for the year. Through nine months, you're down 7%. So if you were going to do, say, 5% growth for the full year, you'd need to do about $132,000,000 of free cash flow in the fourth quarter, which would be a 57% increase from last year. Is that what you're trying to telegraph because of some major timing issues on cash taxes or CapEx or any other items? Or is mid single digit to be taken as a wider interpretation of what the growth could be for the full year? Do expect to be again, it's in constant currency, but we do expect to be at mid single digit growth year over year for free cash flow. It's true that the CapEx level was elevated in Q3. We did sometimes there's timing on certain projects, but we also bought a bit more CPEs than usual as we were initially just trying to protect from shortages on CPE as we were getting into the COVID crisis. And we have strengthened the network as well, so we've we've advanced some projects. So we do expect these these expenses to not reoccur in q four. But yes. So I would say mid single digit. Obviously, it's not a it's not a perfect number, but we should be around there. And as we said on the last call, we we took out our guide guidance last on on our last call, but we also said that we were aiming to be to protect the cash flow. So this is with a slightly lower level of EBITDA, we're able to control CapEx and have a slightly lower level of CapEx and end up in a similar situation in free cash flow. And Patrice, is there anything in terms of cash taxes? I think I read in the release that some government levels allowed you to defer some payments from that would have been paid in q three. So is there some catch up in q four or not till September or beyond? No. I don't expect anything larger than taxes in q four. Mind you, our our tax expense was higher in q three. That's both the well, it's it's mainly the total tax expense. So as our business evolves and our mix of business between US and Canada changes, the interest rate change as well. They changed a lot recently. We we were guiding initially on cash taxes of about 12% for the year. And so far in the year, that's where we are. When you look past this year, we this will probably increase a little bit to about 14%. This is what we foresee in the future. And the total tax this quarter was about including the deferred was about 23%. So going forward, it will probably be around there, like 23%, 24%. So that's been a there's been a shift related to taxes due to these elements. Okay. Great. And one last one. Bad debts, you talked about those expenses being up in both Canada and The U. S. Can you quantify that at all? And have you taken any sort of allowances to try to predict what bad debts will be in future quarters? Or have you just booked what was realized in Q3? Yes. So we booked about $3,000,000 more on a consolidated basis than usual. Normally, we're running the bad debt expense. You have you can look at it as a bad debt expense or including write offs as well. But if you look at just at the expense line on the p and l as a percentage of revenue, overall in the year, it runs at about point 4%. This quarter was higher. It was about double that. But we do it quarter by quarter because we always we cannot really prebook it. We look at the at the receivables, and we have to estimate what will be collectible and not. And as you know, our our receivables are higher than usual as we have agreed, like, whole industry to to not disconnect customers during the the confinement period. So we do expect a large number of customers to pay some of the longer dated bills, but, obviously, it it does increase bad debt. Maybe one thing to mention also is given this particular timing where we cannot collect as as as normal, especially in q three, we did also estimate the number of PSUs which we would normally have disconnected and taken out. So we actually took a provision in our in our PSU numbers to give a better picture for what are the the the the revenue generating PSUs in the quarter. Thank you very much. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Fan from Scotiabank. Your line is open. Thank you. Good morning. Hope everyone is well. Got a few questions. First, just to clarify on the guidance that you gave for q four for Canada. I think you talked about growth in the fourth quarter both in revenue and EBITDA. I just wanna make sure I heard that correctly. And if so, what are some of the drivers to get you from q three, which seemed to still be negative, to the positive in q four? Yeah. So you you heard it correctly. We do expect to grow in q four year over year. Actually, when you look at q three, it was a decline year over year, but we had more impacts from COVID in there. But when you when you compare q three to q two, actually, the the EBITDA has grown, and the the the revenue has declined less than when you compare year over year. So so my point is it's an improvement in q three versus q two, and we do expect q four to be an improvement as well. The what will drive this on the on the revenue front while we're getting more back to normal in Canada with the easing of confinement, Sports is gonna come back as well. I I talked about collection as well. So we're gonna be not yet in normal state, but not in a state we were in q three where where most people were were confined at home. And and, also, we have to look at q four last year, which was a softer quarter. So that also plays into it when you compare the two years. Okay. Maybe unpacking that a little bit. The, the ARPU trends, you talked about some price increases that typically would have happened in May, did not happen, and some of the fees were waived, both overage in Canada and fees in The US. Can you talk about the rough impact of some of these fees being waived in the quarter in in the quarter you just reported? And, also, a little bit of color on what you plan for with regarding rates that was delayed back in May? Yes. So for you're you're talking about Canada still? Yeah. The impact on revenue is a bit more than a million, so it's a bit smaller. And are you over sorry. No. Go ahead. No. I was gonna ask whether the overage fees are now reinstated for Canada. Yeah. So it's it's gradual, and it's it it depends on the regions and and and so so I would say for q four, it's a mix. And then you can assume that when we get to next year, then we're gonna be back to normal. Okay. And the price increase? Yes. We had introduced a small price increase in Ontario, which we delayed initially during the confinement period, but this will be applicable in q four. It's not major. I would say if you take the overall revenue base, it's about 1% because it does not touch all the products and all the regions. Great. I guess one final question is on the network capacity. You talked about usage increasing the capacity spend. Wondering if you can help us talk think through the capacity margin that you have in the network with that capacity spend. We we still have more than enough capacity, as you know, and it's a continuous pro process. Our engineers are monitoring very closely the level of usage for every services in every area of the network. And as we add CapEx and and and capacity, there's an ongoing monitoring process that'll reset itself and and reforecast the next addition. So we should not be in any trouble capacity wise. It's ongoing. Great. Thanks so much. Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Griffin from Bank of America. Your line is open. Alright. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask about there's been significant kind of government support for business and individuals. And, yeah, I hear your comments that you're expecting growth in the quarter, but do you not expect maybe a lagged effect of some kind of headwinds to revenue once this support gets pulled back a little bit? And I'm thinking maybe more on the, you know, small business side on the on the commercial side, if you can make any comments there. And then just to follow-up on the comments made about the network and capacity, I know comments have been made in the past about the download, you know, capacity and and where that kind of peaks and how that's gone. I was wondering with the increase in work from home and video conferencing, how the the upload side of that looks and if there's any plans to kind of augment that or any requirement or foreseeing need to augment that going forward. Okay. Well, let me start with the capacity just to stay on that. The the the the the same process apply, uploads or downloads. We monitor and augment both both streams in our network constantly. So broadband networks, fixed broadband networks are a lot easier and less less less impacted by fluctuation. Our loads are more stable compared to wireless networks. So when when actually you run into trouble, it's more on the wireless side. The wired network are very predictable. We have line of sight on on on the mid to long term because we have very high loads, and they don't swing that much. So uploads or or downloads, we can easily predict and make the augmentation we need. Now for your the first part of your question, and I'll ask Patrice to to to complement that, but we are giving guidance for only this quarter. Of course, there's all kinds of things that could happen and with the economic recovery. We plan with what we know so far. The the the the small business are more impacted, but they they they all count of our networks, Internet connectivity on on our telephony, on our hosted PBX service to to to to stay in business and get the most out of it. So we don't really foresee that they will all go bankrupt and disconnect all essential services like connectivity. Yeah. If I can add also so so that's it. So we're talking about q four, and q four ends in a in a month and a half. So it's it's very close by, and the government programs in Canada are running either to that or or past that as well. And you're right that long term, if we look into next year, once the programs ease, and that's a question mark because they were just extended for for on the commercial side, We will have to see how how this works. We've already seen a decrease in video feed in the hospitality area. Obviously, the core business is Internet and phones. So as long as the businesses are in operations, normally, these are services that are essential for them to operate. Okay. Thanks. And maybe if I can just follow-up too with one other question about The US. Florida excuse me. Florida's been a pretty key market for you guys. I'm just wondering with them being in the news kind of in a negative way recently, I mean, is that impacting your operations at all, or has it been fairly stable given that they're not kind of imposing the same type of shutdowns that you would have seen in Quebec and Ontario? Yeah. Well, it's it's pretty sad what's happening in Florida. We we monitor that very closely, and this will most likely bring more confinement measures in place. But people are still using essential services as we just mentioned for business or for consumers. They they they will be most likely reconfined, but they won't stop needing information, entertainment, and connectivity services. So we don't really foresee a big swing, but it could delay some projects, like new ads on our network. If confine reconfinement measures are put in place, it will it could slow down some some builds and some projects and slow down some some PSUs. But existing customers will continue to use our services the way they use it. They they certainly won't downgrade, and more could upgrade. Okay. Thanks a lot. Your next question comes from the line of Drew McReynolds from RBC. Your line is open. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks very much. Good morning. But one follow-up for me on the television side. Lots going on in the numbers we just saw for the period. You you alluded to give in on the residential side credits to customers. And then obviously, the commercial television side, you've seen with the closures an impact. I'm just trying to get a sense for underlying if there's any accelerated TV cord cutting or cord shaving at this point as you kind of look forward. And just secondly to that, I may have missed this in the opening commentary. Could you give us an update on where you are with the IPTV deployment? That'd be great. Thank you. Right. So on the, cord cutting, no. We're not actually seeing cord cutting And as people have been confined home, actually, TV watching has been good and use of phone as well. I would say the the credits were more on the specific sports packages in Canada, where we're also getting credits on on on the video we're we're buying from the providers. So it doesn't apply to across the board, but it's for the larger sports related packages. Once sports comes back and it's it's slowly starting again, then we do expect those credits to be removed. And, obviously, customers will have access to the to to what they're used to watching, and we're gonna be back to normal. So no no activity so far we're seeing in terms of accelerated cord cutting. And, Salit, did you wanna cover IPTV? IPTV. Yes. Good question. On we we have not stopped internally our work. Of course, our priority right now remains on the stability of our operations, best service to our customers and assistance while they perform self care, self repair, self install. So we have a full workforce to serve the customers. It's not an ideal time to launch a new product, so we are looking for the best timing. The the latest the the latest months were not ideal to launch a new product, so it's there, and we will launch it as soon as a better timing can be found. In the meantime, we continue to optimize it and create the best products for our customers. Okay. Thanks very much. Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Fan from Scotiabank. Your line is open. Jeff Fan, your line is open. Yes. I I think we've had Jeff before. Oh, go ahead. Hi. Sorry about that. Sorry. I was on mute. I wanted to just quickly follow-up on the sports comment on the credits that you're giving to your customers and the credits that you're actually getting from your broadcast partners. How is this working? Are you proactively giving credits and then getting the same dollar credits from your broadcasters? Can you just kinda walk us through how that's working? Yeah. We we have proactively done it on certain packages, and, basically, the it's it's it's a matching we actually give bigger credits than we save on on the video, so we we lose the margin. But but that's the right thing to do. And we we are using the way we pay our video is directly linked to what we charge our customers in terms of the packages and and the feed they're getting. So we know exactly who gets what, and so it's linked, basically. The credits we're getting for certain packages is is taken out in revenues and also in our cost and video. Okay. And then you've that's had a slight negative impact, actually, because you're you're giving more credits away than you're getting back. That's right. I wouldn't say it's it's very large, but, yes, we're we're we're losing the margin there. Yeah. Okay. And as as sports comes back, hopefully, I guess, in the next few weeks, I guess those will all start to reverse? That's the expectation. Yes. Okay. Great. Thank you. And this this can be complemented with some channels that were also provided to us for free and we as unscrambled channels, and we made them available for free to to our subscriber, thus augmenting the choice and the the entertainment experience. But this came at no cost, and we have provided the same unscrambled channels at no cost. Great. Thanks for the color. There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters. Well, thanks everybody for being being there today. We're gonna be presenting our q four numbers in the fall. And in the interim, as usual, please feel free to call us if you have any questions. Thank you. Bye now. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.