Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call for Canadian Utilities Limited. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Myles Dougan, Director, Investor Relations and External Disclosure. Please go ahead, Mr. Dugan.
Thank you, Sachi, and good morning, everyone. We're pleased you could join us for our Q3 2020 conference call. With me today is Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dennis DeChamplain. Dennis will begin today with some opening comments on the recent company developments and our financial results. Following his prepared remarks, we will take questions from the investment community.
Please note that a replay of the conference call and a transcript will be available on our website at canadianutilities.com and can be found in the Investors section under the heading Events and Presentations. I'd like to remind you all that our remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to
important risks and uncertainties.
For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reports filed by Canadian Utilities with Canadian Securities Regulators. And finally, I'd also like to point out that during this presentation, we may refer to certain non GAAP measures such as adjusted earnings, adjusted earnings per share, funds generated by operations and capital investment. These measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS, and as a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented in other entities. And now, I'll turn the call over to Dennis for his opening remarks.
Thanks, Myles, and good morning, everyone. I hope you and your families are well and staying safe. Canadian Utilities achieved adjusted earnings of $76,000,000 in Q3 of 2020 compared to $106,000,000 in the Q3 of 2019. Lower earnings this quarter were mainly due to the sale of the Canadian electricity generation business in the Q3 of 2019 and the sale of Alberta PowerLine in the Q4 of 2019. These businesses contributed $37,000,000 in adjusted earnings in the Q3 of 2019.
Excluding the foregone earnings from the businesses that were sold, Canadian Utilities earnings in the Q3 of 2020 were $7,000,000 higher compared to the Q3 last year. Higher earnings are mainly due to storage and industrial water earnings, higher earnings in electricity generation from cost efficiencies, as well as higher earnings from our Alberta Retail Energy business. The COVID-nineteen pandemic, oil price decline and slowing global economic activity did not have a significant impact on Canadian Utilities operations and financial performance in the 1st 9 months of 2020. While we are experiencing a softening in our capital investments, overall, our businesses continue to generate strong earnings and cash flows. On September 30, we entered into an agreement to acquire the 130 kilometer Pioneer Pipeline for a purchase price of $255,000,000 This agreement replaces the previously announced purchase and sale agreement whereby Nova Gas Transmission Limited or NGTL NGTL, let's take purchase pipeline under similarly substantially similar terms.
Canadian Utilities and NGTL agreed that we will transfer to NGTL a 30 kilometer segment that is located within their service territory. We will retain ownership and continue to operate the 100 kilometer portion of the Pioneer pipeline that is in our service territory. The transaction is subject to regulatory approval by the AUC and the Alberta Energy Regulator, which are expected by the Q2 of 2021. If approved by the regulators, this Pioneer transaction would add a net $200,000,000 to natural gas transmission's current rate base of about $2,000,000,000 Continuing with regulatory developments, on October 13, we received an AUC decision on the 2021 generic cost of capital proceedings. The commission approved the extension of the current return on equity of 8.5% and an equity thickness ratio of 37%, both on a final basis for 2021.
Our total capital investments in the 1st 9 months of 2020 was $659,000,000 or $193,000,000 lower than the same period in 2019. Lower capital spending was mainly due to the completion of construction on Alberta PowerLine in 2019, as well as delayed capital investment in the utilities. As a result of the COVID-nineteen pandemic and the oil price collapse, we do not expect to invest the previously disclosed $1,200,000,000 in capital in 2020. Our current estimate for the full year is approximately $900,000,000 in regulated and long term contracted capital investment in 2020. We continue to review our 3 year capital investment plan to account for changing customer needs and changes to capital projects that are directly assigned to us from the Alberta Electric System Operator.
Finally, I'm pleased to inform you that in August, Dominion Bond Rating Service affirmed its A long term corporate credit rating and stable outlook on Canadian utilities and its A low rating on ATCO, our parent company. In September, S and P affirmed its A- credit rating on Canadian Utilities and ATCO. S and P's outlook for both companies was revised from stable to negative. S and P also affirmed CU Inc. A- credit rating and maintained a stable outlook, reflecting S and P's decision to insulate the CU Inc.
Credit rating from the ATCO Group credit rating. CU Inc. Has been our main debt issuer in recent years. So we think this decision by S and P to change from a single group rating approach to a separate rating approach for AUC sorry, for CU Inc. Is entirely appropriate and has been welcomed by our CU Inc.
Bond investors. That concludes my prepared remarks. And now I'll turn the call back over to Myles.
Thank you, Dennis. And we'll turn the call over now to the conference coordinator for questions.
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer The first question is from Maurice Choi of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning everyone. My first question is just picking up on the CapEx plan. And as you mentioned, there's a softening in spend and that has led to €900,000,000 spend this year, down from €1,200,000,000 Can you share if you've had any recent discussions with your regulators with regards to the direction of utility spend moving forward. Specifically, I suppose if you look at the effects of the pandemic, surely you are now able to revisit some of the types of spending. Should we expect more towards electric side and perhaps away from gas given the GHG emission reasons?
Or is there any early indications of incorporating your findings from hydrogen blending?
Thanks, Maurice. We've not had direct discussions with the regulators on the CapEx. As you know, our distribution utilities in Alberta and in Australia are covered by a 5 year PBR or access arrangement deal. So that's relatively light handed regulation for those companies. In terms of our cost of service companies, electric transmission is in the midst of its general tariff application.
It's, I'll call it, the long running electric GTA. And we're also in the midst of our gas transmission. So while there hasn't been any direct discussions, the electricity transmission capital, to the extent that it's direct assigned by the ISO, there has been deferral account treatment to that capital. So any reductions or changes to that capital get trued up and flowed through the impact flowed through back to customers and the company accordingly. What we see is really our Q3 results of capital where we spent about $200,000,000 We see that as kind of reflective of the run rate or what we would expect to see in Q4 at a very high level.
And that's kind of how we get to that approximately $900,000,000 in capital investment for 2020. Once you factor in depreciation and other adjustments, that equates to about a 1% growth in rate base. The with regards to the ongoing the knock on effect to the 3 year forecast, I think as everyone's aware, we're in an extremely fluid environment. We are reviewing our 2020 delays and deferrals and how much of that goes into the 2021 to 2023 timeframe. And then the domino or knock on effect from the pandemic and oil price collapse, how much of that capital in that period would slide out.
So we're going through that and we'll re arrive at our net number and communicate that to you in our Q4 MD and A, which is will be out at the end of February. Don't know the exact date. But there's no significant spend, I'm going to say, in hydrogen for this year. And again, we'll be reviewing that 2021 to 2023 forecast as we go through the final couple of months of this year.
And just a quick follow-up on that. Is the process one where it's an internal review and or is it one that you're waiting for regulators to come back with your feedback and want to finalize this capital type review?
It's our internal view. We're not waiting on the regulator to form our investment plans.
And the second and final question is in regards to Puerto Rico. You would have seen some recent comments from some of the leading candidates for the government acquisition with regards to the O and M contract. Can you share any early thoughts as to how you think this contract will progress, if you've had any early discussions with any of the parties? Thank you.
Sure. Thanks, Maurice. At this time, Luma doesn't believe that there has been a change in the assessment of the risk of terminations of the agreement. I think some of the or at least one of the gubernatorial candidates has expressed such a sentiment. But despite the public statements, there haven't been any third party actions that have been made that would undermine the legal enforceability of the agreement.
And we are as committed as ever to work through the front end transition period. And we're focused on improving electricity service to the people of Puerto Rico. So no change in our view at present.
The next question is from Mark Jarvi of CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone. I wanted to talk about the GCOC given the fact that they essentially pushed out and stopped the 2021 proceedings given they couldn't get a decision probably done and implemented in the next year. So I think in the MD and A you guys think that they'll restart again in 2021 or 2022. But how does that match up with given the fact that PBR 2.0 is kind of will wrap up again in 2022. So how do you guys see the outlook here in terms of setting new regulatory ROE and equity thickness and having that match up with where you are in the current performance based mechanism?
Yes. Good morning, Mark. Thanks for the question. With our 4 Alberta based utilities, it really hasn't been possible in the past to have all of the components of our revenue requirement to be determined as final going final for the entire test periods that they're in.
We do have a good balance between our cost of
service and PVR companies. It's about sixty-forty, 60% cost of service and 40% PBR companies when you look at the rate base. And with having staggered test periods, it really helps to lessen the overall impact of any rate resets in a given year. Given that the GCOC impacts all 4 utilities and all $13 ish billion of our rate base, It's extremely important that we have prospectivity for the GCOC. And I guess beyond GCOC, what we want and quite frankly expect is that all material components of our revenues, whether GCOC, IT costs, what have you, are finalized in advance of the test periods so that we can get the so that we and customers get the full benefits of prospectivity going into the terms.
You're right, it doesn't line up exactly anymore with the end of PBR2, it helps to align it maybe on the gas transmission or electricity side and we'll march forward. But again, having prospectivity for such an important matter like GCOC is paramount. So we are glad that the ADC has determined those rates on a prospective basis. We're not happy that it's still among the lowest returns in North America, which we're continuing to strive to get that reflective of the risk given the times. So that's where we're at with GCOC.
Okay. When you reenter, I guess, next year, can you talk about the prospective outlook? What would you be advocating for in terms of the timeline for how long the new ROEs would be set for? Or are you guys still gathering those thoughts right now?
Well, we're still gathering our thoughts. I mean, we're from the last proceeding, there weren't I was going to say there weren't many fans, but I don't think there were any fans of returning to a formula. I don't think much has changed to get parties to change their positions on that. So how long can are we able to forecast out for final returns and equity thicknesses given the current times? Nobody wants to do this every year.
So we're probably looking at a
2 to 3
year time period. But again, gathering our thoughts and we'll see how that plays out when the AEC announces their timeline for that proceeding.
Okay. Anthony, you made a comment about S and P and the fact that CU Inc. Preserved their stable outlook, which is probably most key to your funding in debt issuance. Just maybe wondering what the implications are for the negative outlook at ATCO and Canadian Utilities in terms of capital redeployment again, maybe just given the uncertainty with the second wave of pandemic, how you guys are thinking about maybe liquidity, balance sheet metrics and in light of that revised outlook?
Yes. Put on negative outlook and not as you would expect, not wildly happy about that. They still have essentially a floor FFO to debt of about 15%. We're looking at our plans and seeing what we can do to convince S and P that those are attainable and the best way to do that is to deliver the goods for it. Having cash on
the balance sheet is a
credit metric positive for us. It offsets the goes to offset the amount for net debt. So in that regards, it is
our strength of our balance sheet
goes to help on those FFO to debt metrics. So we'll soldier on and do what we can on our operations and work with S and P to help hopefully remove that negative outlook and get it back to stable.
And just
a quick follow-up on that. I mean, at one point with the asset sales, particularly the power asset sales, I think your view was the business risk profile had improved and therefore there might be an argument to be made to change AFFO to debt thresholds or benchmarks. How those conversations gone and how do the debt agency, credit agencies think of the Luma cash flows in terms of their business risk and quality relative to regulated earnings stream?
I'll deal with the Luma part first. S and P views that not to be in the same class as utility earnings. So to move to the low volatility table where CU Inc. Is at and having a FFO to debt floor of about 10%. They count that in the we'll call it the non regulated bucket.
So when you take a look at ATCO Group on an overall basis with the, I'll call it, the strengthening of our structures earnings and later in Luma and our other non regulated businesses. They're of the view that the ATCO Group is really should be judged on the medial volatility table and therefore getting it to that 15%. So they haven't insulated Canadian Utilities Limited, but as that reg to non reg mix in Canadian Utilities Limited is, we'll call, at least 90, 10 right now. We do believe that if that negative outlook were to come to pass or resulting in a downgrade for the ATCO Group, that Canadian Utilities Limited should be insulated similar to how CU Inc. Was insulated.
Again, talking in hypotheticals, but best way to avoid it is to deliver that 15% FFO to debt. So we don't even need to go there.
Great. That's very helpful. Thanks, Vance.
Thanks, Mark.
The next question is from Andrew Kuske of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good morning. Could you maybe give us just an outlook for your Energy Infrastructure business? And I asked the question in part is, you do have a fairly large land position and opportunity set in an area where there's not necessarily a lot of land available for development and given your asset base, you do function a little bit like Switzerland with the neutrality kind of view on things. And so how do you think about that business and just growing that business to a greater
degree? Thanks, Andrew. Great question on the energy infrastructure. Mean, we do have our presence in the industrial heartland. We've got sufficient land to build substantially more salt caverns.
I think we're putting in number 5 right now for a customer and room to put dozens more in. So when you talk about kind of our land position within Canadian Utilities Limited, we do have ideally situated with the footprint in order to do that. We do have other land holdings in ATCO with our ATCO Land and Development Company. So some of the lands in the Heartland area are owned by ATCO, but our energy infrastructure company is ideally poised situated and we are actively looking at we've got the hydrogen blend project in that area and we're continuing to look to build out that energy infrastructure business unit in Alberta and abroad as we look at renewable energy in terms of hydro, solar in our other target markets as well.
Thank you for that. And maybe just on that latter point, and maybe more focused on just the energy infrastructure side. When you see certain companies that have either engaged in outright asset sales of infrastructure energy infrastructure or butterfly off assets or planning to, How do you think about that proposition from a Canadian Utilities perspective? And there's a duality to it that would you go down that path? Or conversely are there opportunities with just the pricing of those assets in the marketplace right now where there's just opportunities for capital allocation outside of Alberta in that realm?
Yes. We continually look at our structure our energy infrastructure assets located within Canadian Utilities. It's right in our wheelhouse in terms of our operational excellence, energy expertise. So there are no immediate plans to do anything structurally with that company here and especially the holdings here in Alberta.
And then growth opportunities elsewhere?
Yes, growth opportunities are Mexico is challenging. Chile is a large focus for us right now, as is Australia in terms of the developments in those especially in those latter two geographic areas for development.
Okay, that's great. Thank you.
The next question is from Matthew Weekes of Industrial Alliance Securities. Please go ahead.
Good morning. I just had a clarification question. First, I just wanted to make sure you said that you'd lowered the expected CapEx for $20,000,000 to $900,000,000 and that was from $200,000,000 Is that correct?
That's correct, Matthew.
Okay. Thank you. Second question is focusing on the Australian gas distribution business. It looks like quarter on quarter, there was a little bit of a pickup there. And I know there had been some headwinds due to lower forecasted inflation rate.
Are you kind of seeing that reverse a little bit as sort of economic conditions improve? And is that really sort of rebasing? Is that what drove the improvement in earnings in the Australian gas business?
Yes. Australia is down, I think, I guess, Australia about $8,000,000 kind of year over year. As we look at it, the AA5 decision has taken about $7,000,000 reduction Q3 2019 to Q3 2020. You're right, CPI has been very challenging for Australia. That's contributing about a $4,000,000 decrease in year over year.
The inflation rate that we use, we use the CPI, the forecast going in to just a couple of days ago were at about a 1.1% inflation rate increase. The actuals that came out were about 1.6%, so higher than what they had what they were forecasting for the quarter. We haven't seen an updated full year forecast for them just yet. Maybe they've got it down under, but it hasn't made its way to my task. So we are it looks like there is some upward pressure on their overall CPI inflation rate, which the previous forecast had at 0.3%.
And that just for reference, I mean, that compares to a 1.8% inflation from last year. So upwards pressure, we'll see how it goes
in Q4.
Okay, thanks. And then sort of a question in terms of the regulatory update provided in your presentation, saying you expect decisions soon on the electric and gas transmission, general tariffs and general rate applications. I was wondering if you'd be able to help me sort of understand what the impact of those decisions would be in 2021 and if we could quantify that?
Yes. The timing for the electricity GTA decision, if they hold to their current schedule, which has been problematic for them. We're looking like a decision in, we'll call it, late Q1. Don't know what the impact will be. And that's for that tariff application is for 2020 to 2023.
So we probably won't receive it in time to record for our 2020 earnings. So there would be a retroactive impact for that decision, which we would need to book when we receive that decision. I don't know, I've said before, they rarely, if ever, give you more than what you asked for. So I can't forecast what that impact will be. On the gas transmission side, their GRA is for the years 2021 to 2023.
That process is going much better in terms of getting some prospectivity. So we will get rates in 2021 for that test year. And again, same comments, can't hazard a forecast as to what that impact is going to be.
Okay. Thank you. Looking at the Pioneer Pipeline acquisition, I just want to make sure I've kind of got this right. So essentially, it's $255,000,000 but then NGTL is going to end up paying, I think it was about $63,000,000 to you guys for their portion. And then when you net out the $255,000,000 minus that $60,000,000 something, is that how you get to your $200,000,000 approximately added in the rate base?
Yes, exactly. There's a little bit of extra work that we need to do to tie everything in. So there's a little bit of investment on the gas transmission side and it brings it to the rounded $200,000,000
Okay. So you take so it's about $190,000,000 something and then there's a bit investment after that, that brings it to the to that figure there. But your net investment is going to be closer to that $190,000,000 something NGTL buys their portion?
Correct.
Okay. Thank you. That's it for me. I appreciate the color on that. I'll turn the call back.
Thanks,
Patrick. The next question is from Paul Dhaliwal of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hi, guys. I was just wondering if you'd be
able to help me out with one thing here. If you're able to quantify the demand recovery in the quarter for your C and I customers, just in terms of say like percentage impact to load and then the financial impact there and just how where we're at right now compares to pre COVID levels?
Yes. What we're seeing on are you talking electricity distribution? That's right. Yes. What we're seeing for overall for electricity is about a 5% reduction in sales.
The industrials and commercial C and I is about a 7% reduction year over year. And we're seeing about a 4% increase in our residential load. We're closely monitoring to see if this will qualify for under PBR a Z factor application to recover kind of lost earnings from exogenous events. The materiality factor for filing those Z factor applications is about $3,500,000 for electricity distribution. And while C and I will have a 7% load decrease, it's protected by ratchets, contracts, fixed charges to the extent that we are, I'll say, kind of right on the cusp of whether we even meet that materiality threshold in order to recover from customers, the lost earnings from the impact of COVID.
So we're taking a look at it. We don't know yet whether it will trigger that $3,500,000 earnings impact. We'll see how Q4 goes as COVID has reared its ugly head here in Alberta of late.
This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Myles Soughen for any closing remarks.
Well, thanks, Sachi, and thank you all for participating today. We appreciate your interest in Canadian Utilities, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon.
This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines.