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Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Feb 27, 2020

Speaker 1

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Canadian Utilities Limited Year End 2019 Results Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Myles Dougan, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Dougan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Anastasia, and good morning, everyone. We're pleased you could join us for our Q4 2019 conference call. With me today is Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dennis DeChamplain Senior Vice President and Controller, Derek Cook and Vice President, Finance, Treasurer and Risk, Colin Jackson. Dennis will begin today with some opening comments on our financial results and recent company developments. Following his prepared remarks, we will take questions from the investment community.

Please note that a replay of the conference call and a transcript will be available on our website canadianutilities.com and can be found in the Investors section under the heading Events and Presentations. I'd like to remind you all that our remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reports filed by Canadian Utilities with the Canadian Securities Regulators. And finally, I'd also like to point out that during this presentation, we may refer to certain non GAAP measures such as adjusted earnings, adjusted earnings per share, funds generated by operations and capital investment. These measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS, and as a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented in other entities.

And now, I'll turn the call over to Dennis for his opening remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Myles, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all very much for joining us today on our Q4 2019 conference call. Canadian Utilities achieved adjusted earnings of $608,000,000 in 2019 compared to $607,000,000 in 2018. Our strong performance in 2019 was mainly the result of continued cost improvements across the company, ongoing capital investment and utility rate base growth and positive regulatory decisions. 2 additional hydrocarbon storage caverns became operational in the Q2 of 2018 and provided a full year of earnings in 2019.

Additional earnings also resulted from regulatory rate decisions in both the electricity transmission and the natural gas transmission businesses. Maintaining stable year over year earnings was quite an achievement considering that 20 eighteen's adjusted earnings included $35,000,000 in earnings associated with the Alberta Balancing Pool's termination of the Battle River Unit 5 PPA. We also recorded $12,000,000 in earnings in 2018 due to an early energization incentive for completing construction ahead of schedule on Alberta PowerLine. While those were good financial outcomes in 2018, they also set us up for quite a challenge in 2019 to close that earnings gap. Due to the great work of our people in 2019, not only did we close that earnings gap, we recorded ever so slightly higher earnings in 2019 compared to last year.

We also completed 2 notable asset dispositions in 2019. In September, we sold our Canadian fossil fuel based electricity generation business. And in December, we completed the sale of our 80% interest in Alberta PowerLine. We made the decision to sell the generation business and our ownership business sorry, our ownership interest in Alberta PowerLine in 2019 for different business reasons, but the overall strategic rationale is the same. We are increasingly focused on global prospects for growth As we seek strategic opportunities to expand our global portfolio of utility and energy infrastructure investments and services, we continuously review our holdings to look for opportunities to monetize assets and increase our capacity for growth.

These 2019 sale transactions significantly improve our overall financial strength. Our many years of success as a financially secure and stable utility and energy infrastructure company is a result of our disciplined and prudent capital investment in utility and utility like assets with regulated or long term contracted earnings. We will continue to look for opportunities for similar investments and complementary services outside of Alberta with a particular focus on North America, Latin America and Australia. Maintaining our patient approach to long term shareowner value creation has been Canadian Utilities' hallmark for many years. We'll look for the right investment with the right strategic fit and at the right price.

In the meantime, we continue to build our portfolio of utility and long term contracted energy infrastructure assets. Our 2020 capital plans, including investing more than $1,000,000,000 in our 5 regulated utilities and in long term contracted capital assets, We are already busy on several of those projects in 2020. We commenced construction on the Pembina Quipo's natural gas transmission pipeline in the Q4 of 2019. The 59 kilometre high pressure natural gas pipeline supports the coal to gas conversion of power producers in the Genesee and surrounding areas of Alberta. The estimated cost to construct this natural gas pipeline is approximately $230,000,000 and is expected to be complete in mid-twenty 20.

We secured long term contracts and commenced construction for a 5th Salt 2019 with full operation targeted for late 2021. We also entered into a partnership with a Chilean developer to build and operate an 18 Megawatt solar project located in Southern Chile. The total investment in this project is predominantly sorry, approximately $24,000,000 with an expected completion in 2021. With these projects and others, our plans for continued utility and energy infrastructure investments are already well underway in 2020. In January, we declared a Q1 2020 dividend with a 3% increase over the dividends paid in 2019.

Canadian Utilities has increased its dividend per share for 48 consecutive years, the longest track record of annual dividend increases of any publicly traded company. We're very proud of our track record of dividend increases. It was a prudent choice to adjust the size of our dividend increase to be in line with our sustainable earnings growth, which is linked to growth from our regulated and long term contracted investments. Over the next 3 years, our expected rate base growth is about 3% per year. Going forward, Canadian Utilities' strong stable foundation of regulated utility and long term contracted energy infrastructure investments and services will provide platform to continue our long track record of exceptional returns for our shareowners.

That concludes my prepared remarks. And I'll now turn the call back over to Miles.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dennis. And we'll turn the call over to the conference coordinator now for your questions.

Speaker 1

We will now begin the question and answer session. On the Submit Question tab near the top of the webcast frame and type their question. The Canadian Utilities Investor Relations Our very first question comes from Linda Ezergailis with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. I'm wondering if you could maybe give us some more context about how you're thinking of the probability and timing of putting your sale proceeds to use. What are you seeing in terms of the current environment, relative attractiveness of various geographies, types of investments? And at what point would you consider alternative uses of proceeds including potentially share buybacks or special dividends?

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good morning, Linda.

Speaker 4

Good morning.

Speaker 3

In terms of our strategy for redeploying the capital, I mean, we are staying the course with what we've communicated in the past. Our core strength is really managing operating regulated utility assets. So we've achieved, as you know, top tier results under all different regulatory regimes to bring value to our share owners. We're, I'll say, continually assessing our investment portfolio. Asset sales that we did make, as I mentioned in our opening comments, were the right decision, increased the financial strength.

If you put that together with the target markets that we mentioned, North America, ex Alberta, Latin America and Australia, there are opportunities in, I'll say, the kind of greenfield developments in Australia. There are utility opportunities in the rest of North America that we're continuing to look at. South America, we are developing, albeit at a slower pace on some of our greenfield developments, like our Chilean solar project. I'm going to say there's nothing imminent right now on the redeploying that cash. Mentioned that we are looking for the right asset in the right geography at the right price.

In terms of alternate uses, right now, our cash on the balance sheet does help our credit metrics as our FFO to debt is in a net debt after you subtract the cash. So that does help us on the credit metrics side and gives us optionality. So while we are focused on growing the business within Canadian Utilities, there and we diligently pursue those. There's never say never down the road. We could look at a special dividend and we did one in the mid-2000s and buybacks as well.

But right now, the focus is on growing the company. So that's our in essence, our plans. I think I've addressed your 4 bullet.

Speaker 4

Sorry, I guess my follow-up question might have a few bullets as well if you want to call it that. So on the flip side, you are focusing on growth, but criteria for considering on the edges partial or full asset sales? Would it be if you found a supersized opportunity to raise proceeds? Would it be maybe because you could surface value and clearly these assets would be valued more highly with maybe private money or some other strategic operator or maybe would ESG considerations influence as well how you look at optimizing your portfolio of assets and businesses?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, we continue to look at our portfolio in terms of value to us versus value to other and how it's performing and it's a long term fit into our strategic plans. So we, like many businesses, continue to review that. So asset further asset sales, I guess, could be a potential. In terms of looking for supersizing a deal, I mean, we have partnered and check size or increase the target size, same check size for us in terms of potential targets.

You mentioned the S and G considerations. I mean, with the disposition of our generation business, that our carbon dioxide emissions are down pretty much to nothing, I'm going to say, through our generation. We're at the point now where our Old Man River hydro dam that we retained from the disposition generates enough electricity to power all of our Alberta businesses. So in terms of ES and G bonuses and pluses, that is a factor that we look at, although that was not the primary reason for the Generation sales to look for longer term contracted earnings and the earnings for Generation will be becoming increasingly merchant.

Speaker 4

That's helpful. Thank you. I'll jump back in the queue.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Linda.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Maurice Choe with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks and good morning. I guess my first question is really a follow-up to the previous topic about capital deployment. You mentioned obviously disposition of power projects as one of the things to consider when it comes to ESG. But taking that step further, as you think of gas versus electricity utilities And do you not the same, obviously, you have gas utilities in Alberta. As you think about the next dollar that you want to invest, do you have a preference of 1 over the other?

Speaker 3

Probably. We would probably prefer electricity over gas. That's not to say that gas isn't viable in the long term. We are innovating with hydrogen down in Australia. We have opened our clean energy innovation hub at our operations in Perth, whereby we're creating green hydrogen, running a fuel cell off of that hydrogen, injecting of the hydrogen into our gas lines to further kind of promote the usefulness of natural gas as a fuel in the future.

Electricity with the electrification of everything, we believe that there's a great future there, maybe not the electricity that we've seen in the previous few decades as more distributed systems come online. So we're the next dollar, as you put it, we will look at electricity and gas, all else being equal, which they never are, we would probably lean to electricity.

Speaker 5

Thanks. And then the second question is more about this quarter or this year in whether or not you believe some of the out performances will continue moving forward?

Speaker 3

Sure. Our 2 distribution companies that are governed by performance based regulation, their financial returns on equity, we don't have the utility returns yet. Their financial returns are about 350 basis 350 basis points above the approved return. Our 2 cost of service utilities, the gas and electricity transmissions, their ROEs, financial ROEs are about 10.75% on average, which is compared to the 8.5% approved return, that's north of a couple of 100 basis points outperformance. We on the PBR companies, we view those earnings as entirely sustainable.

We are in 2019 finished year 2 of the 5 year term of the 2nd generation of PBR. So we are well underway of kind of lowering our run rate and our costs so that we will be able to achieve the returns for the share owner over the PBR term. And just like in when we came off of PBR1 into PBR2, that benefited our customers by having a great rate decrease as we reset from PBR1 into PBR2. All the while during this PBR period, our customers are experiencing, say, rate increases at lower than inflation. So we'll say that PBR model is continuing to deliver the intended results for both our customers and for our share owners.

Off to service utilities, they've been steady in their outperformance of the approved returns. That being said, there are there's kind of more variability in those transmission cost to service companies as they go in and out of shorter 2 or 3 year terms for their rates.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Marisa.

Speaker 1

Sorry, go ahead. Our next question comes from Mark Jarvi with CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Maybe I just want to start on there's some commentary in the MD and A about reassessment of anomaly adjustments. I'm just wondering what that could mean for the PBR regulated utilities in Alberta?

Speaker 3

Reassessment of anomaly adjustments. So this sorry, good morning, Mark. The AUC went back and reviewed what they had previously identified as their 5 criterion for identifying as an anomaly by which rates would be adjusted moving from PBR1 into PBR2. They've, say, essentially scrapped those criterion and have put it up for kind of an ad hoc, you make an application if you believe that an anomaly has been hit. That being said, they have come out to say the past performance, the overall performance of the utility companies, they don't believe would adjust would make it as an anomaly.

The AUC doesn't expect there to be many anomalies and it is on the utilities and the customer groups to apply for anomalies. And this would be going back and reaching back adjusting rates back to January 1, 2018. So there would be a cumulative impact should any anomalies be approved. We've applied for an anomaly to increase our increase the rates due to the inflation factor. We know of one customer group that has indicated that they will be applying for an anomaly.

We don't know what that application will be, but that process is intended to roll out over the remainder of this year. So I sure as heck hope we got final rates for 2018 by the end of this year. So that's the largest kind of potential retrospective reach that we have hanging out on our companies.

Speaker 6

And could you quantify it at all, Dennis, in terms of what it could be impact on retroactive and then you did on the go forward?

Speaker 3

I think that I'll have to follow-up. Maybe you could follow-up offline with Miles because I don't want to give you a wrong number, Mark.

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 3

Fair enough. It is in the millions.

Speaker 6

Okay. I wanted to maybe pick up on the comment you made about the cash being on the balance sheet and being credit positive. Just curious, you've seen Hydro One come to market this week with really low rates and the markets are right now. How do you guys think about the debt financing markets and where you are at the balance sheet? And does the current rates you're seeing out there change of when you come to market and maybe lock in at this lower rate for longer?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, as looking at those the rates the other day with long Canada is at whatever 1.3% and if you roll in our spread right now, it could be between 130 and 140 basis points would make for, I'll say, an even lower than our 2 0.96% issuance that we had from last year. We generally have been issuing later on in the year once we get kind of a firmer bead on our capital programs. With the current environment right now, I don't we continually monitor it. I don't think that there's going to be a large uptick in the near future, but we continue to monitor it.

As you know, we've been a traditional 3rd, Q4 issuer. But yes, those rates are appealing and they caught my eye.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Patrick Kenny with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes, good morning guys. Dennis, just on the 3% dividend increase versus ATCO at 7.5%, I guess, You mentioned the 3% rate based growth profile, but I was just curious what opportunities you might be pursuing to augment CU's dividend growth rate so that it converges closer to Natco's over the coming years?

Speaker 3

I mean, there was more there was that convergence and now there's more of a divergence as the we'll say the payout ratio in Canadian Utilities is in line with our peers. If you take a look at ATCO's payout ratio, there's more room given that utilities right now is a large component for ATCO's base. So just given to ATCO's in the 50s, the percentage in terms of payout ratio and CU is in the 70s. So until something changes between ATCO that's not in CU or sorry, in CU that's not in ATCO, there's not going to be, I'd say, kind of a realignment of those dividend increases given the our long term sustainable growth rate that we're seeing in CU.

Speaker 7

Makes sense. And then on the flip side, I guess, with AUC considering a return to formula based generic cost of capital approach, how much downside to the 8.5% base ROE do you think you could absorb without impacting that 3% dividend growth rate?

Speaker 3

In the GCOC proceeding, nobody, not utilities nor customer groups, have advocated a return to a formula going forward. The AEC put it out there and given the current environment, nobody has proffered evidence that a return to a formula would be good for all stakeholders. So I suspect that's kind of chilled a little bit in the AUC's, I'll say, quest for regulatory efficiency. We can just dispense with GCOCs and Volcker Formula. So that doesn't seem like that would be the case.

We're at 8.5% return on 37% equity thickness. And the when you look at fair return standard, 2 of the elements of the 3 legged stool, comparable investments and capital traction are not being met in our view with that 8.5% on 37%. The approved ROEs elsewhere in Canada are an average of 9.2% on 43% equity. So we are that's kind of like the backbone for our submission of 10% on 40% equity thickness. Or we have an alternative in there if the AEC doesn't want to increase the equity thickness, leave it at 37%, then we'd be applying for a 10.5% return.

So that's my pitch for returns should go up, not down. At 37% equity, every 100 basis points change from that impacts Canadian utilities by $40,000,000 $45,000,000 per year. So that's in earnings and cash. So if you look at 600 or without generation and Alberta PowerLine, future earnings, if you back that out, you're in, call it, the $500,000,000 to $550,000,000 range. That $30,000,000 sorry, that $40,000,000 is a good hunk of growth.

Those are our considerations and how we what the impact of that GCOC would be. And again, that's not effective until 2021.

Speaker 7

Right. Got it. Okay. And then just last one for me here. Given the current sell off in commodities, you mentioned ESG considerations weighing in on your capital redeployment strategy.

Any chance you could clarify which geographies, industries or even counterparties are now off the table given the your strategy around ESG?

Speaker 3

I mentioned ESG. The primary component for our generation was the kind of long term versus merchant earnings that was being driven by our generation portfolio. ES and G was a factor, but it wasn't the driving factor in the decision. If you take a look at geographies, targets with a heavy ESG component, we would think hard about investing in coal. We could do coal if there is a path like we were on with our former generation business to convert it to cleaner fired natural gas.

That being said, given where sentiment is and the investors, we would consider that in our targets. But I don't think anything is completely off the table right now. So like as I say, we could do coal and convert. But that's about it.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. That's very helpful. Thanks again.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Pat.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Najeeb Baydon with Industrial Alliance Securities. Please go

Speaker 8

ahead. Hi, good morning. Just one question for me. Wondering if you can talk about your Chilean investment in solar and if there are any potential follow on investments with that partner in the same region or in South America?

Speaker 3

Thanks for the question. I mean, it's a small project. It gets us into the market, gets us into the renewable market. It isn't contracted, it's merchant. That being said, the generation from that solar project is feeds into kind of a stabilized price mechanism whereby we the proceeds we receive on sales is equivalent to kind of like the current PPA contracts that are in the market.

It's going to be developed over the next couple of years at I can't remember the cost, dollars 24,000,000 about $24,000,000 for the cost. So small project, and we're in a partnership with the developer, so there's other opportunities there and we're continuing to look at. As I mentioned before, Latin America is one of our target markets. So we are looking there as well as in North America and Australia.

Speaker 8

Thanks. That's helpful. I'm just wondering if you can add a bit more color on what the scope of the scale of those additional investments in renewables look like?

Speaker 3

It will depend on the opportunity. I mean, we recently completed north of a $100,000,000 deal for 35 Megawatt Hydro Plant in Mexico. So that gives you a little bit of an idea as to in the tens of millions into the 100 of millions, there's other continue to invest in our existing utilities. We're continuing to look for M and A activity for other utilities and greenfield developments for probably kind of more on the renewable side. So we're looking at all of those aspects given where we are with our current financial strength.

Thank you.

Speaker 1

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Myles Dougan for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Well, thanks Anastasia, and thank you all for participating this morning. We appreciate your interest in Canadian Utilities, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Bye for now.

Speaker 1

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect

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