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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

Apr 25, 2019

Speaker 1

Welcome to the Canadian Utilities Limited First Quarter 2019 Results Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Myles Dougan, Senior Manager, Investor Relations.

Please go ahead, Mr. Dougan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Claudia. Good morning, everyone. We're pleased you could join us for our Q1 2019 conference call. With me today are Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dennis DeChamplain Senior Financial Officer and Controller, Derek Cook and Vice President, Finance and Risk, Katie Patrick. Dennis will begin today with some opening comments on our financial results and recent company developments.

Following his prepared remarks, we will take questions from the investment community. Please note that a replay of the conference call and a transcript will be available on our website at canadianutilities.com and can be found in the Investors section under the heading Events and Presentations. I'd like to remind you all that our remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reports filed by Canadian Utilities with Canadian Securities Regulators. And finally, I'd also like to point out that during this presentation, we may refer to certain non GAAP measures, such as adjusted earnings, adjusted earnings per share, funds generated by operations and capital investment.

These measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS and as a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented in other entities. Now I'll turn the call over to our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Dennis DeChamplain, for his opening remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Myles, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us today on our Q1 2019 conference call. Canadian Utilities announced higher adjusted earnings in the Q1 of 2019 of $200,000,000 or $0.73 per share compared to $181,000,000 or $0.67 per share in the Q1 of 2018. This $19,000,000 growth in the Q1 earnings over 20 eighteen was due to continued investment in our utilities, strong financial results from our Alberta Electricity Generation Business and ongoing cost efficiencies achieved in the electricity distribution and natural gas distribution utilities. Stronger power prices in Alberta drove higher earnings in our electricity generation business this quarter.

The average Alberta power pool electricity price for the Q1 of 2019 was $69 per megawatt hour or nearly $35 per megawatt hour higher compared to the Q1 of 2018. The increase was mainly due to two factors. The first factor was near record low temperatures in February, which increased electricity demand. The second factor was lower available electricity generation capacity due to coal fired generation outages and low wind generation. In March, we completed the construction and energization of our Alberta PowerLine project.

This tremendous achievement involved many people, including communities and indigenous peoples. The success of this 500 kilometer electricity transmission line construction project would not have been possible without their support. The earnings contribution from Alberta PowerLine, or APL was lower this quarter than Q1 2018 due to the lower capital investment needed to complete the final stages of this project, but bringing the project in service a full 3 months early allowed us to record earnings for the remainder of the early energization incentives. Last quarter, we told you that we had commenced a strategic review of our 80% ownership in APL. As part of this process, Canadian Utilities is providing an opportunity for indigenous communities along the route to obtain an equity interest in APL.

We intend to remain as the operator of APL over the 35 year concession arrangement. As you know, in September of last year, we announced that we are exploring strategic alternatives for our Canadian electricity generation business. We are working through both of these strategic reviews now. While I had hoped to have an update for you this quarter, we are not quite at the decision stage and therefore have no update to report at this time. On the utility side of our company, we generated higher earnings this quarter mainly due to ongoing rate base growth and cost efficiencies achieved, particularly in the natural gas distribution and electricity distribution utilities.

Earnings from the utilities were up $7,000,000 in the first quarter of 2019 compared to last year, but they could have been even higher than that. Our natural gas transmission electricity transmission utilities are awaiting final rate decisions from the Alberta Utilities Commission or AUC. If the AUC approves all aspects of our 2 rate applications, the potential increase to Q1 2019 adjusted earnings could have been approximately $8,000,000 We expect those two rate decisions in mid-twenty 19, hopefully in time to record next quarter. We will record the impact on our earnings when we receive the decisions. We also had an inflation adjustment that brought down the Australia results this quarter.

We think the way this inflation calculation works in the Australian regulatory model will not be a continuing issue as we move through 2019, but it did produce a reduction in earnings this quarter. On our last quarterly conference call at the end of February, I told you that the AUC had just released a decision on the first phase of the reopener provision for the 2013 to 2017 PBR term. The AUC determined that the 2013 to 2017 PBR plan will not be reopened. This decision agreed with our submission that the achievements of the utilities were not due to a flaw in the PVR plan, but rather were the result of management decisions responding to the incentives the PBR plan created. This process is now closed and we're very pleased with the decision.

In Australia, our natural gas distribution business continued work on the next 5 year regulatory access arrangement. The regulator is expected to deliver a final decision in late Q3 of this year. There are still many aspects of the next access arrangement to resolve, so the total impact to earnings isn't known yet, but we will keep you apprised as the regulatory process develops. We have a few more regulatory updates in our MD and A, but they are all for proceedings underway with no major decisions impacting this past quarter. But we do expect decisions on a couple of them in the Q2.

If you have questions about those proceedings, I'll be happy to answer them in a moment. All in all, Canadian Utilities had a very good Q1 of 2019. We achieved strong earnings growth this quarter and completed the very large Alberta PowerLine project on budget and ahead of schedule. That concludes my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back to Myles.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dennis. I'll turn the call over now to the conference coordinator for your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. In the interest of time, we ask you to limit yourself to 2 questions. If you have additional questions, you're welcome to rejoin the The Canadian Utilities Investor Relations team Our first question comes from Linda Edergailis with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. I have some questions about your ATCO Gas Australia access arrangement. Can you maybe help us understand a little bit the dynamics related to the adjustment in the quarter and how the balance of the year will look visavis, I guess, the prior quarter and the prior year or why this was just temporal and one time in nature?

Speaker 3

Sure, Linda. Thanks and good morning. Just wanted to point out at the outset, the adjustment for our Q1 earnings for Gas Australia doesn't have anything to do with our next access arrangement, the AA5. So they are completely separate issues. In the Q1 of 20 19, as you see, there's a $6,000,000 drop year over year from Gas Australia.

And in Australia, the regulatory compact there is essentially governed on a real return basis. And we need to translate that to nominal dollars for our adjusted earnings and U. S. GAAP purposes. Part of that translation involves adding an inflation amount to our rate of return calculations.

In Q1 2019, the Australian CPI was 0%, whereas in Q1 2018, it was about 45 basis points. So the decrease of 45 basis points on a $1,200,000,000 rate base roughly accounts for that $6,000,000 drop in the year over year earnings that you see. Going forward, we do not expect Australian CPI to be flat for the remainder of the year. Our business plans and forecast, we had baked in about a 1.8% increase in inflation, and that is the amounts that we were expecting. We do expect CPI to be north of 0 in the future quarters.

And that's why we're saying that we don't expect that to continue.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then just maybe with respect to the draft AA5 decision, do you plan to submit a response? And what is your kind of initial reaction and read on that decision?

Speaker 3

Yes. We do plan on submitting a response. The process down under is different than what we experience here in Alberta for the rest of our utilities. In Alberta, as you know, the AUC and interveners will ask their, I call it, 1,000 questions, and we respond. And then at the end of the discovery process, the AUC will come out with its final decision.

In Australia, the regulatory authority there engages a consultant. They come in, they look at our application and the regulator comes out with a draft decision, which we received in April. We have 6 weeks to respond. So that's part of the, I'll call it, the discovery process down under that we don't have here in Alberta. We have 6 weeks to respond in the draft decision.

Some of the comments by the regulator there invited us to comment further on the initial position that the draft has outlined. The draft decision, it does take a significant cut in our growth capital and associated revenues, which we don't think is appropriate, and we are kind of responding as such. There's some reductions in our operating costs and again we're using the 6 week time period to augment our evidence that we put back to the regulator. After we respond in early June, other parties will have, I think it's about 4 weeks to respond to our filings on the draft decisions. And if there is if we feel the need to kind of reply to what's been said by customers in their July period, then we will have an opportunity to kind of put in a reply or a rebuttal or additional evidence.

So that's the process that it goes through. Decision is kind of scheduled for September. So absent any process delays and we usually see process delays in our regulatory proceedings, we should be able to have a decision in the Q3 and we'll be able to update you at the end of the second quarter as we get through this next, call it, 6 to 10 weeks in the process.

Speaker 4

That's helpful context. Thank you. And maybe just moving back to Alberta. There's been a recent change in the provincial government. Can you comment on how this might change anything for your company in terms of your approach to, I guess, your whole franchise there, but most specifically, the outlook for the merchant power markets and what you might be advocating on that front?

Speaker 3

In terms of the outcome of the election, I guess we'll say that we are pleased with the outcome. The incoming government seems to have a grasp of the economic issues facing our province, and we look forward to working with them on the files. In specific regards to the generation and capacity market, I think the UCP in their election platforms that they will have a, I think it's a 90 day consultation period with industry. We intend to participate in that consultation period and let our thoughts be known. We do think that an energy only market has not served the test of time very well.

And if you look at all the other jurisdictions that implemented them and moved away from them, So we will be expressing our views with government and other industry participants as the government works through their process.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from Mark Jarvi with CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning. There's some commentary in the MD and A around filings for PBR2 on anomaly adjustment for going in rates. Can you provide a bit more context on that and what it could mean?

Speaker 3

Sure. Good morning, Mark. When the AUC came out with their decision on the going in rates for PBR2, they laid out a set of 5 criterion, which was essentially impossible to qualify as an anomaly. Some of the other companies R and V'd that decision and the AUC accepted that R and V and they're going through it. We launched we, I guess, became part of that R and V as well because the AUC noted that our costs that we're applying for recovery associated with our information technology would be a placeholder pending the outcome of our IT proceeding.

And we don't believe that is legitimate under the PBR framework with regards to, we'll call it cherry picking for lack of a better word of adjusting some elements, but not all. The approach on anomalies, they're going through to see if those going in rates for 2018. And if you look at the operating costs, that was based on the lowest of the 1st 4 years. And for both of our distribution utilities, it was 2016. So we'll be looking at what could be considered one off or anomalous factors in the results in 2016 and they might look at 2017 as well.

I think the AUC said maybe we should be looking at 20 17 to see if there's any anomalies there that could qualify. So they're going through that process now and R and Versus are generally harder to forecast the timing outcome of. The AEC tries to stick to a kind of rendering a decision 90 days after all the evidence is filed. That R and V process all the timelines haven't been laid out, finalized yet. And then they don't AAC doesn't hold themselves bound by that 90 day decision internal rule.

So we don't know when we would get a decision on that.

Speaker 5

So based on initial discussions and discovery, do you anticipate there being a retroactive serve adjustment and directionally which way might it go?

Speaker 3

Yes, they do come back. There would be an impact to 2018 rates, which would be the 100 percent retroactive impact, and also for the 1st couple of quarters or for who knows how far going into 2019. And sorry, Mark, I'm

Speaker 5

Just where you guys think in terms of where the discovery and where initial discussions, which direction it might head in your favor?

Speaker 3

Yes. It could be different for each of the utilities. The AUC seems to be trying to put all of the distribution utilities on the same footing. So depending on how those new or revised or even if there is any change to the criteria to qualify as an anomaly, it could impact the various distribution utilities. We could go up, somebody else could go down or vice versa.

So we'll have to we'll really have to see how that plays out kind of on an industry wide basis.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then going back to Linda's question on the change in the ruling party and with the strategic review of the power assets, how has the election or the change in government impacted that process or maybe it's had no impact. Any comments on that?

Speaker 3

I think we've had that question before. I mean that the outcome of the election does not have very much of a bearing at all on our strategic reviews. We're continuing along our path with that.

Speaker 5

Okay, thanks.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from Robert Kwan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning. Just with respect to the strategic reviews for those two assets, I'm just wondering, are you approaching it as an either or for those two reviews? Or could it be both? And then I guess in addressing the last question around the Alberta government, just to be clear, the capacity market framework review has no bearing on your decision on the Canadian power side. And then as it relates to PowerLine, is the indigenous investment really the scope of what you're looking at from a strategic review?

Or is there a potential kind of second or follow on step?

Speaker 3

Okay, Robert. That's Part A, B and C to your questions. I think part A was, are the Alberta PowerLine and Generation Business, are they independent or combined, could we do 1 or both? And I guess the answer is we are doing both strategic reviews. I mean the outcomes of those strategic reviews could be 0 transactions, 1 transaction or 2 transactions as we work through them.

We don't view it as kind of an either or. We're looking at each of those strategic reviews on its own merits. And I don't have Part B of your question, so I'm going to flip to Part C with regards to the indigenous communities along the line. I think we've said before, we're going through that process and we are approaching it that we could sell kind of up to our entire 80% interest in Alberta PowerLine. So to the extent that it's available to the indigenous communities or independent third parties, we are looking at all of those options with a view to potentially completely exiting our ownership percentage of APL, bearing in mind that our electricity transmission division will continue to have the contract to operate that line over the 35 year concession arrangement.

Speaker 6

Got it. The main question was

Speaker 3

Was the capacity market question?

Speaker 6

Yes. Well, just to confirm when you were saying that the government change doesn't have a real bearing on the Canadian power sale, just as that extension, the timing isn't tied to seeing how this capacity market kind of plays out?

Speaker 3

No, it's not.

Speaker 6

Okay. If I can just finish with coming to regulatory, you've got the direct assigned transmission filing in the Hanna recovery. Just want to be clear with the accounting treatment given you're under IFRS without the regulatory assets. So are you booking you're booking this, the returns into earnings under your adjusted earnings calculation. Is that correct?

And really what you're looking at here is recovering the cash?

Speaker 3

Yes. So those Hanna assets have been kind of essentially in service since 2012. So we have been including in our rate base and in our earnings depreciation call like a return on and return of capital since 2012. To the extent that there would be, we'll call it a capital disallowance, what we do for accounting purposes is we reduce we don't write off the value of those assets from our property, plant and equipment on our balance sheet. We reduce the rate base going forward that we charge to customers, thereby instead of earning an 8.5% return, it would be an 8.49% effective return on our entire assets.

The impact of that of the Hammett decision though in Q2, we if there would be a capital disallowance, which we don't think there's grounds for, we would need to set up like a refund to customers for the amount of earnings and depreciation that we've recorded over those 6, 7 years since those assets have been in service. So there could be a one time hit to our results in Q2 only because it goes back so far and we'll call it a retrospective clawback from our rate base.

Speaker 6

Okay. So just so I'm clear though, when you're talking about the one time hit, are you talking about the IFRS reporting? Or are you talking about your adjusted earnings, which are effectively U. S. GAAP equivalent?

Speaker 3

The adjusted earnings component.

Speaker 6

Okay. And so ultimately, if everything goes as planned, there really is no change to how you book adjusted earnings. But is this proceeding really then about recovering the cash?

Speaker 3

Well, we have been recovering the cash associated with those assets because they have been included in our rates on an interim basis pending the results of this decision. And even after we get this decision, it may still be on an interim basis pending the AUC's review of the transmission inquiry for the utilization of transmission assets, which they announced probably almost 2 years ago now, but has gone radio silent with regards to when and how they intended to proceed with that review. I think we saw that in AltaLink where even on their, we'll call it a final direct assigned decision, the results were still interim pending that results of that transmission utilization proceeding. So, I don't know if that would happen to us as well on HANA. I suspect we'll be afforded the same treatment.

Speaker 6

Got it. Okay. Thank you, Dennis.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Robert.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from Patrick Kenny with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. Just first on the quarter, was any of the financial performance driven by colder temperatures? And if so, how much of the earnings uplift could we back out if we assumed more normalized weather?

Speaker 3

Yes. The colder weather, we didn't see it impacting our gas distribution utility too, too much. There are factors in there that kind of normalize for colder weather. I think on the gas distribution, we may see an earnings uptick if it's cold and windy. And I know you're in Calgary, so that that is essentially kind of baked into that normalization for our gas distribution.

I mean, the cold weather though did impact the power prices, most notably in February when it averaged about 20 below here in Alberta. So there is that uptick in the prices that we realized on our generation business. And to the extent that I can bifurcate it between colder temperature and lower generation capacity, I don't have that information. I don't know if the guys have somewhere deep in the bowels as to what percent would be temperature versus supply, we'll call it.

Speaker 7

No, that's all good. Thanks for that color. We'll take the extended ski season anyway. Back on the discussion around the UCP and thinking about their cutting the red tape mandate, does this change the narrative at all for CU from a capital allocation standpoint? Does this bring Alberta more in line with your other international jurisdictions just from a competitive standpoint?

And maybe you can comment on whether or not there's anything in the UCP's platform that you can point to that might represent some upside potential to your CapEx budget or rate base outlook?

Speaker 3

Yes, the first item with regards to red tape, and I could just feel my temperature rise a little bit as we even start to talk about it, especially in light of the previous conversation we had about HANA and having 2012. So you think about red tape, you look at our last deferral application that we filed that included EDEL. I think the opening salvo was some 28,000 pages Alta Links proceeding. It topped out at over 200,000 pages and multi years' worth of retrospective impact. We also talked earlier on the call about 2018 going in rates for our PBR utilities still not still aren't final because we have this pending R and D.

So to have that overhang and uncertainty facing us is inordinate, in my view. You put that beside the Australia access arrangement process where it's a different process, but we will get final rates in advance of the test year. We worked with the consultant, but there were 57 questions that we got asked on our application, and it's just a thorough review. So when you think about red tape and if you want some low hanging fruit, let's go after these regulatory and permitting procedures. We still don't have a permit to is 100% backed by customers.

It's ludicrous the amount of the hoops that we have to jump through in order to conduct business in the province here. So we may have some things to say on the red tape file. Do we think that the UCP platform will help kind of our growth prospects and rate base going forward? Yes, we do. Is that going to materially impact this year's or next year's results?

That would be tough as to some of the permitting aside. We still need to go through adequate consultation and make sure the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed. But it would be difficult to get kind of I think new investment applied for sanctioned and shovel ready where we would expect a material change in our immediate near term outlook for our CapEx here in Alberta.

Speaker 7

Okay. That's great, Dennis. I appreciate those comments.

Speaker 3

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Speaker 1

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Myles Dougan for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Claudia, and thank you all for participating today. We really appreciate your interest in Canadian Utilities, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Bye bye.

Speaker 1

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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