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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

May 14, 2024

Operator

Good morning. My name is Ina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Dye & Durham third quarter fiscal 2024 earnings call. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Huss Hirji, VP Investor Relations of Dye & Durham. Mr. Hirji, you may begin your conference.

Husayn Hirji
VP of Investor Relations, Dye & Durham

Thank you, operator, and good morning. Welcome to the Dye & Durham conference call. Before we start, we'd like to remind you that all amounts discussed on this call are denominated in Canadian dollars, unless otherwise indicated. Please note that the statements made during this call may include forward-looking statements and information and future-oriented financial information regarding Dye & Durham and its business, and disclosure regarding possible events, conditions, or results that are based on information currently available to management, which include management's expectation of future growth, results of operations, business performance, business prospects, and opportunities. Such statements are made as of this date hereof, and Dye & Durham assumes no obligation to update or revise them to reflect events, disclosures, circumstances, except as required by applicable securities laws. Such statements involve significant risks and uncertainties and are not a guarantee of future performance or results.

A number of these risks or uncertainties could cause results to differ materially from the results discussed today. Given these risks and uncertainties, one should not place undue reliance on these statements and information. Please refer to the forward-looking statements and information and future-oriented financial information section of our public filings, without limitation, our MD&A, and our earnings press release issued today for additional information. Joining us on the call today are Matt Proud, Dye & Durham Chief Executive Officer, and Frank Di Liso, Dye & Durham, Chief Financial Officer. A question and answer session will follow the formal remarks for research analysts. I'll now turn over the call to Matt for opening remarks.

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Thanks, Huss, and appreciate the, the introduction. Over the last couple of years, Dye & Durham's transformed into one of the largest legal technology software companies in the world. As we continue to build a business of scale, our customers remain at the core of every decision we make as a company, and this is evident given the stickiness of our customer base, who truly depend on our products daily. Our software is primarily targeted at solving the problems faced by small and medium-sized law firms. In particular, our practice management applications act as a central operating system for law firms, providing them everything they need to run their practice, from intake to invoice and truly everything in between.

Our data and insight software seamlessly enables law firms to help their clients assess risk and make informed decisions on any given transaction that a law firm would likely be involved in. The legal services market is an extremely attractive market, in which Dye & Durham is well-positioned to capture global market share in this fast-growing and highly fragmented market. This is a market that's forecasted to almost double in the next six years. This afternoon, we reported our third quarter fiscal 2024 results. The results continue to demonstrate the strength of our business and attractiveness to the legal technology market that I just mentioned. Our revenue for the three months ending March 31st, 2024, was CAD 107 million, representing a 16% increase in revenue versus the same period last year, when factoring in last summer's divestiture of the TM Group business.

Recently, we've made significant investments into our product offering and go-to-market strategy. This has been targeted at transitioning the business model away from more legacy, single-point solution, product-based relationship to a holistic, modern, SaaS-based, product-based relationship involving bundling products from different platforms together under a single technology platform. At the core of this is the Unity Global platform. The Unity Global platform brings together all the tools a small or medium-sized business law firm requires to run their practice, saving our customers time and money and providing real operational cost efficiencies, as well as access to the latest technologies in the market, including generative AI. The results of our investments speak for themselves. For the three months ending March 31st, 2024, ARR was CAD 126 million, which represents an 85% year-over-year growth.

Additionally, compared to the previous three months, ended December 31st, 2023, i.e., last quarter, ARR grew by 12% in one quarter alone. We'd targeted to have ARR make up 30% of our revenue by June 30th, 2024. That means as of March 31st, we'd achieved that target ahead of plan, and we're still on target to achieve 50% of our revenue being ARR just over—in just over 24 months. As many of you know, the current quarter we are in is traditionally the strongest quarter for our business. That's Q4, and we have a June 30th year-end. However, we're excited more than usual by the very strong momentum we're seeing in the current quarters. As a result, we believe we're setting up for one of the best quarters on record.

The key drivers behind this performance include, first, the large updraft in ARR that we're driving. I just mentioned the trajectory. Second, really strong transactional revenue, primarily coming from property conveyancing and related due diligence, being carried out in our applications. This is, of course, due to recovery in domestic and global real estate markets. We continue to make investments and drive strong revenue performance, while at the same time remaining disciplined around cost. Rather than embarking on large-scale cost-cutting campaigns. As you would have seen other technology companies undertake in recent days, we believe that consistent attention when it comes to managing costs is a much more healthy and effective way of managing our business. This minimum velocity is reflected in our adjusted EBITDA performance.

We generated Adjusted EBITDA of CAD 60 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2024, an increase of 11% compared to the same period last year, taking into consideration the selling of TMG. Financial flexibility and a strengthened balance sheet remain a key priority for us at Dye & Durham. In this regard, in April, we completed a series of refinancing transactions with CAD 1.2 billion, which strengthened our balance sheet and improved our capital stack, while lowering our expected cash interest payments by approximately CAD 20 million a year next fiscal year on a like-for-like basis. Prior to the positive impact of the refinancing, cash from operations in the quarter was up 26% versus fiscal 2023, and adjusted EPS was up 36%. Additionally, this afternoon, we also announced a CAD 185 million substantial issuer bid to retire remaining 2026 convertible debentures.

As we scale our business, it is important to us to continue to work on deleveraging the business and bring our net debt to approximately 4x Adjusted EBITDA or less. What truly excites me is how we're thinking about the business going forward, positioning the company to outperform based on a superior product offering. Additionally, we're committed to acting in the best interests of all the company stakeholders, and we'll continue to welcome the opportunity to engage in good faith with all stakeholders going forward. Before I pass it over to Frank, I just want to reiterate how pleased we are with the business performance in Q3 and the results of our current strategy, as well as the current trajectory we're seeing in the business in the current quarter and moving forward. I'll now turn over to Frank to discuss the financials.

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

Thank you, Matt, and good evening, everyone. This evening, we reported our third quarter fiscal 2024 results. Our results continue to demonstrate the resiliency and diversification of the business. As Matt mentioned, we continue to diversify our revenue base and enhance our practice management offering. We have reduced our reliance on real estate transactions and increased our annual recurring revenue, which has already achieved our full fiscal year target in Q3, earlier than expected, primarily through growing our practice management solutions. Our annual contracted revenue remains robust, driven by both our practice management and our payments infrastructure service lines. Revenue exposed to real estate transaction globally in Q3 was 43%, compared to 50% in the same period of fiscal 2023. While revenue exposed to real estate transactions in Canada was only 20%, compared to 26% in the same period of last year.

Keep in mind that a portion of our real estate exposure in Canada includes refinancing transactions. As a result, our actual exposure to these transactions is even lower than 20%. Annual recurring revenue contracted was 30% as of March 31, 2024, compared to 19% in the same point of last year. There are components of our revenue which we do not include in ARR, such as revenue from contracted overages and other revenues under contract with service agreements. These are included in annual contracted revenue, and in the third quarter, this was 53%, inclusive of ARR, compared to 37% in the prior year. We reported revenues of CAD 107.3 million during the third quarter, an increase of 16% compared to the same period last year, taking into consideration the sale of TM on August 3rd, 2023.

Revenue grew 3% year-over-year, including the impact of TM in the prior period, mainly as a result of organic initiatives. Keep in mind that the Q2 and Q3 periods of our fiscal year are typically the weakest from a seasonality perspective, whereas Q4 and Q1, in that order, are typically our strongest periods. As we reach the midpoint of our fourth quarter, we are seeing positive signals based on current market activity, which provide a tailwind for us to finish the year with positive momentum. We generated adjusted EBITDA of CAD 59.8 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2024, an increase of 11% compared to the same period last year, taking into consideration the sale of TM Group, and grew 7% or CAD 3.7 million, including the contribution of TM Group versus the prior year.

Improvement is primarily a result of the growth in organic revenues, as well as the impact of our business improvement plan and lower direct costs. We continue to maintain our strong EBITDA margins, coming in at 56% this quarter, which is in line with our target range between 50% and 60%. Total adjusted operating expenses, which include direct costs, technology costs, G&A, and sales and marketing, were CAD 47.6 million for the quarter, or 44% of revenue. Adjusted operating expenses for the quarter were lower by approximately 1% from the prior year, including the impact of acquisition operating costs acquired over the last 12 months, which demonstrates the improvements from our business improvement plan. Net finance costs for the quarter were CAD 30.1 million, compared to CAD 40.3 million in the same period of fiscal 2023.

The improvement was primarily due to the revaluation of the convertible debentures, offset partially by the higher interest expense and loss on discontinuation of hedge accounting on our interest rate swap. Acquisition, restructuring, and other costs for the quarter were CAD 7.1 million. This was a decrease from CAD 15.8 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2023 or 55%, and we believe we could deliver additional improvements in this cost item over time.... As Matt mentioned earlier, we have taken actions to increase our cash flow performance with a greater emphasis on this measure. Our business improvement plan generated more than the targeted CAD 70 million in annualized free cash flow improvements on a run rate basis as we exited the third quarter, which includes the impact of the recent refinancing transaction.

Our Q3 cash flow operations was CAD 35 million in the quarter, up 24% compared to the same period last year, mainly as a result of lower acquisition costs and lower amount of taxes paid. On a year-to-date basis, taxes paid reduced by 63% or CAD 15.7 million, largely as a result of legal entity consolidations and other tax planning measures. Basic adjusted net income per share was up 36% to CAD 0.19 in Q3, compared to CAD 0.14 in the same period of last year. As a reminder, basic adjusted net income per share mainly adjusts for non-cash items such as amortization, stock-based compensation, and financing gains and losses, which is the closest measure to cash flow per share that we report.

Turning to our balance sheet, our net debt, excluding the convertible debentures, stood at approximately CAD 948 million as of March 31st, 2024, which has been reduced by approximately CAD 102 million since June 30th, 2023. Subsequent to the end of the period, we repaid all of our amounts standing under the Ares credit facility with the proceeds from the refinancing transaction. The refinancing transaction in Canadian dollars consisted of approximately CAD 760 million of senior secured notes due 2029, approximately CAD 479 million in a senior secured Term Loan B facility due 2031, and CAD 105 million revolving credit facility. These refinancing transactions significantly improve our capital structure, eliminated the springing maturity provisions of the Ares facility, and results in an estimated CAD 20 million of net interest savings on an annualized basis.

We understand the importance of reducing our leverage, and we have set a clear target to reduce it before, to reduce it below 4x total net debt to adjusted EBITDA. That said, we have sufficient resources to manage our debt levels. The business generates strong, sustainable cash flows. We built a business of scale that is mission-critical to small and medium-sized law firms and financial institutions all over the world. Our financial results and the recent actions we've taken demonstrate the consistency of the business and the opportunity that is in front of us. With that, I'd like to turn it over back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Questions will be taken in the order received. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Robert Young from Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Hi, good evening. A couple questions. First one, you said that you're setting up for one of the best quarters on record. You didn't give any guidance for the quarter, but I think you said that it's a large updraft in ARR in the quarter, and then strong transactional revenue from conveyancing and due diligence. And so I'm curious if you could provide a little bit of additional detail around those components. Should we be expecting Fiscal Q4 to be up quarter over quarter? Seems likely. Any other context there would be very helpful.

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

So yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think you've correctly categorized the drivers we reflected. So yeah. So yes, I mean, as you know, Q4 is traditionally our strongest quarter. We still have, you know, approximately half of our business, which is transactional, today, and with overages even beyond that. So, yeah, we're expecting a very strong quarter that will be up versus the current quarter results we just released.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. And then the difference between those two figures, ARR at 30% and contracted revenue over 50%, is the bulk of that overages? If you could just talk about the difference between those two figures, is that what's where this confidence is coming from? Is it overages on contracted minimums?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Yeah. So we have, like, really three buckets of revenue, I'll call it. One is traditional, traditional, kind of, more legacy per-transaction revenue, and that's really generally opened by law firms purchasing per matter or per transaction products on our software. The other bucket is kind of ARR, and that consists of minimum spend contracts, as well as traditional subscription licenses. And then the third is overages, and that really makes up two things. It's the overages on the minimum spend contracts that you referenced, but it's also we have a lot of contracts or all our banking business has contracts with very large financial institutions, and a lot of that is, while it's very stable, you know, predictable revenue, it is still revenue under contract with the bank.

Those are the three buckets that make it up, to answer your question.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Then, I noticed in the prepared remarks in the release, there wasn't any update on that strategic review of non-core assets. Is there any updated status you can provide on that?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Not at this time.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Last question for me. The Substantial Issuer Bid, can you give us any context around the math or the thought process behind the CAD 900 bid there? Then I'll pass the line.

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

... Yeah, Rob, this is Frank. The 900 dollars is our best offer that we've made throughout the SIB process. It reflects what we believe is the underlying actually the premium to the underlying value. More details will follow with our SIB offering that will come out later this week.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. That's fine. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Thanos Moschopoulos from BMO. Please go ahead.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, good afternoon. You specified your objective of working down your leverage. But just for context, how should we think about how you're gonna prioritize that relative to perhaps additional M&A over the next while? I think this is the first quarter in some time that you didn't execute on M&A, but just as we think about the near term, what are your thoughts on M&A versus leveraging?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Look, I think we've always said, Thanos, it's a, it's a balance. You know, we've purposely been focused over the last 12 months , 24 months on integrating the business, making substantial investments in the things I talked about, and really also driving, you know, ARR. We believe in the long run, having I said 50, but in the long run, I always want a lot higher amount of kind of very predictable under contract ARR revenue. That said, we're still going to just, you know, tuck in from time to time where it makes sense, as we often have the ability to augment our product stack or acquire market share, you know, by an acquisition where it makes sense. So again, highly focused and really want to get that leverage down.

If there's a creative acquisition that makes sense, we have to balance that too.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. As far as the improved transaction volumes and momentum you're seeing, is that across all your three key geographies, or is it more weighted to one versus the others?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

It's primarily across Canada and Australia, we're seeing it the most. The UK market still seems to lag a bit, but... Yeah.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Working capital was a significant use of cash during the quarter. Can you just expand on that? I mean, is some of that related to restructuring-related payments, or what's the dynamic and what should we expect, perhaps in the upcoming quarter?

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

Yeah

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

... from a working capital perspective?

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

Yeah. Hey, hey, Thanos, it's Frank here. The what you would have seen in working capital this quarter would have been a use from a prepay of about CAD 5 million that was related to our refinancing transaction, as we essentially you know incurred some of those charges in late March. And then on the AR side there would have been a use of about CAD 9 million. That reflects a few buildings that came in late in the quarter that we've since recovered. So we do expect some reversal of that into Q4.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. All right. I'll pass the line. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Kevin Krishnayer from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Kevin Krishnaratne
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Hey there, good evening. Just on the organic growth, 4%. Wondering if you could dig in there a bit more, maybe by geography. I'm just looking at your financials. Canada, on a reported basis, is up 10%. Australia was down a little bit. I'm just wondering if you can give a bit more color on, you know, sort of what you're seeing organic growth-wise across the different geographies and what are the drivers there?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Look, look, I mean, I, I think we talked about a lot of the drivers there. You know, Kevin, earlier, you know, a lot of the drivers are coming from, you know, on the legal side of the business. We don't disclose it by geography. It, but so I think we kind of covered it off in our remarks earlier.

Kevin Krishnaratne
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay, fair enough. Maybe just a bigger picture question then. You know, with Unity, if you take, you know, take a typical small law firm in Canada you're serving here, say, look at their revenue per year. How does that compare to a law firm in the UK or Australia? And just how do you think about the opportunity for cross-selling with Unity to close that gap?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

It's really the same thing, right? Like, you know, if you look at the kind of the two key things we do globally, we do have auxiliary products, but it really is the selling, you know, legal practice management systems, which really is the, you know, the central operating system for a law firm, as well as, you know, their data and insight applications provide legal due diligence. You know, it, it. The intersection of those two products in all markets really is key to our ability to, A, drive extreme stickiness with our clients, but also drive that cross-sell.

I'd say over and beyond that, you know, you know, adding on auxiliary products, whether it's, you know, an accounting module or whatever it may be, that we know law firms require to manage their practice every day. The strategy remains the same in all markets.

Kevin Krishnaratne
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

And with, you know, you're rolling out Unity into the... I can't-- I think it was in the UK. Are you seeing like a lift in, you know, in ARPUs, you know, law firms? Are you actually seeing that materialize? Do we see that benefit into the next quarter?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Well, so we only started, you know, early this year selling, you know, selling contracts in the UK. And it's a great trajectory so far. We're really starting to see some momentum in customers signing up contracts. So, and a cross-sell as well as we kind of go to market with both the practice standard offering as well as, you know, all their diligence capabilities under one platform. So, that cross-sell has been very real and very good to see.

Kevin Krishnaratne
Director and Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

All right. Okay, thanks, Matt. I'll pass the line.

Operator

... Thank you. Once again, should you wish to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. And your next question comes from the line of Stephen Boland from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Stephen Boland
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, I guess I'll be the one to ask the question, Matt. What can you talk about with Engine Capital? I know there was probably dialogue earlier; now seems to have gone into a more formal, you know, press release type of relationship. Is there ongoing dialogue with them, or, you know, are you just gonna be waiting for the meeting to occur?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Yeah, look, I mean, happy to take that question. And thanks for putting on the table. Look, we're willing to talk to all shareholders and have, like, constructive dialogue. We, you know, it's always good to listen and hear what people have to say. And, you know, you often get good feedback from all shareholders, including Engine. We've had some very constructive conversations with them on how they see the business, and we'll continue that, again, Engine and all shareholders. You know, that said, we're continuing to run the business. We're very happy with the performance. The trajectory, we think, is extremely strong. So that's our main focus. And we'll continue to engage, again, with all shareholders.

Stephen Boland
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. There was a slide in the deck that was somewhat new, just on the product side. It talked about some of the fastest growing segments, and I guess practice management, I understand, but analytics is another one that you're offering. Can you just explain what legal firms are doing, what analytics they're using?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Yeah. So what our customers do, it's, I mean, it's risk—it's analyzing risk, right? If you're doing legal due diligence as a law firm on behalf of your clients, you know, we provide the software that enables them to assess risk on really any given corporate transaction or property transaction, be able to go to their client and say, "Hey, this is the risk associated with transaction," and provide insight into that risk. And so again, we're sitting, you look at, like, the key growth areas, practice management, analytics, these are core competencies of Dye & Durham.

So, as this market globally, looks to expand from almost double from kind of $26 billion to just under $50 billion, by 2030, you know, we're very well positioned, particularly given our existing market share and where we're focused on growth in capturing that market, that market share uplift.

Stephen Boland
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

And then the last piece there was the legal research. Maybe just if you could explain to me what that is, and, you know, is this a something that you're gonna need, you know, in the next couple of years to be offering?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

No, we don't see ourselves, I mean, today, getting into legal research. It's a market that's fairly well dominated by the likes of, you know, Thomson Reuters, LexisNexis, but probably the two largest legal tech companies in the world. They service it very well and do a very good job of, again, servicing the customers in that market. So we don't see ourselves, you know, trying to break into that market. It's not a focus of ours.

Stephen Boland
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. I'll sneak one more in. Just, I know your focus has been on the balance sheet, you know, but certainly, I know you've got a large pipeline of deals or always looking at or evaluating. You know, is it fair to say that you maybe you saw a company or two that you liked, but you just thought the timing isn't right? Or has it just been nothing out there that you've seen that really fit your appetite?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Oh, good, good question. I kind of answered it earlier. Like, you know, we'll transact if we see something, but again, we're really focused on getting that leverage down. Look, we're -- we believe leverage remains a drag on the valuation of the business. You know, we have those slides in our deck. We looked at kind of since IPO, how it has performed, and while we're doing good, we think we're doing a lot better. We think leverage remains one of the main drags. So a key priority of us is getting that leverage down.

You know, we have a near-term goal of below 4x , but obviously, longer term, we know we kind of got to be down closer to at least 3x, kind of operating in between that 2.5x-3.5x, for the long run. So, so again, can't take our eye off that ball, but, but again, you also, you got to balance it.

Stephen Boland
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Appreciate the comments.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Scott Fletcher from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Scott Fletcher
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Hi. Just a couple follow-ups from me. On an earlier question, so when you announced the new debt package, you called out a run rate adjusted EBITDA number of CAD 278 million. With Q4 being the seasonally strong quarter, should we be expecting adjusted EBITDA above the sort of CAD 70 million quarterly run rate implied by that 278 number?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

No. So, the 278 was, I mean, we called it further adjusted EBITDA, and really a lender metric. It's the kind of forward-looking, outstanding synergies left in the business. And there was, I think, CAD 27 million remaining from our, you know, December 31 LTM versus the remaining synergies. It was a CAD 27 million difference. Look, we said by end of December, calendar year 2024, we'd captured most of those synergies. And we will have, you know, from an execution perspective, had a lot of them kind of actioned on by the end of this quarter, early Q1.

So feeling, you know, really good or making really good trajectory on kind of- on taking that, those costs out of the business. So that's what that, that kind of relates to. As a Q4, I mean, look, our business, the trends in our business, the drivers, what we're seeing both from a macro perspective and what we're driving, you know, internally is really, really promising. And so if you look at our historically, Q4 has been a very strong quarter. And we think this one will be set up to be one of the strongest so far.

Scott Fletcher
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Okay, thank you.

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

Well, one of the factors, Scott... Yeah, one of the factors, Scott, in that Q4 was the, you know, there is an increase in the amount of business days, relative to a previous year. So that's just the timing of the Easter holiday, just as another fact pattern.

Scott Fletcher
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Okay, thanks. Just on the deleveraging note, obviously you're freeing up some excess free cash with the refinance, with the new debt. Does the new package give you flexibility to make regular repayments on either of the new facilities?

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

As we would have seen in the disclosure, it's obviously a lot easier to prepay the loan versus the bond. The bond has, you know, call protection on it, that's quite substantial. But it's pretty straightforward to repay the loan, should you wish to.

Scott Fletcher
Director of Equity Research, CIBC

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Robert Young from Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Rob?

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Sorry about that. Just to follow up, trying to understand the, the positive comments on Australia and the, the trends there. But in the quarter, the revenue was down. I think you-- someone asked the question, but I didn't catch the answer. I was wondering if you could touch on that, just try to understand that, difference.

Matt Proud
CEO, Dye & Durham

Yeah. No, I was more talking about, and I probably pivoted more to talk about drivers. A lot of that is due to FX as well.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

All of it, or all of it? Or what? Maybe if you break down the pieces there.

Frank Di Liso
CFO, Dye & Durham

Rob, the FX had a portion of the change year-over-year. But we can't disclose the pieces of specifically what's FX versus the business. So, but we just want to mention that the FX was one of the major drivers of the decline.

Robert Young
Managing Director and Head of Research for Canada, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Mr. Huss Hirji for closing remarks.

Husayn Hirji
VP of Investor Relations, Dye & Durham

Great. Thanks, all, for attending, and we look forward to connecting with you during our Q4 full year results, to be held in September. Until then, have a great day, and speak soon.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.

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