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Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Dec 13, 2019

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Enghouse's Q4 2019 conference call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Stephen Sadler, Chairman and CEO. Please go ahead, Mr. Sadler.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Good morning, everybody. I'm here today with Vince Mifsud, Global President, Doug Bryson, VP Finance, Todd May, VP Legal Counsel, and Sam Anidjar, VP Corporate Development. Before we begin, I will have Todd read our forward disclaimer.

Todd May
VP Legal Counsel, Enghouse Systems

Certain statements made may be forward-looking. By their nature, such forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including those in Enghouse's continuous disclosure filings, such as its AIF, which could cause the company's actual results and experience to differ materially from anticipated results or other expectations. Undue reliance should not be placed on these forward-looking statements and information. The company has no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking information, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Thanks, Todd. Doug will now give an overview of the financial results.

Doug Bryson
VP Finance, Enghouse Systems

Thanks, Steve. Yesterday, Enghouse announced its fourth quarter and year-end financial results for the period ended October 31st, 2019. Revenue increased to CAD 385.9 million for the fiscal year compared to revenue of CAD 342.8 million in the previous fiscal year, resulting in another record year for the company. Revenue includes CAD 219.6 million in from hosted and maintenance services, an increase of 14.9%. Operating expenses were CAD 155.1 million for the year, compared to CAD 136.2 million in the prior year, as the savings related to operating cost synergies were offset by the incremental costs related to acquired operations. Results from operating activities were CAD 112 million compared to CAD 103.2 million last year, a 13.9% increase. Operating expenses include special charges of CAD 1.2 million compared to CAD 0.4 million last year and reflect the costs related to the acquisition restructuring.

Net income for the year was CAD 70.8 million, or CAD 1.29 per diluted share, compared to CAD 57.7 million or CAD 1.06 per diluted share in the prior year, an increase of 22.7%. Adjusted EBITDA for the year was CAD 115.6 million, or CAD 2.10 per diluted share, compared to CAD 106 million or CAD 1.94 per diluted share last year, an increase of 9%. Fourth quarter revenue was CAD 109.3 million, a 27.4% increase compared to revenue of CAD 85.8 million in the fourth quarter of the prior year. The revenue increase primarily reflects contributions from acquisitions. Results from operating activities were CAD 32.5 million compared to CAD 27.3 million in the prior year's fourth quarter, which reflects the impact due to changes in product mix on gross margins and strong operating margin contributions from acquisitions.

Net income for the quarter was CAD 24.7 million or CAD 0.45 per diluted share, an increase of 26.3% from CAD 19.6 million or CAD 0.36 per diluted share last year. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was CAD 34 million or CAD 0.62 per diluted share compared to CAD 27.9 million or CAD 0.51 per diluted share last year, with the increase being primarily attributable to incremental revenue contributions from acquisitions. Operating expenses before special charges related to restructuring of acquired operations were CAD 43.7 million compared to CAD 33.5 million in the prior year's fourth quarter and reflect incremental operating costs related to acquisitions. Non-cash amortization charges on acquired software and customer relationships from acquired operations were CAD 9.2 million for the quarter, compared to CAD 6.4 million in the prior year's fourth quarter.

Enghouse generated cash flows from operating activities of CAD 21.7 million, compared to CAD 24 million in the fourth quarter of the prior year, and CAD 81.4 million for the year, compared to CAD 98.3 million in the prior year. Cash flows from operating activities, excluding changes in working capital, were CAD 33.9 million, compared to CAD 29.5 million in the fourth quarter of last year, an increase of 14.9%. For the year, cash flows from operating activities, excluding changes in working capital, increased 9.5% to CAD 118.5 million. Working capital adjustments reduced operating cash flows by CAD 12.1 million in the quarter and CAD 37.1 million annually, largely as a result of settling liabilities assumed from acquisitions. Enghouse closed the year with CAD 150.3 million in cash equivalents, and short-term investments compared to CAD 193.9 million on October 31st, 2018.

The cash balance was achieved after payments of CAD 21.9 million for cash dividends, an increase of 19% from the prior year as the company increased its dividend for the 11th consecutive year. The cash balance is also after the completion of six acquisitions in the year at a cost of CAD 101.2 million net of cash acquired. These complementary acquisitions increased revenue while expanding Enghouse's product portfolio and local presence in new countries. Late in the fourth quarter, Enghouse completed the acquisition of Eptica, which further expanded the company's footprint in France and added customer engagement software solutions powered by AI to the company's interactive portfolio. Finally, yesterday, the board of directors approved the company's eligible quarterly dividend of CAD 0.11 per common share, payable on February 28th, 2020 to shareholders of record at the close of business on February 14th, 2020. I'll now hand the call back to Mr. Sadler.

Steve?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Thank you, Doug. As Doug noted, we closed the quarter with over CAD 150 million in cash and short-term investments. After paying approximately CAD 7 million for Eptica October 22nd, just before the year-end. It should be noted a holdback of CAD 3.2 million may also be needed for the Eptica purchase. Cash flow before working capital was CAD 33.85 in Q4 compared to CAD 29.5 in the prior year, an increase of 14.7%. It's noted that net cash flow for operating activities was CAD 21.7 million, as income taxes paid increased with the added profitability and payments were made related to liabilities and provisions from pre-acquisition activities. Revenue was as expected in Q4, although it was negatively impacted by approximately CAD 1.8 million over Q3 and approximately CAD 1.7 million over the prior year due to foreign exchange.

The balance sheet also at a small loss on foreign exchange in Q4, was basically neutral for the year on the operations. Loss due to foreign exchange was about CAD 4.3 million from revenue and cost, the reduction was about CAD 3 million for the entire year. We have reasonable operational hedging. Fiscal 2019 had two large acquisitions in May. Both these companies had substantial losses over the last 10 years. As noted last quarter, the results of these acquisitions were EBITDA positive in the last quarter, and in Q4, they both achieved our targeted EBITDA margins. For Espial, we continue to invest in IPTV and expect revenue to improve in the second half of fiscal 2020. For Vidyo, we are planning to invest more in sales and marketing, especially in our international operation to improve growth.

This will take time and cost to achieve, but we already have a global business structure on which to build. Eptica was closed October 22nd, 2019, and had minimal financial impact on the quarter since it was completed so late in the quarter. It did reduce our cash balance. For acquisitions in general, economic and market factors in our service industries continue to support our acquisition strategy and meet our acquisition financial payback criteria with strong return on invested capital. We continue to focus our capital deployment activities as well as positioning to improve internal growth in future years. I will now open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question on today's call, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, press star one to ask a question. We'll now take our first question from Daniel Chan of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

All right. Good morning, guys. You've got about CAD 150 million of cash, and you generate about CAD 80 million of free cash flow this year. If we add back the CAD 30 million of operating cash flows from settling the liabilities that came with the acquisitions, that puts you at, let's call it an adjusted free cash flow of about CAD 110 million for the year, and that's likely to be higher next year following the integration of these acquisitions. Do you think the opportunities in your acquisition pipeline are large enough for you to use up all your capital, or are you considering any alternatives for the capital outside of acquisitions?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Yeah, I think the exact number is about CAD 118 for the cash flow, if you add that back, CAD 118 million. We are seeing good opportunities. As long as they can meet our financial criteria, we're comfortable that we can deploy at least some of that cash next year. Whether we deploy it all or not, time will tell.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

I guess my question is, if you're not able to deploy it all, what are your thoughts on using the rest of it?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Save it for next year to deploy it.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay, sounds good.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

From a dividend point of view, we do look at the dividends in March, and we have increased it every year for the last 10. Possibly the dividend will go up a little bit. Some will be used for that, and we're sticking to our general formula where most of the cash we generate goes to acquisitions and about 15%-20% goes to the dividend. Since our EBITDA is increasing, the dividend generally increases.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Thank you. Switching over to AMG. In Q3, you mentioned there were some delayed deals. Just wondering if you were able to close those deals in Q4?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

All closed in Q4. There's always some deals that flow quarter to quarter, but there was a little bit more in Q3, and they closed as expected.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Final question from me, just to get update on the IMG Microsoft Teams integration. How is that going?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Going pretty well. We basically have the integration done, as we said, in the last couple of quarters. There's still always things to do in getting the APIs from Microsoft finished. We are now actively starting to sell it, and beginning in Q2, it should help our revenue.

Daniel Chan
Analyst, TD Securities

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you find that your questions have been answered, you may always remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. As a reminder to ask a question, it is star one. We'll now take our next question from Paul Steep of Scotia Capital. Please go ahead.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Morning. Steve or Vince, could you talk a little bit just about the organic initiatives? It looks like things have gone well this quarter in Interactive. Maybe how you're feeling about the build-out of the lead gen engine, and walk through what you've done over the last 18 months and where you feel you're at today and the outlook going forward.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

I'm going to pass it over to Vince, but this does take time to do. Demand gen, you've got to start building things online so people understand what you do. We've started that and done a lot of it, but it does take time. Maybe, Vince, you can go through what you've been working on.

Vince Mifsud
Global President, Enghouse Systems

Yeah. Just to continue on what I had said previously. The demand gen part is part of us also going more direct. That's moving along nicely. We are doing more on customer success in terms of selling to our large customer base, cross-selling, that kind of thing. Overall, the progress is going pretty well. Generally speaking, you're starting to see some of those results happen. Like Steve said, it takes time, and we're making some good progress there.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

On the direct sales force on that side, how far is the build-out through, Vince? Are you still in the process of trying to recruit and build out the organization or you feel like, okay, we've done the building out, and now we're just giving people time to season and build a pipeline?

Vince Mifsud
Global President, Enghouse Systems

Well, we've built out some of the direct sales force. What we're adding now, like Steve mentioned, is some direct in Vidyo in Europe. We think there's a big opportunity to sell Vidyo in the European market. We'll be adding some more direct sales people in Europe as well to sell the Vidyo product. That's still new. The other direct sales teams are built out quite well over the last 18 months.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Maybe just onto margin upside. Obviously, Steve, you did a great job with Vidyo and Espial getting some cost out there. How should we think about where you're at in the progress of that? Have we hit the full inflection point of you removing those costs, or is there more to still come in terms of some opportunity for margin upside?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

We're pretty much at the margin or standard margin plus a little bit. Now our objective for both was, let's get the operations profitable. They hadn't been profitable for 10 years. Get them profitable and then look at the cash we're generating and see how to redeploy that back into grow the business and grow the operations. Again, for Espial and IPTV, that's probably coming out for the second half of the year, and we're still investing in that. Not much change there. For video, the margins actually are a little better than I would expect, and we've got to invest, as Vince just said, in some of our global sales and marketing to grow the business a bit more, which again, it always takes a little bit of time. Usually there's some cost before you get the benefit of extra revenue.

The margins are there now. We don't see really anything more to improve the margins other than hopefully we can grow the Vidyo, but it'll cost a little bit to do it.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay, great. I'm not sure if I caught you. You went a little fast at the beginning, apologies if I grabbed the wrong one here. You talked about further investments. I know around IPTV. Maybe talk about what that looks like into next year in terms of what you're actually building and when you think you'd have a product in market, or if it's enhancements to the existing solution Espial had in market.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Espial was mainly cable, so it's actually a new product that goes for TV over the internet. They were working on it, and we continue to. I expect the product will be for first release around the third quarter or early in the third quarter, April, May next year. We already have interest in the product. One could say orders, but let's wait till we get the product all finished and make sure it does what everybody wants, which will be in the second half of next year.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Then just the last quick one for me. Steve, in the quarter, I know you had to recognize some of the licenses point in time. Should we think about next year when we anniversary that there's potentially a bit of a gap or no, those are orders that might have an annual cadence to them in the future? Is there a bunch of volatility? I know that was forced on you by the accountant's choices.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Accountants like to change the rules. We're pretty steady. We don't see any big impact ± from that now. The first year is always tougher. We had to take some that we could not recognize in the prior year, about CAD 2.2 million that we did last November. I think we're fine. It's pretty steady now as we go forward.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay, great. Thanks, guys. Happy holidays.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Deepak Kaushal of Stifel GMP. Please go ahead.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Oh, hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Steve, I just wanted to follow up on Paul's question on margins. If 30% is your standard corporate rate and you're investing a little bit in sales and marketing and Vidyo next year, will that cause margins to dip below that standard rate, or can you do that within the standard rate?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

First of all, our standard rate, which I usually tell everyone, is 25%-30%. We're doing a little better than what I would say our standard rate is right now. We do have to invest a little bit into Vidyo, we do have a global infrastructure already in place. It's not as much as a lot of other companies might have to do. If the revenue depends on how fast it picks up, what happens to those margins? Initially, it would be a bit of a drag on the margin, we might drop a little bit below 30%. As revenue picks up, we should be back and above. As I constantly mention, as we do acquisitions, they usually negatively impact the margins for a couple of quarters as we integrate them in.

We happen to integrate both Espial and Vidyo, both large, troubled companies, very quickly. That's why our margins are back up where they are, but depends on what we do with acquisitions in the future, what happens to those margins. If we continue to do some more, they probably will come down a bit. Our Eptica didn't impact the margins very much negatively because there wasn't really much structuring to be done, which, as you know, in France, is very expensive. We look for companies, we assess all those factors. We're doing okay. Our margins are 30. We've always said you should think about 25 to 30. We've been beating it a lot, but it depends a lot on acquisitions and how much restructuring we have to put through.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks. Yeah, of course, notwithstanding future acquisitions. A couple of follow-ups. M&A, are you seeing any change in the dynamics from private equity, either competition or in terms of selling on the M&A side? Any new things on the video side since you've bought Espial and Vidyo?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Well, you know, in Vidyo, there is a company called Zoom that trades about 20x revenue. They're the market leader growing quite quickly. For us, what that means, it's a very good market and a big market, looking at their growth. We don't see any difference there. In fact, sometimes that can help you because when you've got a large company doing well, there's probably some smaller companies that aren't doing as well. Remember, we're a capital allocator. That may give us some opportunities. We'll have to wait and see. I think the rest of it's about the same it has been for a couple of years. Private equity has a lot of money. Are active, generally on bigger deals. We don't see them if the revenue is not CAD 50 million-CAD 100 million. Mostly over CAD 100 million.

Under 50, where we generally play, they don't have a big impact. They've gone for bigger deals, but they do have money to spend.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Okay, excellent. I know I've asked you about the potential risk on Brexit, but now we might have more clarity on that happening after yesterday. Given there's more clarity on Brexit, are there any opportunities that this kind of cements in your mind for your U.K. business and in general?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Haven't seen much impact one way or the other. Never thought of it as a big issue for us and actually don't see it as a big benefit for us either. Unless a company moves their contact center to another location and then has to buy another system. It's way too early for all that. Not really negative and not really positive other than its impact on foreign exchange.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Okay, excellent. Okay, well, thanks for taking my questions. I'll pass the line. Have a great holiday if we don't chat.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephanie Price of CIBC. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Good morning.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Morning.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

I was hoping you could talk a bit about the Eptica acquisition in terms of what it was growing at pre-acquisition, the revenue it brings, and how you see it fitting in.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Eptica is a little bit unusual. I've said pretty open in the past, France is a hard place to do business. This is a pretty good company that had some software that actually ties to contact centers. Pretty good recurring revenue. We believe that we can see this as a base for us in France to bring our contact center software in there. They have a group who can sell it, and it's with our strategy of think globally, but act locally. All countries and regions are putting bubbles over themselves, including the U.S. now. We're in the countries, with support, with professional services, with management, and we see we weren't in France really. We had a couple of customers, but now we can move in there.

With Vidyo, we had a large customer there, so they will take on those customers in France, and hopefully, will improve revenue with our local presence.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Okay. In terms of margins in the IMG division, they were stronger than we anticipated. Is that mostly Vidyo integration, or were there other kind of drivers of that margin in IMG this quarter?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Yeah, I don't know how you anticipated it, so it's a hard question for me to answer.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Fair enough. Did you see any other one time?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Let me say the Vidyo margins were quite good, and certainly at or above our normal margins.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Okay.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

As was the Espial margins. If I looked at the quarter, anything, we took two large companies that never made money, had them break even after a few months, and have them at our margins in the next three months, that's pretty good. A lot of credit goes to all the staff who helped get that done.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, it is star one on your telephone keypad. We'll take our next question from Paul Treiber of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks very much, and good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the last comment you made, just in terms of the pace of integration at Vidyo and Espial. You mentioned it's faster than the four-quarter target that you typically have. Could you elaborate on why the integration was so smooth and so much faster than the typical target? Could you also speak to the positive impact perhaps that your new financial systems are having in terms of integration?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Okay, you have a couple questions there. Remember, I said before the deal even closed, action was taken to restructure their business. They were looking at doing that restructuring, and then we of course did what they said, and then tying to us, did a little bit more. It started earlier than normal. Usually you buy, and you don't start until after you buy. This one here, they both were troubled companies and were having to take some action themselves. It started a little early. Once we got into it, look, you sort of answered the question about the financial systems. We said we did a lot of that work over a couple of years, and it was a little painful so that we could bring acquisitions in faster. I guess all I can say is it shows that we can do it.

We are bringing acquisitions in faster, and we have taken their systems and put them all on our systems already. We did that before the end of the year, had it audited. We're just getting a little better at it.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, that's good to hear. Also, when you acquired those two companies, you gave a comment that the businesses would generate CAD 70 million-CAD 75 million in annual revenue going forward. Is what you saw Q4 consistent with that? Then, looking forward, is there anything that you're seeing right now that would lead you to revise that outlook either up or down?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Yeah, it's very consistent with that. Maybe a little on the high end. Depends how well we move the video, how well internationally we can develop that business. The Espial, I don't until the last half of the year, and it always takes a little bit longer. I don't see a lot of growth from that in the current year. We'll have to see how the new product works. On the video side, we're hoping we can get a faster start because we do have an infrastructure, a global one with people in all those countries. We don't have to add much cost, one or two salespeople, maybe a support person, to start developing the product in those companies. We don't have to set up. We've already got management. We've already got support. We've got professional services, and we've got salespeople.

We do have to add a bit more on the sales and marketing side because it's slightly different than our contact center or our networks products. We have to do that. It depends what happens there. We're usually pretty conservative, but it is a challenge to do that, and you've got a pretty big and good competitor in Zoom, although they're mostly U.S. I'm not sure that they have the same structure that we do, and I think local markets too tend to like having staff locally to support them.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question on today's call, it is star one. We'll take our next question from Deepak Kaushal of Stifel GMP. Please go ahead.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Hey, sorry guys. Thanks for taking my follow-up. Steve, just on your comments on Zoom just kind of piqued my interest. Just kind of wondering if you could remind us on Vidyo, how their technical infrastructure is. Are they fully cloud-based? Is it totally SaaS? What are the differentiating or common features you have with a competitor like Zoom?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Zoom is really SaaS, cloud-based. We're both. They were on-premise and had slowed it down for a couple of years, so we're still investing in sales and marketing. You'll notice our R&D's up because of that, because just fixing up their system. They were doing partly a new system, but they have a system that can be on-premise or in the cloud, and we're happy to do either one for the customers. We do have to make it a little bit more robust. We got to catch it up a bit. We've been working on doing that, and we'll continue to. Pretty good shape. We're in the cloud, and like everything, we try and do both. Let the customers choose if they want to be in the cloud or SaaS.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Okay, what % of your existing customers prior to Vidyo were overlapping with their product?

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Hard to say. Haven't gone all through that because it's sort of different groups. I would say most of our customers did not overlap. They brought new customers to us, banking, hospitals. We weren't big in those two areas. A lot of the customers were basically new.

Deepak Kaushal
Analyst, Stifel GMP

Okay, excellent. That's a helpful reminder. I appreciate it. Again, I'll pass the line. Thanks again.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, it is star one to ask a question. We'll just take a brief pause to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. Thank you. It does not appear we have any further questions at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Sadler. Thank you.

Stephen Sadler
Chairman and CEO, Enghouse Systems

Well, thank you everyone for your continued support, and have a merry Christmas and a happy holiday season.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.