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Earnings Call: Q4 2019

Feb 12, 2020

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Capital Realty Q4 2019 and Year End Results Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alison.

Please proceed with your presentation.

Speaker 2

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. In discussing our financial and operating performance and in responding to your questions during today's call, we may make forward looking statements. These statements are based on our current estimates and assumptions, many of which are beyond our control and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these forward looking statements. Summary of these underlying assumptions, risks and uncertainties is contained in our various securities filings, including our MD and A for the year ended December 31, 2019, and our current AIF, both of which are available on SEDAR and on our website. These forward looking statements are made as of today's date and except as required by securities law, we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any such statements.

During today's call, we will also be referencing certain financial measures that are non IFRS measures. These do not have standardized meanings prescribed by IFRS and should not be construed as alternatives. Management provides these measures as a complement to IFRS measures to aid in assessing the company's performance. These non IFRS measures are further defined and discussed in our MD and A, which should be read in conjunction with this call. I'll now turn the call over to Adam.

Speaker 3

Thank you very much, Allison. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our year end conference call. 2019 was a pivotal year for First Capital. To be successful, change has to be built on a solid foundation. FCR's evolution into an urban platform is not a recent phenomenon.

It's evolved over the past decade plus. Today, as we celebrate our 20 year anniversary and start this new decade, our foundation is very solid. In 2019, we took several bold steps to unearth the true potential value of FCR. We launched our Super Urban strategy and a new brand identity that depicts the importance of community at the center of our real estate portfolio and solidifies our purpose to create thriving urban neighborhoods. We also addressed the Gazit overhang by facilitating an initial $1,200,000,000 reduction of their ownership interest, including FCR acquiring $742,000,000 at a price well below our NAV.

Gazit's ownership now stands at 4.4%, resulting in FCR being a widely held company for the first time. After a lot of work by our tax, accounting and legal teams, we successfully completed our previously announced conversion to a real estate investment trust near year end. Our focus on improving the people and culture side of our business came through loud and clear on our high engagement survey scores and led to FCR being named the top employer in Greater Toronto by The Globe and Mail for the first time. We were honored to be Canada's only public real estate company to receive this distinction in 2019. Our long standing commitment as a leader in ESG garnered several accolades for our team, including receiving our 3rd consecutive AAA ESG rating from MSCI.

It's the highest rating possible. But perhaps most importantly, were the advances we made executing our super urban strategy and in turn enhancing the quality of our real estate portfolio. The composition of our portfolio underwent a significant shift in 2019 through $1,400,000,000 of investment activity and over 9,000,000 square feet of zoning submissions, of which 6,500,000 square feet were in Toronto. This $1,400,000,000 of investment activity included $835,000,000 of dispositions in our leased urban neighborhoods. We also had a very busy 4th quarter in which over half of our total dispositions closed with the majority of the proceeds used to reduce debt following the temporary spike from our share buyback.

By selling our entire portfolios in markets like Quebec City, Trois Riviere and Red Deer, we have almost no exposure to secondary markets and in turn have increased our exposure to our most super urban positions, most notably those in Toronto. We continue to develop strong partnerships with FCR as the managing partner in portfolios that are urban but not super urban. Roughly 20% of our properties or 10 percent by value fall into this partnership category now and growing. For example, Ottawa is a market we want to continue to participate in, but it lacks some of the super urban attributes that we look for. We now own a 50% interest in virtually all of our properties in Ottawa.

It allows us to benefit from their future upside, enhance our returns through fee income and grow together with our partners using less capital. We'll consider this for other markets and properties that we believe have further upside, but that lack super urban attributes we're targeting. Throughout 2019, we also invested. We invested over $550,000,000 of capital into super urban neighborhoods with roughly 85% of them in Toronto. Neighborhoods like Liberty Village, Yonge and Eglinton and Yorkville, where we expanded our position and acquired a key development site adjacent to Yorkville Village and the Hazleton Hotel.

All three of these Yorkville properties will benefit from being under FCR's common ownership. We're already seeing the impact of our recent investment activity on our key super urban metrics. Our average population density within 5 kilometers our properties improved by 16% from 250,000 people at the beginning of the year to 290,000 people today. We're confident that we will achieve our objective of 300,000 people sometime during 2020, which is ahead of schedule. Transit connectivity is also an important part of our real estate strategy.

Over 99% of our portfolio is now within a 5 minute walk of public transit. I'll now make some comments on our density pipeline, which we believe is the most mispriced element of our company in the capital markets. So surfacing its value is a very important objective for our team. And we took meaningful steps in 2019 to project progress this objective. First off, the pipeline grew.

This is important because it's an indication of the relative upside inherent in our business through densification. It also protects the downside. We started the year with an existing portfolio of 23,900,000 square feet of leasable area. Also had an identified incremental density pipeline of 22,500,000 square feet, representing 94% of our existing portfolio at the time. These numbers are all at FCR's ownership share.

Owing to dispositions, our existing portfolio actually shrunk to 20,900,000 square feet by the end of the year. However, our density pipeline grew. It grew to 25,000,000 square feet now representing 120% of our built portfolio. Growing the pipeline is one thing, surfacing its value is another. An important initial step towards this is through the entitlement process.

Heading into 2019, we had approximately 3,500,000 square feet of our pipeline zone. In 2019, we submitted new zoning entitlements for an additional 9,000,000 square feet of density. As you'll hear from Kay, we have significantly enhanced our disclosure related to our density pipeline. The zoning submissions made in 2019 are detailed by property in this disclosure as well as our current IFRS value for the group. By applying even the most conservative assumptions, it's clear that there is material value to be realized, including for the portion we have conservatively included in our IFRS NAV.

While 2019 was no doubt our biggest year ever for zoning submissions, we are planning an additional 4,000,000 square feet more in 2020, taking our 2 year total to roughly 13,000,000 square feet. Our MD and A now provides insight into the individual properties that comprise our 25,000,000 square foot density pipeline. It also highlights that certain properties haven't been included in our pipeline yet. Properties such as Pemberton Plaza in North Vancouver or the 42 Acres we own under Meadowvale Town Center in Mississauga among many others. It's reasonable to assume that these properties will be densified in the future, but our vision and plans haven't evolved to the point of inclusion yet.

So this is a future growth opportunity. Looking forward to 2020, we are very focused on unearthing the true value of FCR. As we pursue our super urban strategy, we come face to face with the paradox of a successful real estate strategy in the arena of the public markets, quarterly metrics versus mid term and long term value creation. We're well aware that selling our higher yielding properties to reduce debt pressures FFO initially. We're also well focused on the future value creation that our super urban strategy represents in the midterm.

So we will strive to balance metrics like FFO over the short term as we surface the unrealized value in our 25,000,000 square foot density pipeline, all of which is located in the strongest urban growth markets of Canada and have visible runway for continued and material NAV growth. Our management team is up to this challenge. We intend to deliver on our promise to delever and until we do so, future investments will be aimed at enhancing properties which are core to our strategy. We'll continue our efforts to obtain additional entitlements and we are ramping up our efforts to secure partnerships with partners who share our vision of creating thriving urban neighborhoods. The world is witnessing many new challenges and the call for increased attention to ESG matters is increasing rapidly.

Our super urban strategy meshes perfectly with increasing demands from stakeholders related to ESG. Creating a thriving urban neighborhood requires a different vision than managing traditional grocery anchored shopping centers. One which is extremely well aligned with our approach to sustainability and will enable us to make even more progress in this area. Transit oriented locations, parks and public realm within our mixed use developments, minimizing shadow impact and pedestrian friendly projects are as important as our quest for LEED and BOMA best certifications. FCR is proud to have always taken a leadership position in sustainable practices, both for new and existing properties, and we're determined to maintain our leadership position.

I want to conclude by acknowledging the incredible efforts of the FCR team in 2019. It was a tremendous year and it's amazing to see how they have rallied behind our Superb and strategy, our new REIT structure and our new brand. Most importantly, our team has never been stronger and I know they're up to the challenge of executing our new vision. I'll now pass things over to Kaye who will speak to our Q4 and annual results in more detail. Kaye?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Adam. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our call today. As Adam mentioned, it was a transformational and very busy year at FCR. We are quite pleased with all of the progress we made towards achieving our strategic objectives and the strong operating metrics we posted for the year. I would like to highlight some of the key strategic milestones and then take you through the results in more detail.

Early in 2019, we introduced our super urban strategy and the metrics we use to measure our progress in advancing this strategy. These metrics include the average population density within a 5 kilometer radius of our properties, the proximity of our properties to transit, our portfolio's walkability score, growth in our average rental rate, increasing our density pipeline and achieving our disposition targets. We made very good progress across all of these objectives in 2019. As Adam mentioned, our average population density reached 290,000 and is well on track to achieve our target of 300,000. Over 99% of our properties are now located within a 5 minute walk to public transit, up from our Q3 level of 90%.

This improvement was primarily due to the Q4 dispositions of $468,000,000 of properties that were inconsistent with our super urban strategy. Our portfolio's walkability score is 78, which is considered very walkable and where most errands can be accomplished on foot. Our average rental rate grew a record 5% in 2019, well above our 5 year historical average growth rate of 2.4%. During the year, our density pipeline grew by 2,500,000 square feet to 25,000,000 square feet. Currently, 7,100,000 square feet or 28.4 percent of this density, up from 12.9% last year is included in our NAV.

600,000 square feet is included as part of our active developments and the remaining 6,500,000 square feet is valued at 506000000 dollars or $78 per square foot. This is an increase of $349,000,000 over the prior year, due primarily to acquisitions of property with meaningful incremental density potential as well as entitlements received during the year. We include in this $506,000,000 any vacant land parcels or properties we purchased for development, including properties like Christy Cookie, 1071 King Street West, 400 King Street West, Yonge and Roselawn and 140 Yorkville. We also include land parcels adjacent to existing IPP centers, such as those at Plas Portobello and Plas Vio. Zone density that is not encumbered by a lease, such as Phase 1 of Humbertown and Place Panama are also included.

Place Panama would be the largest property in terms of density that's included here as it's zoned for 2,000,000 square feet. Notwithstanding that these properties are currently included in our NAV, this does not mean that there is less upside here than in the rest of our pipeline. For example, our Christy Cookie asset, which is not yet zoned for our intended use, is included here at cost with an incremental density of only 300,000 square feet, which is based on the current in place zoning versus the 3,500,000 square feet we submitted for. Both of these numbers are at our 50% ownership interest in this asset. In April of 2019, we became a widely held company.

This was accomplished via our repurchase of 36,000,000 common shares from Gazit, combined with the closing of the secondary offering by Gazit for an additional 22,000,000 shares. Upon closing of these transactions, Gazit's ownership in FCR declined from 33.3% to 9.9% and since that time, Gazit has sold a portion of its remaining interest in FCR reducing its current ownership to 4.4%. Following the share repurchase, we've been focused on reducing our leverage back to similar levels as at year end 2018 through our disposition program. In 2019, we completed $835,000,000 in dispositions and made good progress towards our deleveraging objective. One of our key strategic objectives for 2019 was converting from a corporation into a real estate investment trust or a REIT.

On December 30, we successfully completed the conversion and began trading on the TSX under the symbol FTR. UN. As a result of the conversion, we expect to be included in the S and PTSX cap REIT index in March of this year. As part of our year end reporting, we enhanced the disclosures around our density pipeline in our MD and A by including a breakdown of the density by urban market. We have also shown the individual list of properties where we have already submitted entitlement applications or plan to submit in 2020.

These properties make up roughly $16,000,000 of the 25,000,000 square feet of incremental density within our portfolio. We have disclosed our active developments as we always do, as well as a list of the additional properties that largely account for the remaining incremental density within our portfolio. As discussed previously, based on current market conditions, we expect to recognize meaningful increases to our IFRS values once approvals for these submissions are received. We have also highlighted properties with meaningful incremental density that are not at the stage where we would include them in our pipeline, but are likely to be included at some point in the future. That summarizes the significant progress we made during 2019 in advancing our super urban strategy.

Now turning to the financial results. On Slide 6 of our conference call deck, which is available on our website in the For 2019, we achieved FFO growth of 2% or $0.02 on a per unit basis. Excluding the costs related to our REIT conversion, FFO per diluted unit increased 3.3% over the prior year. Moving to Slide 7, our same property NOI increased by 3% for the Q4 and 3.3% for the year, driven by rent escalations, higher occupancy levels and higher lease surrender fees. On Slide 8, we show our lease renewal activity.

For the 4th consecutive quarter, we achieved double digit increases on our lease renewal rates when comparing the rental rate in the last year of the expiring term to the 1st year of the renewal term. And for the 7th consecutive quarter, when comparing the rental rate in the last year of the expiring term to the average rental rate in the renewal term. Our total portfolio lease renewal lift for 2019 was a very solid 10.7% on 2,500,000 square feet of renewals using the 1st year of the renewal term and at 12.4% when using the average rental rate in the renewal term. Moving to Slide 9. Our average net rental rate grew a record 5% over the prior year to $21.25 per square foot.

This growth was primarily due to renewal lifts, rent escalations, development completions and dispositions of our leased urban properties. Our development completions for 2019 included 201,000 square feet of new commercial GLA and 247 residential units. The completions were primarily in our mixed use King High Line project located in Liberty Village in Toronto. On Slide 10, our total portfolio occupancy rate increased by 20 basis points over the prior year to 96.9%. Slide 11 highlights our 2019 development spend.

The vast majority of this investment totaling $166,000,000 was in super urban neighborhoods. Slide 12 shows the factors impacting FFO and the year over year changes. Slide 13 touches on our other gains, losses and expenses, which are included in FFO. For the Q4, we recognized $3,100,000 of other expenses, primarily due to REIT conversion cost of $3,000,000 For 2019, we recognized $2,400,000 in net other expenses, primarily due to REIT conversion costs and transaction costs related to the Gazit secondary offering being partially offset by a $4,000,000 gain on a PropTech investment and the additional proceeds we received from Target. Slide 14 summarizes our ACFO metric.

During 2019, we generated $252,000,000 in adjusted cash flow from operations. Slide 15 summarizes our 2019 financing activities. To fund the share repurchase transaction, we put in place $850,000,000 of unsecured bank term loans in the first half of twenty nineteen and repaid $100,000,000 of these loans in the Q4 with proceeds from our disposition activity. Additionally, in July, we completed the issuance of $200,000,000 of 7.5 year unsecured debentures with an interest rate of 3.5% and use the proceeds to repay other debt, including $150,000,000 of maturing debentures with a much higher interest rate of 5.6%. Slide 16 summarizes the size of our operating credit facilities and our unencumbered asset pool as well as our key financial ratios.

At year end, dollars 7,000,000,000 or 69 percent of our assets were unencumbered and we had approximately 800,000,000 of availability under our revolving credit facility. As previously stated, we have a goal to return our leverage metrics to similar levels as at year end 2018 within 2 years of the share repurchase transaction. We made good progress in the quarter with debt to assets declining quarter over quarter from 48.9 percent to 46.7 percent and debt to EBITDA declining from 10.8x to 10.0x. Our path to achieve our targets will show a steady decline in our debt to asset ratio. However, this will not be the case for debt to EBITDA, given EBITDA is calculated on a trailing 12 month basis and debt is at a point in time.

We expect an uptick in this metric in the first half of twenty twenty, but that it will remain below Q3 twenty nineteen levels, followed by a decline in the second half of the year to below Q4 twenty nineteen levels. Slide 17 shows our term debt ladder. Over the course of 2019, our weighted average interest rate declined from 4 0.2% to 4%. Looking forward to 2020, we expect same property NOI growth to be in the range of 2% to 3%. We expect our 2020 lease renewal lift to be in the range of 8% to 10%.

We plan to invest between $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 in development and we expect our development completions to be a similar amount at $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 We expect to take a small amount of space offline for development, approximately 40,000 square feet of GLA, primarily in Phase 2 of our Wilderton project as construction continues. At the start of our disposition program, we stated we were targeting approximately $1,500,000,000 in dispositions. During 2019, we completed $835,000,000 of dispositions. Based on the strategic acquisitions we made in Q3 we expect to exceed our $1,500,000,000 target. As a result of the progress we made in 2019 against our disposition program and related deleveraging targets, our portfolio today has higher quality assets with increased density and stronger growth profiles and less downside risk, making it more desirable and more attractive than ever before.

All of this is very positive, but in the short term, there is an impact to FFO and as such, we do expect FFO to decline in 2020. Notwithstanding this, we do expect continued growth in NAV during the year and growth in FFO to resume in 2021. Overall, we are very pleased with the progress we made in 2019. It was a truly remarkable year for FCR, and I would like to congratulate and thank our entire team for their outstanding efforts and accomplishments during the year. We are very proud of all the milestones that our team achieved and look forward to executing on our strategy and objectives in the year ahead.

At this time, we would be happy to answer any questions you have. Operator, can you please open the call for questions?

Speaker 1

Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. The first question is from Mark Rothschild. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. In regard to your same property NOI, to what extent was that 3% impacted from asset sales that may have been a slower growth asset? And looking forward, do you expect leasing spreads to accelerate and be stronger in 2020 following the large number of asset sales?

Speaker 3

Hi, Mark. Thanks for your questions. In 2019, there was very little impact on same property NOI from asset sales. So our view longer term is that the assets we're investing in have a better growth profile than the assets we're selling. Although the assets we're selling do have a growth profile, just not as strong or compelling based on what we see over the longer term.

But as you know, year to year, sometimes things happen and you can't read too much into trends 1 year to the next. 2019 was an example of that. So there was actually very little impact on same property NOI based on assets moving buckets as a result of dispositions. And sorry, just so I'm clear on your second question, would you mind repeating it?

Speaker 5

Yes. In regard to leasing spreads that have been around the low double digit range, would you expect that to be stronger in 2020 following the asset sales that you completed last year? Yes.

Speaker 3

Again, it's hard to say in any one year, but Kay provided, I guess, soft guidance on kind of 8% to 10% expected for 2020. I can tell you the way our leasing group budgets, we've consistently exceeded what they have budgeted in terms of lease renewal lifts. We'll see if that's the case in 2020. So I would say, we've had we've seen an acceleration in the lifts on renewals over the past year. And so our expectation is that we continue to hang in at around that range.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Thanks. And my only other question in regards to the entitlements and the different tables on D and A and the $9,000,000 that you submitted this past year. Can you maybe quantify somewhat on what would the value be in the market to the extent, one of these assets would trade now on a maybe on a buildable first foot on the residential side? And then how would that change pre and post entitlement?

Speaker 3

Well, I mean, look, we've got a pretty wide range when you look at the properties that are included in that list. So we have some density in South Surrey that's kind of at the low end of the range and that would be mid double digit values today. And then we've got density at the opposite end of the range that's in the neighborhood of $300 a buildable foot for that type of density. I'm talking residential density, the commercial is typically higher, but the residential density is the lion's share of it. So the reason we put this disclosure in is again to support our objective of trying to surface some of this unrecognized value that we see in the pipeline.

And so we think that for stakeholders, they can take a look at this list. They can go into the actual submissions, which is public information, and they can form a view on based on work that if they're prepared to do or the knowledge of the market, they can form a view on the rough value of each of these properties and the density and how much density is expected and then compare that to the IFRS NAV. So we our goal was to provide disclosure that can get people into a ballpark with an educated set of assumptions. And so we obviously have our view. We've got to be careful given these our zoning submissions, not completions.

And so we're in some cases, in some circumstances, we're in sensitive discussions with stakeholders like the city and community. So we're reluctant to talk more about that at this stage, but we think we've provided the information that allows investors to get into the ballpark.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you, Mark.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Dean Wilkinson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Hi. Adam, maybe just a follow-up on Mark's question. On the 6,500,000 density that's currently valued at 506, that's 78 per square foot.

Give a range of sort of the low and the high on where those density figures are? I mean, you've seen some numbers sort of core GTA where you might be pushing as high as $200 per square foot for some of these? And just trying to get a sense of the range of that and looking at the $9,000,000 that's sort of in the hopper?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, GTA, you could say $200,000,000 Toronto proper, which is where the majority of this is located, in many of these neighborhoods, it's well north of that. So I mean, it's very tough to put a specific value on it. And again, we've tried to lay it out. The one thing that I think is very important to flag is that because it's included in our IFRS NAV does not mean that we've taken on market value for the density and applied it by the expected density.

In fact, the majority of it is carried at our cost. But if we buy a piece of land, Christy Kooki is a great example, it's sitting in our IFRS NAV, but it's sitting at our IFRS NAV at our cost. And the density that's been included in the NAV is the in place zone density, which is about 300,000 square feet at FCR share. So I want to make it very clear that while it's included in our IFRS NAV, that should not be directly linked to the expected zone value. So in fact, there are some properties that are included in our IFRS NAV that on successful zoning, we think we'll have more of an increase in value than some of the properties that aren't even included in the NAV.

So I think it's an important distinction. We our policy on how we value this density and when it gets included in the pipeline, when it gets included in IFRS NAV, I would say given the options is more on the conservative side. And so until we have a lot of clarity around the zoning that will be achieved, I would say there's a pretty big gap between what it's carried out on our balance sheet, if it's carried at all and what that value is.

Speaker 6

And then in terms of the process of that markup, so as soon as you've got sort of the entitlement and the approval in hand, do you then go back and look at, okay, so now we'll put a value per square foot on those buildable approved footages or is it in reference to the market? Okay, So you look at it.

Speaker 3

Yes. Yes. That's what we do. And in some cases, like in the case of 400 King Street, we reached a settlement with City Council. And so in our view, we've now removed the rezoning risk.

And so that did trigger a write up that the formal rezoning will take place sometime in the next couple of months, Jody? In March, okay. Okay. So technically, it's not rezoned, but from a practical perspective, we have a settlement with the city on what the zoning will be. And so that was good enough for us to have our appraiser factor that into the valuation that triggered a write up.

Speaker 6

Got it. And can you remind us when you get those approvals and you get that write up in place, is there an increased component of carry visavis tax assessment or anything to that effect or it's just a valuation exercise?

Speaker 3

Yes, it's just evaluation exercise. I mean, it depends on the municipality. Some will charge your taxes on the highest and best use whether you've pursued a path of rezoning to that use or not and others. So it depends on the municipality, but typically there is not a correlation between carrying cost tax assessment versus when we included in our IFRS NAV or when we write things up based on rezoning progress.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then in terms of how you're looking at those, the debt metrics, have you incorporated any of this forward view of that zoning? Or would that tend to sort of be accretive to your debt measures, at least on a book value basis as they come in?

Speaker 3

Yes, we haven't I mean, unfortunately fortunately, the majority of this density is in Toronto. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a backlog in the city getting the zoning done. So our expectation is that the rezoning for the majority of this density will be achieved past the I guess the initial milestone date that we set, which was 2 years from last April. So we have not baked that in. But if we fast forward past that time period, our expectation is that some of this density will get developed by us, some of it will sell a partial interest to a strategic partner and co develop and some of it, I would expect we will sell outright.

And so obviously, the sale of outright air rights is very positive for debt metrics with little to no earnings accretion. So that bodes very well for starting to look at 2021, 20 22, 2023, but we haven't factored it into what we've been talking to the market about in terms of our shorter term debt metric objectives.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. And then just sort of a final small housekeeping for me. Looking at the Montreal assets, looks like the counter to maybe the rest of your markets, the average rents in place there went down a tick from last year. Was there a big lease renewal or something that happened in there? Or was that sale of assets would have driven that difference?

Speaker 3

The only thing that no, we didn't have rents go down in Montreal. We sold assets, but the assets we sold had a lower average rent than what we hung on to. So maybe we take this offline, Dean, and you can show us what you're looking at and we'll help walk through it. Is it Yes.

Speaker 6

It's a disclosure on Page 8, that second line item. So okay, that'd be great.

Speaker 3

We'll take a look at it right after this and get back to you. Sounds good. I will hand it back. Thanks everyone. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Yohann Rodriguez. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. Sorry, just a couple of clarifications that the $506,000,000 or rather the $6,500,000 Square Feet, that's made up of all of the pre-twenty 19 entitlement and some portion of the 2019 or?

Speaker 4

Hi, Yohan. Yohan, it's Kaye. In terms of what I said in my script, I'll just kind of go back to that. So any vacant land parcel or property that we purchased for redevelopment is included in that $506,000,000 So that's certainly a portion of it. And I referenced some assets like Christy Cookie, 1071 King Street West, Yonge and Roselawn, 140 Yorkville.

So that's one component. Excess land parcels adjacent to IPP centers, that's another component, because we've got to value those land parcels at something. They're valued separately than the IPP centers. And I mentioned Plas Portovelo, Plas Vio as both having examples of that. And then the third one would be the zone density.

And so I mentioned Phase 1 of Humbertown and Plas Panama, Both of those are unencumbered by leases. So they would be included in this number.

Speaker 7

Okay. So on the pre-twenty 19 entitlement applications, you've got 8 properties there. Only the first two, Panama and Humberton, are included in that figure and then the remaining 6 are not?

Speaker 4

The majority would be included there because they are zoned as referenced in the table above. Not all of these are zoned. So something like Applebee Village is one of the properties that's not zoned. So it would not be included at this stage.

Speaker 7

Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And then I just want to make sure I heard you guys correctly. In terms of the 1.5 $1,000,000,000 you mentioned at the end that you expected to exceed that total.

Was that because you expect better pricing on the sales or you plan on selling additional properties?

Speaker 8

Both. Yes, both.

Speaker 3

I mean, part of it is when we set the $1,500,000,000 target, that was strictly related to getting our leverage back to where it was, with little expected in the way of acquisitions and then a couple of very strategic ones materialized in Q3, which you would have seen. And so part of it is an uptick from that. Part of it is our conviction and the ability to continue to execute because if you say we're half done the first half in terms of assets, depth of the market for buyers, pricing, etcetera, the first half expected to be tougher than the second half, just given the quality of the assets and the way the environment is and where there's capital and demand for the types of different properties in the various markets. So it's a combination of the acquisitions we did, which kind of required that to go up a bit, slightly better pricing expected, and that's the main reason. Okay.

Speaker 7

And then the soft guidance of 2% to 3% same property NOI, is that stable same property NOI or does that include development?

Speaker 3

Yes. As you know, we there's development of any consequence. It's not included in same property at all. So that other bucket that you're referring to is the one we look at. And in some cases, it's we end up demolishing space.

So we see development trigger a reduction in the leasable areas. So if there's any development of any consequence, the property is not in same property period in any bucket. So it's the but we look at total same property. That's the reference it's been made to. Okay.

Speaker 7

I'll turn it back.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks, Johan.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Sam Damiani. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone.

Speaker 6

Just on the

Speaker 8

FFO guidance, aside from being down a little bit year over year in 2020. Can you be a little more specific on the quantity, talking $0.01 to $0.02 $0.03 to $0.04

Speaker 3

Look, I'm sure Kaye wants to jump in on this one. But before she does, we sold $835,000,000 of real estate this year. The majority, not all, but the majority is IPP. I would describe this as the bottom of our portfolio. I hate using that word because most of this real estate is actually good real estate.

But the average cap rate was about 6%. Okay. So I mean if you just run the simple math on the spread between the 6% and the cost of debt, you can get into a certain level of dilution pretty quickly. So I think that's an important starting point. Jay?

Speaker 4

Yes, I'm happy to jump in. So within the MD and A, we've made disclosure on the NOI loss from dispositions, the NOI from acquisitions. We show you development completions. We show you development yield. We've given you soft guidance on same property NOI growth.

And you know there's an impact from the weighted average unit change given the share repurchase transaction. I think if you triangulate on that data, you can come very close to coming up with a good estimate for FFO next year.

Speaker 8

That's why they pay us the big bucks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Very big bucks.

Speaker 8

But yes, well, that's another matter. But I guess when we look at dispositions, I mean, dollars 800,000,000 last year, that's a pretty wholesome pace. Do you see continuing that level in 2020 or perhaps transacting a little more slowly in the near term?

Speaker 3

Look, at this stage, we're still early in the year, but I would say that based on what we see now, we think it's likely we come in, in the same type of neighborhood. The assets are a little better that we're looking to divest of. There's going to be more partial interests than over last year, which actually makes it easier for us. We actually have a number of institutional investors that are much more keen to buy partial interest with us as their partner than 100% interest. The environment in general, there appears to be more capital looking for investment in the type of real estate that we'd be looking to divest than there was last year at this time.

So based on what we see now, it's likely to be a similarly active year in 2020, which works well for us because we there's a clear relationship between the level of dispositions we do and the deleveraging. And we're confident that especially based on the assets we sell that the dilution to earnings from selling these properties given the growth profile of the business on what remains, we think we should get adequate multiple expansion to offset that.

Speaker 8

Okay, that's helpful. And the added disclosure this quarter is very helpful. So thank you for that. And just to finish off on the $506,000,000 back to that, the handful of properties that you mentioned, most of which were in Toronto, and the only one it seems that actually has or effectively has its zoning in place is foreigner King. So is it fair to say that

Speaker 3

That's actually the one that doesn't have that one we expect will have its full zoning in March. Appleby Village does not have the zoning yet. We expect that relatively soon. But the rest do. So Panama zoning is in place, Humbertown is in place, Will Dooten is in place, Long Street actually is not in place and then the last 2 Rutherford and 200 West Esplanade are in place.

Speaker 8

Okay. I was actually referring to, I think it was Kaye mentioned a handful of properties in that bucket being Christy Cuckey, 1071 King, Florida King, Yonge and Roselawn, 140 Yorkville?

Speaker 3

Okay. So, yes, this is the group properties that we submitted for in 2019.

Speaker 8

And sorry, those

Speaker 4

are Yes. And

Speaker 3

Sam. Those are

Speaker 8

at 506, isn't that right?

Speaker 4

That's correct. And some of those are recent acquisitions. So you take 140 Yorkville, it would be included at the cost we acquired it at.

Speaker 8

Right. And what square footage would you have for that asset? Because you don't have

Speaker 3

a Christie?

Speaker 8

No, for 140 Yorkville.

Speaker 3

Well, 140 Yorkville, we it actually technically is zoned. We're looking for a rezoning to change things. So the what we would have adopted is the zoning that's in place.

Speaker 8

The $78 a foot does seem on the low side for most of the properties that you mentioned. So I just wanted to Yes,

Speaker 3

yes, it is. It is. But this is why we wanted to put the disclosure out because just because we say it's in our IFRS NAV doesn't mean there's not a lot of value to be realized on rezoning. So, obviously, 140 Yorkville is in our NAV at a higher number than $78 a foot. But when you look at the group and that's why it was important for us to put this out and you use reasonable assumptions, it's clear that there's a lot of value to be realized on rezoning.

So we're not telling you the $7 to $8 a foot is current market value. We're trying to give you a data point that people can make assumptions on and basically get into a ballpark on what is expected in terms of value creation on the full successful zoning of these properties.

Speaker 8

Okay. And just finally, then I'll turn it back is on the list of 2019 applications, which are the first one or 2 larger properties where you expect to receive approval?

Speaker 9

Hi, Sam. It's Jody. Good afternoon. Hi, Jody. So we have we submitted for 13 applications in 2019.

The ones that are, I think, more advanced than the others, 1071 King is pretty well advanced, so we expect to see that complete itself very soon. Following that, I'd say Yonge and Roseland, it would be the next one that should happen. And then over in Montreal, Plaza Bay du Fe will come later on as well. So I'm sort of giving you a general idea of what we expect to happen. 1071 King and Young Roselawn being, I'd say, the very next wave that will come through.

And then following that, we have things like Semiahmoo, Royal Orchard, 801 York Mills in Toronto that will come following. I'd say further down the list, Christy Cookie is a big process as you know and so and we submitted official plan application last year. 2020 will be the Christy Cuckey zoning submission. And so we have a big process for there. So that's a bit further down the line.

But the rest of them are over the next 12 months, we should see some of these early ones come through.

Speaker 8

That's great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Sam.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Pammi Bir. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks and good afternoon. I think most of my questions were answered. Just maybe one to clarify on the, I guess, recognition of value for zoning. Just to clarify, so once it's zoned, you will then or successfully rezoned, you would then recognize value. But then do they also need to be unencumbered by leases?

Because I do recall there was some commentary and I think you've made reference to that in the past.

Speaker 3

Absolutely, yes. Look, there's a couple of catalysts and triggers for a variety of milestones that range from being included in the pipeline to begin with, because I can tell you the pipeline after combing all the properties is much bigger than 25,000,000 square feet. But until we have, in our view, a credible visible plan that can be executed, it doesn't get included. And then once it gets rezoned, rezoning is great, but there's other things that impact the value and lease encumbrance is 1. And so to the extent there is an encumbrance, whether it's from leasing or otherwise, then absolutely that will play into the overall valuation for IFRS purposes.

Speaker 10

And then just on the 2019 applications that were filed, I guess on the almost 9,000,000 square feet, Any rough sense of what I guess the weighted average lease term left on these properties is?

Speaker 3

Most of them are pretty clean. I mean Dufferin Corners is probably one of the more encumbered ones. Staples, Lougheed, we're 7 years max of term, could be as low as 2. Cote St. Luke has some encumbrances.

I think the rest are pretty clean.

Speaker 10

Okay. So it looks like then with the exception of those 2 or 3 properties, to your comment earlier that it could take maybe a couple of years for this to get through the process, maybe 3. Fair to say that maybe in 2020, there's perhaps not as much value recognized this year, but as it gets through, it could be lumpy. In other words, I guess 2021 2022 could be bigger years for actual recognition of value?

Speaker 3

Look, I think as time goes on over the next few years, given we have entitlements in 2019 that's getting added to in 2020 that will get added to in 2021. Yes, I'd say it's safe to say as time goes on that the value creation from this program is going to accelerate.

Speaker 5

Got it. The other thing

Speaker 3

that's worth noting sorry, Pammi. The other thing that's worth noting that's tied to your question is, properties being encumbered is not a new thing for us. So we can go back to a lot of things we've developed over the last number of years and they were encumbered, but we find ways to unencumber them. We have good relationships with a lot of the national tenants that encumber some of these properties. The value creation is such that we have some chips to work with to help facilitate it getting unencumbered.

And so it's not that it's encumbered and there's nothing we can do about it. For retailers that are there, there's ways that and tenants that are there, there's ways that we can deal with it in a way that's a win win for both sides. In a lot of cases, we can offer a tenant a new format, whether it's bigger, smaller, different location, better loading, better access exposure, change in lease terms, all sorts of tools we have to help facilitate that. So if we have included it in an entitlement application, you should definitely assume we have a vision to get at that density in a reasonable period of time, including where it's encumbered.

Speaker 10

Got it. Just one last one, as we are generally in a weaker typically weaker period of Q1 for closures, your generally seen much of that. Can you maybe just comment on what you're seeing in the broader retail market in terms of, I guess, seasonal closures through Q1 so far?

Speaker 3

Yes. I'll have Kharms with us as well. So he's kind of on the front line of that. I'll pass it over to him. I'll caveat by saying our business is a very specific subsector of retail and it's we're far less exposed to retailers that sell discretionary goods and services and retailers that are more trouble.

If you look at a lot of the bankruptcies that have happened over the last 2 or 3 years, there's been almost no impact in the FCR portfolio. And if you look at when our tenants, where we do have defaults, it's been pretty steady for many years now and not a lot of seasonality to it. But I'll turn it over to Carm to explain to you from his perspective what he's been seeing on the ground.

Speaker 11

Hi, Pammi.

Speaker 9

Hi, Carm.

Speaker 11

Tenant closures have been relatively consistent for us over the Hey, Carmen. Tenant closures have been relatively consistent

Speaker 3

for us over the past

Speaker 11

3 years. What we've seen in the marketplace is pretty much normal churn. And we always view this as an opportunity in many cases to replace tire tenants with better offerings. Not surprising, some of the more active closure categories we are seeing are some of our most active new categories, such as full service restaurants, health and beauty, QSR and medical offices. Many of these are owner or franchise operated, many are retiring, many haven't invested in their businesses or haven't innovated and they're being replaced by quite frankly just better operators.

So we're not seeing anything

Speaker 12

yet that's caused us. A lot

Speaker 3

of times we like the use, we still believe in the use and we replace the operator with the same use and with success. So But it's very tough in our business. There's not a lot of seasonality. When you look at the sales patterns, obviously, the end of the year is a little higher than other parts, but not nearly to the same magnitude of like fashion type retail and more discretionary type retail.

Speaker 10

Yes. No, understood. Just trying to get a pulse on what you're seeing from the ground in the broader market, but that was very helpful. Thanks very much.

Speaker 3

Okay. Well, I'm surprised it was very helpful, but I'm glad you found it that way, Pammi.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Jenny Ma. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Thanks. Good afternoon. Just want to clarify, point about dispositions and the leverage. So, you say that you 15% of asset sales? Or is it based on the additional sales that you talked about earlier in the call?

Speaker 3

Well, firstly, we're going to get back to where we were on debt to assets before debt to EBITDA because of the just the way our investment activities have evolved. So I would say it's in between. It's also going to depend on where our investment spend comes in, in 2020. So it's a little bit fluid and I don't think the goalposts are super wide on the dispositions. So I don't know if that's helpful or not, Jenny, but we don't have like an exact debt metric on $1,500,000,000 versus some of the other assumptions we made, Jenny, do we?

Speaker 4

No. But I would assume that for your purpose, Jenny, that our target, as I said, is above the $1,500,000,000 So you should be assuming a number above that for your debt metric calculations.

Speaker 13

Okay. Yes, there's a lot of moving parts obviously. Would it be reasonable to assume a range because a year ago

Speaker 4

you sort of started at

Speaker 13

that 10% to 15% mark? Would 15% to 20% be a reasonable range for total dispositions after this program is all said and done?

Speaker 3

I think it's in that range. I doubt we'll get to the top end of your range.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then I would add, Jenny, that dispositions have always been a part of our business. So even when the disposition program concludes, I wouldn't say that you should expect no dispositions going forward after that.

Speaker 13

Okay. And then I want to talk a little bit about pricing. So it looks like based on your disclosure that it came in at about 5 point 6% on the 2019 stuff. But if we just look at the much smaller held for sale bucket, it looks like the implied cap on that is closer to 6.5.

Speaker 4

So I'm just wondering if you

Speaker 13

could talk about what you expect in the fulsome disposition program if 6.5 is sort of indicative of that second half or is that very specific to the held for sale bucket?

Speaker 3

Yes, it's specific to the held for sale bucket. I think what you're taking to get to the 5,600,000 is the NOI that we've disclosed on dispositions divided by the 835,000,000 dollars But the 835,000,000 includes a little bit of error rates. So on our math, the cap rate is close to 6, not 5%, 6%, so 6%. That's what for the IPP dispositions we made, it's in that range, just under 6 percent. Okay.

That's helpful. I'd say at this stage, that's probably a look, in our internal models, we're using 6%. I'll be disappointed if it's not slightly lower than 6%, but we're using 6%.

Speaker 4

Okay, great.

Speaker 13

And then you did mention that you expect

Speaker 4

some more JVs with some institutional partners. Just wondering if

Speaker 13

you can comment on for some of the exits in the smaller markets, what kind of buyer profile you're seeing for these assets? Like for example, in Red Deer or Trois Rivier, who's coming to the table in those markets?

Speaker 3

Trois Rivier was a private local investor. Red Deer is a private REIT. So we're seeing I mean, if you look at the broader program, it's been small public REITs, small and medium sized pension funds, private equity capital, large family offices that have a focus on specific geographic regions, life assurance companies.

Speaker 12

Yes, local players.

Speaker 3

Yes. Okay.

Speaker 4

So it's

Speaker 3

been pretty broad based and that's where we continue to see demand. If there's the uptick we've seen is a little deeper in what I would describe as more of the institutional bucket, where institutions that were quite adverse to investing additional capital in retail have now kind of analyzed the various buckets of retail and found grocery anchored retail as a compelling place to be. And that was not the case a year ago.

Speaker 13

Okay. That's great to hear. And my last question is, can you provide an update on the leasing of the residential component of King High Line?

Speaker 3

Yes, we can.

Speaker 9

Hi, Jenny, it's Jody. Happy to answer that question. So as of now, this week, we're at 263 out of 5 0 6 units. And so we're very pleased with this. We're well on track and we're but more importantly, we're actually getting the leasing rates that we're looking for, which is north of $4 a foot.

And so it's going according to plan.

Speaker 3

Yes, we started I really cap rate our operating partner on the resi component started leasing that mid year 2019. We've had a lot of dialogue with them. There's a clear relationship between leasing velocity and rent. They have a very strong conviction that we have the right balance right now. So we could certainly lease it up quicker, but they feel and we're very well aligned given the deal structure.

So we defer to them on this, and they feel we have a very, very good balance between leasing velocity and the rental rates that we're achieving.

Speaker 13

And just one more quick question. Remind me that if this one doesn't get rent controlled because of the timing of completion, is that the case?

Speaker 9

No, we're not subject to rent control because the legislation changed and it changed at the perfect time for us. So we're out of that.

Speaker 13

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jenny. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Tal Woolley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Hi, good afternoon.

Speaker 3

Hi, Tal.

Speaker 8

Adam, I'm wondering, like just

Speaker 14

to go back to Jenny and Johan's questions just about dispositions, you're sort of talking about maybe upsizing the program a little bit over the longer term. I'm just wondering if we go out even further, like when you're talking to the Board, when you're talking amongst your management team, like what is the right mix of grocery anchored retail versus mixed use for the future? Like what do you guys see that mix ultimately being?

Speaker 3

We talk about the mix of not by asset class, but by quality of real estate and investment in super urban neighborhoods. So we that's where the focus is. So we look at some retail and we say this is phenomenal retail. We have a lot of conviction that a lot of money can be made on it without densification just in its current form over the next 5, 10, 20 years. And then we look at other retail and we say, but we don't have the same level of conviction.

We look at some of the office space we own, same thing. Some of the residential space, same thing. So it's really about the quality of the real estate. We don't have targets mixed use resi, retail. We want phenomenal real estate and every year that goes by we want the bar on average portfolio quality to continue to rise.

Speaker 14

So it's not a question of like if someone came in and bid for 20% of your retail at 5% premium to NAV, you'd be a taker of that right away? Like that's not your view at all?

Speaker 3

Sorry, can you repeat that, Tom?

Speaker 14

I was just going to say, if someone if there were if we could take that sort of transaction costs and the timing and everything out of it and if someone came in with a really solid bid for like a significant chunk of your existing sort of retail portfolio, that's not necessarily a bid you would take today?

Speaker 3

No, it depends on the real estate.

Speaker 5

Okay.

Speaker 14

On the $506,000,000 in density value in the NAV, what's the current loan to value outstanding against those properties that are included in that?

Speaker 3

Probably close to 0, but

Speaker 4

Yes, I would have to take a look at it, Tal. I don't know that number off the top of my head, but the majority of our assets are unencumbered. So high level, I would say, you can assume a small amount.

Speaker 3

And where we have encumbered properties, generally, they're properties that are chunky in size and where we don't anticipate making a lot of changes to them over the next 10 years. So it's unlikely that we have debt on any of these properties.

Speaker 14

Okay. And then I guess just my last question, we saw a fairly significant trade of urban focused portfolio of retail assets in the States with Palman getting bought this week. Do you have any thoughts, feelings about how that when you look at that, there was a set of very highly productive retail assets with good locations that could be redeveloped. Obviously, I've been talking with some investors, some parallels were drawn between yourself and there. What was your sort of looking at that transaction, what did you how did you feel about how it should go in terms of valuation?

Speaker 3

Look, the market is very different there and that's a different retail asset class than what we own. So we didn't draw a lot of similarities or a lot of strong takeaways to our business or the environment in Canada. Okay, perfect. Thanks very much guys. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Mike Markidis. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Hi, thanks. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just two parts here. First, looking at the entitlements that you have outstanding in your existing pipeline that's actually active and in production, what can we expect to get added over the next 12 months or so would be the first part? And then second part, just given the way that's expected to evolve, how should we be thinking about your development investment in 2021 2022 versus the $150,000,000 to $200,000,000 that you expect this

Speaker 3

year? Thanks. Okay. I'll answer the second question and then Jody, if you don't mind taking the first one. So look, right now, the first step in this process of unearthing some of this unrecognized value for us is through the rezoning process.

And that's going to take the better part to 2 years. So once we realize that uplift from securing entitlements, then we're going to have various options. We can most of these are income producing properties, so we can do nothing for a period of time and continue to grow the cash flow from the existing tenants. And these are generally neighborhoods that are getting better and better over time. So we can do that.

We can initiate developing the density on our own. We can sell a partial interest to strategic partners. And in some cases, we can outright sell the density where there isn't a strong of a strategic fit for First Capital. We're likely to do all of those. The mix of the various buckets is going to have to be determined as we get closer.

We'll make decisions for each property and the overall program. We're going to look at a bunch of factors besides the strategic fit of the properties and the amount of development profit to be realized by taking it through the full development process, our overall capacity, both human resource wise, but also capital and balance sheet wise. And if you look at how much has changed over the last 2 years, you can understand why it would be reluctant to commit to what the magnitude will look like in 2 or 3 years from now. What we know is it's a great road that leads to great things where we go from there. We have a lot have lots of options, but it would be premature for us to start indicating at this stage what concrete steps we'll take, how much our development spend will change by, if any, at that time.

It's just a little too early.

Speaker 15

Okay. And then just in terms of any of the pre-twenty 19s that you think might get put into production in the next 12 months or so? Or is that still too early to say at this point?

Speaker 3

No, I think we can give you some color around at least some of those.

Speaker 9

Hi, Mike, it's Jody. So in terms of the pre-twenty 19, the 8 that are on the list, these are other than, as we mentioned, 400 King, which is got settled with City of Toronto Council last July.

Speaker 3

Sorry, Jody, I think correct us if we're wrong, Mike, but I think your question is what of these will actually go into production in terms of construction? Correct. Was that your question?

Speaker 15

It was. Thank you.

Speaker 9

Okay. Very good. Okay. So on the pre-nineteen list, is that what you're looking at or just Well,

Speaker 15

just generally, sure.

Speaker 9

Generally. Okay. So, well, what we there's some that we have partnerships already established. So those are going to go into production very soon. So, 1st phase of Humbertown, so that's a pre-nineteen, it's been zoned for

Speaker 4

a while. And our partner is Tridel, so

Speaker 9

we expect that to go be in UD next year in 2021, in the Q1, so the early part of next year. 400 King would move into production as well. That's getting zoned. Wilderton Phase 2 will also be 2021. As soon as Phase 1 is complete, Phase 2 gets to start and we have a partner as well for Wilderton Phase 2.

Longstreet already has some base zoning, but we partnered with a local developer and we're going to increase our zoning. So we're going to try and get some more density and I would expect that will be in production in the next couple of years. Rutherford Marketplace, that's 50 townhomes where we partnered with Green Park. Those have done very well with presales and so those homes are going to start construction as soon as we're out of winter. And we'll close on a to be a local partner there in North Vancouver, Cresi, and we'll be in UD on that one at the end of this year, probably Q4.

So following that, the 2019 submissions, obviously, those have to go through the zoning process. But as I mentioned earlier, things like Yonge and Roselawn and 1071 King are well advanced. 1071 King, we have a partner already. And so as soon as we go to get our entitlements, it's a vacant piece of land. So that will be in production, I would say in 2021.

And then the list will continue from there. So I would expect that we have a sizable amount that will start in 2021 and there will be probably 2 that will start later this year. We also expect Panama Phase 1 could start at the end of this year or early next year. As well, not a mixed use development, Leaside, adjacent to our Leaside Shopping Center, retail expansion of the shopping center is already in UD and that will complete in the next year in 2021.

Speaker 15

That was very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The following question is from Sam Damiani. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks. Just a follow-up on some leasing, either for Carm or I'm not sure if Jordi is in the room, but how is the lease up of the BREW district and also 1 Bloor East? Okay.

Speaker 3

They're both in the room and I think you're going to get to hear from both of them on this one.

Speaker 12

Thanks, Andy. With respect to sorry, with respect to One Bloor, I would say the lease up as you know, has been slower than we would have liked. But I would say to you in light of the performance of Nordstrom's, McEwen's and the opening of Chick Fil A which has received a lot of attention. By virtue of that we are starting to get a tremendous amount of inbound calls And I would suggest to you, we are confident about the prospects going forward. It's a great piece of real estate.

As you know, it's one that we have strong conviction about. And we know at the end of the day, it's going to be worth more than we paid for.

Speaker 8

I hear there's a Tokyo Smoke opening up at 1 Bloor. Is that a firm deal or are they I think they're advertising?

Speaker 12

That is a firm deal. Yes, they are in possession and in fact paying rent.

Speaker 8

What unit are they taking?

Speaker 12

They're taking the Bloor Street frontage or a portion of the Bloor Street frontage at grade.

Speaker 8

Grade, okay.

Speaker 3

Yes. So we don't have much left there now. And we like Jordi said, we're in negotiations actually with a couple of groups for the balance, but there's not much left at this point. Okay, Brewery District.

Speaker 11

All right, Brewery District. Hi, Sam. As a reminder, this project is a 300,000 square foot mixed use project retail and office. As you would typically expect, early on, we experienced very strong leasing velocity. We finalized significant deals with Loblaw, Shoppers Drug Mart, Mac, Good Life, Winners, TD Bank.

Deal velocity has slowed, but the centers continue to draw interest. And in the second half of the year, we actually finalized about 35,000 square feet of deals consisting some office tenants and medical use, fast food and a 23,000 square foot second floor retail box, which was the toughest space to lease because it could not be, demised. So and we're also in active negotiations with an additional restaurant and other large retail format group. So things are good.

Speaker 3

So brewery, to Karim's point, it took a little longer than we expected to get through the final space, but credit to him and his team that they did a lot of legwork and really broke the back on the balances towards the second half of the year. So we would have thought it would happen earlier, but a lot of progress towards the end of last year.

Speaker 8

That's great. Good update. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Sam.

Speaker 1

Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. I'll now turn the meeting back over to Mr. Paul.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you very much, operator. Thank you, everyone, for your time this afternoon. Your continued interest in First Capital clearly continues to be a very busy time, and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the near future. Thank you very much.

Have a great afternoon.

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