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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 11, 2022

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to MDA's conference call and webcast. This call is being recorded on May 11th, 2022 at 8:30 A.M. Eastern Time. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. If anyone experiences difficulties hearing the conference, please press star followed by zero for operator assistance. I would like to turn the call over to Shereen Zahawi, Senior Director of Investor Relations at MDA. Please go ahead.

Shereen Zahawi
Senior Director of Investor Relations, MDA Space

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to MDA's Q1 2022 earnings call. Mike Greenley, our CEO, and Vito Culmone, our CFO, will lead today's call and share some prepared remarks before taking your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that today's call will include estimates and other forward-looking information which may differ from actual results.

Please review the cautionary language in today's press release and public filings regarding various factors, assumptions, and risks that could cause actual results to differ. In addition, during this call, we will refer to certain non-IFRS financial measures. Although we believe these measures provide useful supplemental information about our financial performance, these measures do not have any standard, standardized meaning under IFRS, and our approach in calculating these measures may differ from that of other issuers and therefore may not be directly comparable.

Please see the company's quarterly report and other public filings for more information about these measures, including reconciliations to the nearest IFRS measures. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Mike.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Good morning. Thank you, Shereen. Good morning, and thank you to those joining us today to discuss our first quarter 2022 financial results. We are pleased with our performance this quarter. We remain focused on converting opportunities in our sizable funnel, and the team did a great job executing on commitments to customers amid a challenging macro environment.

From a strategy perspective, we are executing on the priorities we've outlined for our three business areas to capitalize on the growth prospects we see in our end markets. In satellite systems, we are investing in new technologies and capabilities to accelerate our transition from analog to digital payloads and building up our high-volume satellite manufacturing capacity to strengthen our position as more low Earth orbit or LEO constellation opportunities come to market.

In robotics and space operations, we are leveraging our global leadership in space robotics innovation and long history of success with Canadarm to win follow-on space agency work and engage with a full slate of new and exciting commercial opportunities as they emerge to provide both proven technology solutions and on-orbit operational services.

In our Geointelligence business, we continue to see strong demand for our Earth observation data and analytics and are advancing work on MDA's next-generation Earth observation constellation, CHORUS, which will provide even greater imaging capabilities and actionable insights for our customers. During the quarter, we saw clear signs of accelerated momentum in our business. We were awarded two sizable and strategic contracts which demonstrate the strength of our pipeline.

In February, we announced a new contract with Globalstar, valued at approximately CAD 415 million, in which MDA will serve as prime contractor for the design, manufacture, assembly, and test of 17 satellites with an option for nine more. These satellites will enhance the customer's LEO constellation.

In March, we announced Phase B of the Canadarm 3 program, valued at approximately CAD 270 million. With these two awards on our books, we have hit the ground running in 2022. Our backlog is building in line with our plans. We have good revenue visibility and a strong business foundation for this year and beyond.

I'll now step quickly through the financial highlights for the quarter and then give you a view on the industry, an update on MDA's three business areas, and then pass it over to Vito for a deep dive on the financials.

For the first quarter, backlog at quarter end stood at CAD 1.5 billion, representing an impressive 122% increase versus Q1 2021 levels. MDA delivered revenues of CAD 128 million, up 4% year-over-year, and our adjusted EBITDA, excluding non-recurring items, was CAD 28 million, representing a solid EBITDA margin of 21.6%. We also generated healthy operating cash flow and ended the quarter with a strong balance sheet, which offers us ample financial flexibility to run the business and invest in our growth initiatives.

With triple-digit year-over-year growth in backlog, strong margins, and healthy operating cash flow in the first quarter, MDA is building momentum with our full focus on delivering for customers and capitalizing on new opportunities. Vito will provide more context for MDA's underlying performance in his remarks.

Next, I'd like to update you on developments within the broader space market and the opportunity that we see for MDA as we look ahead. Following a strong 2021, which marked a record year for investment in the space industry, both for government and commercial spending, we saw the momentum continue into Q1 of 2022. Taking our customary tour around the world, we continue to see strong activity across the globe.

South of the border, NASA submitted a $26 billion budget request for fiscal year 2023, 8% more than enacted federal spending levels for fiscal year 2022, signaling the importance of civil space to the current administration and to the strategic future of the United States.

According to senior NASA officials, this represents the largest overall request in current dollars for NASA and the largest request for science funding in agency history. Also in the US, the Space Development Agency, known as SDA, awarded three contracts valued at approximately $1.8 billion to build 126 satellites slated to launch in 2024. These satellites are part of a large Department of Defense constellation for missile warning, communications, data coverage and sharing, and other capabilities.

This is another example of the integration of space-based capability as a routine component of defense and military budgets, which is being driven by geopolitical tensions and demand for space-based surveillance and detection systems. Closer to home, Canada's military is looking to establish a new space division later this year as it further develops its capabilities and skills for space operations and looks for effective ways to leverage commercial capabilities.

On the expanding role of the commercial sector in space, NASA recently awarded more than $270 million to six companies, including both traditional satellite operators and constellation developers, to demonstrate services that could ultimately replace the agency's existing fleet of communication satellites. Industry research firm BryceTech recently released their Q1 launch market update, indicating that 624 spacecraft were launched in the quarter.

For perspective, that is almost double the number of satellites launched in Q4 and a third of the satellites launched in all of 2021, which itself was a record year. It is also noteworthy that 88% of the satellites launched were commercial. Our strategy to invest and expand MDA satellite systems capabilities, capacity, and facilities are well-timed to capitalize on this market expansion.

On the space exploration front, we saw three more countries sign on to the Artemis Accords, which aligns nations on a common set of principles for space exploration. Romania, Bahrain, and Singapore are the newest partners of the 18-member group, which has doubled in size since it was unveiled in October of 2020. All of this activity is indicative of near and long-term opportunity for MDA and our ability to create value for our stakeholders. Now I'll turn to our three business areas.

In satellite systems, we continue to see good activity levels with our teams responding to multiple requests for communication satellite solutions and for a growing number of constellation projects, particularly in the lower orbit segment of the market. As I noted earlier, this quarter we announced a $415 million award from Globalstar, which selected MDA as the prime contractor to enhance its LEO constellation.

This is an important award for MDA, reflecting our strategy to expand our offerings and move up the value chain. It is also a testament to our team's ability to compete and win against established satellite prime contractors to innovate and provide advanced payload capabilities and systems engineering, and to provide high-volume manufacturing to meet increasingly sophisticated customer needs. I also want to provide an update on Telesat Lightspeed.

As Telesat disclosed on its earnings call last week, the company is looking to resize its constellation to 198 satellites from 298 earlier, while maintaining the original budget for the program. We are engaged in active discussions with Telesat's management team, and based on current negotiations, still expect a contract award in the first half of the year.

MDA is in a position to quickly ramp up work on the program once we receive the green light from Telesat. In our Geo Intelligence business, we continue to see good demand signals for our Earth observation offerings. The tragic developments in Ukraine have shone a spotlight on the role that commercial EO satellites can play in providing near real-time data and analytics to governments and commercial players.

During the quarter, we secured a special authorization from the Canadian government to collect radar satellite imagery over restricted areas in Ukraine. Images captured by MDA's synthetic aperture radar or SAR technology, which is unique for its ability to see through all weather and cloud conditions, are being merged and analyzed with other sources of imagery from commercial Earth observation companies to develop comprehensive near real-time intelligence reports for Ukrainian government officials.

We are also advancing work on our next-generation Earth observation constellation, CHORUS, which will include C-band and X-band SAR satellites. This approach significantly enhances existing services and enables new applications not feasible with existing SAR satellites. We are encouraged by the volume of inbound inquiries from customers interested in acquiring CHORUS data and analytics. The Geo Intelligence business also houses our surveillance and detection systems, including those on the Canadian Surface Combatant program, or CSC.

The CSC program is progressing in line with our expectations. Work on the requirements analysis phase of the program is advancing, and MDA continues to finalize a number of additional electronic warfare suite sensor contracts. In our robotics and space operations business, we are seeing good activity levels on both the government and the commercial fronts.

On the former, we announced in Q1 the award of Phase B of the Canadarm3 contract, which carried a value of approximately CAD 270 million. The new contract will see MDA completing the preliminary design of Canadarm3 robotic systems. It will be used aboard the NASA-led Lunar Gateway, a major multi-year international collaboration to establish a sustainable space station in lunar orbit to support human and robotic missions to the surface of the moon.

The recent contract builds on MDA's completed Phase 0 and subsequent Phase A of the program, with work on Phase B now underway and expected to last approximately a year and a half. Our work on the Canadarm3 program is also instrumental in allowing us to leverage innovative technologies for new commercial markets.

At the close of the quarter, we announced our first commercial sale of Canadarm3 technology to Axiom Space. MDA is delivering 32 external robotic interfaces for the Axiom Station, which is now under construction and on schedule to be the world's first commercial space station in orbit.

The technology includes commercial variants of Canadarm interfaces designed for the Artemis Gateway, as well as those that allow the existing Canadarm on the International Space Station to build and assemble the new Axiom Station.

This is an exciting development for MDA that signifies a major shift in the commercial landscape for robotics as more non-government entities look to establish a foothold and hub in a low Earth orbit for a variety of activities, including in space manufacturing, human spaceflight missions to LEO, and deep space exploration. Shifting to operations. To support the anticipated revenue ramp-up, we added more than 250 new hires in Q1 of this year. This is in addition to the 670 people we hired in 2021.

In Q1, we also announced our new global headquarters and space robotics center of excellence, which will include a new mission control center capability for government and commercial customers.

The facility is another important foundational marker that supports the company's ongoing growth and lays the groundwork for long-term success in the evolving space robotics market. The modern 200,000 sq ft facility currently under construction will be home to our growing team and will help us bring to market a full suite of innovative space robotics products that leverage Canadarm technology.

We are also closely monitoring our supply chain for potential business disruptions. Earlier in the pandemic, we implemented several proactive measures that have served us well. These include designing around known shortages, finding alternatives that are more readily available, ordering materials as early as possible, and building up inventory for some components.

For new programs, we are ensuring that our supply chain organization has full visibility early in the process to ensure orders are placed promptly and monitored constantly to mitigate delay risks. To recap, this was a good quarter for MDA and a great way to start fiscal 2022. I'd like to thank our team for making this possible and for their dedication and get it done attitude.

With every quarter, we are building momentum in our business as we execute on our playbook, meaningfully growing our backlog and expanding our leadership in core markets while maintaining strong profitability and a healthy balance sheet to help us fund our growth initiatives. With that, I'll hand it over to Vito to walk us through the detailed financials.

Vito Culmone
CFO, MDA Space

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be with you here this morning to talk about our Q1 2022 financial results. As Mike has said, overall, we're very pleased with our results this quarter. MDA has strong quarter for orders led by Globalstar award, valued at CAD 415 million, and Phase B of Canadarm, which is approximately a CAD 270 million dollar award.

These awards, coupled with a number of smaller wins across the business, helped grow our backlog to CAD 1.5 billion at the end of Q1 2022. That's up 122% from Q1 2021 levels and up 43% quarter-over-quarter. Total revenues for the first quarter of 2022 were CAD 128.4 million.

This represents a CAD 5 million or 4% increase over the same period last year and is driven by increased work volume, primarily in our robotics and space operations business. By business area, revenues in our geointelligence business of CAD 48.9 million were in line with Q1 2021 levels.

While in Q1, we continued to see growth in sales of satellite imagery and analytic services, as well as growth from increased work volume on the Canadian Surface Combatant program. This was offset by the wind down and completion of other programs. In robotics and space operations, revenue once again continued to show growth in the quarter. Revenues were CAD 42.4 million in Q1 2022, representing CAD 8.1 million or a 24% increase versus Q1 of 2021, revenues of CAD 34.3 million.

The growth is largely driven by increased activity on the Canadarm 3 program. Satellite systems declined from Q1 2021 revenues of CAD 40.1 million to CAD 37.1 million in Q1 2022. The slight decline is reflective of the timing of new programs ramp up in the quarter, like Globalstar, being offset by the ramp down or completion of other programs like JUPITER 3 in the back half of 2021 and early 2022.

Moving on to gross profit, and as a reminder, gross profit represents our revenues less cost of revenue, which includes materials, labor, overhead, trade credits, and depreciation. For Q1, gross profit was CAD 61.7 million, versus CAD 38.4 million in Q1 of last year. For the quarter, this translated to a gross margin of 48% compared to 31% in the prior year.

A large improvement in margin is primarily attributable to higher investment tax credits being recognized in the latest quarter. The majority of this increase in ITCs, CAD 16.8 million, relates to a resolution of historical claims that were not previously recognized due to the uncertainty surrounding the eligibility of the related costs.

In addition to ITCs, the improved margins this quarter were also driven by stronger program execution and cost management across all business areas. As mentioned in previous quarters, we do anticipate the mix of programs throughout 2022 to cause a slight drop in gross margins as we make our way throughout the year. Q1 operating expenses were CAD 38.4 million, compared to CAD 33.6 million in Q1 2021. This increase is primarily due to an increase in our development work on CHORUS and other proprietary technology programs.

This increase in R&D expense was partially offset by a year-over-year decrease in the share-based compensation expense due to vesting periods of certain tranches of awards ending in Q4 of 2021. Adjusted EBITDA in Q1 2022 was CAD 44.5 million, representing a CAD 5.5 million or 14% increase over last year's levels.

The higher adjusted EBITDA this quarter is again reflective of the previously noted increase in ITCs recognized in the quarter, offset partially by the increase in R&D spend. Excluding the impact of ITCs claims resolution in Q1 of 2022 and the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy income recognized in Q1 of 2021 in the amount of CAD 10.1 million. Our adjusted EBITDA this quarter was CAD 27.7 million, representing a very solid 21.6% margin, compared to 23.5% in Q1 of 2021. Moving on to CapEx.

We remain focused on making the right investments in the business to support our strategic growth initiatives. In Q1 2022, we spent CAD 37.1 million on capital expenditures, and that's up from CAD 10.1 million last year as we ramp up our R&D efforts on CHORUS, our next-generation commercial Earth observation constellation and other key programs.

We expect this level of spend to continue to ramp up throughout 2022 as we advance these and other important key growth initiatives by Globalstar and our recently announced global headquarters and Space Robotics Center of Excellence. Moving on to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with a strong financial position with minimal net debt of CAD 85.4 million, available liquidity of CAD 578 million, and net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of 0.6 times.

We also announced post-quarter end, the redemption of our CAD 150 million senior notes, bearing interest of 10% per annum and refinancing of our revolving credit facility to CAD 600 million from CAD 428 million prior. In light of these developments, we expect to see a meaningful reduction in our annual interest costs in the range of CAD 8 million-CAD 9 million per annum based on current rates.

The refinancing of our debt facilities also offers us more favorable pricing, increases in our borrowing flexibility while representing sufficient liquidity to fund future growth. In summary, we're pleased with our Q1 2022 financial performance and continue to see strong results across our key metrics. Let me now turn to our outlook.

We're executing on our strategic specific growth strategies and leveraging our competitive strengths to capitalize on the fastest-growing areas of the space economy and to maximize our growth opportunities. We're investing in R&D, manufacturing, product development and of course, in the scaling of our business. We see 2022 as a strong growth year for MDA as we build our backlog and begin heightened execution.

Consistent with the outlook we provided in Q4 of 2021, we expect our full year revenues to be in the CAD 750 million-CAD 800 million range, representing robust year-over-year growth of approximately 55%-65%. We expect our full year adjusted EBITDA to be CAD 140 million-CAD 160 million. Note that this outlook for adjusted EBITDA excludes the CAD 16.8 million ITCs claim resolution recognized this quarter.

Our forecasts are predicated on continued backlog growth in the first half of 2022, followed by a ramp in revenues in the second half. We expect our Q2 2022 revenues to grow by approximately 20%-25% over Q2 of 2021, driven by higher work volume from recent program wins.

We continue to expect capital expenditures in 2022 to be in the CAD 180 million-CAD 200 million range, comprised primarily of growth investments to support CHORUS and the previously outlined growth initiatives across our three business areas. We believe our backlog provides us with good revenue visibility and solid foundation for 2022 and beyond. We continually monitor backlog and contract award timing and assess their impact on our financial projections.

2022 is shaping up to be an exciting year for all of us at MDA, and we embark on the execution phase of a number of key programs. Our teams remain focused on delivering on our commitments to customers as we actively scale our business and leverage our proven technology to grow in our core markets. Mike, with that, I'll turn it back to you.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Thanks, Vito. Those were prepared remarks, operator. With that, we'll open it up to questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please slowly press Star followed by one on your touchtone phone. You will then hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you would like to withdraw yourself from the question queue, you will need to press Star followed by two.

Lastly, if you're using a speakerphone, you will need to please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Please go ahead and slowly press Star one if you have a question. Your first question will be from Doug Taylor at Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Doug Taylor
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah, thank you. Good morning. I'll ask the first Lightspeed question, which I'm sure you've anticipated. As you said, now contemplating a smaller initial constellation in terms of the number of satellites, similar price tag.

I recognize that you're still actively engaged there, but is there anything you can provide us that will help us assess how that might impact, you know, the economics for MDA? And can you provide us, you know, some update on the degree to which you have Lightspeed factored into the guidance for this year?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah, we can chat about that a bit. I think the things that have been said are all consistent around the project. The project continues to get itself organized and set up. You know, Telesat continues to work with both its contracting community and its financing community to be able to keep things progressing.

Telesat has shifted the composition of the constellation as noted, while maintaining the same economics as you just noted. All those things are true. We continue for our work scope, which remains the same, to be able to, you know, set up our contracts and work with Telesat on that.

We continue to do so and head towards the first half, you know, picking up the pace as we finish the first half like we've been saying. We do have some Lightspeed in our plan for the year. If, you know, with the assumption that we get going in the first half of the year, then that'll meet our expectations to be able to execute the year as we've said.

Doug Taylor
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. The Canadarm3 tech sale for the Axiom Station, you know, was an interesting development with respect to, as you say, commercial adoption of space robotics. Can I get you to perhaps talk about the addressable market for that type of solution and how you expect that to evolve? I mean, there's only so many space stations out there, but perhaps other applications of that same technology.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah, for sure. You're right. There will be a few commercial space stations or the expectation. In the market right now, there is around at least four that are in different types of development. That's good to see at this early phase of the commercial market. In addition to space stations, robotic solutions for us, the folks that we would talk to would include the in-orbit service, assembly, and manufacturing market or ISAM.

You'll have seen recently perhaps that the White House in the United States recently released some papers kind of recognizing the ISAM market as a solid, legitimate market that needs to be paid attention to. That's good for us to see.

That's robotics on different types of spacecraft that would do servicing, assembly, and manufacturing, as the title says. The debris removal market is also another area for robotics. We're in discussions with various commercial players looking at the active debris removal market. The final area these days would be the lunar activity. As we go through the 2020s and we return humans to the moon and start to have habitats and vehicles of different types and activities on the lunar surface, a number of those would include the assumptions for robotics.

You'll have seen announcement that we would have made at the recent Space Symposium in Colorado, where we announced we'd be working with Lockheed Martin and General Motors, looking at lunar mobility systems, and putting robotic solutions on lunar mobility vehicles. That's another recent example from us, in terms of areas where we're looking to apply robotic technologies, as the lunar market emerges.

Doug Taylor
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, one last question for me. I mean, obviously, the events in Eastern Europe have led to a bit more activity with respect to defense spending and budgets in the Western world. I mean, a lot of what you do relates to space, but you also touch defense in a number of ways, and Earth observation comes to mind. Can you maybe refresh us or speak to us about, you know, any activity levels related to that, you know, overall trend, unfortunate as it is, and how you expect that to impact MDA over the coming years?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah, sure. So definitely, just to confirm your premise there, like for sure, the dialogue around defense is increasing. Like, that definitely is an increasing theme around the world as people are paying attention to that area. Certainly, the use of space-based observation has realized its benefits as a result of the recent activities in the past quarter.

You know, that piques people's interests. More people wanna talk about that. In terms of near-term shifts, then, you know, we do see increasing conversations with folks around Earth observation imagery from RADARSAT-2, in addition to what kind of services CHORUS can bring to people in the future. So that's kind of an immediate impact.

I think that the more medium to longer term impact would be on those broader sort of defense activities and budgets that you're talking about. These things take time. You're seeing in the media, certainly, pressure on Western countries to have solid defense budgets and increase your defense budgets. We're definitely seeing that pressure that exists in the market.

That causes dialogue around surveillance and protective systems that include, you know, ground-based surveillance in addition to space-based surveillance working together. I mentioned some comments in my remarks about SDA in the United States, for example, you know, putting up new space-based constellations to detect missiles and the like, and to enhance communications for militaries.

Those types of activities, you know, start to get discussed more in various countries. Those will take time to convert into, you know, programs. Right now we're at the pressure and promises phase of, you know, increased defense activity, and then over time, you know, that could convert into programs. That'll take a little bit of time.

Doug Taylor
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Thank you. I'll pass the line.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay. Thanks, Doug.

Shereen Zahawi
Senior Director of Investor Relations, MDA Space

Thanks, Doug.

Operator

Next question will be from Thanos Moschopoulos at BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Mike, maybe to expand on the last point, you mentioned you're having more conversations around RADARSAT-2. So what are the barriers in terms of just translating that into like an actual sharp revenue uptick? Is it just going through sales cycle? Is it basically just getting the, you know, new customers familiar with how to access and leverage the dataset? Or what would you say are the impediments to more of an uptick in the near term?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah. There's really no in terms of impediments, there's certainly, you know, very few things in the way. There are things we have to work through always. The sort of business development and sale of Earth observation imagery, you know, requires all the relevant export licenses and the like for sales, you know.

You have to go through and make sure that you've got permission to be able to do the various types of sales that customers are interested in. You saw an example of that when we announced that the Canadian government gave us permission to start selling imagery of the Ukraine in the last quarter. You know, that type of activity, you gotta go through that hoop, I guess, which is not a problem.

It's just work to be able to get through that. Be able to work with people in terms of what their level of use is going to be. Some folks have ground stations. MDA has a strong ground station network around the world, and folks want telemetry and data delivered to their ground stations for them to be able to process. Other customers, you know, that are starting to realize the benefits of Earth observation more, they may not have that capacity. They just want the analytics.

They just want the intelligence report or the information report about what's going on in their neighborhood or their area of interest, in which case, you know, we have to organize what types of intelligence and reports, you know, they'd like us to process and deliver to them, or us and our partners to process and deliver to them. That gets worked through, and then we can start selling those on a recurring basis into those customers. Those are the normal steps that we would go through in this market. It's the same in this example.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Great. I think you said before that capacity is not an issue, right? There's still a lot of available capacity on your side to capture some of these opportunities.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yep, that's correct. Yeah, we don't have any capacity limitations right now that we're bumping up against. No.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Great. Maybe just going back to Telesat, you said the scope of work that you're discussing remains the same. I don't know if you can comment, like, I mean, previously you had provided some expectation in terms of what Telesat might look like in 2023. Based on the discussions you're having, would it be tracking to that, or is it kind of, you know, challenging to say until things are locked down?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

In general, like, in general, the economics remain the same. I think that in the final setup, that'll also, you know, affect the profiling of the projects. Certainly in 2022, like, well, like I mentioned, as we get going here in the first half of the year, then that will meet our expectations for 2022. In terms of the profile for 2023, 2024, 2025, you know, that's based on the overall program profile and the pace that people need things. That may get tweaked a little bit as we go through the, you know, final contract setup.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Finally, you mentioned that you're still seeing a strong pipeline in the commercial segment. Just to clarify, I mean, we've had you know, rising interest rates and you know, a lot of commercial projects are funded through debt. I mean, it sounds like at this point, you know, no signs of a macro slowdown, you know, impacting commercial opportunities from your perspective. It seems like it's full steam ahead on commercial opportunities that you're in discussions with.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

That's correct. We haven't seen anybody flinch. Everybody's continuing with their projects as we've seen. Then, occasionally we'll bump into new customers, and for those that are looking for that, we have a great position here in Canada working with EDC, which is, you know, a very supportive government agency here in the Export Development Canada, that will provide financing to international customers, for their space-based activities. That's a very helpful thing for us, too, in our situation, being able to leverage that on international deals.

Thanos Moschopoulos
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Great. Thanks, Mike. I'll pass the line.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay.

Operator

Once again, as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please slowly press star followed by one on your touch-tone phone. Your next question will be from Ken Herbert at RBC.

Ken Herbert
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace & Defense Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Vito.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Hi, Ken.

Ken Herbert
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace & Defense Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, Mike. Yeah, Mike, I wondered if you could dig into the Globalstar contract a bit. How does that ramp? Maybe in terms of the revenue contribution this year and over the next few years, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay. It's like, you know, we got going on that straight away in the first quarter. We're delivering those satellites in 2025, so it's a three-year journey. It's pretty steady across the three-year journey. It's just start, go hard for three years and get those satellites delivered. That's it's pretty steady and even across the three years.

Ken Herbert
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace & Defense Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. That's helpful. I just wanted to follow up on your prior comment. I mean, you said in your prepared remarks that it sounds like you're seeing a step up in activity, specifically around within the LEO market on the satellite side. Is there any way to think about any quantification around how that opportunity set has expanded for you here in the last quarter or two? Or how much of a larger opportunity perhaps is this emerging for you now that you've won a few contracts and you're building it out more?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah. I'd say that our pipeline remains solid. Nothing's fallen out of it. A couple new things have been added into it, but it's generally, you know, been just a really solid, steady, large pipeline for us over the last 24 months that we continue to prosecute and execute on. The thing I talk about in terms of, like, the future growth would be the opportunities that are emerging, especially with large corporations that are looking at having. I always call them, like, you know, private industrial networks, but like space networks for their corporation's business in the market.

One of the more interesting announcements for me was in the last quarter, Porsche and Volkswagen announcing that they'd squirreled away about EUR 2 billion to be able to put up a space-based network for them for their future smart car. That's going on in a number of different sectors, whereby, you know, large industrial organizations are seeing the opportunity for space-based networks to make their business work.

This is a very interesting thing because historically, you know, we've seen space-based communication networks being from the operators that would need to pull together some equity and some debt, and, you know, put up a network, and make sure they've got paying customers around the world to then turn that into a successful business case.

Of course, that still exists, and we see that in the Telesat of the world, for example, and that's all solid. But then now we're starting to see though these, you know, large multinational corporations having conversations about how a space-based network could enable their business for the next generation of their offering.

That's a very different model whereby, you know, it's just, you know, these are like large multi-billion-dollar corporations that are putting aside some small billions to be able to put up a space-based network. To me, those are the more interesting things that are starting to emerge in the pipelines and something to watch for, you know, in the medium term. This is something to watch for in the future.

Ken Herbert
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace & Defense Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. If I could, just my final question, I think you called out, you were on plan, if I understood properly with your hiring in the first quarter. Can you just confirm that and how you're looking through the remainder of the year in terms of your ability to support the growth just from a labor standpoint?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah. We are on plan, maybe even a little touch in some corners, a little touch ahead actually. We've done really well with the hiring. The talent acquisition teams and the hiring managers across the business are getting into a bit of a well-oiled machine situation here, with the 670 folks hired last year and then over 250 so far this year.

It's doing well. With the level of backlog that you saw, you know, coming in in the first quarter there and the backlog rising up to CAD 1.5 billion, you know, that definitely caused a focus on hiring in the end of last year and the start of this year.

We will continue to hire at pace, but we're, you know, meeting all our needs so far, and we forecast that we will continue to meet our needs as we go through the year. As we get things established, we will continue to hire, but the pace will drop off a little bit as we finish the year, because we'll have, you know, broken the back of the big surge that we needed to be able to convert this backlog into revenue. We're working at pace, and we're on plan, and we expect to continue to do so.

Ken Herbert
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace & Defense Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Well, thank you very much.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay.

Operator

Next question will be from Kristine Liwag at Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Kristine Liwag
Head of Aerospace & Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning, Mike and Vito.

Vito Culmone
CFO, MDA Space

Hey, Kristine.

Morning.

Kristine Liwag
Head of Aerospace & Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Following up on your 2022 outlook, you guys mentioned that you need to see continued backlog expansion through the first half of the year. Can you provide on what that pipeline looks like? How much of your 2022 revenue outlook is already in the backlog?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

I don't know the number in terms of like the percentage of revenue and backlog this year so far, but it's decent. It's just not in my head at the moment. In terms of the pipeline, the pipeline continues to be solid. The big swinger would be Lightspeed as we go through this first half of the year, as we talk about you know finishing the job of building up our backlog even further. Lightspeed would be the big swinger with a number of other smaller opportunities that are still coming in.

Kristine Liwag
Head of Aerospace & Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

I see. That's really helpful. Maybe a follow on Canadarm3. I mean, that's great that you've now got Axiom for that program too. Now you've got Axiom and Gateway for Canadarm3. How much commonality is there? You guys mentioned that there are some technology overlap, and it's, you know, the commercial version.

What does that mean? How much potential upside is there on economies of scale now that you've got two customers? How should we think about the opportunity if we see others? I mean, at some point, the ISS would need to be replaced.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Yeah. We were talking about that in some of the earlier questions on how we're now starting to see these, you know, commercial space stations coming into the market, in addition to those other applications such as, you know, in-orbit service, assembly, and manufacturing, and the activities on the moon. As a result of that expanding commercial market, you know, we're moving forward in the robotics and space operations business area with a line of commercial robotics.

We're looking at having, you know, a range of commercial robotics based on Canadarm3 technology, that would have the sort of different sizes and shapes in the product lines that'll be needed for these different application areas. We are on purpose in the Canadarm3 program, one of the core tenets of that program in our relationship with the Canadian Space Agency is commercialization.

We want to do two things on that program. We want to meet the needs of the program and make sure that Gateway gets a really great robotic system that we can operate for decades from here in Canada. That would be objective one. Objective two would be to be able to develop that technology in a manner that ensures that we have a commercial product line that results. It's very much an on-purpose thing.

The amount of overlap is high. Obviously, each customer, based on their system, may have the odd tweak to the system design for their particular application. But our core offering will have very strong commonality across the different product lines.

Obviously, physically different robotic solutions in terms of their sizes and shapes would have, you know, different elements. Things like the control systems, you know, can be very common across an integrated line of robotics. For us, we've got this amazing legacy. You know, we've had a robotic system on the Space Shuttle that we delivered multiple units to.

I think it was five in total over the life of the Space Shuttle, and flew over 90 missions there. We transitioned to the next generation of on-orbit robotics on the International Space Station with Canadarm2 and Dextre, where, you know, that robotic system now has operated for over 20 years with, you know, at least 10 years to go it seems like in that market.

Now we've got Canadarm3 as this third generation for the moon with artificial intelligence-based robotics, our next generation evolution of our control systems that we are on purpose now configuring to be able to have commercial variants spinning out.

Kristine Liwag
Head of Aerospace & Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

I see. Like maybe following up on that, right? When you guys first gave out your Canadarm3 opportunity, I mean, it sounds like compared to your first initial outlook on that program, you now have this commercial opportunity as, you know, kinda cherry on top. So I guess my question is, compared to your initial Canadarm3 outlook, should we see this program as a much larger and a much more profitable program with all these potential other offshoots?

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

I think the Canadarm3 program remains as the Canadarm3 program. I wouldn't expect that particular program to, you know, deviate much from previously described. In addition, during the IPO process, we would have talked about our commercial pipeline, and our commercial pipeline would have included opportunities for sensors, in addition for robotic systems. That continues for us. I think what we're seeing now, though, is the solidification of that this commercial pipeline is becoming demonstratively real, and we're starting to get the orders coming in now.

As you see, commercial space stations and commercial spacecraft for the ISAM market and the lunar activity get their financing and continue to get organized, you know. You should see those as leading indicators that, you know, our pipeline is getting more and more solid in that space for on-orbit robotic systems, in addition to on-orbit robotic services. We're setting ourselves up in that new facility I described in my remarks to be able to deliver on-orbit operational services. We can now work with these commercial partners in different ways.

We can sell them a robotic system, but we could also partner with them for the operations of their space-based activity, and be there for them on a recurring basis to operate the robotics on their craft, whether that's a space station or other spacecraft on a recurring basis moving forward into the future. The business models that we're able to work with are more. We have a greater variety now to be able to make these deals work.

Kristine Liwag
Head of Aerospace & Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

That's very helpful, Collier. Thank you very much.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay, thanks, Kristine.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions. Please proceed with closing remarks.

Mike Greenley
CEO, MDA Space

Okay. I think I'd just like to thank everybody for being with us today. It's been a great start to the year. It's been nice to be able to talk about it, and we'll see everyone next quarter. Thanks very much.

Shereen Zahawi
Senior Director of Investor Relations, MDA Space

Out.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your line.

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