All participants, please stand by. Your meeting is ready to begin. Please be advised that this conference call is being recorded. Welcome to The North West Company Q1 results conference call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Edward Kennedy, President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Kennedy, please go ahead.
Thanks very much. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 conference call. Joining me today are Amanda Sutton, our VP, Legal Counsel and Secretary, John King, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Alex Yeo, our President of Canadian Retail, and Dan McConnell, President of International Retail. Before I begin with my comments, I'm gonna ask Amanda to read our disclosure statement.
Thank you, Edward. Before we begin today, I remind you that certain information presented may constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements reflect Northwest's current expectations, estimates, projections, and assumptions. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks which could cause actual performance and financial results in the future to vary materially from those contemplated in the forward-looking statements. For additional information on these risks, please see Northwest's annual information form and its MD&A under the heading Risk Factors. Edward?
Thanks, Amanda. I'm gonna provide some initial comments, then I'm going to ask Alex and Dan to provide more color on the performance drivers and outlook in their own divisions on the retail sides. Overall, as we started the quarter, we thought some pretty big things on our plate with respect to the announced Giant Tiger transaction, our admin restructuring in Canada, our pricing investment in Canada, the opening of our largest store in the company, the reopening of it, pardon me, in St. Thomas, late in the year, was just hitting its stride as well as our new store in a very important market, Barrow, Alaska.
We had a lot going on in the business, and I think we had some very good momentum and had set ourselves up structurally for a pretty good year in a very busy year in the right areas. Of course, as we all know, a lot of things changed mid-March with the outbreak of COVID-19. We continued to work on foundational parts of our business, but we've had to adapt like every other almost individual and organization because of COVID, and we'll certainly talk about that today.
As we got through the quarter and we saw the impact of changing consumer demands, the one common part that I'd say across all of our business, International, Canada, Retail, and our air cargo business is the essential nature of the services we provide. It really does come forward when you're in a situation like this and people depend. We depend on each other as associates at Northwest to be dialed in to the jobs that we have, especially right now. I'm very pleased and proud to say that Northwesterners have risen to that call to action.
I mentioned in my AGM remarks that the safety factor has been paramount and we've been effective and to some degree perhaps fortunate that less than 10 individuals in our company of over 8,400 across 17 different territories and countries have contracted COVID. We've also kept our stores open. They've been relied on as essential service providers and unless there's been a quarantine-type shutdown on particular islands. That's kind of a backdrop to what's turned out to be a very strong quarter sales-wise. Margins have been solid. There's been some shifts in spending that Alex and Dan might touch on.
Certainly across all parts of the business with few exceptions, we have had very strong sales that have continued into the second quarter. Just before I turn over to Alex and Dan to comment, I'll just say that on the airline side, we've also had a solid quarter. We've got our third airplane now with us in terms of the ATR fleet. We're very busy moving the volumes that are going through our store network. Planes are flying the hours that we expect and they're efficient.
I just wanted to point that out because that won't be a part that Alex or Dan touches directly on, but it has been a part of the picture in the quarter as well, a positive part. Just finally on the Giant Tiger transaction, we're scheduled to close that in early July. There's no significant changes. I did mention in my remarks at the AGM that we've added two stores to the sold group. We didn't change the provision. We're taking a cautious approach to that. We'll see as we go through the subleasing and assigning of leases whether we can mitigate that. Right now, we think that is a very prudent amount, the CAD 9.4 million.
Finally, before I turn over to Alex and Dan, a comment on our admin restructuring. We're still on target for the CAD 17 million in annualized savings. Just if you think about that, how that would affect the first six weeks, which is really what the impact it would have on Q1, it wasn't significant. We had a few positions that are staying longer because of a change in work activities tied to COVID and the general pickup in our business in areas that we didn't anticipate, as well as the timing of the structure, the position eliminations.
There was one tranche or group in March, a second at the end of May, and a third at the end of July, and actually another group at the end of January. The run rate on this will pick up as we get through the year. As I also commented, we had, I guess you call it offsetting reduction in expenses tied to reduced travel is one example of just general admin costs are lower given the COVID environment. The one offset, again, this is across the whole company, was CAD 4.8 million in safety, PPE-type expenses tied to COVID, as well as the frontline wage increases we implemented in early in March or mid-March, pardon me, backdated to the beginning of March.
You've seen the numbers, the comps are high at 15.5%, and as I said, they're spread across all banners. The food is up strongly as well, and that includes all banners, including Giant Tiger. What I'd like to do now is first turn to Alex Yeo to give just a highlight of what were some of the performance drivers that have brought these results to Northern Canada as well as Giant Tiger, and to comment a little bit on the outlook that we see as best as we can right now. Alex?
Thanks, Edward. This is Alex. First I'll open with a commentary on Northern Canada. You know, we had a very strong quarter, as you can see, with significant growth in both food and general merchandise across most of our categories. There are a number of performance drivers that we saw. The first one I'll comment on is on the pricing investment. We started with a tempered price reduction in 10-plus road stores in response to the travel restrictions that we saw in a number of these communities. The feedback and response from our customers is extremely strong. We saw significant lifts in sales and unit movement versus comparable road stores and strong community and customer feedback. That gives us a lot of optimism going into that momentum for Q2.
Pricing investment was the first driver of what we saw in the business in Northern Canada. The second and third drivers related to travel restrictions and increased government support for these communities. As I, you know, as mentioned by Edward in the AGM, you know, we've seen additional assistance announced for Northern communities. As an example, the government announced an initial CAD 305 million investment in Northern communities, and this showed up in a number of ways, whether it be contract sales for PPE, you know, additional support for communities to maintain travel restrictions, all of which, because of the essential nature of our stores in these communities, meant that we're able to, you know, support these communities and also capture it in terms of food and general merchandise sales.
At the same time, because of these travel restrictions, which by the way occurred across all of our communities, whether it be road stores or air stores, we not only saw a wave of initial stock-up shopping, but also increased spend in our stores as customers started to take this support and spend it on items that they would use at home. Big-ticket items, for example, electronics, motorized home furnishings. This money would otherwise have normally gone to a local out-of-shopping hub, but instead stayed in our communities that, and because of our strong operations in stock as well as logistics, we were able to service this demand and capture the sales in our stores. In this quarter, Edward alluded to, you know, the investments we made in expenses in safety and sanitation.
The additional color I want to add here is that we also invested in, you know, hiring additional staff that were in our community that we moved into our stores to help with the sales, with the sanitation requirements, but also as backup support for our staff in event of a COVID outbreak, so that we could keep these stores open and running in the event that there was a COVID outbreak in our communities. That was part of the expense investment that we put into the Northern Canadian business as well. The outlook is positive going into Q2 because there's a number of headwinds and tailwinds. In terms of the positive factors, we're still seeing positive momentum from the pricing investments that I talked about, we extended that pricing investment into 20 more stores.
This is a chance for us to really change the directory of these 30+ road stores, because at this point, the customers are shopping the whole of the store. It's really a chance through this pricing investment to change the customer behavior and really capture share and keep share from the out-of-shopping, to change price perceptions, and to really change the tenor, the tone and tenor of our relationships with the communities. At the same time, the government announced some additional support. Nutrition North was expanded as of May first. The government's invested, it's expanding Nutrition North by CAD 25 million, and we operate stores in a number of these communities where the investments are going to.
On the flip side, though, we are seeing that travel restrictions are starting to lift, that means that more of our customers will start to leave our communities. That will be a bit of a drag into sales. You know, the COVID-19 situation remains uncertain. There is potential for, you know, continued outbreaks beyond Q2. While Q2 remains positive, the outlook beyond that will still continue to be uncertain, albeit with positive positive momentum. It is also uncertain in terms of, you know, how long the government programs will continue. Otherwise, the overall underlying momentum continues to be positive. That's on the Northern Canadian side.
I won't comment too much on Giant Tiger other than to say that we didn't see a significant change in trend versus what was commented on in previous releases. What I will say is that food sales did increase due to the stock-up shop, but this was offset by softer general merchandise sales as people pulled back at discretionary spending in the quarter. Going to Q2 before we close the transaction, you know, outlook is fairly positive. We've seen food sales trends return to normalize a little bit, but still above where we were last year. As restrictions have slowly lifted, we've seen a resurgence of spending on basic general merchandise items like home decor, garden, some of these items where, you know, GTSL has traditionally been very strong in. That's my commentary in terms of the North Canadian Giant Tiger businesses.
Okay, great, Alex. We'll hold for questions until maybe, I'll let Dan McConnell, President of International Retail Group, provide the same review that Alex did for his store units, and then we'll open for questions. Dan?
Okay. Thanks, Edward. Again, very strong sales increase over in international. Some of the triggers and the reasons for this was definitely came down to the restructuring that we did just within the last 12 months. It really allowed us to be a lot more nimble and agile to take advantage of some of the changing in the markets that we were experiencing. Our in-stock for both banners was around 90%. We also have to give a large call-out to our committed staff at the front line. There was really a great expectation from the community and then delivered by all of our staff, really taking it seriously and going above and beyond in all of their missions as far as extended hours.
When some of the stores would shut down, they converted quickly. We're agile enough to be able to go into a full e-commerce platform in some of the markets, particularly within the Caribbean, when they went to a full curfew or a full shutdown in some of the operations. Some of the other reasons is in the CUL, the full, obviously, the club concept suits very well for this type of environment. Higher quantities, lower prices is definitely switching people away from traditional grocers and especially with within their stock-up shop. The foot plates within Cost-U-Less also make it a lot easier to do social distancing.
The eating, the shopping patterns or some of the eating habits that people were not able to shop at, or were not able to eat at some of the restaurants, given the fact that most of them are closed or going to take-out only. This definitely swayed a lot of the shopping habits over into our stores, both in Alaska and in CUL. Much like Alex had indicated in rural Alaska, there was a lot less travel out of markets, just keeping people inside the markets and then shopping over at our AC stores. Talk a little bit about the economy. Excuse me. Alaska definitely has some positive aspects, especially within Q2. The PFD has changed from July and is now gonna be distributed out in, sorry, from October, typically, and it's now gonna be distributed out in July.
Typically, it's $1,600 over the last couple of years. Now it's gonna be reduced to $1,000, but it's gonna be accompanied by CVRF as well as some of the trickle-on of the stimulus that was distributed in Q1 that's still coming into the markets. That is definitely a positive. The fishing industry that we thought was gonna be scaled back, as per some of the discussions that were had in Q1, it has now been announced that it will be open, so the fishing season will definitely be advantageous to the Alaskan economy. However, tourism in both Alaska and the Caribbean, which I'll speak to in just a minute, is gonna be a lot lighter and gonna have a negative impact on the outlook of the Alaskan economy.
We do feel that Q2 is gonna be strong, stronger than we anticipated, given the incremental dollars that are gonna be in market, followed by what we think is gonna be a weaker Q3 in Alaska and an average Q4. When we look over the Caribbean, we're a little less optimistic. Tourism plays a much bigger role. Unemployment numbers continue to creep up, albeit that a lot of the industry in the Caribbean is either directly involved in tourism or a ripple effect as to what the tourism market does. We're looking fairly, I'd say, cautiously at these markets, especially the non-US affiliated markets.
Edward mentioned this in his remarks earlier about BVI and some of the other, Curaçao, Barbados definitely having facing some headwinds. Just to kind of give you some an impression on the on some of the factors that have a pretty positive impact on the markets in prior years, the cruise ship industry, which is unknown at this point. In fact, Cayman Islands has indicated that they are not gonna permit cruise ships to dock in Cayman this year. Last year, Cayman Islands saw about 2 million tourists come in as a result of the cruise ship business. BVI would be approximately 1 million, and it would be in those neighborhoods for some of the other islands that we're servicing over in the international sector.
Saying that, we're a lot more cautious as far as what our outlook is for the Caribbean. Optimistic for Alaska and again, we are still experiencing some strong sales increases in the Caribbean, but we're definitely keeping our eye on the ball and looking for that change to ensure that we're not in a difficult position with our stock levels if that demand does start to fall off, as we anticipate it will later in Q2. I think that's really all I have for that right now, Edward.
Okay, thanks, Dan. I don't know, John, if we missed anything that we should talk about right now. If, if not, then operator will open the call for questions.
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Thank you. Good afternoon. First question is on the CAD 17 million of annual cost reductions that you have planned. I didn't quite understand the commentary. Can you tell us how much was recognized in Q1?
It would be in the range of CAD 1 million.
And why, why-
Because it started, it's only six weeks, and most of the reductions are spread over the year.
Okay. I was under the impression that you were going to get, like, CAD 10 million to start, and then the other CAD 17 million would come in halfway through. Is this delayed?
No, that math would still hold water. It's not going to be CAD 10 million a month.
No, CAD 10 million annualized. Okay, so CAD 1 million six weeks that it was in. Okay. All right. The price investments that you're making, I think on the Q4 call, you talked about CAD 10 million of price investments, and today you mentioned CAD 12 million. Is this just, you know, the CAD 10 million is kind of upfront and CAD 12 million is maybe once you increase it next year, or have you changed the plan?
The plan has changed somewhat. The message I'd say, is based on the change in like we've got this unprecedented opportunity because of consumer behavior shifting involuntarily that we're trying to get to be voluntary. The price investment was geared towards behavior change. We wanted to capture more local market share and outshopping spend. Now we're capturing the share, and we're doubling down on the price investment. Alex talked about some of the upside we saw out of the gates. We're accelerating that spend. Whether it's 10 or 12, I mean, this is on an annualized basis. There's a lot of puts and takes in this.
I mean, I guess I should say that we should put a tolerance around this because if, for example, we see more travel, less COVID support income, insulated income, and as our analytics show that we're not getting as much traction with the price investment, we would adjust. Our best estimate as we looked at this and we talked about it in the context of funding it through our, through cost streamline was in that CAD 10 million, but it could be CAD 12 million. It really depends on what we see. The challenge to all this right now, Michael, and I hope you appreciate, is that there's so much going on because of the fundamentally strong demand for what we sell, and that's not gonna go away right away.
We need to kind of clear the deck of these other drivers of reduced travel mobility, again, income support. Then when the dust settles, sometime maybe in Q3 for Northern Canada, we'll start to see for the pricing as it stands alone with the Nutrition North investment as well, which is quite significant, as Alex pointed out, at CAD 25 million. About CAD 11 million of that will flow through our stores. Unfortunately, if anything, there's more uncertainty. 12 is our best estimate, but we really don't know until we get into probably Q3 and can start to separate factors that aren't COVID-related, which today are subsuming what we're doing.
Right. That was actually gonna be my next question, because clearly you've had really very, very strong sales. Is there any way that you're able to monitor or poll, survey your customers or anything like that to determine how these price investments are being received and whether that's driving it or is it just that they can't shop anywhere else?
As I mentioned before, there's a number of ways that we're trying to triangulate the effective price investment. The first main way is that the initial price investment was in about 10+ stores. We have about 20+ other stores, road stores during the quarter which didn't receive the price investment, which now are getting it. That allows us to almost do a bit of a control test comparison between the two groups of stores. What we did, all stores got the COVID support and the travel restrictions. What we saw in the stores where we had that temporary price reduction was significant lift in sales and tonnage that helped offset the price investment. That's how we know that there is traction.
Obviously, there's still factors within the quarter in terms of level of support, travel restrictions, but that's the best way we can kind of triangulate whether there was traction with our customers.
Okay. should we just assume that since 10 stores got it in Q1 and 20 stores are gonna get it, add to it in Q2, that you only had about a third of that CAD 12 million investment going in the quarter?
It was actually less. I mean, we still have our other stores as well. The investment was less than that.
Okay. I guess just finally, and then I'll hand it off to others. You talked about the CAD 4.8 million COVID cost, or COVID-related costs. Any sense as to how long those are going to stay in the numbers? Have any of them started to fall off yet?
Yeah, they're gonna fall off significantly, in beginning in Q2. The wage increases will be focused on areas that have high COVID transmission rates. Today, that would be a couple of stores in Northern Canada. They're not in place any longer in the international group of stores. On a, on an annualized or quarterly basis, the four agent is looks like the high watermark, and we'll be significantly under that in Q2 and Q3. I don't know, we haven't separated out the PPE part, but the, we probably should. We'll have to get back on that so you understand what the. The PPE will still be there as far as we know. But the lion's share of that is the frontline wage increases.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Next question is from Stephen MacLeod from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good afternoon. I just wanted to follow up on the outlook for Q2, which sounds like it is still quite positive. Can you just provide a little bit of context around maybe quantification, like how you're trending relative to the strength in Q1? I mean, are you still expecting, like would you still expect to put up a comp that's in the double digits, or is it strong on a relative basis, but maybe down a bit from where you were in Q1?
Well, we're only look at where we are. We're halfway through Q2. I will say that it's strong. If you think about the stock-up surge was sort of the March story, and then the travel restrictions were kicking in, and then the income supports came in. Child benefit payments were increased in May. The senior payment's gonna go out in July. The PFDs went out in July. The CERB payments are in place now and will cut in half beginning in July. The income drivers for Q2 are at least as strong as Q1. We've got instead of six weeks, we're gonna have three months. I don't wanna say anything more because these numbers are unprecedented, and they could go differently in an unprecedented way.
Those are the fundamentals when you're thinking about, and you can read it in the news as much as we can see it in our stores. Like, where are the income programs going? Where are the travel restrictions going? We start to moderate our sales expectations. We think overall that travel will not be the same as it was, even when it's relaxed. We're getting close to COVID-free zone here in Manitoba, but travel restrictions are still pretty strict. You quarantine for 14 days coming from anywhere else in the world into Manitoba, including Canada. There's a lot of factors here at play. Like, we're confident saying that Q2 is robust. When we get to Q3 and 4, with Dan and Alex, as you can tell, there's a lot of uncertainty.
Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. That's helpful. Thank you. Then I think you sort of alluded to it, but I'm just curious with, you know, just such high levels of demand and, you know, logistics complications of getting product to remote locations, have you seen any supply chain issues impacting the stores at all?
Lots. Like it's.
Yeah.
like everywhere. You, we all shop. You know.
Yeah.
-what the stores looked like in March, and then they got a little bit better, but the entire store looks like a Halloween pumpkin, lots of holes and gaps and teeth in the shelves. There's like, people are buying, like the bike sales, try to buy free weights, try to ATV sales. Like we're selling a lot of ATVs, but so is everyone else, so boats and motors. We're getting our hands on a lot of furniture because we're selling a ton of furniture, but that's not really shooting the lights out in South, in the South. It's been something we've managed, like we mentioned the fill rate at 80-90%.
I would have a modest concern about getting sales as I'm looking at store comments on replenishment of TVs and that we have to keep working hard and our category managers are being very creative to source product to meet this demand. The food side has settled down. There's lots of substitutions. I guess the point I'd make here is that we still see a robust Q2 to get us through Q2. The PFD that news was dropped, I think, Dan, with very short notice, we've had to pivot quickly to get product into our stores for the July sales demand that's around the corner now with PFD.
The other, by the way, the other acronym that Dan mentioned is a relief fund for Alaskan rural villages that is in play. I've talked maybe too long on this already, but the answer is it's very hard to keep consistently in stock, but we're filling the consumer demand and we're getting the sales. I don't think we're leaving much on the table that way, but the stores don't look pretty.
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe just finally, you talked about in the outlook, notwithstanding economic uncertainty in the Caribbean and, you know, Alex, you sort of alluded to this as well, but talked about opportunities to grow market share organically and through acquisitions. Can you talk a little about, where you would look for those market share gains? Are they in specific niches, or are you talking more just broadly?
It's gonna be in all the regions we operate. It's interesting that some of our competition depends on other revenue sources that are vulnerable to travel or to fuel sales to airplanes, for example. They're weakened. Doesn't mean we're gonna buy them. In the Caribbean, we're paying attention. In Alaska, we're looking at some new store opportunities. It really depends on how the next few months play out, but I'd say that it's across the board. We're early stage on that. What I did mention in my remarks that we were also doing is telemedicine.
It's not, you know, we haven't put CAD 5 billion into it like Telus, but we are live with pilots on telemedicine, and ours are enabled by the relationships we have with First Nations. I'm gonna be really keen on reporting more on this to our investors as we go through this year and onward. This is a big trigger point. I'm sure many are aware the fact that virtual billing is now allowed. We've waited a long, long time for this to break open. We have a cohort of doctors that work for us, and we also have our telepharmacy. That's another one. Alex mentioned B2B. I know you have questions about acquisitions, but we're also looking at ramping up our business to business sales.
We've been called on more and more by people to try to find product for them. That CAD 310 million that Alex mentioned, Dan and his group have been supplying governments and school districts with PPE. We're starting to break into some relationships that we really hadn't anticipated a few months ago. We're just recalibrating whether we turn that on as a, as a growth opportunity or just sort of make hay while the sun shines in terms of the current demand. I think it's all I'll say right now on acquisitions except that we're, you know, we are see ourselves in that group of retailers that's moved forward right now with COVID as opposed to the ones that are struggling. We're definitely not in the struggling camp.
We just have to see what does the whole marketplace look like as the next few months unfold. Certainly in the Caribbean with the economic downturn that's likely in the fall, there's gonna be some opportunity if we choose to pursue it.
Okay. That's great. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Once again, please press star one on your telephone keypad if you have a question. The next question is from Sabahat Khan from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Anne. Good afternoon. Just I guess maybe a longer-term question. Have you noticed any change in sort of the productivity of your stores at all? I know there's historically been a focus on the kind of the top markets and so forth. You know, due to recent events.
Sorry. I think you cut off.
Hello?
Yeah, I'm listening. I don't think I heard the end of your question. I'm sorry. You were saying?
It was more around, yeah, it was more around the, you know, do the recent events and the way consumers have been shopping, does that change your view on your store network, maybe making your bigger stores even bigger, or is it too early to make those decisions?
It's too early. You know, Alex Yeo and Dan McConnell would have maybe a little different perspective depending on their marketplace. I'll just weigh into one area. We haven't been obviously for those who know us at the leading edge of e-com. Our customers don't shop as heavily that way, but we're all very concerned about out shopping, physical out shopping or e-com if to the extent that it applies. We have a dark store in Alaska, it's called Span Elite. Its sales are way up several hundred percent off a small base. All of our stores were turned on to, we use two e-commerce platforms to curbside pickup.
The demand was initially pretty high in a lot of down stores, the Cost-U-Less stores. We all know that that's very inefficient. When you get north of 4, 5, 6, 7% of your sales, it's really a drag. That has now calmed down as people are shopping in person. To get around to your question, if anything, we go the other way right now, longer term, and that is that the store gets leaner, doesn't have to get smaller, but we do have a longer-term vision of marrying up our physical network with e-commerce. Likely enabled by micro fulfillment centers that are more bot automated than the things that you do when you have to. We're no different than any other retailers there on using MFCs or MFCs.
We just haven't got to the point of where we would make that investment. We certainly see a vision of our stores longer term post-COVID, not inconsistent with. By the way, we think that's, say, semi-structurally, that there will be more attention and desire for services locally. This is why it's so critical that we put our best foot forward today. This is why the price invest is a little bit higher and accelerated because we do see that folks, they don't really wanna go to town to shop for toilet paper and diapers. They'd like to go experientially for a trip, and we wanna give them reasons not to think about going out to town for the things that we sell, and we're doing that today. Where e-com helps is on range.
If we're gonna have extended range in our stores, then e-com can really fill in the gaps and also get our cost structure down in the store to the essentials that people need and not the peripherals that are so expensive to use bricks and mortar for, given our inherent cost structure. Those are some of the thoughts that we have. They're more specific to the Alaska and the Northern Canada business. Cost-U-Less stands on its own as a very strong discount, again, warehouse club format, that has proven to be quite. I know if we contrast BVI, where we've had headwind, even though we're the dominant retailer, we reflect the retail economy in BVI as a distributor, a wholesaler, and a retailer.
I think the format of CUL, which is in the other islands, not in BVI, has shown to be very, very strong even with more depressed economic conditions. We're gonna retest that in the fall. Far it's held its own. The comp set of our Cost-U-Less stores have been right up there with our northern stores.
Okay, thanks for that. Then sort of just to follow up on the e-commerce side, you know, you noticed some benefit as people were shopping more in market, but how did you find kind of the e-commerce competition? Did you find some of your local customers relying more on e-commerce than in the past? Are there habits there that they're developing that you're keeping an eye on?
There's been no. We can track this, not obviously by individual for privacy reasons, but just the usage of our We Visa card, which is the largest prepaid product of its kind. We have a large penetration here that shows us where dollars are going. There's been no increase at all. In fact, a small decrease in some of the usual suspects for e-com. They aren't big numbers to begin with. Ex Iqaluit, which has a free freight Amazon Prime thing going on, has for a long time. That's a different scenario. No, we haven't seen a spike. I think Dan, you might wanna comment on the island or the other retailers have struggled to keep their e-com going.
Yeah, especially, I mean, right out of the gate it turned on overnight and people were seeing orders, 60, 70 orders and to the point where it shut down the e-commerce platforms on most of our with most of our competitors throughout the Caribbean. Us trying to moderate it a little more, a little bit more and manage expectations from our customers springing over a period of time was our saving grace. To Edward's point, I think, it hasn't because it hasn't been executed as well as probably on mainland, US, particularly in Canada, it hasn't intrigued the people to and the customers to continue to utilize that service with the exception of maybe in some of our islands. Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just gonna say that actually that brings up another thought, which is, you know, we've. For people who try to use online, it's pretty tough right now. I don't think anyone in the north where we do business was getting a great. If they wanted to go that route, it wasn't the way to go.
Especially with the disruptions in freight.
Yeah, freight disruption as well. Yeah, another point I made in my AGM is, not to put the defense of NSA, I mean, we think it's a great strategic fit. We've had some challenges for sure with the two plane crashes last year. The fact that today we have lift capacity, if we were dependent on third party carriers, I mean, they've got government subsidies to keep themselves going with their passenger revenues having collapsed, but their service would be in peril. We'd be depending on those kind of carriers to get our product to our customers. That's not gonna happen again. Thanks to NSA, it's not.
We've got this advantage that, you know, we're not fully realizing, but it certainly shows you the strength of it when you get into the situation we're in right now.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from Michael Van Aelst from TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Is NSA receiving any of those government subsidies?
They're receiving it for the passenger side of their business, yes. I guess just let me be very specific. They're receiving the CRWU. I think the acronym is CRWU. They're not receiving anything from Transport Canada, like Calm Air and Canadian North. They're receiving the normal subsidies if your business volume drops by that 30% threshold, which theirs did.
Okay. How can we measure that? Is it material for that business?
It's not material.
All right. Are all of the Caribbean stores or all of your Cost-U-Less stores now have Category 5 hurricane resilience?
I'm sorry, can you repeat that again, Michael? I'm sorry.
Sorry. Are all of the Cost-U-Less stores now, do they now have Category 5 hurricane resiliency?
Yes, they do.
Great. Great. Finally, Giant Tiger, I'd assume you're gonna report it, keep it in the results until the day that it's sold. That's true, John?
That's true.
Okay. Then for the quarter, are you able to give us what Giant Tiger's numbers were for like revenues, EBITDA for this quarter versus last year?
No, like in the, in the Q1 here, Michael, it's the same number of stores, same business, right?
Right. Are you able to give us the amount that it would be just so we have an idea of what the... Like you gave it to it. I think you said 0 EBITDA for 2019 from what I recall. Are you able to give us what the revenues and the EBITDA would've been for Q1?
No, we're not, we're not breaking that out. It was, as Alex said in his remarks, and Edward I think also commented on, it was not like the change in the quarter was not material. It was in line with the previous results.
Okay. All right. Thanks. Congratulations on the great results.
I'm sorry, I was distracted. Which I forget, John was showing me that the PPE amount is about $1 million for the quarter. That's six weeks. The math on that, extrapolated, that would be of the 4.8 is 1. That PPE would be a run rate we'd see going forward as long as we, you know, any of us can predict the duration of COVID.
Thank you.
CAD 1 million for six weeks. CAD 2.4 million. CAD 2 million a quarter.
Yeah.
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Hey, good afternoon. I wanted to follow up a bit on NorthStar. So commented last quarter, that you were flat and CAD 1.5 million behind. It sounds like it was a lot healthier in Q1. Can you just share broadly sort of where you're running versus plan? How you see that playing out for the rest of the year? How much of an impact does the decline in passenger revenues have? I know it's relatively small, but just curious there.
Yeah, it's not, it's not large. It was large enough because it got basically wiped out to qualify for the cruise payment, which basically then covered off the loss of that business volume. You just park that and say, "Okay, well that's kinda comp to last year." That's not really where we're gonna make or lose our way with NSA. It all comes back to cargo. It was a strong quarter because we flew the planes. They flew the hours they were supposed to. The maintenance cost per hour was low and controlled. Our plan is to continue that. Now, with the third plane coming on, we will decrease some of our third-party lease costs. That's all in the plan as well.
I mean, the short answer to your question is that our plan is to improve our bottom line in the year, and that's still the goal. Certainly with the volume of business we're doing, it's, it's a big boost to what we expected. The airline's performing above plan based on volume. Not sure what else to say. Where we are concerned, like I'll just give you know, there's another area of headwind for us is the ongoing insurance costs at Northwest. We have to really get into this more to find out how we can, we can manage insurance costs. That, that's on a comp basis, you know, charging that to NSA. That, that's a negative against their business.
They're still up even with that headwind. We're talking about several million CAD in insurance cost increases.
Okay, great. You already touched on this talking about ATVs and you talked about category spending shifts in the MD&A as well. Can you just share maybe a bit more? You know, I know there was the stock up in March and things have sort of evolved a lot. Just where sort of the categories that have been more or that you've seen a more recent uptick and sort of how things are trending.
Well, I... It's really specific to, so at home, big ticket durables, furniture, TVs to the extent they're not disposable these days, and then outside. Like, you can't find a bike anywhere in Canada, not very well. Bikes are sold out and trying to find more, ATVs, boats and motors, camping, hunting, fishing supplies. Those are the categories that are really standing out. I mean, across the range, there's also been a, I would say, replenishment of even of home products, bath and bedding, for example. Some of that B2B, PPE related, the community investment funds that Alex mentioned. I don't know, Alex or Dan, if you wanna jump in on some of the other growth areas.
Yeah. I'll just jump in on Canada in terms of on the food side. Food side, we kind of mirror a lot what we see in the southern retailers. There's a wave of health and wellness, bathroom products, paper products, that sort of stuff, and now it's shifted to center store baking supplies. I would say, you know, a lot of center store items, similar to the way southern retail is seeing, but we're seeing, we're still seeing elevated levels even going to Q2. That's for Northern Canada.
Yeah, I mean, much the same in international. The PFD I mentioned, that's coming in with the CVRF, the Coastal Villages Regional Fund. That's all catered towards big ticket. In the Caribbean, I'd say unfortunately, we're heading into hurricane time and it's been rumored to be an active season this year. We've been heavily marketing some of the precautionary materials that are required in order to keep people safe there. That's a big push. Otherwise it's pretty much in line with what Alex mentioned.
The other comment I'll add, it's not specific to the categories, but we serve generally a lower income consumer who, in some ways never has enough income to meet all their needs and wants the way a high saving rate household might. The income that gets transferred gets spent. This is where the, you know, having the broad range that we do have in our assortment being in stock on that is incredibly important with or without travel restrictions.
In the past pre-COVID, for those who followed Northwest, they know, you know that when we have income, call them surges, whether it's natural resource, royalty checks, land claim settlement funds, the child benefit payment increase, when it was annualized that first year, the Nutrition North increase. Very, very important that the federal government step forward to improve and work with us and other retailers on food security. That puts money in people's pockets to spend in other necessities for their households. There's a ripple effect in the local spending that takes place. If we're the store that has that product, then we're the ones that are gonna get the business and the sales.
Just to follow up on that last comment, I mean, how would you assess your sourcing and logistics versus competitors in your markets? How have your in-stock levels stacked up against them?
I think they're superior. I think that, you know, I'll just start with Northern Canada. I think the NSA gives us a huge advantage. The way our stores are laid out, we have a bigger focus on big ticket. We're the largest seller of Honda ATVs in the world, snow machines, Ski-Doos, and this is what we do. It's, it's a very, actually bifurcated, but it's quite a stretched existence, right? You know, on one hand, we're trying to sell Tim Hortons. We're trying to get the center store business through our price investment. But when the sort of the bells rang on big ticket, we're geared to do that. Our buyers, our logistics, the way we move our freight in the North, we find room for that product to get to the stores, our sealift.
We're able to flex ourselves to get those sales. I don't think any retailer in the North, Alaska or Canada can do what we do when it comes to big ticket, and certainly doesn't have the supply chain advantage that we do. In the Islands, we have a couple markets where PriceSmart is there. Otherwise, our format is entirely unique in terms of a warehouse club format. It's more the format uniqueness that stands out, and it fits, as Dan said, it really fits the time we're in right now.
Great. Thanks very much.
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Okay, thanks, operator. Well, that'll wrap up our call. We appreciate all the questions. We hope that everyone has a safe summer, and has time off. We're gonna do the same. We're gonna be busy, based on the way the quarter is going, and everyone is gonna be adapting and adjusting. We'll look forward to reporting on how we're doing and what's around the corner next when we get back together with you at the end of Q2 in September. Thanks very much.
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