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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Mar 16, 2022

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Nexus REIT 2021 fourth quarter results conference call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kelly Hanczyk, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thank you. I'd like to welcome everyone to the 2021 full year and fourth quarter results conference call for Nexus Industrial REIT. Joining me today is Robert Chiasson, the Chief Financial Officer of the REIT. Before we begin, I'd like to caution with regard to forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. Certain statements made during this conference call may constitute forward-looking statements, which reflect the REIT's current expectations and projections about future results. Also, during this call, we will be discussing non-GAAP measures. Please refer to our MD&A and the REIT's other securities filings, which can be found at sedar.com for cautions regarding forward-looking information and for information about non-GAAP measures. 2021 was a defining year for the REIT.

We continue to successfully execute on our strategy of becoming Canada's next pure-play industrial REIT, which culminated in a recent name change as of March seventh to Nexus Industrial REIT, which is a name that better defines our strategy and objectives moving forward. In the fourth quarter, we closed on approximately CAD 416 million of industrial acquisitions with strong covenants such as Loblaw, Sobeys, and MRC Global. The blended cap rate for these acquisitions was approximately 5.13%. For the year, our acquisitions totaled CAD 674 million at a cap rate of approximately 5.7%. As we look forward to 2022, we continue to be focused on growing our platform and deploying the capital raised in 2021.

We've closed on an additional 10 high-quality industrial buildings totaling CAD 236 and a half million at a blended cap rate of approximately 5.12% in the first quarter of 2022. In addition, we are under contract for 2 additional properties, a brand-new build-to-suit strong covenant distribution center in Ottawa, and one in London, which is in the process of having a 150,000 sq ft new addition being built. These 2 properties total approximately CAD 167 million, and they're expected to close hopefully in January and April of next year. As you can see, we continue to have a very active pipeline of deal flow, and we have the liquidity to be able to execute on a significant amount of additional industrial transactions throughout the balance of this year.

Our occupancy for the fourth quarter was up slightly from last quarter. In the industrial portfolio, our vacancy continues to be mainly a 25,000 sq ft industrial space at 41 Royal Vista Drive in Calgary. A new lease deal that was scheduled to commence in January has been slow to transpire, and they're waiting for permitting. We're hopeful that the deal we had agreed to in principle is successfully completed, but in the interim, we've begun to re-market the space. In Richmond, B.C., we continue with the redevelopment of an approximately 60,000 sq ft building for two tenants. Unfortunately, timelines continue to get extended from what we originally anticipated as the developer continues to run into some supply chain issues. Approximately half of the building will be effectively a brand-new structure as the previously structured was demolished and rebuilt from scratch.

Both tenants' rent will commence once they take possession of the space. While delayed again, the completion and possession are expected to occur sometime in July of this year. That's what I'm hopeful for. As mentioned previously, it's fairly important to us because upon completion, our NOI will increase by approximately CAD 165,000 per month. In Montreal, we continue to work with the developer on the sale of some excess land at L'Île Bizard. The developer is moving along with their approvals from the city, but is much slower than they originally anticipated. It looks like now, as expected, a closing of the transaction towards the end of the year, which will allow us to realize our first payment from the developer. In our recently acquired London portfolio, 2022 should be a solid year for renewals and re-leasing.

We have approximately 345,000 sq ft expiring throughout the year and expect renewals and new deals to create approximately CAD 1-CAD 2 per sq ft in increased rental rates. We're currently finalizing permit drawings for an approximately 100,000 sq ft addition to our existing building at 1285 Hubrey that we will build on spec and are also working on another deal with an existing tenant, which would expand them by approximately 35,000 sq ft. Vacancy in London continues to be an all-time low, and the fundamentals in the market remain really strong. On the disposition front, we have 2 of our suburban Montreal office properties currently under due diligence by a purchaser.

One more suburban office, a mixed office retail, and a single tenant retail property currently in a marketing process, so we expect bids by the end of the month. In addition, our retail mall in Victoria will be launched for sale by the end of the month, and we are also in the process of a portfolio review identifying non-core assets that we may dispose of throughout the year and continue with our evolution of high grading of the portfolio. I'll now hand it over to Rob to give greater detail on the REIT's financials.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks, Kelly. As Kelly mentioned, we've been busy deploying capital raised throughout 2021 and 2022.

On November 22, we completed a CAD 148 million block deal equity financing, part of the proceeds of which were used to acquire the Sobeys Distribution Centre on December 9. However, we ended the year with CAD 83 million of cash on the balance sheet available to deploy on acquisitions. We'll see acquisitions completed in the first quarter of 2022 contribute to increasing our FFO and AFFO per unit and decreasing our payout ratio. Q4 FFO and AFFO were impacted by an approximately CAD 100,000 early repayment fee for debt on a retail property which was sold in November. We revalued our portfolio in the quarter, seeing fair value increases primarily in our industrial portfolio.

We also had a small fair value adjustment of our retail properties where we took COVID-related valuation allowances in 2020, which were partially reversed in the fourth quarter of 2021, as the impact of COVID on our retail tenants has dwindled. Same store NOI was up approximately CAD 50,000 in the fourth quarter as compared to the third quarter, primarily due to percentage rents, and up CAD 200,000 over Q4 2020, primarily due to steps in rents. As Kelly mentioned, we continue to have a 25,000 sq ft vacancy in a Calgary industrial property. Upon leasing this space, we'll see a boost to NOI. Also, upon the completion of the Richmond, B.C. property repurposing, we'll earn approximately CAD 1.9 million a year of rents and NOI.

G&A expense was higher Q4 as compared to Q3, primarily due to increased staffing costs, including bonus accrual true-ups. I'll now turn the call back to Kelly.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks, Rob. I'll pass it over to the operator to answer any questions that you might have.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. Our first question is from Frederic Blondeau with Laurentian Bank Securities. Please go ahead.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Thank you, good morning. Just on the balance sheet, Rob, how do you feel with the 41% debt to GBV, when considering the acquisition pipeline, but also those intensification opportunities that you guys are currently seeing?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. We do have a number of unencumbered properties, and we completed a number of acquisitions in the first quarter of 2022. I think that we'll see the debt-to-total-assets increase a bit, probably upwards of about 45% by the end of the first quarter. We still have the capacity to do probably, I don't know, about a hundred to 150 million dollars of acquisitions in addition to the two properties that we have under PSA to close in 2023.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Oh, that's great.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. One of those acquisitions, just keep in mind, the London acquisition is a unit deal.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Right. Okay. Got it. While I got your attention, Rob, your G&A expense was a bit higher than our estimate. What would be a good run rate for Q4 from here?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Q4 had some true-ups. I would say that a run rate in and around CAD 1.7.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Got it.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. 1.6. 1.6 would probably be a good number.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Perfect. Maybe one for Kelly, just on those intensification opportunities, what are your views on expected yield on costs, especially your views on costs per se? What would be your expected overall budget for those at this stage?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. The 100,000 stacks that we would do is probably about CAD 120 a foot, I think is our preliminary costing. Actually came in a little lower, but I'm just using that number. I would expect somewhere between, you know, 7% return on that, maybe 7.5%.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

The expansion that we are looking at with one tenant, that would be at a slightly higher return for there. Those are two right away that we'll look to to hopefully commence this year, at least permitting and all the process that goes around it. It's kinda interesting, you know, when I look at the portfolio as a whole, you know, we have Huron Clark Road in London where, you know, we have 16 acres of land there that it has to go through a little bit of a process with the city, but we could probably build 300,000 sq ft there in the future.

We've got 22 acres at Titan Business Park in Regina, which is a new one. That's a separate parcel of land that we're looking at doing something because the previous owner had some plans already in the works. We're kind of assuming those and looking at that to see if we can get a pre-lease done and a build for them, build-to-suit. You know, we've got, I'm just trying to see what else. 375 Exeter, we could probably expand that by 100,000 sq ft.

You know, we're working on something there. We've got some other opportunities where, you know, existing tenants have land and we may purchase that and do a new build for them. I expect over the next several years to be fairly active on that side of things.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Two projects in particular in 2022, I guess, would be your focus for now?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. Hopefully, I mean, hopefully the supply chain and the delivery of steel doesn't continue to delay things a lot. You know, steel is at a premium right now, and it's tough to get. Whether it's this year or beginning of next year, at some point, it depends on the process.

Frederic Blondeau
Managing Director and Head of Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Perfect. Thank you.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

No problem.

Operator

Our next question is from Joanne Chen with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Hey, good morning.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Good morning.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

I guess just on your lease maturity for this year, the 3,580. How much of that is industrial and what sort of renewal spreads are you guys expecting to achieve?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I'd say the majority of that is industrial. Roughly 400,000 sq ft is industrial. I'll let Kelly talk to the upside, but it's.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. A lot of it is in London, so call it 350,000 sq ft. I think we'll see anywhere from CAD 1-CAD 2.50 depending on the space that we have. Keep in mind, in some of those, if it's, you know, on the smaller scale, that'll probably have larger steps in rent, maybe 7%-10% per year, to bring them up to speed. That's positively seen for us because I don't think we'll have to spend any money, any TIs or anything like that or any downtime even. That's positive. Then to be on. That's the majority of the space. I'd say on the other side, I don't have it in front of me, so Joanne Chen, I'd have to get back to you.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Take a look.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. No, that's still helpful. I guess, you know, obviously you guys are keeping very busy on the acquisitions front, so I guess you're still kind of focused on the same markets in 2022 as you did in 2021. I guess what sort of cap rates are you guys seeing in your target markets now?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I'd like to say fluffy enough, but cap rates are driving down right across the board or right across Canada.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

We'll be active in Edmonton, I think Regina, Winnipeg, Calgary, Montreal, Southwestern Ontario. I think those are where our focus is. You know, I'm targeting in and around the 5 caps is sort of where I've been seeing a lot of stuff. We've seen a lot of opportunity in the lower range, in the 4 caps and low 4 cap and, you know, 4s. We've kind of been a bit selective now, and I'm trying to get those cap rates up a little bit of like the things we're targeting or have some pretty decent rental rate increases for growth going forward. Those are the markets we're still targeting.

It's a little more challenging now, although I say that we do have a lot of discussions going on with a number of vendors, so it's still pretty active. I'm still looking at 2022 as a pretty strong acquisition year.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. No, that's great. You still have the opportunity to source off market deals as well, right? That's definitely an advantage.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. We also keep in mind when we're talking liquidity, we do have a portfolio for sale right now that should free up additional liquidity for us. We are looking at our existing portfolio and identifying non-core assets where we can, you know, sell those, sell out of them, maybe our earlier assets, and redeploy that and continue to high-grade the portfolio. It really is an evolution that we're continuing this year.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

I guess on that, we should expect acquisition activity to pick up quite a bit this year, just given that, you know, firmer market for retail and I guess office as well, right? So.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah, that's a good assumption.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. I guess one last one for me. On the cap rate compression this quarter, which market did you guys experience the strongest compression? Would it be, I guess, the strength of the London market?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. I'd say London, certainly we saw some compression. We saw compression really across Canada. I'd say.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Mm-hmm.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Maybe a quarter point in Western Canada, Calgary, Edmonton, and you know, quarter to a half in Southwestern Ontario. We're really seeing it in all markets across the board.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. Yep. I know this is the asset class to be in for sure in industrial.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, congrats on the official name change, by the way. Yeah.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thank you.

Joanne Chen
Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That is it. That's been very helpful. That's it for me. I will turn it back. Thanks very much, guys.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Rothschild with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Mark Rothschild
Managing Director of Research, Canaccord Genuity

Thanks. Good morning, guys. Following all this growth and acquisitions which has been, you know, quite robust, will you just a little expand on what are your thoughts are and as far as, the maintaining this pace of growth, how important is it, in the face of, you know, lower cap rates and tighter spreads? To what extent is accretion on acquisitions, important, more important, going forward?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I think it's still important. You know, we're striving to get bigger because as you get bigger, obviously you can get included on some of the indexes, which helps to drive your unit price. You know, if we can continue to grow at a decent clip, eventually get rated where we could issue our own debt, which puts us in a better competition for assets just from a cost of capital. You know, overall, when we're looking now, we're sitting with liquidity, and I'm trying to find cap rates in and around the 5 cap. It's gotten pretty robust competition, you know, in Edmonton and Calgary have picked up extremely in the last quarter, I'd say.

The acquisitions we got and the cap rates we got was very opportunistic because I think we got them at cap rates that are gone from those markets. We do have a bunch of off-market deals that we're trying to work on right now that would be nice cap rates. I'm always trying to blend the two, right? When I talk about fourth quarter, the blended cap rate, you know, some were lower, some were higher. My overall target and what we've been able to do is over that 5 cap. That's what we're still continuing to do because that's still fairly accretive for us going forward.

Mark Rothschild
Managing Director of Research, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, great. Thanks. That's all for me.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Our next question is from Brad Sturges with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Hi there. Just to focus on your comments on the disposition side, obviously you've got a process going for certain assets that you've talked about for a couple of quarters. Where would that put you in terms of timing of transactions? Would that be more Q2, Q3 for the majority of contemplating near-term transactions on the sale side right now?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

On the sale side. The stuff that we're. There's a couple that are under due diligence that if everything goes fine, that would probably be, what is it? March, you know, end of April. Then the others, we're expecting to be out in the market and get a bid back, end of the month after March break when everyone's back. Those would probably be looking at a, you know, beginning of May for those type of ones. Then the big one, Victoriaville, that's the big one, which quite frankly, we're working on a big deal there and that's why it's taking a little bit longer because that's created value in that property. Then once we're complete on that and have it papered, we'll go to market.

That's larger and that would probably be, you know, June type of closing on that asset, I would think. That's kind of what we have scheduled right now.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

I guess the guidance had been previously about CAD 100 million this year in that near-term pipeline. Is that still the case in terms of expected proceeds?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. On the near-term pipeline, yes. We are bandying around a few others that we're internally discussing. You know, the second half of the year that can continue on. We haven't finalized anything there yet.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Just on that, I guess within your commentary, you talked about looking at other.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Mm-hmm.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Non-core asset opportunities. It seemed to imply that was perhaps, you know, some industrial. You know, just talk about whether or not that's the case and how do you see maybe some capital rotation out of certain assets within the industrial side to help rotate into, I guess, higher quality or higher growth opportunities that you're seeing in your acquisition pipeline.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah, for sure. Let me preface this by we've absorbed a huge amount of square footage, and so we're internally absorbing that and getting it all set up. Now we're marketing and selling another batch. That takes time. Now we're looking at, you know, second half of the year, what do we have coming up? We may there'll probably be another office asset or maybe two that we will look at later in the year. Some non-core sites that we have that were earlier transactions in our life cycle back from, you know, 2014 and 2015 that are in more remote markets where we can recycle out of that capital and put it back into the Edmonton, Calgary, Montreal, GTA, you know, Southwestern Ontario, where we're seeing opportunities.

I think you'll see a little bit of that second half of the year.

Brad Sturges
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, that's great. I'll turn it back.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks, Brad.

Operator

Our next question is from Kyle Stanley with Desjardins. Please go ahead.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Thanks. Morning, guys.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Morning.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Just sticking on that, the previous line of questioning. I'm just wondering, as you look to potentially exit some of those non-core assets and, you know, your legacy assets in tertiary markets, have you seen similar levels of cap rate compression from those assets as you maybe have in call it Edmonton or Calgary?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

No. I'd say right now, no. They're lagging behind, so we really haven't touched those from a valuation standpoint in our net. Although, and I say this loosely, the way things are going out there, it's possible. As we head into the second half of the year and if oil and gas continues to accelerate the way it is, it definitely could be a possibility. We're definitely looking at some of them, some of those tertiary markets in Alberta.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Just looking at the Savage Road complex for a second, more of a modeling question, I guess. Would you expect the same level of income support now over the next, you know, first quarter and second quarter before anticipated completion and delivery in July?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

The income support is on the first phase, the roughly 110,000 sq ft, where we have the rock climbing, the swim school, and the soccer school. I think that will be turned over. Just daycare coming on and others, I think that'll be turned over about, Kelly, in-

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

the same timeline.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

It should be relatively soon. I know the daycare is a big chunk of space there, and they are just waiting for their occupancy permit. Just the nature of their business, they have to have all things, i's dotted and t's crossed. That will be turned over there. That to us is effectively, it doesn't affect our NOI, right?

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Well, it affects the geography of our NOI.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I guess to answer your question on that, on that 110,000 sq ft, it's about CAD 3.1 million between NOI and vendor rent support. Until that's complete, we'd expect similar levels of vendor rent support. We'd expect to be getting CAD 3.1 million a year out of that building, either by way of vendor rent support or NOI directly.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Okay. Clear enough. Just last, in sticking with the Savage Road property, just wondering if there's any update on the 70,000 sq ft expansion. Just thinking back, I think, you know, in the past you've mentioned, you know, the potential for further intensification of the site, maybe looking at stacked industrial. Just kind of wondering if, you know, have your plans changed there at all, or what are you thinking about longer term for that asset?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. For me, the 70, it's actually about 74,000, I think will still go. I'm holding off a little bit because I'm reluctant to start it right away while I'm ongoing on the other side. I wanna get closer to the possession of those two vacancies that we have. As we get close to that, I'll make a decision to go forward. That is still in our plans to go forward. I think once we complete that, we will look to probably stop and make a decision on the asset.

Because when I look at the asset as a whole, it gives us a good opportunity. We have very little debt on it to perhaps in the future roll out of that asset and then redeploy those proceeds right back into industrial assets. That's a decision that's to be down the line once we start and get closer to finishing on the addition.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Okay.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

We'll have realized significant value at that point as well. That's when I'll make the decision there.

Kyle Stanley
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Real Estate, Desjardins

Okay. Thanks, guys. I'll turn it back.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

No problem.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question is from Matt Kornack with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Good morning, guys.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Morning.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

On the disposition side with regards to the non-core assets, those, there's no leasing pressure or near-term maturities at those assets. They're good cash flowing properties. It's just a question of the geographies they're in. Is that fair?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I would say most of them, yeah, are full. Actually, they're all full right now.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I'd say aside from a smaller CAD 10 million-CAD 15 million office property in New Brunswick, I'd say that that's the case. They're well tenanted.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Yeah. Okay. No, yeah, I'm thinking more on the industrial side. It's those properties, the higher cap rate would be potentially a function of just where they're located, not necessarily the tenants.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

the length of the lease term. Okay. Fair enough.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. They're remote locations.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

On your disclosure with regards to the London lease step-ups on renewals or new leasing, can you give a sense as to what that is on a percentage basis? Kelly, did I hear you correctly that you're not taking it all sort of in the initial step, but you're gonna spread it out through higher sort of annual rent steps throughout the course of the lease as well?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. When we look at the portfolio, you know, there are instances where we might see $2, $2.25, maybe $2.50 a sq ft. There are others that have a little bit more in the industrial space, but a little bit more office-laden, so not as valuable space. That might be in the lower range of the increases. As it is, the market as a whole is very, very tight, so the leasing is very strong. What we're looking at probably is a smaller increase because I'm balancing out, you know, no downtime, no TI, no money spent. Maybe on the first year, we take a slightly smaller lift, and we get, I don't know, maybe 10% increases per year for the next 4 or 5 years.

Balancing it out to get us to the rate that we want, probably by year two or three.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

I think as a percentage of expiring, we're probably looking at 30%-40%. It's a bit of a challenging number to calculate quickly just because we're converting some gross leases to net leases.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Fair.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

30%-40% of expiring rents. Kelly, would that be?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah. Yeah.

Robert Chiasson
CFO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

I guess taking it a bit further for London and maybe across the portfolio, is that your general view as to where the mark-to-market opportunity is? For those locations, and then also maybe if you could kind of speak to the trajectory of market rents, because presumably those are increasing at a pretty steady pace as well.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah, London's increasing significantly. Like there is 0 vacancy right now. So you know, that's where we see our growth in the portfolio in the next couple of years, 'cause then there's some more of that expire in 2023. So, you know, overall in that portfolio we're pretty well under market rent. Now the entire portfolio across the board, I'm kind of a little reluctant to comment because things are changing rapidly in Calgary and Edmonton.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Yep.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

It's happening quarter-over-quarter. I think it's just a little bit premature to comment because it is changing really fast.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Sure. I'm not sure how your portfolio would've done last year there, but is the thought. I mean, it seems like occupancies are improving, and rents. I mean, they were maybe down slightly for some of your peers, but the view is

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

That's gonna get back to flat and start increasing in the near term. Is that a fair characterization?

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Yeah, I think that's fair. That's what we're seeing as well. You know, Regina. You know, we're in Regina and I expect good things from Regina. There's gonna be a mass, you know, I call it mass from Regina, but strong population growth there, strong industrial growth there, I think from just the industries that are moving in and so that's gonna be a fairly strong market going forward over the next several years, I think.

Matt Kornack
Real Estate Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay, perfect. Appreciate it. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for those weighted average interest rates over the debt maturity profile.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

Thanks a lot, Matt. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Hanczyk for any closing remarks.

Kelly Hanczyk
CEO, Nexus Industrial REIT

No, I just wanna say thanks for everybody for joining us and then we'll hopefully have some really positive news next quarter and continue on. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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