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Earnings Call: Q2 2019

Jul 25, 2019

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Precision Drilling Corporation 2019 second quarter results conference call and webcast. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If you require operator assistance during the program, please press star then zero on your touchtone telephone. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce this conference call. Mr. Dustin Honing, you may begin.

Dustin Honing
Manager, Investor Relations, Precision Drilling

Thank you, Kevin. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Precision Drilling's second quarter 2019 earnings conference call and webcast. Participating today on the call with me are Kevin Neveu, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Carey Ford, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Through our news release earlier today, Precision reported its second quarter 2019 results. Please note these financial figures are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise indicated. Some of our comments today will refer to non-IFRS financial measures such as EBITDA and operating earnings. Please see our news release for additional disclosure on these financial measures. Our comments today will include forward-looking statements regarding Precision's future results and prospects. We caution you that these forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations.

Please see our news release and other regulatory filings for more information on these forward-looking statements and these risk factors. Carey will begin today's call with a brief discussion of our second quarter operating results. Kevin will provide an operational update and outlook. With that, I'll turn it over to you, Carey.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Thank you, Dustin. In addition to reviewing the second quarter results, I will provide an update on our 2019 capital plan and management of our capital structure. Precision's strong 2019 financial performance continues with second quarter adjusted EBITDA of CAD 81 million, 30% higher than the second quarter of 2018. The increase in adjusted EBITDA from last year is primarily the result of higher activity levels and day rates in our U.S. business and improved CMP performance, offset by lower activity in our Canadian drilling business. Additionally, the quarter benefited from the impact of IFRS 16 and lower share-based incentive compensation. In the quarter, we recognized a CAD 4 million share-based compensation expense compared to CAD 10 million in Q2 2018.

In the U.S., drilling activity for Precision increased 6% from Q2 2018, while margins were up approximately $850 per day, positively impacted by higher day rates and partially offset by higher operating costs. Sequentially, day rates and margins, net of turnkey and idle but contracted payments, increased approximately $220 and decreased approximately $240 respectively. We expect to sustain similar margins into the third quarter. In Canada, drilling activity for Precision decreased 15% from Q2 2018, while margins were down approximately CAD 1,160 per day from the prior year. Net of shortfall payments, margins were lower by approximately CAD 1,600 per day. Although we experienced higher activity in the quarter than expected, margins were negatively impacted by rig mix as a higher percentage of shallower rigs worked during the quarter.

As we expect Q3 activity to be down this year versus last, weaker overhead absorption is likely to cause margin pressure with daily operating margin down between $250-$750 per day compared to Q3 2018. Internationally, drilling activity for Precision equaled activity in Q2 2018, and average day rates were up $1,710 per day as a result of recontracting rigs at higher rates. In our CMP division, adjusted EBITDA this quarter was $2.8 million, an increase of approximately $4 million to the prior year, a direct result of business improvement initiatives enacted over the past several quarters. Of note, the improved financial results were delivered with lower industry activity than the prior year. Capital expenditures for the quarter were $43 million. For 2019, our capital plan remains $169 million flat with previous guidance.

The 2019 capital plan is comprised of CAD 52 million for sustaining and infrastructure and CAD 117 million for upgrade and expansion. Our capital expenditure plan remains front-end loaded as we delivered a U.S. new build rig early in Q1 and completed an SCR to AC ST-1500 conversion, which was delivered in the second quarter. We also delivered our sixth new build rig to Kuwait during the quarter. We expect capital expenditures for the remainder of the year to primarily consist of maintenance expenditures. We have continued to build our contract book during the year. In the quarter, we signed 16 term contracts. As of July 24th, we had an average of 63 contracts in hand for the third quarter and an average of 64 contracts for the full year 2019. As of June 30th, 2019, our long-term debt position net of cash is CAD 1.45 billion.

We had CAD 81 million in cash on our balance sheet, and our total liquidity position was CAD 770 million. During the first half of 2019, we made open market purchases totaling USD 43 million and year to date have called USD 50 million of our outstanding 2021 notes. Our year to date 2019 debt reductions total CAD 124 million. We continue to view cash flow generation and debt reduction as top priorities this year. We have raised our targeted 2019 debt reduction to CAD 200 million, up from a range of CAD 100 million-CAD 150 million. As of June 30th, our ratio of net debt to trailing 12-month EBITDA sits at 3.6 times, and we continue to work towards our longer-term target ratio of below 2 times.

Our average cash interest cost is 6.7%. With 2019 target debt reduction, we expect run rate interest expense will be just under CAD 100 million to exit the year, assuming today's U.S. dollar, Canadian dollar exchange rate. Our earliest debt maturity is USD 116 million, due December 2021, and will be a focus in our near-term debt reduction plans. The next debt maturity is not due until December 2023. For 2019, we expect depreciation to be approximately CAD 330 million and SGA to be approximately CAD 105 million prior to share-based compensation expense. We would expect cash taxes to remain low and our effective tax rate to be in the 20%-25% range. Following our successful divestitures in the first half of 2019, generating CAD 82 million in proceeds, we will continue to look for selective opportunities to divest non-core assets for additional cash flow.

I will now turn the call over to Kevin for further discussion of the business and outlook.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Good afternoon, and thank you, Carey. Managing a labor-intensive oil service business during a period of extreme commodity price volatility is a challenge. The second quarter of 2019 was no exception. Our North American customers face the same issues, as the cycle times to drill and complete wells, especially large pads, is often longer than the commodity price links. Despite these challenges, investor expectations for capital discipline, that is spending within cash flow, are being met by the E&P community at large, and we expect our customers to stay in this mode through the balance of 2019. For Precision, this creates both opportunities for our Super Series rigs and technologies and risks with overall E&P spending constraints. Precision is extremely well-positioned for these volatile market conditions, and I believe our strong second quarter results demonstrate that positioning.

I'll discuss this in more detail for each of our geographic markets, but I'll start with a review of Precision's strategic priorities. Regarding the focus on debt reduction, I reiterate Carey's comments that our intention is to accelerate our debt reduction plans at every opportunity. Increasing our debt reduction target for this year to CAD 200 million will position us already near the bottom end of our four-year target just two years into the plan. Importantly, this also brings our debt to EBITDA leverage target of 102 times clearly into focus. Every investor we've met with over the past several quarters applauds both our stated debt reduction targets and the progress we have achieved towards those targets. I will tell you that our management team has this priority well in hand and will continue to deliver on this key priority throughout this year and the coming periods.

Just touching on our second priority, leveraging our scale to deliver free cash flow. I think Carey covered that priority well, but I'll add that the recent organizational changes we announced are designed to leave no stone unturned and look for every single opportunity to create additional cash flow. I know our team is already uncovering some leverage opportunities, and I look forward to this increased focus on cost management. Before I get to our technology priority, I'll review our regional update, beginning with the U.S. Looking at the U.S., our second quarter activity came in slightly lower than the guidance we provided on our April conference call. Responding to the volatility in crude prices, the E&P operators began turning back active rigs as they defended the narrative of capital discipline.

Precision's active rig count pulled back nominally from our prior guidance to the mid-70s during the second quarter and has held in this range through today with 73 rigs running and one rig idle but contracted. We expect the IBC rig will return to operations later this quarter when it transitions to a new customer contract. Earlier, I mentioned how this volatility also creates opportunities. This was evident as our customers increased focus and attention on all avenues to increase capital efficiency with the rigs they continue to operate. Drilling efficiency, non-productive time, increasing pad sizes, and technologies aimed to improve efficiency all received substantially increased customer attention during the quarter. For Precision, this led to stable utilization for our super-spec rigs, firm pricing on contract renewals, and the signing of 15 term contracts during the quarter.

We also experienced a step change in system utilization on our PAC automation and AlphaApps operations. I'll have more on this later. Utilization of our Super Triple in the U.S. remains over 90%. We mobilized our first SCR to AC upgrade during the quarter, bringing our fleet to 68 AC padwalking rigs. I'll remind you that we have grown our U.S. Super Triple fleet 10% in the last 18 months through upgrades, Canadian rig transfers, and new builds, all contracted on favorable terms. We have 12-24 additional candidates in our fleet for similar SCR to AC upgrades and several more Canadian transfer candidates should U.S. customer demand and day rate economics support the additional investments. Currently, Precision does not have any further upgrade or transfer plans for this year. E&P operators will continue to carefully manage spending.

Industry activity may further soften, but the focus on drilling efficiency will continue. All of Precision's 68 Super Triple rigs are configured for XY pad walking and all have long reach horizontal drilling capabilities. We expect sustained firm demand for Precision's performance leading Super Triple rigs and expect stable pricing and activity trends we mentioned earlier will continue through the balance of the year, of course, assuming commodity price volatility does not widen. Turning to Canada. In our Canadian business, besides the commodity price volatility, Canada has the additional challenges of government mandated production curtailments and constricted export capacity. These challenges have led to a substantial reduction in industry activity for the first half of 2019, and Precision has not been immune. You'll recall that during the first quarter, our activity was down 30% year-over-year, tracking with the overall industry.

During the second quarter, we substantially narrowed the gap by gaining market share. This was achieved through a combination of product mix with our Super Triple rigs, technology deployment on those rigs, and of course, our highly efficient mobile Super Single rigs. Our market share rose to 30% early in the second quarter and has held with 45 rigs running today. Excuse me. Through the second quarter, we averaged 27 active rigs, just 15% behind last year. Rain and wet weather impacted drilling and servicing activities throughout the basin in the latter part of the second quarter and through the third week of July. Things seem to be drying out now, and industry activity is improving. I expect for the balance of the third quarter, Precision's Canadian activity will hover in the mid 40s to low 50s.

While visibility on the fourth quarter has not yet fully developed, we are not anticipating any significant reductions in activities. Pricing in Canada is fickle. With continued pricing pressure on the shallower rigs, we expect those rigs could see margin reductions in the CAD 500-CAD 1,000 range, while we expect stable margins on our Super Triple rigs operating primarily in the Montney. Overall, we expect average rates and margins for the third quarter down just nominally from the prior year. Moving to our international segment. Carey mentioned that we deployed our sixth Super Triple rig in Kuwait, and this rig spudded on July 1st, a couple of weeks ahead of schedule, and the rig build was completed under budget. Both of these are wins from a cash generation perspective. Kuwait and Saudi Arabia remain key to our stable international business.

With nine rigs operating, we believe we have achieved the scale we desire. We also continue to pursue opportunities to activate our idle rigs in Kurdistan with several ongoing customer discussions. It certainly seems interest is strengthening in this area. Our international business, primarily with NOCs, national oil companies, ensures a stable revenue stream isolated through the volatility and seasonality we experience in North American markets. Turning to our completions and productions business, our team locked down another strong quarter during the seasonally slow Canadian spring breakup. While I often refer to this business as non-core, the operating results and contribution cash flow turnaround is remarkable. During the second quarter, through intensive cost controls with activity down 7% from last year, the segment reported a CAD 4 million increase in EBITDA. The improvement is excellent and consistent with the gains they've made over the last several quarters.

Our CMP team, like all in Precision, are keenly focused on leveraging our scale, reducing costs, and delivering free cash flow. These results are strong. Circling back to our 2019 key priorities, our third priority is to fully commercialize our technology. During the second quarter, it feels like we're approaching a tipping point with our customers. As I've discussed in the past, we need to achieve high utilization levels at the rig to demonstrate the efficiency benefits. Even then, field resistance by well site consultants has been an obstacle. Clearly, our customers are stepping up the strategic focus on efficiency. They want to ensure the capital they deploy to operating rigs is delivering the lowest cost and most efficient drilling operation possible. This message is getting through the field, and we see support improving, even those who resisted this technology in the past.

During the quarter, we drilled 195 wells with our PAC automation suite. We added a new customer, which will see our 34 system deployed in August. We deployed our first fully commercialized drilling app. We have several more apps approaching full commercialization. Earlier this year, we kicked off our big data collaboration initiative with Hitachi, another partnership like we have for other technology initiatives, who's a leader in industrial automation and big data. During the second quarter, we delivered the first phase objectives, continuously processing more than 20,000 data streams per second per rig, providing actionable data to the right people at the right time, enabling the best real-time decisions. Additionally, we're leveraging insights from Hitachi's IoT analytics platform to optimize our equipment performance and to identify improvement opportunities and well delivery for our customers. Our technology initiatives are underway in every North American region we operate.

Our customers include super majors, large intermediates, regional junior producers, and private equity E&Ps. The efficiency and predictability this technology provides reinforces the already remarkable efficiency of our pad walking Super Series rigs. We are on track to fully commercialize our technology offerings this year and believe this will be a competitive advantage which positions Precision well ahead of our competitors. I know many Precision employees are also shareholders in Precision, and I expect many are listening to this call. I want to thank all the employees of Precision for their hard work supporting our customers, driving our competitive advantage, and leveraging our scale to drive the costs down. Thank you. Now, just before I conclude, I've got a couple of comments I want to share.

Most of you know that I spend most of my time based in our Houston office, as does most of our leadership. You also know that Precision's moved two of its advanced Super Triple 1500 horsepower rigs from Canada to the U.S., and we'll consider moving more if the economics are compelling. I'll say that Precision remains committed to Canada as a leading services provider in the Canadian market, and Canada remains important to Precision as a source of high-quality key personnel and strong free cash flow. I must say I'm very disappointed with the weak energy investment environment in Canada. I believe this is a direct result of the lack of federal government leadership and uncooperative political self-interest evident in British Columbia and Quebec.

Like most energy firms operating in the Canadian region, we are deeply frustrated by the Canadian federal government's failure to support the Canadian oil and gas industry's globally recognized leadership for social and environmentally responsible energy development. The federal government's perplexing energy infrastructure and transportation policy with the passage of bills C-69 and C-48 is clearly intended to undermine the domestic energy industry. With the federal election in Canada later this year, candidates on all fronts should be supporting and taking credit for the strong, vibrant, environmentally and socially responsible Canadian energy industry that Precision's a part of. There's no question that responsible Canadian energy production and exports are a critically important component in global social, environmental, and climate strategies. I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or a comment at this time, please press a star, then the one key on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. Our first question comes from Sean Meakim with J.P. Morgan.

Sean Meakim
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thank you. Hey, good morning.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Good afternoon, Sean.

Sean Meakim
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Kevin, just on the near-term outlook in the U.S., yours is particularly more constructive than that of your peers that hosted their calls earlier today. I don't think that's new in terms of the consistency of the outlook that you've been sharing with us over the course of the year, but I was hoping you could just maybe opine a little bit about to what would you ascribe that difference? Is it near-term stronger contract coverage as a percentage of your fleet, customer or geographic mix? Does that give you any pause beyond the third quarter at some point as contracts start to roll, could that direction change?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Sean, I'll start by saying that I think the biggest risk we face is increasing commodity price volatility. I've kind of couched my comments around the current range. I can tell you that our customers got nervous when we saw the commodity price again drift into the lower 50s for a little while earlier, early in June, but it's come back above that range. I think that's a risk. Just turning back to our fleet for a moment. I re-stress that we have 68 Super Triple rigs in the U.S. They're all pad configured. They're all able to drill long reach horizontal wells. We're deploying technology on a number of those rigs. I think that you could call it our customer mix based on pad drilling and development drilling, which I think leads us to a little more stability.

I think we're less exposed to de-risking drilling and kind of single one-off pads or small pads. I think it really is the focus on development drilling that's holding our stability and our activity through the third quarter and probably into the fourth quarter. Certainly, the contract book that we built up during the second quarter carries on, in most cases, through the balance of this year into next year.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Yeah, Sean, I'll just add to that. Kevin mentioned we've got 68 AC triples that are working in the U.S. at above 90% utilization. If you assume a rig count of 73, let's say 63 AC triples working, we've got 10 rigs that would not have the same characterization. Those would be at risk if the rig count were to decrease, those are gonna be lower margins than the Super Triple rigs.

Sean Meakim
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Right. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for that. Just, I want to touch on free cash as that has been the number one priority, and you guys have been executing very well in that regard. As we think about the two times leverage target, and you mentioned some of the volatility, there's clearly a lack of visibility in your business at the moment. Given the leverage you have to pull, it seems like you're pretty confident that within a normal range of expected outcomes, that you've got good line of sight to that two turns, even if things are a little better or a little worse than what you expected your base case. Is that a fair way of characterizing it?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Well, I think it is, Sean, but what I'd really draw your attention to, we haven't given 2019 or 2020 capital guidance yet. If we're in some market in 2020 that just has zero opportunities for growth, our capital spending could be anywhere from CAD 75 million-CAD 100 million less than it was this year if the market is that tight. That gives us confidence that we'll still have a strong free cash flow profile next year.

Sean Meakim
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

That's right. You have that flexibility that gives you line of sight within that band. Okay.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I'm pretty certain we're not going to be building another rig for Kuwait next year, that CAD 75 million chunk comes out of our capital spending for sure. We had a pretty good start to the year for upgrades and things like that. If that market's not there, then we're looking at a maintenance capital profile in 2020, which then gives us good flexibility on free cash flow.

Sean Meakim
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Got it. Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Connor Lynagh with Morgan Stanley.

Connor Lynagh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Afternoon, guys.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Hey, Connor.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Hey, Connor.

Connor Lynagh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

I was just hoping if we could build on Sean's question a little there. Certainly it seems like your activity outlook is pretty stable. Could you comment on pricing in the market in general, and just have you seen any softness? There's been sort of some diverging data points on that today. Just wondering if you can clarify how you're seeing that shake up in the market.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Yeah. Connor, we'll leave our comments pretty limited in that we expect our pricing margins to remain stable. I'd tell you that for new price discovery on new opportunities, there's very few. Some of the other conference calls today would be people we'd be competing with. Giving away any kind of sense of how we see pricing right now is not something I want to do, but we do expect our rates will remain broadly stable through the third and the fourth quarter.

Connor Lynagh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

That's fair. On the technology side, I was wondering if you could I think you said in your prepared remarks that you're reaching full commercialization on some of the apps. Can you just give us a feel again of the overall technology portfolio, how much is running at sort of a full commercial rate versus more early gate testing?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I don't have those at my fingertips right now. We have all of our units right now in the field running. We've got utilization over 70% on about two-thirds of our units. Those are the units that are likely going to be earning either full rate or something near full rate. The short answer is, we expect to be fully commercial this year. We expect to be earning full rates across the PAC platforms around the end of the year. That's looking pretty good, and the results are good in the field. One app is commercial. We have two or three more apps that are likely a few weeks away from being commercial. If you just think about this in pieces, each PAC system is about CAD 1,500 per day.

Each app could be in the range of CAD 200-CAD 500 per day, and we expect we could see anywhere from one to three apps on a rig sometime this year. I think the new piece we're talking about, the big data piece, we're just getting going on that, but that looks pretty interesting, and we expect to see some revenue coming through on that as the year progresses. I think that in 2020, we'll be able to give better guidance.

Connor Lynagh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, any sort of near-term expectations that we should think of in terms of incremental EBITDA, or do you want to save that for 2020?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I think it's fair to begin modeling those into 2020 numbers, kind of based on the guidance I've given here. There's nothing right now that I see that's not going to allow us to commercialize this year.

Connor Lynagh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

All right, great. Thanks.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from J.B. Lowe with Citi.

J.B. Lowe
Analyst, Citi

Good afternoon, guys.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Hey, J.B.

J.B. Lowe
Analyst, Citi

Kind of attacking one of Sean Meakim's questions from a different way. If activity kind of slows down, but you guys are still generating a pretty decent amount of free cash flow given your contract coverage, could we see debt reduction next year at the same level of this year or above?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

We have put forward a four-year plan, and if, as Kevin Neveu mentioned, we will be pretty close to the low end of our four-year range within the first two years of the plan. We'll still have, think about it as CAD 200 million more to pay down over the next two years to reach the high end of our target range. If we think that we need to pay down more to get to below two times, we will continue, and we'll go beyond that range. I would think about the cash flow as being in that CAD 100 million-CAD 200 million range next year. If there's more opportunities to deploy capital, EBITDA is probably higher. If there's fewer opportunities to deploy capital, EBITDA's lower and CapEx is lower. We'll keep that cash flow band in that CAD 100 million-CAD 200 million range.

J.B. Lowe
Analyst, Citi

Okay, perfect. Then just on further potential divestitures. I know that you guys have done a really good job turning the CMP business around. I don't know if this was one of the businesses that you were going to try to kind of prove up and then try to sell it to somebody. I know it's kind of a separate entity at this point, now that it's generating a pretty significant amount of free cash, I mean, is that something you'd rather just keep in your portfolio at this point? What type of number would it take to pry that out of your hands?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I think first comment I'd make is we don't need to be a seller at the low point in the market, and that's really important. I think that the CMP business in Canada, particularly the well service business, but also rentals and the camp and catering business, are in a really tough spot right now industry-wide. I think that showing return leadership, like I think we're starting to develop here, is important for us. I think that space needs to consolidate. Probably needs it more than most other segments does in Canada. We've always said that we'd like to be part of a consolidation play. I'd be clear that we don't see ourselves as a cash seller in the trough of the market. We still think that Q2 and Q1 were below 2018 activity levels for the industry, so the market is still troughing in that space.

I'm thrilled the team's working hard and done a really good job turning the business around. That cash flow is important to us. It's important to debt reduction. I think we're happy with where we're going right now and not in any panic to do anything at all.

J.B. Lowe
Analyst, Citi

All right. Thanks very much.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Taylor Zurcher with Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co.

Taylor Zurcher
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co.

Hey, good afternoon. Kevin, it feels like the past several quarters it's been kind of a recurring theme that you're still bidding and there's still some good interest for tenders internationally. I think in prepared remarks you talked about Kurdistan again. Kind of a two-part question. One, are you still seeing some good interest in incremental tenders outside of Kurdistan? Two, just more broadly, in the Middle East where your rigs are at today, is there any appetite today to bring some of your AlphaApps technology and Process Automation Control over there moving forward?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Okay. First of all, talk about Kurdistan for a moment. My team over there reminds me they haven't lost a tender yet. The fact is, nothing we've tendered in the past couple of years has been awarded. Most of the projects have been pushed back or delayed or kind of re-tendered. We have a couple ongoing negotiations now that could develop into something. We seem to be getting a little farther down the line than we did in previous tenders. I don't want to build up any false expectations of the market, but I think the likelihood of those rigs can go to work late this year, early next year, looks a little better than it did a quarter ago, but we'll have to wait and see.

If we were awarded something tomorrow, it's probably five or six months before the rigs actually fire up, so it's probably, at best, 2020 event. Coming back to technology, I'll tell you that both in Kuwait and Saudi, customers are also focused on efficiency. That efficiency trend isn't unique to the U.S. or Canada. It's a global trend. Our fleet in Kuwait is all high-spec Super Triple AC rigs, all the same control systems we use in North America. We are confident that we could take that technology into Kuwait and deploy it quickly. I'd say we want to be fully commercial in North America first. We want to have learned all there is to learn before we deploy something literally halfway around the world in a plane flight away, not just a pickup truck drive away. That's our current strategy.

I'd say that we're working with KOC and sort of pushing back their expectations until we are certain we can deploy this technology in that market with zero downtime. I'll comment that working in Kuwait for us is very good business, but it's a very unforgiving market in that it's deep, high pressure, high temperature drilling. You do not want to have a mechanical failure or a system control failure. You can't afford downtime. You can't afford to have an operational failure. The BOPs on the rigs are 15,000 PSI. One control issue could become fatal quickly. All of these high technology issues have to be very carefully vetted before we apply them to these rigs.

Taylor Zurcher
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks for that. More of a modeling related question in the U.S. I think you said that over the back half, the outlook is still for relatively kind of flattish pricing versus today, and rig count holding in pretty firm versus today. I guess that my question is my inference that margins over the back half stay relatively flattish? Is that the correct inference to make there?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

I think the guidance we gave, Taylor, was on margins to be flat into the third quarter. I think Kevin's comment that if the market is similar to how it is today, we would expect that to continue on into the fourth quarter.

Taylor Zurcher
Analyst, Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co.

Okay, great. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Waqar Syed with AltaCorp Capital.

Waqar Syed
Analyst, AltaCorp Capital

Thanks for taking my question. Kevin, your turnkey revenues in the U.S. have been falling lately. Could you maybe talk about the trends? Why is that?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Turnkey, it's a real cyclic business for us, and it's certainly natural gas related, so it's tied closely to gas prices. It's a Gulf Coast, deep wells, kind of select opportunities, and I think the fundraising that those customers or those types of clients usually do has been slower than usual. We just haven't seen a lot of turnkey business the last few months. I think in a stronger natural gas environment in the Gulf Coast, that might improve. For us, I would tell you that turnkey isn't strategic, but it's a nice opportunity to deploy some of our bigger rigs and to do what we do very well.

Waqar Syed
Analyst, AltaCorp Capital

Great. Should your rig in Kurdistan go back to work, what would be the reactivation cost there?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

It depends. We have two rigs in Kurdistan that we're looking at, and possibly the rig in Georgia. It's just a truck trip away. Reactivation costs could be in the range of CAD 5 million-CAD 15 million per rig, depending on what type of job it goes to. Obviously, we expect that capital to come back quickly if we activated the rig on a contract.

Waqar Syed
Analyst, AltaCorp Capital

Yeah. This one, finally. How many of your Super Triple 1,500 horsepower rigs are idle in the U.S. right now?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Just a small handful. All of those rigs are either contracted to go to work shortly or spoken for.

Waqar Syed
Analyst, AltaCorp Capital

Great. Thank you.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

We've commented our utilization's over 90%. The math is pretty straightforward.

Waqar Syed
Analyst, AltaCorp Capital

Right. Thank you very much.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you, Waqar.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kirk Hilley with RBC.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

Hey, how's everybody doing?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Good.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Hey, Kirk.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

All right. Excellent. Hey, that's good color, Kevin. Couple things that I just want to try to calibrate, predicated on some of the things that we heard today from a couple of your competitors, and then maybe get a point of clarification on your view on the Canadian market. First on the U.S., the general dynamic here is that kind of echoing your comments, that pricing for super-spec rigs has remained pretty firm, even though the rig count has come down a tad. We had also heard that there was some signs of pricing pressure. I know that you mentioned stability in pricing. You mentioned that you've been able to renew contracts at firm pricing. Can you maybe just talk a little bit about leading edge, what you may be seeing in the marketplace, and just kind of round out the picture for me?

That'd be great.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Kirk, there aren't many, what I call, brand new price discovery opportunities. I think leading edge rates for new opportunities, kind of price discovery opportunities, is a little bit meaningless. Most of what we're doing is either renewing contracts with customers that have rigs where there's a switching cost if they decide to switch the rig. Obviously that supports more stable pricing. We're going to customers who are increasing pad size, looking for pad walking rigs. We're really not seeing a lot of rig-on-rig competition, which again, I think supports firm pricing. You've been around us long enough to know that when the whole tide goes down everything gets affected a little bit. I'd say that the least effect we're seeing is on pad walking, super-spec rigs.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I will comment that I do think that there are a handful of idle AC rigs in the market. Not all of those are super-spec, but they're AC. Our customers work hard to try to use any AC rig that's available against maybe the most leading edge rig. We have to be smart and thoughtful with how we market and how we sell into that environment.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

Okay. Appreciate that. On the Canadian side, I'm sorry, just thinking I'm one of those long days, and I probably didn't pick up on something you guys mentioned. Early on, I thought, Carey, when you were kind of talking about the Canadian market, you suggested that the cash margin for the Canadian land rig business would be down something like CAD 250-CAD 750 a day. Did I hear that correctly?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Yeah, that's compared to last year. If our activity's down, call it 10%-20% in the third quarter relative to last year, there'll be lower overhead absorption, which will have a negative impact on margins compared to last year.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

Got it. I got it. Given the malaise that's happening in Canada, at least for the rest of the year, is there any reason we could think that there could be some uplift, or is there still potential for cash margins on a sequential quarter basis going in the fourth quarter? Is there a risk of it going down further?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I guess, again, I don't want to build any false expectations. Usually, the fourth quarter in Canada ends up being a bit of a proxy for what's going to happen in the coming year in 2020. If for whatever reason, 2020 ends up being an improving market over 2019, then you might see a lift in the fourth quarter. If, in fact, 2020 appears to be flat with 2019, then likely what we see now will flow into the fourth quarter. I really don't expect a lot further erosion. In Canada, we've seen a recent consolidating transaction with two of our large competitors, Virgin, and that's brought a fair amount of discipline into the market. It's kind of blocked out one drilling contractor that might have been trying to price rigs to gain market share.

Now it's a matter where there's good market discipline, especially in the deep basin. I'd say rates are holding in well because of that.

Kirk Hilley
Analyst, RBC

Okay. Great. All right. That's good for me. Thank you so much.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Thank you.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Thanks, Kirk.

Operator

Our next question comes from Greg Colman with National Bank Financial.

Greg Colman
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Not to beat a dead horse here, just want to come back to capital spending and free cash flow. Kevin, based on your comments, I think so far this year, you've divested something in the range of CAD 82 million, CAD 83 million worth of assets, sort of onesie, twosies here and there. Based on your commentary about not selling equipment down far at the bottom, is it reasonable to assume that's sort of it from the divestiture side, at least in the foreseeable future?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

We have 18 rigs in Canada, four rigs in the U.S. as assets held for sale. I think there's still a chance those rigs see some activity this year. Nothing else in our portfolio right now is in any sort of process or any active sales process. That doesn't mean that something might not sell. We have calls all the time with people who might be interested in some rental equipment or something else. I think there's still a chance of a transaction. As we said at the beginning of this process, we're driving our debt reduction based on free cash flow. If we're successful selling assets, that will accelerate the program, but it's not required to generate our debt reduction targets.

Greg Colman
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Got it. Understanding, of course, that you haven't provided your 2020 capital budget, but that was great color earlier on the call when you said CAD 75 million to CAD 100 million lower than what we saw this year, mainly because of that big Kuwait build. Just make sure I'm not screwing anything up here. We could be thinking about CAD 75 million to CAD 100 million gross CapEx next year that would be netted down by any potential asset sales. Is that a good base level to think of?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

No, we're not giving any guidance yet. Really not giving any 2020 guidance yet. I think we'll do that later this year. My comment was really if you believe that 2020 has no growth opportunities, we could throttle back capital spending by CAD 75 million-CAD 100 million if you believe there's no growth opportunities.

Greg Colman
Analyst, National Bank Financial

From a level of this year of around CAD 175 million?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

That's correct.

Greg Colman
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Got it. Okay. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Watson with Simmons Energy.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

Thank you. Good afternoon.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Hi, John.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Hi, John.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

For the Kuwait rig, and congrats on getting that working ahead of schedule. Are there any startup costs? What should we be thinking about for the margin impact on the cost side from that rig going to work?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

We already have established scale in that market, and this is the sixth almost identical rig that we've deployed to the market. You can assume that that rig is going to start generating its full EBITDA in the third quarter.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

Okay. Thanks, Carey. Similarly, in the U.S., for your flat margin guidance, are you contemplating OpEx moving lower, OpEx per day moving lower in that guide? If so, can you talk about what those levers to lower OpEx might be?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

As Kevin mentioned earlier, we are looking at every opportunity to lower OpEx. We're working hard on trying to figure out ways to get that number lower. At the same time, I would say that at running a rig count in the low to mid-70s in the third quarter, we would expect the OpEx to be in a similar range to Q2.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

Okay. Then lastly, I think on the 1Q call, Carey, you said that we should be modeling neutral working capital for the year. Does that still hold after the nice working capital quarter in 2Q?

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Right. We have a benefit from working capital in the second quarter.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

Right

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

activity in Canada. There will be a slight build throughout the year. It will be in the tens of millions of CAD.

John Watson
Analyst, Simmons Energy

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Thanks, John.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ian Gillies with GMP.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Afternoon, guys.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Afternoon, Ian.

Carey Ford
Senior Vice President and CFO, Precision Drilling

Hey, Ian.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

With respect to the process automation control systems, has there been any change in your customers' intention for rate of adoption there, just given some of the skittishness you've noticed in their spending profiles or does interest remain very high there?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I'd say during the second quarter, interest picked up. I think that the push on capital efficiency is driving two things. Let me just kind of backstep here for a moment. The whole concept of capital efficiency and staying within cash flow is up and down the E&P companies, from company man on location through CEO. I think the capital markets have been effective getting that message into the E&Ps. We see it day in, day out, right up and down our customer base and right up and down the vertical inside the customer. If the rig is running, they are working on ways to run more efficiently, faster, and maximize their efficiency. That's putting a real spotlight on the benefit of technology for us right now. I think it's actually helping.

I made a comment in our Q1 conference call that we saw field resistance because people's jobs were changing, their decision-making was changing, and they didn't like that. They were pushing back. As this message on efficiency is being pounded into the field by the E&P companies, those resisters are very quickly becoming supporters. We saw that transition during the second quarter. It feels like a tipping point. Hopefully, when I finish the third quarter, I will report that it was a tipping point.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

As we think about maybe this time next year, and growth year-over-year in units I think was about 65%. Do you think by this time next year you'll have another, call it, 15-25 of these units deployed in the field?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I mentioned that we're deploying one more right now, and I was really preferring not to do that until we had every single unit fully commercial. In fact, we didn't mention on the call, but we did sign a contract in Canada for a multinational E&P, and that rig will be an activation of one of our Super Triples. It will include the full automation suite and some apps. That's a piece of information that wasn't in our prepared comments. That's the additional unit that we're deploying right now. I do expect that if we're commercial by the end of this year, which we expect to be, we'll deploy more units next year.

We'll deploy them as quickly as we can install them and train our people because we can't afford to have failures at the rig due to lack of training of our people or the customer's personnel. That could be 15 units next year, but we haven't given any guidance yet.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Okay. There seems to be an increasing push on the ESG side across all businesses at this point. Are you seeing any increased demand for bi-fuel kits or anything of that like on the rigs, whether it be in Canada or the U.S. right now?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

It's interesting right now. I think that question comes up in almost every customer conversation. What I would say right now is that if we're going to add a bi-fuel kit, it's going to mean the customer's got to pay for that with an adder to the contract. They're also going to have to source their fuel and put in place the supply chain for fuel for the natural gas to the location. That's a complicated number of steps, which we haven't seen kick off during the second quarter.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Okay.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

The short answer is not during the second quarter.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Okay. We'll see.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

We'll see.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

And then-

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Certainly, I'll tell you, we just finished our quarterly board meetings. It was a topic through our committee and board meetings around our ESG footprint, our reporting. It's important for us. We've taken a number of steps internally, and we expect to continue to both enhance our reporting and enhance our performance.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Last one from me, acknowledging some of the market headwinds that are appearing broadly in the U.S., but as you look around and look at what's working in the U.S. today, do you think there is still an opportunity for some of the ST-1200s in Canada to capture market share? Or are customers just not willing to do that right now?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Are you referring to move some of our Super Triples from Canada to the U.S.? I'm sorry, I missed the question.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Yeah. Sorry. That's correct.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Yeah.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Moving some of the ST-1200s from Canada to the U.S.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Yeah. We have three ST-1500s, and the balance of our Super Triples in Canada are ST-1200s. It looks like all of the 1200s will be spoken for through the balance of the third and fourth quarter. We don't have anything free to move down. I would say that it's more likely if anything moves, it's an ST-1500, but we also see some leading edge demand for those in Canada. At this point, I don't see any likelihood of rigs moving down this year. It'll sort of depend how 2020 starts. If we saw a negative vector in Canada and a positive vector in the U.S., I can guarantee rigs will move.

Ian Gillies
Analyst, GMP

Okay. Thanks very much. I'll turn the call back over.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you, Ian.

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Healing with The Canadian Press.

Dan Healing
Reporter, The Canadian Press

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I was going to ask about plans for Canada, given what seems to be a pretty negative outlook for the industry for the rest of the year. Going forward, is that something that you're looking at seriously?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Dan, it's something we're looking at kind of all the time. I just don't see any opportunities for the balance of this year to do that. We're an important player in Canada. We're a leading service provider here. It troubles me every time we divert people, capital, or assets out of Canada knowing how well this industry operates in Canada, both from a, as I said in my comments, environmental and socially responsible manner. My preference is to continue to support Canada the best way we can. Love to see some political support on that front, especially in an election year. I think it depends. As I said to Ian a moment ago, if for whatever reason Canada goes more negative in 2020 and the U.S. stays where it is or gets stronger, there's no doubt that we'll move more assets out.

Dan Healing
Reporter, The Canadian Press

Okay. You mentioned the election earlier and just now. What are the implications for the fall election federally? What do you see happening if the current government is returned or maybe forms a minority government?

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

I think that this current government's made its policies pretty clear. We have a history of engaging so we continue to try to engage with this government and try to explain the benefits of the industry and work as closely as we can. I'd expect that Trans Mountain proceeds, and that'll be helpful for our business. I think LNG continues to have support both provincially and federally. I think that'll be helpful for our business. It's a tough situation. It doesn't need to be this tough, but it's also not as bad as the capital markets think. Right now, there is literally zero capital markets interest in Canada, and that's just not right.

Dan Healing
Reporter, The Canadian Press

Okay. Thank you.

Kevin Neveu
President and CEO, Precision Drilling

Great. Thank you.

Operator

I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to our host. Thank you all for joining today's call, and look forward to speaking with you when we report third quarter results in October. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.