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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 8, 2023

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for standing by, and welcome to Pet Valu's Q2 2023 earnings conference call. My name is Daisy, and I'll be coordinating today's call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Please note that following the formal remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. We ask that you limit your time to one question plus one follow-up before cycling back into the queue. I would now like to turn the call over to James Allison, Investor Relations at Pet Valu, to begin. Please go ahead, Mr. Allison.

James Allison
Senior Director of Investor Relations, Pet Valu

Good morning, and thank you for joining Pet Valu's call to discuss our Q2 2023 results, which were released this morning and can be found on our website at investors.petvalu.com. With me on the call is Richard Maltsbarger, president and chief executive officer, and Linda Drysdale, chief financial officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that management may make forward-looking statements, which include guidance and underlying assumptions. Forward-looking statements are based on expectations that involve risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed today. For a broader description of risks related to our business, please see our Q2 2023 MD&A, 2022 annual information form, and other filings available on SEDAR.

I would also like to note that today's remarks will be accompanied by our earnings presentation for Q2 2023, which can be viewed through our live webcast and is also available on our website. I would like to turn the call over to Richard.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thank you, James. Good morning, everyone. I'll begin my comments today with highlights from our Q2 and first half before sharing our outlook for the balance of the year. We were pleased with our Q2 results. Together with Q1, the first half of 2023 performed well within our expectations. With same-store sales growth of 8%, revenue up 15%, and Adjusted EBITDA increasing 4%, despite significant FX headwinds. Our business continued to deliver a superior pace of growth relative to other retail categories, highlighting the unique characteristics underpinning the Canadian pet industry and our differentiated position as a market leader. During Q2, we continued to execute against our strategic priorities while delivering strong performance across all key metrics. Revenue increased 13% in the quarter, led by strong merchandise shipments and retail sales growth in both our brick-and-mortar and online sales channels.

We delivered same-store sales growth of 6% on top of 21% last year and 28% the year prior, with both basket and traffic contributing to growth. We completed 23 real estate projects through a combination of new store openings and renovations. We drew greater traffic to our digital channels, while loyalty sales penetration hit another all-time high of 80%. We grew profits, with Adjusted EBITDA up 4% to CAD 54 million as our teams effectively navigated unfavorable FX rates. Let's review our success through the components of our growth formula. First, expanding our store network. We opened 7 stores in Q2, which brings us to 14 new stores year to date and well on our way to hitting our target of 40-50 new store openings in 2023.

Our network now consists of 758 stores coast to coast, up from 717 last year, with all this growth coming in the form of new or refranchised locations, which is a key ingredient to our ongoing success. Our store network enables us to provide unmatched convenience to devoted pet lovers across Canada, and we continue to strengthen this differentiating advantage. We also continue to see strong interest from both prospective franchisees and existing owners looking to add stores. Second, driving same-store sales growth. Both basket and traffic supported our 6% same-store sales growth in Q2, and once again, performance was relatively consistent across geographies, market types, and vintages, a direct result from our store refresh program, designed to maintain consistent shopping experiences across our network. Our real estate team completed 16 renovation, expansion, or relocation projects in the quarter and 18 year to date.

We continue to drive double-digit sales growth in consumables and services, which now collectively account for roughly 80% of our sales, underscoring our skew towards recurring, necessity-based products. In hard lines, we observed softness across more discretionary-oriented product lines, which we believe is reflective of macroeconomic conditions pressuring consumer wallets. As a result, we did see same-store sales growth rates slow starting in late May. Despite this, we continue to see resilient trends in the broader Canadian pet industry. The strong consumables growth is clear evidence humanization and premiumization tailwinds continue as the industry sees broadly normalized adoption and surrender rates. Our merchandising strategies delivered on multiple fronts in the quarter.

In national brands, we continue to see strong growth in some of our most premium pet food brands, like ACANA and Orijen and Big Country Raw, and we were very pleased with the performance of some of our exclusive offerings, like the Canada Pooch Barbie collection. We also continued to grow our proprietary brands as we invest to broaden our offering. In fact, we received recognition for one of our newer products with our Performatrin Ultra Freeze-Dried Raw Bites, winning a Product Innovation award at this year's Retail Council of Canada Grand Prix. Our marketing teams continue to release creative and well-timed content, staying true to our 360-degree, always-on media strategy. We ran our first proprietary brand campaign in recent years, showcasing the breadth and quality of Performatrin family of products.

This consisted of 15 and 30-second national TV spots, supported by online streaming and digital ads. We followed this up with our first-ever promotion, including the entire Performatrin family of products, starting in June and continuing into early July. This promotion successfully caught the attention of many pet owners looking for greater value, most especially in our recently rebranded Performatrin Prime line, which provides the scientifically formulated solutions many customers need for their pets. Our Performatrin Naturals line, which in its 3rd year since introduction, is rapidly growing as it provides a natural, meat-first ingredient panel at prices very competitive to brands positioned at the higher end of the grocery segment. Traffic to our website continued to grow in Q2, driving robust growth in our e-commerce sales, and customer loyalty trends also strengthened in the quarter.

With over 2.6 million active customers in our programs, this subset now accounts for 80% of our system-wide sales. In late June, we added Hill's Science Diet to our frequent buyers program, a big win for the program and our loyalty members. Our program now offers targeted value in almost all our top 20 food brands, providing further incentives to prospective and existing loyalty members. Our full suite of digital and loyalty capabilities, together with our leading physical store footprint, enables devoted pet lovers across Canada to shop Pet Valu, how, where, and when it suits them. We believe this ecosystem delivers unmatched convenience and value and remains a key driver to supporting growth. The final pillar of our growth strategy, enhancing our operating margins over the long term. Q2 Adjusted EBITDA margins were 21%, up from 19.5% in the Q1.

Margin rates were better than guided in May due to several factors. First, we experienced favorable freight rates as our transportation team captured improved rates for our key lanes. Second, as we began to see sales softening in our hard lines business late in the quarter, our teams took operational actions to adjust to these trends, including adapting store schedules, identifying project spend that could be reprioritized, and more. Excluding non-recurring items, our SG&A, as a % of sales, hit the marks we set internally. For the most part, we have now lapped the purposeful investments in people and technology made through 2022 to support long-term growth and are in a stronger position to manage variable costs as we adjust to movements in consumer demand. I'd also like to provide a quick update on the progress we made integrating Chico into the Pet Valu family.

Leveraging our Quebec-based leadership team, we are now beginning to achieve key synergy opportunities. Starting last fall, we began the rollout of our proprietary brand portfolio into Chico and are pleased to say that we have participation from 100% of Chico franchisees through all four rounds of introductions, encompassing almost 400 SKUs. We have also begun to align Chico's operational processes with Pet Valu. This past quarter, we opened the first franchise Chico store using our real estate model, where we are on the head lease and provide construction and setup support. We are also playing a more active role fostering strong franchisee relationships as we held our first franchise council meeting with Chico franchise representatives in April and implemented safe and ready assessments across the chain to improve consistency.

Significant opportunities still lie ahead, including increasing wholesale capabilities to Chico as we ramp up our new GTA distribution center, with some exciting milestones planned for this fall. As we look to the second half of the year, our business remains strong, fueled by the resiliency of the pet industry and the connections we have with our most loyal, monthly recurring customers. The trends that have supported growth for decades remain intact. We continue to see humanization tailwinds, be it through outsized growth in our premium food tiers, the success of hard lines introductions like our PAIKKA and Canada Pooch Barbie offerings, or our updated line of over 100 Jump dog and cat toys. We anticipate continued growth in the number of pets over the long term, commiserate with Canada's growing population, and we will continue to bring innovative products to market for these devoted pet lovers.

Within this growing industry, Pet Valu is offering SKUs heavily towards recurring, necessity-based shopping trips, with consumables and in-store services accounting for roughly 80% of our sales today. History has shown that in periods of restricted spending, our devoted pet lover consumers often choose to prioritize the needs of their pets, providing resilient spending trends for the industry, especially when it comes to core assortments around pet food and recurring items like cat litter and supplements. We continue to have significant white space to expand across Canada, with more than half of the opportunities situated in rural markets, where our flexible franchise-first model has a differentiated advantage to pet specialty peers. While our industry is certainly resilient, it is not completely insulated from short-term changes in consumer demand.

Again, while we continue to see double-digit growth in pet food and cat litter, we are seeing some softness across more discretionary hard lines categories, which started in late May and has continued through Q3 to date. These are categories that may be postponed or substituted, such as bedding, crates, and toys. Across our 47-year history, Pet Valu has seen many different demand cycles in the pet industry and has successfully adapted to meet the evolving needs of devoted pet lovers. In just the last three years, we've navigated sudden shifts to pandemic operating restrictions, quickly followed by a period of tremendous growth. We are again adapting as demand moves in the near term towards consumables, such as pet food and cat litter, and services, such as self-serve dog washing.

During Q2, as we saw the shift in sales patterns, our teams quickly reprioritized investments from less critical initiatives to key customer-facing and franchise-supporting actions needed in this environment. At the same time, we are also making operational changes to optimize the use of growth, profit, and SG&A dollars in the near term. Where appropriate, we are adjusting staffing commensurate with traffic trends by region, while still investing in the right wage, hour, and training dollars needed to continue our below-market average turnover rates. We have and plan to continue activating targeted promotions while investing key marketing and advertising dollars to support vendors who are prioritizing Pet Valu as a critical and important distribution channel. For example, today is the second of 5 Tuesday flash sales in the month of August, geared to bring incremental basket-building value to our devoted pet lovers.

Many of these promotions include incentives for our franchisees to participate, so we grow consumer traffic together while supporting our franchisees' bottom lines as they continue to invest in new stores. Throughout all this change, we continue to invest in key initiatives that will support our long-term growth and create value for all our stakeholders. The most significant of these investments is our supply chain transformation as we build Canada's strongest pet specialty distribution network. We officially took possession of our new GTA facility in June, began receiving products into the facility in July, and plan to deliver our first shipments to stores later this month. We are very pleased with the progress at the GTA facility, which remains on budget and on time for a completion and full transition in early 2024.

At the same time, we have accelerated the work on our next DC in Vancouver, where we have recently signed a lease for a new facility that is nearly finished, allowing us to take possession earlier than anticipated, enabling a targeted launch in mid-2024. We will then turn our attention to Calgary and the completion of our significant supply chain transformation in 2025. Altogether, these upgraded distribution centers will double our capacity to help support our growth over the next decade, introduce automation to improve fill accuracy and lower costs, and enable us to significantly increase our wholesale distribution capability to our growing Chico franchise base, with a target of reaching over 50% of Chico wholesale purchases by the end of 2025.

In our ongoing pursuit to continually improve our digital customer experience, we have decided to bring forward certain e-commerce investments we had initially planned for 2024 and 2025 and start those projects now. The work we completed during the last four years to modernize our platform has given us a strong base. Bringing forward these planned enhancements will allow us to more rapidly implement several leading industry practices. Altogether, through the actions I've outlined, along with others underway, we are reaffirming our outlook for 2023. We recognize we have work to do to achieve these targets, with particular focus on three elements. First, we need to have the right impact from our marketing and promotional investments to maintain our momentum in consumables and services.

Second, we need to closely monitor and manage our gross profit and SG&A dollars to their best near-term use, while maintaining investment in our highest priority, long-term, value-creating programs. Third, we assume that the promotional environment in the pet industry will continue to normalize but maintain a sense of rationality despite the near-term softness in more discretionary categories. I am confident in our ability to support these outcomes, knowing that we have a deep pool of talented leaders across our organization with a united focus on enabling Pet Valu to once again adapt while maintaining a commitment to long-term, profitable growth. It is this responsible balance that drives the what, why, and how we continue to manage this business. With that, I'll pass it over to Linda.

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Thank you, Richard, and good morning, everyone. Overall, we were pleased with our Q2 performance, which delivered stronger bottom-line results than we had anticipated back in early May. Q2 system-wide sales increased 10% to CAD 344 million, driven by same-store sales growth of 6%. We were pleased to see continued basket and traffic growth, which increased 4.8% and 1.2% respectively. We opened 7 new stores in the quarter and ended Q2 with 758 locations. Compared to last year, growth in our store network has been driven entirely from new and refranchised stores, consistent with our long-term growth plans to grow our franchise mix over time. Turning to our company performance, Q2 revenue was CAD 256 million, an increase of 13%.

This outpaced our system-wide sales growth due to stronger wholesale shipments related to strong fill rates to our franchisees. Gross profit was CAD 92 million, an increase of 8%. As a percentage of revenue, gross margin rate was 35.9%, slightly better than on our internal expectations. Excluding 20 basis points of cost related to our supply chain transformation, gross margin rate was 36.1%, down 140 basis points from last year, primarily driven by a weaker Canadian dollar and higher wholesale merchandise sales related to increased franchise stores and improved fill rates. This was partially offset by favorable product margins, with lower inbound freight costs more than offsetting higher distribution costs. Selling, General and Administrative Expenses in the Q2 were CAD 52 million.

Excluding IT and business transformation costs, share-based compensation, and other non-operating items, our SG&A expenses were just under CAD 50 million, an increase of 16%, primarily attributable to purposeful investments in headcount, wages, and additional labor hours in our corporate stores to support long-term growth. Adjusted EBITDA increased 4% to CAD 54 million, modestly ahead of our expectations on the back of the favorable freight costs I just mentioned. As a percentage of revenue, Adjusted EBITDA margin was 21%, an improvement from 19.5% in the Q1. Net income was CAD 24 million, compared to CAD 25 million in Q2 last year.

Adjusted net income, which excludes items not indicative of our underlying performance, was CAD 26 million compared to CAD 28 million last year, as growth in Adjusted EBITDA was offset by higher interest expense due to rising rates and higher depreciation and amortization. Adjusted net income per diluted share was CAD 0.36 compared to CAD 0.39 last year. Now, turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with CAD 9 million of cash on hand, while our CAD 130 million revolver remains undrawn. Total debt, net of deferred financing costs at the end of Q2, was CAD 301 million. Taking into account lease obligations, our leverage ratio sits at 2.2 times. The increase in leverage from Q1 was primarily due to the recognition of the lease obligations associated with our new GTA DC.

Excluding this, our leverage would have been 1.8 times. We ended the Q2 with an inventory balance of approximately CAD 130 million, up 12% from Q2 last year. As expected, our inventory growth has begun to better align with revenue growth. We continue to make deliberate investments to supply our growing store base and maintain strong in-stock levels at our DC and the stores. We also set another five-year high on fill rates with our franchise customers, helping drive greater purchases through us, driving up our wholesale revenue. Net capital expenditures were CAD 17 million in the Q2 and CAD 28 million year to date, largely related to the construction of our new GTA DC and related warehouse systems and growth CapEx for new stores and renos.

Free cash flow in the quarter was CAD 13 million, down from CAD 20 million last year. A stronger cash flow from operations was more than offset by the higher CapEx I just described. Turning to our outlook, we are reaffirming our guidance for fiscal 2023. As Richard mentioned, starting in late May, we observed a slowdown in sales growth across more of our discretionary hard line categories, which has continued into Q3. In response, we have made, and will continue to make, targeted adjustments to our operations that responsibly adapt our business proportional to consumer demand signals, while maintaining investments in key initiatives geared to drive long-term profitable growth.

These actions include a reprioritization of investments to key customer-facing and franchise-supporting activities geared to maintaining our momentum in this environment, resulting in an optimization of how we allocate our gross profit and, in particular, our SG&A dollars in the near term. All said, based on strong performance in the first half of 2023, together with responsible actions being taken to navigate an evolving environment in the back half, we are reaffirming our financial outlook for the full year. This calls for revenue between CAD 1.05 billion and CAD 1.075 billion, Adjusted EBITDA between CAD 230 million and CAD 237 million, and adjusted net income per diluted share between CAD 1.60 and CAD 1.66.

Key assumptions underpinning the achievement of these targets include continued momentum in our consumable segment, supported by effective marketing and promotional investments, a normalizing but rational promotional environment, and foreign exchange and interest rates in line with current market expectations. In terms of quarterly phasing, we anticipate Adjusted EBITDA margins in Q3 will be similar to slightly below the 21% reached in Q2, before improving in the Q4. We have updated our estimates for costs excluded from Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income per diluted share. We expect business transformation costs of CAD 17 million, which is inclusive of the GTA DC transition that is underway, and now include costs for our new Vancouver DC starting in Q4.

We estimate the portion of these costs expected to impact our reported gross margin rate will equate to 100 basis points for the full year, implying roughly 200 basis points impact in both Q3 and Q4. IT transformation costs are now expected to be CAD 4 million as we recalibrated the timing of certain projects, and share-based compensation is now expected to be CAD 7 million. With over four decades operating through multiple demand cycles, we have a proven track record of growing our successful business. I am confident that our unique and differentiated offerings, together with the commitment of our people, positions us well to deliver on our expectations for 2023. With that, I'll turn the call back to Richard.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thank you, Linda. Before turning to questions, I would like to call out the hard work, team, and franchisees across our business, who have been instrumental in both delivering strong performance in the first half and for quickly adapting to our evolving environment. Due to the ethos of our mission, our people continue to go above and beyond to support pets and devoted pet lovers across Canada. For example, when wildfires first swept across several provinces this past spring, our field and store operations team stepped up to provide aid to local shelters and rescues, who were inundated with displaced people and pets, even while we navigated temporary store closures in affected regions.

In May, we once again sponsored the Lions Foundation of Canada through our Walk for Dog Guides program, and in June, we and our customers helped raise over CAD 1.7 million for local rescues and shelters across Canada during our Pet Appreciation Month. The values of an organization are not tested when times are good, but when times change and challenges are presented. Seeing our people rapidly adapt to changing conditions while continuing to lead and work in ways to promote and strengthen our core beliefs is powerful, and for me, very moving. It is the teamwork and compassion in moments like these that remind me why I love this business so much. With that, we are now happy to take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to register a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by 2. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure you are unmuted locally, and please kindly only ask 1 question and 1 follow-up, and then return to the queue. Our first question today comes from Martin Landry from Stifel. Martin, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Martin Landry
Consumer and Retail Analyst, Stifel

Hi, good morning. Richard, in, in your opening remarks, you mentioned making adjustments to react to the shift in consumer demand. I'm not sure if I heard correctly, but I think it included reducing staffing hours. I, I'm just trying to understand, you know, aside from the weakness that you quoted in hardlines, which is, which is not surprising, are you, are you seeing a traffic slowdown in June and July? Is, is traffic declining on a year-over-year basis in these months?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Martin, good morning. Thanks for the question. To go back to the conversation that we had again on the quarter, let's comment first on Q2 results, specifically where we had a 1.2% increase in same-store sales transactions, which is how we go about measuring traffic. We don't have conversion or our counters 'cause, you know, we don't have a big box environment, so the vast majority of the customers who walk through our door actually ultimately convert based upon third-party surveys. The 1.2% increase would indicate that traffic was up, but not as far up as we were originally anticipating at the beginning of the year. When we talk about adjusting our staffing level, we're really talking about adjusting primarily to the number of people coming through the door.

Again, our staffing levels are actually still up. We're still continuing to invest in more hours, wages, and the key things that help us to drive lower than industry average turnover and great customer services. We're just adjusting along with. If you go back to Q3 and then Q4, and then we really touched upon it in our Q1 call, we have seen the number of customers buying up to larger bag sizes. As we indicated on the last call, we do believe that will set off a period here over the next few quarters in which our transaction growth will be suppressed as the regular number of return trips to come in and buy food will naturally go down and people go to larger bag sizes, and we have adjusted our staffing level for that trend.

Martin Landry
Consumer and Retail Analyst, Stifel

Okay. You know, you're, you're talking about a slowdown that started in late May, continued in June and July, you know? With that weakness that you're seeing now, what gives you the confidence that you're gonna be able to meet your, your same-store sales guidance that's calling for a growth of 7% to 10% for the full year?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Well, Martin, I think you know us well enough to know we're not gonna take a slowdown at any time, it's just setting back. In fact, today, if you pop onto your email real quick, you'll see that we've got 25% off treats all day today on the 2nd of 5 Tuesday flash sales we're doing in August. As well as we noted the Performatrin sale, where we brought the entire family of Performatrin brands on the sale for the first time ever with all formats, wet and dry and freeze-dried. We're gonna take a continued set of very targeted, very specific, very tactical promotions in the back half that we know are more closely tied to our more elastic and our more specific traffic driving or basket building activities to help to continue to build on.

As we noted on the call, with double-digit growth in consumables and services, we're continuing to see the core of our business at almost 80% of our volume, really continue to be quite strong. It really now is: how do we layer any extra item into the basket? How do we layer any extra incremental non-food trip? So we've got faith that the actions that we're gonna take in the back half are going to begin to bolster some of the traffic that we may have seen slowing down as we've gone into the summer months. Look, it's been a beautiful summer in many places. Lots of people are traveling, and we're planning on leaning in as we go through the back half. Again, very rational, very aligned with our long-term normalization to the competitive intensity we saw in a pre-pandemic environment....

Still more aligned with having to fight a little harder to get that next customer in the door.

Martin Landry
Consumer and Retail Analyst, Stifel

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, and good luck.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Martin.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Van Aelst from TD Securities. Michael, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to continue along the sales and competition angle. You know, just to confirm, if you are looking for 7%-10%, you need to see a pickup in your same-store sales versus Q2 in the second half of the year. I think something closer to 6.5% if you want to just hit the 7% for the full year. You know, is that coming from your expectations to improve traffic with your promotional activity, or where is that coming from?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Good morning, Michael. This is Richard. I'll take that. You are correct. It is a slight pickup from what you saw in Q2. Again, we continue to see really strong growth in our core business. Again, 2.6 million active customers. 80% of our customer sales are now on our loyalty program, and that's before we really get the big bump that we're expecting, having added Hill's Science Diet now and almost rounding out our entire top 20 brands onto our loyalty program. We're expecting those actions that we'll take will both increase traffic in the back half, but specifically, like with what we have going on today in the store and last Tuesday with wet and dry cans, it's really more tapping into the traffic we're continuing to get into the store.

How do we add something into that basket? As we noted on the call, it really is discretionary items, we expect this to be a relatively near-term issue, that we're going to continue to manage, and take advantage of the loyalty that we have. With 80+% of the people on our loyalty program and a core of our business being monthly customers, this is really more about tapping into the strength we already have and continuing to earn share of wallet.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay, thank you. When you look at that slowdown in same-store sales, from Q4, Q1 to Q2, can you comment about how much you think that might have to do with an increase in competition during the quarter? Are other stores or channels, taking, starting to take some share, how are you preparing for Chewy's entrance, in your Q4?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Sure. Michael, let me take each of those in turn. Let's start first with the existing competition that we know about in the marketplace. All of our market share tracking would indicate that year to date, we are holding our own against the continued market growth, and that our share that we've earned over the last few years, which has been over 400 basis points since the beginning of the pandemic, continues to hold strong. As we've been noting consistently since the IPO 2 years ago, we fully expected at some point, the tremendous growth in the Canadian pet industry would come back towards its more normalized mid-single growth rates, and we feel that we're in the midst of returning to those levels.

We don't foresee that it's necessarily much of a change in the competitive environment, Michael, as it is in a natural normalizing back to mid-single digits, as we've been indicating for two-plus years would occur at some point. As we've noted, with all of you many times, we plan our business to this mid-single digit industry growth rate and then opportunistically lean in where we think there's a chance for market share growth. Look, it's, it's just the whole industry is normalizing. In-stock levels are normalizing, both for us and for our competitors. Promotional levels are normalizing back to order, and ultimately, market growth is normalizing. Hard lines are causing that normalizing more than consumables, again, it's another demand cycle.

The good news is that we've got a lot of people around here with a lot of history, and a lot of great board members with history across the pet industry. We're working on the levers that you pull as you begin to see the cycle normalize. To your second question, I don't know. We, we, that, that particular competitor still hasn't entered Canada. We'll be monitoring it closely when or if they should enter. At that time, we'll see what adjustments we need to make. We are assuming the long-run rationality in the promotional environment of the Canadian industry will hold. We believe it's the right way for the industry to responsibly continue to have long-term profitable growth.

Should the complexion of that change, as we've noted all along since the IPO, we will respond, and we will protect and continue to work to grow market share.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

All right. Thank you.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Irene Nattel, from RBC. Irene, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Irene Nattel
Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sorry, I'm going to keep, you know, beating this same drum. Just on the consumer demand piece of it, you mentioned, sort of larger pack sizes. Can you talk about what you're seeing in terms of branded versus owned brands, in terms of what you're seeing on services, where are we relative to pre-pandemic and what you're seeing there? Also as part of that, what are you seeing in your own e-commerce demand? Where are we now as a percentage of total?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

...Certainly, Irene, and good morning. This is Richard. I'll take each one of those in turn. Let's start first with the branded versus proprietary brand products. We continue to see relatively similar penetration levels throughout this year. As we noted on the call, we do have one particular proprietary brand, Performatrin Naturals, meat-first recipe, a very competitive price to the upper-end grocery store segment brands, that is doing quite well. We do have some small indication that there could be a subsegment of our population that's looking for value that way. As soon as I say that, I also need to reiterate that our fastest-growing categories are premium, including our culinary with frozen raw. Big Country Raw, as well as our national brands of ACANA and Orijen, are still amongst our fastest-growing categories.

We're not seeing significant trade-down behavior. What we are seeing, and we've noted it for several quarters and continue to see it, people trading up from, say, the 17- or 18-pound bag to the 30-pound bag, as they try to continue to economize. In cans, trading up from a 5.5 ounce can to a 13.2 ounce can, just to get that slightly better economy per pound and be able to continue to have the consistency of what they feed their pet. On the services side, continue to see really strong growth. We are now up to volume levels of our self-serve dog washers that exceed what we saw on a pre-pandemic level. We're also seeing our grooming services for those stores who continue to have that, which is about one quarter of our stores and predominantly in our franchise stores.

We continue to see strong double-digit growth there as well. Again, people are still investing in taking care of their pets, especially the devoted pet lover, a segment we study really deeply, who we understand will oftentimes make trade-offs to try to keep the same lifestyle for their pet as much as possible. Then on e-commerce, quite pleased with the growth that we're seeing in our e-commerce. It is outpacing the growth of the overall average in our store. Again, we don't set a target nor measure specific e-commerce penetration internally because we are an omni-channel approach. We don't do online-only promotions.

We will actually turn down vendor money for online-only promotions because we feel it's not the right customer-focused action to take in the marketplace, where it makes no sense that a customer could get a deal on their phone standing in the store, but they couldn't get the deal standing at the register with our ACE. So, e-commerce, we're happy with it. We primarily use it to drive the convenience of when, where, and how, the devoted pet lover would like to shop. Having said that, we do realize that that convenience and the ability to search our stores and have a great usability on the website is important.

That's why we noted that we made a decision to pull forward some enhancements that we had originally planned for next year or even 2025, and to start to work on those later this year to ensure that we're continuing to bolster our capabilities.

Irene Nattel
Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's really helpful. Thank you. Just a follow-up to that question. What are you finding in, in terms of consumer uptake on the subscription piece of e-commerce? Are you finding any difference in pricing sensitivity of the online shopper versus the in-store shopper, if, if that even exists, or if they're all really just omni-channel?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

We really only focus on omni-channel. I can't really answer the question on sensitivity because we don't price separately from online and in-store. We specifically want to make sure that we can continue to deliver the right value to customers. The vast majority of our online customers are both channel customers. We see them on our website as well as we see them in our stores. In fact, the reason why we have a revenue share model with our franchisees for direct-to-customer is because we see then those same direct-to-customer customers showing up in the franchisee store. We want to make sure we continue to support that. We are seeing good uptake on subscriptions, but note, we don't discount our subscriptions. We really tie into a brand factor. For every new subscription, we annualize it again and renew for this year.

We donate an incremental $20 to our feeding program for the Lions Foundation of Canada Dog Guides. You can actually do well while you also take advantage of our subscription capabilities. Overall, I know, Irene, we've had this conversation about reiterating to everybody, we are an omni-channel player. We believe the best model to win in Canada is tapping into the strength of our 758 stores while we continue to build great online capabilities if the customer wants to turn to that option.

Irene Nattel
Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Thank you.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Irene.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Vishal Shreedhar, from National Bank. Vishal, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Vishal Shreedhar
Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. On the call, obviously, you referenced the slowing that you're seeing in, in the discretionary part of your business. You're talking about some higher promotional activity, partially offset by labor savings, if I've got that all right, to assist with the business, the financial model going forward. Yet guidance suggests acceleration of same-store sales growth and acceleration of earnings growth.

You've already talked about the same-store sales growth and some of the promotional activity that you're seeing, but maybe, you know, just given all the movement that you have, you know, the supply chain investment acceleration, the increased promotional activity, the labor act, the labor changes, maybe if you can just underline why you feel comfortable about the EPS guidance and amidst of this consumer change you're seeing. Also, if you can give us some sense if your initiatives are starting to work on the promo activity, driving the traffic and the sales?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Hi, it's Linda speaking. Good morning. I'll, I'll take this one. I'll speak to the softer EBITDA margins we expect in Q3, and that will likely manifest in the form of softer gross margins. I'll walk through the drivers there. Starting with the impact of higher supply chain transformation costs, and those are really, we'll start to recognize those duplicate operating costs for our new GTA distribution center. I'll reiterate the comment that I made in the earlier remarks, that we expect the impact on gross margin rates to be approximately 200 basis points in each quarter for Q3 and Q4 related to that.

Additionally, the unfavorable FX rates persisted a few months longer than we had anticipated in the Q2, so that will impact our Q3 margins, given our 90-day inventory turn. Finally, we do anticipate increased promotional intensity in the back half of the year as the industry normalizes. That said, there are a few tailwinds that we are expecting for Q4, so they include lower distribution costs as we begin to exit the 3PLs that we've been using in the last little while to supplement our supply chain. The easing year-over-year FX headwinds that we expect based on economist projections, and greater SG&A leverage as we grow further into stabilizing our stabilizing expense base.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Yeah, just to add on to what Linda said there, Vishal, yes, Q3 will also continue to be tight on the operating margins, primarily with the supply chain transformation, but also a little bit of the extended FX impact that we saw filtering into Q2, which of course, has a 90-day lag. As you noted on the Q4 tailwinds, again, we generally see a few 100 basis points higher revenue, a proportion of the year in Q4, which will give us a little bit of leverage, especially as we continue to really focus in on every CAD dollar that we have going into both our corporate store as well as our corporate office SG&A.

Then, of course, we will be cycling, we hope, assuming economists' projections are correct, the FX pressures as our year-over-year compare gets a lot easier in Q3, especially into Q4, assuming that we don't continue to see any weakness in the Canadian dollar.

Vishal Shreedhar
Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay, and can you update us on intraquarter trends, and if your initiatives are bearing fruit, or is it too early days?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

We're quite, quite confident and quite set. Again, being a few weeks into the quarter, the actions that we've, that we've taken, note, we began them in Q2. You know, we didn't wanna wait to react, we started to go ahead and, and practice and take some of the actions in Q2. We will take incremental actions to manage SG&A in the back half as we continue to respond to trends, but quite confident, especially in our ability to adjust. The good news is, is good or bad, I, I've spent plenty of time working in other retail sectors that are far more attuned to more rapid demand cycle ups and downs than the pet industry is, but those muscles still exist.

The ability to execute on pulling those levers is still there, even though I don't have to do it nearly as much as we used to have to do it in, say, another industry, I used to be in. So, I'm really proud of the work that the team has done to pivot very quickly from tremendous growth back to the more normalized growth rate and, and what it takes for us to manage costs in that type of environment.

Vishal Shreedhar
Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Thank you.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Vishal.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mark Petrie, from CIBC. Mark, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mark Petrie
Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I, I know data is a challenge, but I'm just wondering if you can update us on what you're hearing with regards to trends and adoption rates and surrender rates, and if there's been any sort of acceleration or deceleration in either of those over this year so far.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Certainly, Mark. If there is one thing that has slowed, it's been a bit of the older adult dog rescue adoptions. The data is pretty consistent across Canada, that as we've gone into the summer months, a bit, a bit less on that front, but essentially still right back to pre-pandemic norms, right? We're, we're really just working our way back into where we were before the pandemic. I think that is contributing a bit to the discretionary, especially the bedding and crates, 'cause again, those are a little more disproportionately allocated to new adoptions. We know puppies are still being adopted.

We've even got a couple of brand-new puppies on the executive team, where we finally talked, Tanbir, our Chief Digital Marketing Officer, into adopting his first dog. There's a little bit of peer pressure when you work in a pet company.

Mark Petrie
Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

I can imagine. And I guess the second one, just on with regards to the new store openings, consistent pace in Q2 from Q1. I know H2 is always heavier than H1, but typically do see a pickup in Q2. Any change in what you're seeing with regards to franchisee interest or maybe even more so the real estate market, or anything that might be affecting the store rollout?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

In the near term, no. We're still pretty confident on the 2023 pipeline, much of which we had signed already last year going into this year. If anything, there might be a bit of a slowdown in new development spend, as some of the new developers across Canada with a heightened interest rate environment to take a second look at projects that might not have already come out of the ground. That could delay some of our longer-term pipeline sites that are related to new developments. We take a hard look at that as we think about next year's guidance. But for our as-is sites or the existing real estate sites, or what we have in the 2023 pipeline, really, we're pretty well on pace. We actually saw it as a positive.

We pulled a few more openings into Q1 this year, instead of all of, you know, the first half openings being primarily in Q2, to spread out the work a little bit for our teams, and we've been quite busy at opening up and building since then. Again, it's the natural cycle of Canadian retail. It's a little heavier in the second half, especially as construction projects really begin to pick up pace again in the April and May timeframe. Still on track for this year, still confident, and as we noted on the call, opened our first Chico store in our new model. We'll have several more of those before the end of the year, which again, is preferable to us as we go on to the head lease.

We have the opportunity for percentage rent, but most importantly, we serve then as the landlord and have the opportunity to make sure that we maintain a consistency to the standards and the customer experiences that we expect to deliver.

Mark Petrie
Equity Research Analyst, CIBC

Okay, appreciate all the comments, all the best.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Paul Kearney from Barclays. Paul, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Paul Kearney
VP of Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking my question, and good morning. Most have been asked already, but two quick ones. You mentioned bringing forward e-commerce projects. I'm wondering if you can say specifically which projects you are pulling forward into this year? Then second, just on the DC openings, wondering if you can just. I think you mentioned some, some duplicate costs. I'm wondering if you can just go over some of the timing of that, that we need to be aware of from a modeling perspective, of when do some of the duplicate costs roll off and when do you start to kind of leverage that investment on the additional capacity? Thanks.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Certainly, Paul, good morning. It's Richard. I'll take the e-com question first and then turn it over to Linda to talk a bit about the duplicate costs and the timing. For competitive reasons, Paul, I, I'm gonna have to defer and say I wouldn't like to list specifically what e-com projects I'm bringing forward, but they're primarily in the area of customer usability and just continuous improvement. We, we launched our entire network back in 2021, is when we first went with our nationwide e-commerce platform. Having completed click-and-collect in the latter part of 2021 and going Autoship in the latter part of 2022, we're now turning more to just usability, speed improvements, making sure that we have the right platforms in place for the different elements of our site.

It's really just more, as we look at-- took a look at overall prioritization spend, deciding to put a little more money there. Then I'll turn it to Linda for the DC.

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Yeah. Thanks for the question. The duplicate costs are obviously related to, you know, rent and such. We have the GTA as well as Vancouver. I'll speak to GTA first. We expect to roll out the duplicate cost for GTA early in 2024, and Vancouver will be later. 2024 is our current expectation. I'll just remind you, we said 200 basis points in each quarter hitting gross margin for those duplicate costs. That's right, that's this year, 2023.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

I just wanna highlight, though, all of that has an assumption, though, that we are able to exit early on some of the existing leases. Since we do have significantly below-market rents, we believe the landlords will want those back as soon as we can give those to them. For some reason, if the market should slow for commercial real estate, no signs of which are happening right now in industrial real estate, but if it should, again, our leases don't necessarily end on Vancouver until 2025. It's, again, we're quite below market on rents in a very tight DC environment, so we believe that there will be interest in taking back the location when as soon as we're ready.

Paul Kearney
VP of Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ty Collin, from Echelon Capital Markets . Ty, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Ty Collin
Research Analyst, Eight Capital

Hey, good morning, and thanks for the questions. Looked like another really solid quarter here for franchise wholesale revenues. I'm just wondering if you could speak to the level of inventory across the franchisee network at this point. Was there still some restocking going on in the Q2 that may have contributed to that? Just how are you feeling about inventory levels at the corporate stores as well?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Yeah, I'll take that. It's Linda speaking. The main driver behind the outsized growth in the wholesale shipments is the improved fill rates that we've been able to offer our franchisee owners. That's allowed them to purchase more through us than seeking product from outside distributors. We feel good about the inventory levels across all levels of our business, from our DC to our corporate stores to our franchisees. You know, while we may see some timing of shipments versus sales, which can create a little bit of noise quarter-to-quarter, we expect shipments to align closely with sales growth over the long term, this might stay slightly elevated as we increase our wholesale capabilities to Chico in the next little while.

Ty Collin
Research Analyst, Eight Capital

Okay, great. Thanks for that. For my follow-up, just given where interest rates are today, and, and I, I guess the, the outlook that they're probably gonna remain elevated for a little bit and, and the impact that's kinda having on your net income and cash flow, are you looking at maybe directing a little more of your free cash to paying down the debt at an accelerated rate, or are you comfortable keeping leverage at where it's at today?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

... We take a really prudent and purposeful approach to capital allocation, which is something we've employed over the last number, number of years. Because of this practice, we've built flexibility, so we can weather different types of market environments, such as the shifts we're seeing today in the current interest rates. We're really comfortable, with where our leverage sits today in the context of interest rates environments, and we don't have any announcements on, on debt repayment today.

Ty Collin
Research Analyst, Eight Capital

Got it. Thanks, Linda. I appreciate that.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Glen from Raymond James. Michael, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Glen
Equity Analyst, Raymond James

Oh, thanks for, thanks for getting me in. Just to start, have you seen any changes at all in in supplier pricing in the period? Is it stable? Is it moving higher, or is it moving lower? This on the consumable side of the business.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Certainly, Michael, this is Richard. I, I'll take that. We are seeing the price increase request slow down a bit, and the volumes of the, the sizes of the price increases come in less than they were this time last year. Having said all that, they're still higher than pre-pandemic. We're still seeing more price increases come in from vendors, and we're still seeing them come in more often than we did. I would also give credit to our merchandising team, and specifically our team that focuses on commodity pricing. We are also having greater success at pushing back on those price increases, and leveraging our data and our understanding, both from our proprietary brand of our business.

Again, 26% of our business is proprietary brands, so we see very specific cost plus environment, and our commodity tracking to be able to push back against those. I, I wouldn't say we've quite yet crested in seeing the level of pressure that suppliers are trying to pass through to us and their producer pricing.

Michael Glen
Equity Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Then just on the Tuesday flash sales, is this a Pet Valu initiative, or are you working with the suppliers on these sales as well?

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

I, I can't share that due to competitive reasons, Michael, when it comes to down to specific promotions. Let me talk a little more generally. The vast majority of the offers we bring to market do have the assistance of our suppliers in them, including our loyalty, which is the largest programs that we operate, where we give the 13th bag free for a lot of our national branded components. I will tell you, we are giving preference to those brands that are making commitments to us as their primary distribution channel for camp.

Michael Glen
Equity Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Thanks for taking the question.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question today is a follow-up from Michael van Aelst from TD Securities. Michael, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to clarify your comments regarding your EBITDA margin expectations for the Q3 and Q4. You mentioned Q3 EBITDA margin would be slightly less than, I think the same or slightly lower than Q2, but is that, is that an adjusted margin you're talking about, or is that... Like, in other words, does that include or exclude that 200 basis points of pressure from the supply chain?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

That exc-excludes, Michael.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Yeah, it absolutely in our Adjusted EBITDA.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Sorry.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Michael, we're referring primarily to the 21% Adjusted EBITDA that we had in Q2 when we make the statement that our Q3 Adjusted EBITDA margin should be similar to slightly lower than that, that 21%, and that is adjusted inclusive of approximately 200 or so basis points for our supply chain actions and transition during Q3. This is the first major quarter of our transition since we are live in the DC with real product and real people moving it around and prepping it for shipment in just a couple of weeks.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Right. If you're excluding the 200 basis points, that's not affecting that margin. What is affecting the EBITDA margin from Q2 to Q3 that normally you would see a step up?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Yeah. It, a, a big one is the FX rates that I mentioned, Michael, as well as some, what we expect is the promotional intensity. Those are two elements that we expect, beyond the transformation, that will hit margins.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay, then for Q4-

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

again.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

What, what was your question?

Linda Drysdale
CFO, Pet Valu

Yeah, I was just about to go there for you. On the Q4, we expect. As we, as we roll off some of the third 3PLs that we've been using, which have been driving the higher distribution costs, so we'll start to see that ease up in Q4. We expect where the FX headwinds that we've been experiencing to also ease up at that point. From the, I'll, I'll go further on the SG&A leverage that we hope to get or that we plan to get, and we're driving those actions as we've talked about, and there's been a few questions related to those, through deferring some of the back-up projects and adjusting staff levels at our, at our corporate stores.

We expect to see SG&A expenses in the second half be reduced, and we'll align those closely to how our sales materialize over the coming months.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. I just, I'm just trying to reconcile your, your sales comments and your EBITDA margin comments to get to your EBITDA guidance for the year. It just seems like the EBITDA margins that you're commenting on don't support the EBITDA guidance. I haven't, I haven't gone through all the math. It seems a little light.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Yeah. Michael, just to reiterate the last point that Linda made, right? We are closely going to watch the SG&A. It's more than just corporate store hours. It is project corporate store staff. We have also been paying a lot of money to use 3PL labor to move product around in these excess warehouses. Even if we haven't been able to roll off the rents yet, till we finish our rent contracts with these 3PLs, we'll more immediately eliminate the labor cost of leveraging these 3PLs, which is a pretty significant impact to Q4.

Michael Van Aelst
Analyst, TD Securities

All right. Got it. Thank you.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Richard Maltsbarger
CEO, Pet Valu

And with that, I'll go, I'll go ahead and take over, and since we have no more questions, and say thank you to everybody, for your time and attention, as always, to Pet Valu and for the depth and interest of your questions. We are really excited about what we're continuing to do in the business, with our double-digit revenue growth, and we're excited to talk to everybody again on our next earnings call in November. With that, the call is completed. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you everyone for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines and have a lovely day.

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