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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Jul 11, 2024

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Richelieu Hardware Ltd.'s conference call for the second quarter and first half ended May 31, 2024. With me is Antoine Auclair, CFO. As usual, note that some of today's issues include forward-looking information, which is provided with the usual disclaimer, as reported in our financial filings. We continue to make good advances in the second quarter, thanks notably to the valuable contribution of our acquisitions, the strong support of our market development strategy, and our value-added service. As a result, we achieved an increase in sales over the comparable quarter of 2023, which is appreciable in the current market condition. This rise reflects the good performance in our manufacturer's market, especially in the U.S., with a growth of 8.7% in the quarter.

Our sales to retailers and renovation superstores were down in Canada and U.S., resulting from a softer market and the impact of some price reduction. Nevertheless, we are currently working on many interesting projects with retail customers that will generate additional sales in the coming periods. In addition, the centralization projects in eastern and western Canada will continue to support our growth in this market. We also focus on the ramp-up and development of our centers that we were expanding and modernizing in 2023. We are happy with this investment that were implemented to better service our customers, support our growth, and access new territories. We already see significant increase in sales versus last year in all of these projects. And now I'll hand it over to Antoine for the financial review of the quarter and first half.

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Thanks, Richard. Second quarter sales reached CAD 407 million, up 2%, resulting from a positive contribution from the acquisition of 2.7% and an internal decrease of 0.7%. In Canada, sales amounted to CAD 276 million, down 1.1%, of which 2.8% from internal decrease, partially offset by a 1.7% positive contribution from acquisitions. Sales to manufacturers reached CAD 232 million, up 0.9%, and for the hardware retailers, sales stood at CAD 44 million, down 10.6%. In the US, sales grew to $150 million in US dollar, up 6.1%. Sales to manufacturers reached $143 million in US dollar, up 8.7%.

In hardware retailers and renovation superstores market, sales reached CAD 7.4 million, down CAD 2.9 million. In Canadian dollars, total sales in the US reached CAD 205 million, an increase of 6.5%. For the first half, sales reached CAD 888 million, up 1.5%, of which 0.5% from internal decrease, offset by 2% from acquisition. In Canada, sales reached CAD 508 million, slightly down by CAD 2.1 million or 0.4%, of which 2.2% from internal decrease and 1.8% from acquisitions. Sales to manufacturers reached CAD 420 million, up CAD 4.3 million or 1%. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores reached CAD 88.2 million, compared to CAD 94.6 million, down 6.8%. In the U.S., sales amounted to $280 million, up 4%, of which 1.7% from internal growth and 2.3% from acquisition.

They reached CAD 380 million, up 4.2%, accounting for 43% of total sales. Sales to manufacturers totaled $264 million, an increase of $13.5 million, or 5.4%, of which 2.9% from internal growth and 2.5% from acquisitions. Sales to hardware retailers and renovation superstores were down 14% compared to last year. Second quarter EBITDA reached CAD 53.8 million, down CAD 7.7 million, or 12.6% over last year. Growth in EBITDA margins continued to be under pressure due to temporary factors, including inventories at higher than current purchasing costs, lower selling price for certain product originating mainly from Asia, plus the temporary impact resulting from the expansion projects. Consequently, EBITDA margins stood at 11.2%, compared to 13% last year. First half EBITDA reached CAD 94.2 million, down 14.8%.

As for the EBITDA margin, it stood at 10.6%, compared to 12.6% last year. Second quarter net earnings attributable to shareholders totaled CAD 23.4 million, down 23.7%, mainly due to amortization resulting from new business acquisitions and expansion projects. Net earnings per share were CAD 0.42, compared to CAD 0.55 last year, a decrease of 23.6%. First half, first half net earnings attributable to shareholders reached CAD 38.7 million, down 27.2%. Diluted net earnings per share stood at CAD 0.69 compared to CAD 0.95 last year. Cash flows from operating activities before net change in non-cash working capital balances was CAD 45.1 million, compared to 50.8 last year. Net change in non-cash working capital items generated a cash inflow of CAD 10.7 million. Inventories continued to reduce as planned, with a positive effect of CAD 22 million this quarter.

As a result, operating activities provided a cash inflow of CAD 55.7 million in the quarter, compared to a cash inflow of CAD 74.4 million in 2023. For the first half, cash flows from operating activities represented a cash inflow of CAD 56.2 million, compared to a cash inflow of CAD 93.2 million last year. For the second quarter, financing activities used cash flow of CAD 38.6 million, compared to CAD 17.8 million last year. During the quarter, the corporation paid lease obligation of CAD 10 million, distributed dividends of CAD 8.4 million, and paid interest on bank overdraft of CAD 700,000. During the quarter, we also repurchased 481,000 common share for CAD 18.6 million. First half financing activities used cash flow of CAD 57.6 million, compared to 29.8 in 2023.

During the first half, we invested CAD 36.2 million, CAD 17 million for the three business acquisition, and CAD 19.2 million, primarily for investment related to the consolidation of our new Calgary warehouse and the purchase of equipment to maintain and improve operational efficiency. We continue to benefit from a healthy and solid financial position with a working capital of CAD 616 million, for a current ratio of 3.3 to 1, and almost no debt. I now turn it over to Richard.

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Thank you, Antoine. First, I'd like to say something about the situation in our Montreal warehouse, where last month, some 125 employees, whose collective agreement expired last December, went on strike. We have taken appropriate measures to ensure that all our local customers continue to be served, thanks to the contingency plan we have put in place. It has to be noted that the strike affect just one of our 114 distribution centers and a small portion of our 3,000 employees. We are confident that a mutually beneficial agreement will be reached very soon. To conclude, we will continue to focus on the development of our expanded and modernized distribution centers in the U.S., as well as our new Calgary location, which enables us to effectively support growth of our manufacturer's market, in addition to centralizing the distribution of all products for retailers in Western Canada.

As well, we will pursue our projects undertaken in the second quarter regarding the consolidation of our distribution activities for retailers in Ontario and Eastern Canada. We are well positioned to seize new opportunities in the renovation market and to benefit from the expected increase in demand in the context of the housing shortage in Canada and in the U.S. Our focus is on profitable growth. This means keeping tight control over our costs and pursuing our winning strategies of innovation, service, and acquisition. Thanks, everyone. We'll now be happy to answer your questions.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Should you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star two. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Hi, good afternoon. So Richard, are you able to share how your year-over-year sales are tracking in Q3 to date for both manufacturers and retailers?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Yes, let me get my, my report. I have that, it's not very far from me. Regarding the kitchen cabinet market, we are flat compared to last year, which is a positive sign. Kitchen cabinet manufacturers represent about 40% of our sales. Interesting to mention that the commercial renovation, which were consisted of millwork and commercial projects, is increasing by, in total, 4.3%, including 6% in the U.S. That's very positive. Other specialized market that is including, you know, the what we call the closet, the closet market here, you know, we're up by 5% all over North America. So it's pretty positive, and we see the downside, though, on the door and window manufacturers, which is typically related to the new construction, and the residential and office furniture that are down from any reason, many reason that we know about.

The office furniture may be because of the people working from home. So basically, these are positive sign, sign that our manufacturers market is behaving quite well. The retailers, as a matter of fact, remains down, but we expect this market to improve because of the many projects that we have undertaken with many of our retail customers. We have new products that came out in the Home Depot stores in Canada three months ago. We have a new project with Home Depot that will be delivered, you know, next fall, I mean, October, November. Many new projects with the RONA. Now that RONA, you know, that they have a new executive that has taken place, a new president, new vice president.

So basically, their mandate is to revive that company that has been, I would say, sleeping for a few years because of what you knew that Lowe's wanted to sell its operation in Canada. So basically, we have many positive signs that give us a clear demonstration that the future looks great with the retailers in Canada. In the U.S., unfortunately, our sales are down because we have lost one customer, but we are in the process of compensating Lowe's sales, Lowe's lost sales back with new customers. What happened with the customers I'm talking about is because they have decided to buy their own products overseas. That's their choice. We don't think it's a good choice, but this is what they have decided. But we think before the end of the year, we should have recaptured that business with other customers.

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Hamir, that's pretty much what we're seeing since the beginning of Q3 as well. The trend is pretty similar so far.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, thanks. So thanks, Antoine. And Richard, that customer you mentioned that you lost in the US, was that a retailer customer?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah, yes, a retail customer. Yes, yeah. I was talking about the retail market, yes.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Perfect. And all the figures that you ran through, appreciate all that, was that organic or is that kind of-

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Organic only. Organic only, no, and not including any acquisitions.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. No, that's, that's very helpful. And then Richard, just turning to, you know, in Q2, you had a 0.7% organic decline. How much of that was weaker volumes, and how much was maybe some price deflation? Because I know you highlighted, pricing on products from Asia were, were down a bit.

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

I will let Antoine try

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah, if you go a bit more in detail, if you look at the reduction in the retail business in Canada, it's pretty much coming all of it from price reduction. The rest, we have some price reduction in the industrial business, but not necessarily material. But the one big ticket item regarding price reduction hits the retail business in Canada, and it's pretty much all coming from there.

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

And mainly for the product that we are importing from Asia.

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. So volumes were pretty stable year-over-year?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah, in quantity of

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

of product sold, it's stable.

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then Richard, as you know, as you look out over the next 18 months, I know Asia is a small piece of your product mix, but are you seeing any signs of perhaps upward price momentum? Because I think for most of your products, there hasn't been any price increases for some time.

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

You are absolutely right, and our operating costs continue to increase. The salary continue to increase as well as the price of the rents, you know, the leases that we have to pay. I feel that, you know, the market will start to increase its pricing, mainly the product from Europe and from America should start to increase. We've seen that with the finishing products, you know, the lacquers and the what we call the paint for the wood product that we sell. So we had our first price increase last month, and expect that the North American products and European products will start to increase early next year. That's not only a hope. I think these guys also have their operating costs increasing, and they're gonna have to do something.

Asia is still slow. The only problem with Asia is that they have not much to do as we speak, so they don't increase their price, but that could change very quickly.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Antoine and Richard, if you see price increases on the Europe and Asia products, are you getting a sign from your suppliers as to the scale of those increases that they might be looking to realize?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

No, not yet. I was meeting with an important customers a couple of days ago, which is Blum, which is a huge supplier. They have a price increase in mind, but they would not say put any number on the table as we speak. So basically, I cannot answer clearly that question.

Hamir Patel
Managing Director, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, fair enough. That's all I had for now. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have a question, please press star one. Your next question comes from Zachary Evershed from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Zachary Evershed
Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Thank you. Congrats on the quarter, everyone.

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Thank you.

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Thank you.

Zachary Evershed
Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

In terms of the rationalization of the cost base that you guys are entertaining, in Eastern Canada and Ontario, could you give us a breakdown of the cost savings that you're expecting, perhaps by bucket?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

Cost saving is important. I will let Antoine answer that question, but I would say, I would like to make a few comments regarding the effect of on our customers. Because what we are doing, we're centralizing some distribution centers that are mainly servicing the hardware retailers. In the retail market, Richelieu's got something like six different product line, which, as we speak, are distributed through six different warehouses. Because we are. These are the result of many acquisitions that we've made in the past. So when we centralize that, what we do for the customer, for the small customer, because other retail business, we sell to Rona, for example, to Home Depot and Home Hardware and those customers, they buy through their distribution centers, which is easy, can be shipped from any warehouse.

But for the small customers that want to place a purchase order at Richelieu, we have six different products coming from six different warehouses. That means that we have six different prepaid. In order to have their freight for free, they have to buy CAD 500 each of the product line. So which is a burden, you know, for the small customers. So now, since we combine everything at the same place, the same prepaid order, you know, CAD 500, applies for all the products.

So that will create more sales because the customers, they don't have that benefit from others or from our competitors, and it will make their life easier for, for, in order to manage their stores, and they will save money, as we will, because while combining those distribution centers, we save on operating costs, and we save on the product handling and everything else, because we still use the same sales force. The difference would be in the labor force, in the warehouse. Antoine?

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Regarding cost reduction, Zach, we're talking about close to CAD 1.5 million in terms of reduction in costs and another CAD 1.5 million when we'll be able to exit the location that we're in, so that should be happening before now and the end of the year. So close to CAD 3 million next year.

Zachary Evershed
Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Those are annual numbers, not quarterly, right?

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

Yeah, annual numbers.

Zachary Evershed
Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

Perfect. And then would you be able to quantify the dollar impact of the strike in Montreal, or would it not be material?

Richard Lord
CEO, Richelieu Hardware

We don't think it would be material. We don't have any. First of all, as I said, that it would be fixed very shortly. And we don't see that should be very detrimental to our sales because we—the contingency plan is very effective, and we have used, you know, our Mississauga, Ottawa, our Quebec, Moncton, and Nova Scotia warehouses in order to continue to serve our customers effectively. The non-unionized people here were working in the warehouse in Montreal. They did a fantastic job. These guys are very efficient learners. They have learned really fast how to do the job, and it was amazing to see the AutoStore and the conveyors running and getting the boxes out of that warehouse.

So we, we don't expect any huge benefit, but it's still early to evaluate all the impacts. Antoine, what do you think?

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

No, no, you're, you're correct. We were, we were monitoring the lines shipped all across our, our network, so, versus what we were shipping before. So we, we haven't seen major impact. There will be a small impact, of course, that's for sure, but, nothing material for, from our point of view as we speak.

Zachary Evershed
Equity Research Analyst, National Bank Financial

That's helpful. Thanks. And then my line did cut out for a moment, so apologies if, if this has already been asked. But, have your expectations for margin levels for 2024 changed at this point in time?

Antoine Auclair
CFO, Richelieu Hardware

So as you can see, for the second quarter is pretty aligned with the, with the first quarter. The gap between the the, the EBITDA margin last year reduced in the second quarter, so it's gonna reduce as well in the third and the fourth quarter. It's gonna be, It's gonna improve. The second half should be better than, than the, than the first half, that's for sure. And next year, if, when we're gonna see the market coming, coming back, we should also see an improvement in margin if, if the market is improving.

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