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Earnings Call: Q2 2019

Aug 1, 2019

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Leonie, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to Artis REIT's second quarter 2019 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question- and- answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. Thank you. Today's discussion may include forward-looking statements, which include statements that are not statements of historical facts, and statements regarding Artis REIT's future financial performance and its execution of initiatives to deliver unitholder value. Such statements are based on management's assumptions and beliefs.

These forward-looking statements are subject to uncertainties and other facts that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Please see Artis REIT's public filings for a discussion of these risk factors, which are included in their annual and quarterly filings, which can be found on Artis REIT's website and on SEDAR. Thank you. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Armin Martens. Mr. Martens, please go ahead.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Thank you, moderator. Good day, everyone, and welcome to our Q2 2019 conference call. Again, my name's Armin Martens, the CEO of Artis REIT . With me on this call is Jim Green, our CFO, Philip Martens, EVP of U.S. Operations, Kim Riley, EVP of Investments, Heather Nikkel, VP of Investor Relations, and Jaclyn Koenig, SVP of Accounting. Again, thanks for joining us. I'll now ask Jim Green to review our financial highlights and some metrics, I'll wrap up with some market commentary, we'll open the lines for questions. Go ahead, please, Jim.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Thanks, Armin. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll keep my comments relatively short. I think as probably the majority of people on the call are aware, our third quarter earnings press release on November 1, 2018 announced a series of new initiatives for the REIT. We've been very busy executing on that strategy, which I suspect will become the main focus of this call. I'll touch on that in a minute. No doubt there'll be questions on it after. The impact of executing the strategy has, in our opinion, resulted in one of the best quarters for us in quite a while. Very pleased with our results this quarter. I'll touch on a couple of highlights. Turn it back. Artis remains a diversified commercial REIT, investing in office, retail, and industrial properties with assets in five Canadian properties, six U.S. states.

Based on Q2 NOI, the REIT is now 52.5% weighted in Canada, 47.5% in the U.S. Since last quarter, that is down a little bit in Canada and up a bit in the U.S. As we announced with our initiatives, we expect the U.S. to become even a larger piece of our operations. On an asset class basis, now 52.2% weighted in office, down a bit from last quarter, 19.5% weighted in retail, also down a bit from last quarter, 28.3% weighted in industrial, up from last quarter. Historically, Artis has had a larger presence in the province of Alberta. We have been reducing that presence, I think very successfully. We sold another Calgary office building this quarter. We do continue to have a presence in the Calgary office market, but it's becoming a pretty small piece of our NOI.

For Q2 specifically, it contributed 6.1% of the REIT's NOI. Relatively small exposure to Calgary office tenant maturities in the near future, with only about 85,000 feet left to complete in 2019, only 46,000 feet maturing in all of 2020. Not a ton of risk to rollover in that market, which continues to be somewhat difficult. Artis continues to be active in both new developments and redevelopment of our existing properties. At the end of June, we had approximately CAD 146 million invested in projects considered under development. During the quarter, there was roughly CAD 38 million, a little more actually, invested into the development projects and transferred approximately CAD 93 million properties from under development to completed projects. We're pleased to see those projects completed and the income from them helping our metrics.

As detailed in the MD&A, there are several new development projects that remain underway, including a new residential tower, 300 Main Street in Winnipeg, a new industrial space in Houston, Phoenix, and Denver. We also have several development projects in the planning stages where the construction has not actively started. They're all progressing well through the development stages. Able to maintain our balance sheet. Debt to GBV is actually up just slightly this quarter to 51.9 from a 51.7 last quarter. We anticipate bringing debt to GBV back under 50% as quickly as we can with the asset sales becoming completed. Our EBITDA interest coverage ratios remain healthy despite carrying a bit higher debt at the present time.

Unit buyback, combined with good same-property growth. Completion of the developments is having a definite positive effect, with FFO coming in at CAD 0.36 this quarter, up from CAD 0.34 last quarter, and up from CAD 0.32 in the comparative quarter last year. Year-over-year, roughly a 12.5% increase in FFO. Very pleased with that. AFFO comparably up CAD 0.02 this quarter from last quarter to CAD 0.27, and up CAD 0.03 from Q2 2018. Again, that translates to about a 12% increase in AFFO year-over-year. Payout ratio is extremely conservative, 38.9% of FFO, 51.9% of AFFO. Just a quick update on the initiatives. I'm sure you'll hear more from Armin and Kim in a minute, but the new initiatives had the goal of increasing cash flow, increasing unit values by increasing NAV, improving the focus and quality of our portfolio.

Distribution was reset to CAD 0.54 annually, resulting in a very conservative payout ratio, as I just mentioned, freeing up cash to fund our development pipeline. Plan also included selling non-core asset sales, somewhere between CAD 800 million-CAD 1 billion, and this process is well underway. As noted, June 30th, we've completed sales of roughly CAD 236 million. We have a further CAD 398 million in our held for sale classification. We anticipate most of those will close in the next two or three quarters. You'll note from the Subsequent Events section that one more property has closed already in the month of July. Further properties are anticipated to be added to the held for sale group in the coming quarters.

Initiatives also included using a portion of our sales proceeds to buy back our units using our NCIB. We started this as soon as the announcement was made in November of last year. From November to June 30, we had repurchased 12.9 million units at a cost of just over CAD 135 million. We used our line of credit to fund these purchases. We plan on repaying the line as assets sell. That ties back into the reason for the debt being a little higher than it was at year-end. In our opinion, the plan to buy back units is well on track and probably ahead of schedule where we anticipated we would be. I'll touch on just a couple of highlights from the operations. I'll pass it back to Armin. On the fair value of investment properties, they're all, of course, valued at fair value.

Was a decline this quarter of roughly CAD 24.5 million. Major changes were due to lower values on some of the properties we've sold or are planning to sell. As we anticipated when we set out into this program, we anticipate that entire group of CAD 800 million-CAD 1 billion will sell at or above our at-risk value. However, some of the ones that we have sold first are actually a bit below the at-risk value. We've recorded that write-down this quarter. We anticipate selling assets in coming quarters that will be above our at-risk value, such that it nets out at the end of the program. I touched briefly on the debt to GBV. We do remain comfortable with it. It's a little higher than we would like it to be, obviously, but we think that will come down in coming quarters. Unencumbered assets will remain strong at roughly CAD 1.9 billion.

The unsecured line of credit remains at CAD 700 million. Non-revolving unsecureds, very comfortable with our credit facilities and available liquidity. Touch on same property for a minute. It's always a nice one to see that that is also a very nice positive this quarter, up 2.9% in functional currency and a positive 4.6% once foreign exchange is factored in. We also present a stabilized same property calculation, which eliminates the properties planned for disposition, as well as the entire Calgary office sector, which helped to consider that stabilized. Once we back those out, the growth in same property would've been 4.6% in functional currency, 6.37% once FX is factored in. Industrial continues to show the strongest performance across the asset classes in both countries, with 2.1% growth in Canada, 12% growth in the United States.

On EBITDA metrics, the main ratios we track are EBITDA interest coverage and debt to EBITDA. Both those metrics, EBITDA interest coverage, we're very comfortable with it. Debt to EBITDA actually improved a bit this quarter to 8.8. We're also pleased with that. Touch on NAV for a minute. Given that we fair value the properties, we can recalculate the net asset value per trust unit. The net asset value came in this quarter at CAD 15.37 compared to CAD 15.55 from last quarter, so it is down. There's a drop of CAD 0.18 quarter-over-quarter. If you look on the income statement at the impact of FX, both on the income statement and on other comprehensive income, there was a CAD 0.19 loss on FX. More than 100% of the decline in NAV is driven by FX.

There was also the loss from fair values that I mentioned before, offset by the income exceeding distributions, also a gain from the Unit Buyback Program. Subsequent Events, I guess we ended the quarter with CAD 95 million cash on-hand and CAD 173 million undrawn on the line of credit. We're very comfortable with our liquidity. Several events in the Subsequent Events note, which we believe continue to reflect our strategy, intelligent recycling of capital, and we plan to continue the focus on a strong balance sheet and the overall quality of our portfolio. That completes the financial review. Very pleased with FFO growth, pleased with our property growth, pleased with the development activities. Got to say, this is one of the nicest conversations I've gotten to have in a while, so much appreciated.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Yeah.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Thanks, everyone, and I'll pass it back to Armin.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Yeah, okay. Thanks, Jim. Again, folks, on balance, we feel we're on track to having a much better year this year than last year. As mentioned, we're making good progress on all fronts and delivering strong performance metrics for our unit holders. Our weighted average rental increase and our same property NOI growth, our NOI growth in total, our FFO, and FFO per unit are all solid and improving numbers, and even our EBITDA debt metrics improved a little. As mentioned, we are making great progress on the strategic initiatives that we announced two, three last year or so. We're in the third quarter of these initiatives, and we're looking forward to the next quarter already. The distribution is a very conservative payout ratio in the low 50%. It's the lowest payout ratio of all the commercial REITs on the TSX.

We feel it's quite bulletproof, safe right now and for the future. Our unit buyback program has, of course, been very successful and accretive. We're well ahead of plan there. Dispositions are ahead of plan. Definitely feel confident that we'll be able to achieve 80% of our three-year plan by the end of this year, if not even more. We're very confident we'll be able to successfully dispose of at least CAD 600 million of our properties, if not more, by year-end. On time and on price, on balance, it's not always a straight line, but on balance, on prices that correspond to our NAV of over CAD 15 per unit. Meanwhile, our portfolio is performing well. The office markets are still inconsistent, but I still feel this is the year that things level off for our portfolio in Calgary, and that will help us a lot.

Meanwhile, our retail and industrial properties have a very good track record and continue to deliver solid organic growth. Our development pipeline is on track and continues to deliver good results as well. We invite you to look at our MD&A and investor presentations for more color here. I think it's important to note that not only are our financial metrics improving, but so is our portfolio of properties. Okay, we're reducing our office and retail weighting, and we're increasing our ownership of industrial properties. We're also reducing the number of secondary markets that we're in. Our Calgary office exposure is consistently shrinking. Our U.S. retail exposure will soon be zero, and the remaining retail properties that we have will shrink from 20%-15% of our total portfolio, but they will be open-air properties and in Western Canada only.

We feel we're in a good place there, as we mentioned, office will be shrinking and weighting, industrial will be increasing. Looking ahead, we'll continue to work hard to keep our buildings full whilst bringing the rents up to market and consistently streamlining and improving our portfolio. The clear integrity of our balance sheet and our credit rating, as well as implementing our new strategic initiatives continue to be of utmost importance to us. That's our quarter, folks. Again, we thank you for joining us on this call. We'll ask the moderator now to open the lines for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, should you have a question, please press star followed by one on your touch-tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please lift your handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question is from Jonathan Kelcher from TD Securities. Jonathan, please go ahead.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Good afternoon.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Hello.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

First question, it looks like you had about CAD 800,000 of lease termination in there in the quarter. What did that relate to?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

The biggest piece of that was actually an industrial tenant in the Phoenix market. Terminated early.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Since then has been replaced by.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Yeah, sorry. Since then has been replaced with another tenant. The space is redone, and we collected a fee from the tenant that left.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

That's good. Then on the CAD 93 million that you transferred from developments in the quarter, how much NOI did that add this quarter?

Kim Riley
EVP of Investments, Artis REIT

Approximately CAD 700,000.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Thank you. There are roughly CAD 700,000 of income this quarter from those developments.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Is that a good run rate? Were they all transferred at the beginning of the quarter?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

No.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

That's table for the quarter. Is it?

That's not the quarter yet. One was in May, and two were in June.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That should go up in Q3 then?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

On ballpark, those would've been developed to roughly a 7% yield on the development properties.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Correct.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Just lastly, it looks like you've slowed down the share buybacks post Q2. Can you maybe give us your thoughts on how you're looking at that right now?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Sure. That was just getting up about the level where we wanted to cap off the debt. Deliberately, we did slow down the unit buybacks. We'll resume as we close some more sales and get our debt down a little bit. We didn't want it to get too much higher and get anybody fussing over the debt levels.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Our debt in Q3, we want it to be lower than our debt in Q2.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay, fair enough. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Matt Logan from RBC Capital Markets. Matt, please go ahead.

Matt Logan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Good afternoon. After a strong same property and a wide growth print this quarter, how should we be thinking about growth on a currency neutral basis over the next 12 months?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Hoping or thinking? We're cautiously optimistic that we can stay in that bandwidth in the same that we are. This was a pretty good quarter. Maybe we dip 100 basis points, but I still always think on balance we're between 2% and 3%, and when we hit 4%, that's a bonus for us.

Matt Logan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

On your sale process with the pullback in bond yields over the last six months, has that had any impact on pricing or investor demand for your assets?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

We can't put our finger on it, but yeah, on balance, I'd say the answer is yes. It is a good time to be selling real estate, and there's a lot of money out there for, especially if it's value add money, or there's a lot of money out there, and in the U.S. in particular, for real estate. It's still asset class and market and sub-market specific, but there's more money available for real estate, commercial real estate than I'd say for sure at this time last year.

Matt Logan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Maybe looking forward in terms of your development pipeline. Obviously, this quarter was probably a little bit stronger than the average quarter. How should we be thinking about deliveries over the next year or so? Is there any color you can provide on the longer-term pipeline?

Philip Martens
EVP of US Operations, Artis REIT

Right now for Park 8Ninety, we are working on a third phase and possibly now a fourth phase. Third phase will be completing construction in the fourth quarter. The Denver development is completing construction in this quarter, the third quarter. We are already getting good pre-leasing activity on both of them. We closed on one of the buildings in Denver for the full building with a credited tenant. We hope to have them paying rents ready in the fourth quarter. We're hoping that by the fourth quarter, we're going to see another pickup as well.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Back to Park 8Ninety, that's Houston. There's a couple of phases left to go there that we're going to accelerate. I think, Matt, right through this year and all of next year, we see ourselves as being able to deliver NOI from new industrial developments. We are working hard now to look for more industrial developments with our partners. A great deal of course.

Matt Logan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great color, guys. Appreciate the commentary. That's all from me.

Philip Martens
EVP of US Operations, Artis REIT

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Jenny Ma from BMO Capital Markets. Jenny, please go ahead.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Good afternoon. Just wondering if you can give us any update or color on what the special committee's been up to and whether or not you've been fielding a lot of incoming calls or had conversations about maybe different strategies of how you want to take the REIT.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Well, none of us in this room are on the special committee. We talked about it earlier, and I was reminded that I'm not a spokesperson for the special committee and can't give any comments there. All I can do is assure you that in the event they have anything remotely important to announce, they will disclose it to the public immediately.

They have been busy, but that's about all we can say, I guess.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Presumably, they've met a few times since the announcement?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Oh, yes.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. All right. Then with regards to the asset sales, have you gotten a lot of incoming calls in terms of not just selling the one-off assets, but maybe on a portfolio basis? Just trying to get a sense of, it's no secret with the attractiveness of industrial, whether or not you've fielded calls for that segment or other segments of your portfolio.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Sure. The industrial, we like to say we could sell before dinnertime, except it's already dinnertime now. Industrial, we get a lot of calls about that, but that's the asset class we're not disposing of, not one single building. We're already over 98% occupied on both sides of the border, our Canadian portfolio as well as our U.S. portfolio. Our GTA Industrial is 99.9% occupied. Embarrassing about that. Minneapolis Industrial is 99% occupied. Really good numbers, good organic growth, new developments as we build them. We want to grow out our industrial portfolio. That's where the inbound calls are coming. Otherwise, what we're focusing on is we're very focused on what we're selling. If we get inbound calls, it's only pertaining to the stuff we're selling. I can't remember the last time I had a portfolio request.

In this market, there still is, in my view, a portfolio discount, so we're not interested in that. The only portfolio premium we might get, it would be for our industrial, but we're not selling that. We're doing fine with our dispositions. We feel very comfortable with them. Concluding our Calgary office, we see some good things happening there soon with our Calgary office disposition.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Actually, on the topic of Calgary office, it's small, but I'm just curious as to why you bought Centre 70. I guess it cleans up the structure, but is there something compelling about that asset that you wanted to own, or what was behind that acquisition?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

More to clean up the structure. Just to be the 100% owner.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

To be clear, it's performing very well also. It's 94% occupied. The rents have stabilized at a lower level. We've gone through the tough times with that building. It's in very good condition. It's a building we don't mind owning. Yeah, it was about cleaning up the structure and simplifying things.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Are there any major rolls in that property, or is it 95% pretty stable?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

They're very stable. They're a pretty good wall.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Last question is, whether or not you have any update on some progress at 415 Yonge in terms of moving forward, potential for development or selling off from that density?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

No, it's being actively marketed now, as you may be aware. We feel there's a lot of interest, and we're very confident that we'll be transacting on that, and something will be firmed up during Q3 for sure.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

In Q3?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Not closing.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

I said firmed up, not necessarily closing, but firmed up.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Firmed up. Perhaps an update for Q3.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Yes.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from Mario Saric from Scotiabank. Mario, please go ahead.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

All right. Thank you. The target dispositions for this year, Armin, you mentioned CAD 600, so it's fairly consistent with the guidance that you expressed last quarter. It seems like that process is moving along nicely. When you look at the fair value loss that you incurred on the assets sold during Q2, was there anything in particular with respect to those assets that would have driven that loss?

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Yeah, it was largely on two of the buildings.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Denver

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

the two Denver office assets, one of which just lost its major tenant. The tenant occupied roughly 70% of the building, will be vacating in October. The other one was a vacant building. Both of those, we took a loss on them just to clean them up out of the portfolio.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

We can tell you we had a gain in every single disposition except for those two Denver ones. There we had bad luck with a major vacancy, and we decided to solve the problem quickly and sell the property as fast as we could and redeploy the proceeds in our unit buyback program.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Both were going to require fairly substantial dollars in tenanting costs and mesh with our strategy anymore.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

The vacancy at one of the buildings was unexpected.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Yes.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. I appreciate the commentary on the NCIB. There's some pretty good progress there. I think during the last call, kind of briefly touched on the potential from SIB, I appreciate that the leverage has ticked up a little bit towards the upper end of where you want it to be. It seems like the disposition program is going fairly well. How do you think about a potential SIB in the second half of this year today versus three months ago?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Well, not on the top of our priority list. We want to finish up with the NCIB. We're at 90% done. We want to get it to 100%, and we want to bring down our debt some more, and then we'll take a look at that scenario. We wouldn't see it happening in Q3.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Okay. Just separately, I noted an acquisition or unconditional purchase agreement on page 12 of your MD&A in Minnesota. Is that a land purchase or is that a purchase of a building? If you could just provide a bit of color in terms of what you're buying there.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

That's a purchase of a building that's 100% pre-leased. It's just under construction. Well, actually, the tenant's in and paying in occupancy already, but not paying rent yet. That'll be completed towards the end of Q3 or early into Q4.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Of course, that was a forward purchase.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Okay, what kind of cap rate are you getting on it?

Kim Riley
EVP of Investments, Artis REIT

I think it's a 6.2.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

It's a 6.2. It was a 15-year lease with 2% annual rental increases.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

A credit-rated tenant. Yep.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Yep.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have a question, please press star followed by one. Your next question is from Dean Wilkinson from CIBC. Dean, please go ahead.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Thanks. Hey, everyone.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Hey, Dean.

Jim Green
CFO, Artis REIT

Hey.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Armin, can you give us an update on 330 Main, 330 Main. Construction's underway. How far along are you on that? What's the time horizon on that and the budget left to go?

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

For sure it's still early days. We're just getting almost at the typical floor level now. It's a 40-story building.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Yeah.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Almost at the typical floor level now. We're looking at completion in the first half of 2022, so it's a long ways to go. It's on time, on budget so far. I shouldn't say on time. We got a slow start. It's on budget, and it's in a good place. We're in a good rhythm now with our typical floor construction. That's the 40-story tower, multi-family with commercial on the main floor. The commercial is leased on the main floor. In addition to that, there's a link in between that 40-story tower and our 30-story office building that's almost finished, and that's fully pre-leased as well. The link will be finished this fall, and it'll demonstrate progress. We're happy for that. Fully leased with a 20-year lease term.

I mean, and that's all about that 40-story building getting built, and then the joy of leasing up that building.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, that will be a rental. They're not condos.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

That's purpose-built multi-family rental. There'll be a lot of amenities. There'll be practical amenities. There's a good dog run there, dog bath, and then at the top floor, the full penthouse floor is reserved for what we call social amenities for all of the residents. You can live on the third floor, you can live on the 16th floor, but you can still go to the 40th floor and enjoy the view and enjoy the meeting rooms and the games rooms and have parties up there as well. We think we have a good concept there. You might recall, we qualified for property tax abatement for an 18-year term. We have 18 years of property tax abatement, both school tax and municipal taxes. That does help as well in terms of phasing in, leasing up, and getting the numbers to work for us.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Perfect. What was the going-in construction budget on that? I can't recall.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Do we give a number? Roughly CAD 190 million.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

About 190. Okay, perfect. That's it. Thanks, guys.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

All right, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed.

Armin Martens
CEO, Artis REIT

Well, thank you again, everyone, for joining us at this time of the day. I'm looking forward to meeting you during the months ahead as the conference season starts again. Thanks again. Have a good evening, and of course, feel free to reach out to us if you have any follow-up questions by email or phone call. Thank you very much again, moderator.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.