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Earnings Call: Q1 2018

May 2, 2018

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 2018 first quarter results conference call for Russel Metals. Today will be hosted by Mr. John Reid, President and Chief Operating Officer, and Ms. Marion Britton, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Russel Metals. Today's presentation will be followed by a question and answer period. At that time, if you do have a question, you will need to press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. I would like to turn the call over to Ms. Marion Britton. Please go ahead.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Good morning, everyone. Hopefully, you've been able to get the slide deck, I'm going to start by reading the cautionary statement on page three. Certain statements made on this conference call constitute forward-looking statements or information within the meaning of applicable securities laws, including statements as to our future capital expenditures, our outlook, the availability of our future financing, and our ability to pay dividends. Forward-looking statements relate to future events or our future performance. All statements other than statements of historical fact are forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are necessarily based on estimates and assumptions that, while considered reasonable by us, inherently involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially than those anticipated in such forward-looking statements.

Our actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in our forward-looking statements, including as a result of the risk factors described below in our MD&A and our annual information form. While we believe that the expectations reflected in our forward-looking statements are reasonable, no assurance can be given that these expectations will prove to be correct, our forward-looking statements included in this call should not be unduly relied upon. These statements speak only to the date of this call, except as required by law, we do not assume any obligation to update our forward-looking statements. If you will turn forward to page five on the slide deck, I'm going to speak to the first quarter results. We had a very strong first quarter. It was CAD 0.62 EPS, earnings of CAD 38 million. It's our highest quarter that we've had since 2018.

Our comparable last year was CAD 0.48. Free cash flow is at CAD 0.97 per share, which is also very high. It's driven off of the earnings. Return on equity at 19% is the strongest over the last five years, which shows on our five-year chart. Net cash was CAD 20 million at the end of the quarter. Also note that in the quarter, we did issue CAD 150 million of 6% senior notes. Thus, we were able to re-increase our net cash because of reduction in bank indebtedness because of the issuance of the CAD 150 million. We declared our dividend of CAD 0.38 per share yesterday. I want to note that there's a subsequent event after the quarter that we previously announced on April 16th, we completed the acquisition of DuBose Steel for $29 million U.S.

Turning to slide six, demand and steel prices are up in all three segments, which is what drove the positive increase in revenues and in earnings, EBIT and EPS. metals service centers average selling price is up 8%. As you know, steel prices have been rising mainly due to 232, but there has been increased demand across certain segments. metals service center tons were up 7% compared to Q1 2017. In addition, our revenues in that segment were increased 3% due to our acquisition of Color Steels Inc. that was completed last September, and there would be no comparable 2017 numbers for that. Rig count is up in the U.S. and it's been basically flat in Canada. We're currently in Canada spring breakup, and we do anticipate that based on seasonality, it may be extended slightly. Energy Products segment revenues increased 13% from Q1 2017.

We had positive results in energy field stores and line pipe, increased sales in both of those operations. In the area of our OCTG, our sales were basically flat year-over-year. Turning to slide seven, point out the EBIT as a percent of revenue, 6.5%, our highest on the chart, and our EBITDA as a percent of revenue of 7.4%. The working capital is currently in our metals operations, CAD 996, which is running similar levels to 2014. Our revenue, if you annualize that, we believe is going to be higher than our 2014 number. On that page also, you will note that total interest-bearing debt for CAD 22.6 increased during the quarter based on working capital increases, and we'll look at the cash flow shortly.

Also going down to the bottom of that other information section, Return on Capital Employed 18% and return on equity, which I previously mentioned at 19%, both very strong for our industry. Turning forward to the cash flow, which is on page 10 of the slide deck. Cash from operations was CAD 71 million. We did utilize cash in the quarter of CAD 49.8 million for working capital needs. You would see that accounts receivable increased almost CAD 100 million. That has to do with significant increase in revenue near the end of the quarter, February, March, compared to the November, December period, and increase the revenue is up obviously year-over-year also. Inventories have increased in the quarter, and that has been offset by significant increased accounts payable and accrued liabilities.

The income taxes line, you will note that we did have payments of CAD 31.2, approximately CAD 22 million of that related to installments in Canada for our 2017 payments. It is higher than our prior first quarter, as our earnings in 2017 were significantly higher than 2016. The other line that I will note on here is the purchase of property, plant, and equipment, that's CAD 10.9, higher than our 2017 number. If you were to look at our commentary that comes later in the deck, you'll notice that we anticipate spending more during this year in relation to value-added processing equipment. We would expect our capital expenditure to be approximately CAD 10 million higher than our depreciation that runs around CAD 28 million. Turning forward to slide number 14. This is the slide with all of the metrics by segment and your comparisons for the quarter.

As I mentioned before, all of our operations contributed to higher revenues and higher EBIT. The metals service centers, quoted the numbers previously, selling price and tons up. Mentioned that in the Steel Distributors area, there was also steel price increases that drove the 21% increase in revenues, as well as higher tons in Canada shipped. Going down to the gross margin as a % of revenue, 22.1% this quarter compared to 22.4% in first quarter 2017. Both quarters had rising steel prices. The one thing to note is that the selling price per ton is a lot higher in this quarter compared to 2017, which is what drives the increase of 33% in our operating profits in our metals service center. The higher price brings more to the bottom line. Energy segment, margins were up to 19.3% in the quarter. The reason of the increase mainly is mix.

As I mentioned earlier that our Apex, our valves and fitting operation steel stores, which is our Apex type operations, had higher results and improved results over the OCTG operations of the same quarter last year. Their higher gross margin would drive the gross margin higher in this quarter. There's also been some increase in selling price in the OCTG area. Steel Distributors had comparable to Q1 '17, although steel selling prices were higher than they were in '17 Q1. It's very strong segment operating profits as a % of revenue. I won't go through them line by line, but you will note also at a total operations of 6.5%, which was on the other slide. The other area I'll just comment on is on page 20, the inventory.

You'll note that our inventory is up based on all the previous quarters, driven by both additional tons, because demand is up, and driven by steel prices. Metals service centers, our tons are up approximately 7% higher than Q1 '17. In addition, we would have inventory related to Color Steels in that number that wasn't there, was there at year-end in September, but not Q1 '17. Note the turns are similar to March 31st 2017. Our Energy Products inventory is up significantly, and turns have declined in that area. Lead times have extended for some of the product, and we have fairly strong activity going on in the line pipe area and in the valves area, so we've been required to increase our inventory. We are watching the inventory levels in that area to ensure they're not getting too high. Those are my comments.

I'm going to turn it back to the operator to ask for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as mentioned, if you do have a question, you will need to press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. Please note that questions will be taken in the order received. If you would like to withdraw your request, you will need to press star followed by two. We do ask that if you're using a speakerphone to please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Your first question will be from Brett Levy at Sellus & Company. Please go ahead.

Brett Levy
Analyst, Sellus & Company

Hey, Marion . Can you talk a little bit about what your strategy is with respect to inventory and how that relates to the various trade cases? Where do you see them going, and how will you position yourself based on where you see things going from this point forward?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

Hey, Brett. It's John. In regards to inventory, we've obviously pulled a little bit ahead in anticipation of the 232, as well as the extended lead times at the mill manufacturers. That's reflective in our turns being at 4.2. Again, we pulled ahead maybe half a turn to a turn. As always, again, we will maintain our turns during the inventory and during the cycles. We feel that's the best way to mitigate against risk. We're not going to take any long positions or any long stretches there in light of what's going on with all the tariffs or the potential quotas. We'll watch closely to see what's happening June 1st. We feel like that will probably be quotas, as we've seen that with South Korea now. Argentina, Brazil have also apparently agreed to those, along with Australia. We'll continue to watch those closely.

We feel like we're positioned either way, whether it's tariffs or if it's quotas, that we're positioned either way to take advantage of that market.

Brett Levy
Analyst, Sellus & Company

In terms of M&A, this is the kind of the traditional question. You guys have made some, I think, very additive tuck-ins in the last little bit here. Are you looking for anything bigger? Is there a particular geography or a product category that seems a little bit more interesting to you as you obviously take advantage of? By the way, congratulations, a very good quarter.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

Thank you for the congratulations. We've said for five years we want to grow the U.S. footprint in service centers. Thank goodness we finally did something in the U.S. in service centers after four years of doing things in Canada. That's definitely our target market where we see the growth just based on geography and footprint opportunities for us. We are seeing a very active market there, as well as we're seeing active M&A opportunities in the field store businesses in both U.S. and Canada right now.

Brett Levy
Analyst, Sellus & Company

All right. Thanks very much, guys. Great quarter.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question will be from Michael Tupholme at TD. Please go ahead.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Thanks. Good morning. I want to go back to, I think, one of the points you made, Marion. I just want to clarify. Did I hear correctly, you suggested that although working capital levels are similar, you expect revenues this year to be higher than they were in 2014?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Assuming that we have continued high steel prices, we have done an acquisition in this quarter. I anticipate that we will come in higher than the 2014 number.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. When you say continued high steel prices, I guess you had in the outlook commentary of the MD&A, there was a suggestion that you do expect steel prices to possibly level off here in the second quarter. Any thoughts on the second half of the year in terms of, do you think we kind of sort of trade sideways, or is there a thought that we could see actually some change up or down in the second half?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

For second quarter, we think, again, we're going to see stable prices where they are. We think we may be plateauing a little bit given a fairly narrow bandwidth on pricing. Demand seems to be stable, increasing slightly in the U.S., with Canada being very stable. Again, barring any unforeseen changes in demand or unforeseen changes with the 232, which those appear to happen daily, but barring anything there, we think we're in a fairly stable operating environment going out as far as the second half of the year throughout. I don't see anything driving it down at this point.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. That's helpful.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

We think it'll be fairly stable.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, John. Back on the 232, you had indicated, I think, that obviously there's a lot of things, a lot of moving pieces here, and things change frequently, as you mentioned. I think you had indicated you think possibly after June 1st, we have the Canadian exemption until June 1st. After that point, maybe looking at the possibility of quotas in Canada. Maybe just elaborate on that a little bit, your thoughts there. Secondly, you had indicated that you sort of see under either scenario, whether there are quotas or tariffs, that Russel is well-positioned to take advantage. Can you just sort of expand on that?

To the extent that there are quotas or tariffs that do come into effect that affect Canada, what might that mean as far as pricing, and how does that allow you to sort of take advantage of the situation?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

I think part of the extension is obviously they're in the middle of the NAFTA negotiations. Those appear to be making traction, I think they've extended it 30 days. It seems to be the preference to move towards quotas, obviously to increase the productivity of the U.S. steel mills with the target goal kind of seems to be around 80%. They're slightly under that 75%-76% capacity today. Without adding the additional tariff but adding a quota, that should keep manufacturing more competitive as well in the U.S. When you flip to the Canadian side, if we go under the quota, the Canadian government needs to be prepared to react. They seemed to start yesterday with some of that dialogue, we don't become the dumping ground in Canada for those products.

Again, where we are positioned with Wirth and with our import opportunities as we see those going in. If the U.S. goes under the quota system, we think there'll be more opportunities to import various products into Canada. Again, as long as the Canadian government moves fairly quickly to avoid being a target for dumping for other countries, I think we'll be in a very good position based on our natural trade lanes and flows that are already out there in the value chain.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

I know this is very complex, to the extent that we do have quotas come into effect in Canada, I understand the U.S. business should be a beneficiary for yourselves. As far as the Canadian operations, am I hearing correctly that you would see possibly some upside on the Steel Distributors' part of your business? Would that possibly be offset by some downside, I guess, on the service center side if we had quotas here in Canada?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

I don't think so. I think that a lot of the Canadian environment that is there for the manufacturing can still move freely under the current NAFTA agreement, unless there's some significant changes there that we're not aware of. As we continue to bring in beams are not made here, heavy plates not made here in Canada. Those become more available. I think we'll continue to use that through Wirth and through metals service centers. There is an opportunity if Canada doesn't move quickly at the government level, that the pricing could disconnect from the historical pricing with the U.S. market. I don't see that at this time. It looks like Canada's moving very quickly to ensure that this doesn't happen.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Just with respect to the strength of margins in the Energy Products segment, Marion, I think, you mentioned there are a couple of factors there. I think pricing has helped, also you talked about mix. Is that favorable mix in terms of what it's doing for the margins? Is that something you expect to continue on really through the balance of the year, given what you're seeing in terms of line pipe activity and demand for the valves and fittings?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Well, for sure we'll see it in Q2 because OCTG is down. We do have some larger line pipe orders that would not be as high gross margin, which will come through stronger in Q3. The mix will continue to be a factor in that quarter. Can't really see out to Q4, I suspect, based on where the activity levels are going, it's going to be a factor all year.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. On the corporate costs, they were a little bit elevated in the first quarter. I think maybe variable comp played a factor there, how should we think about the corporate costs over the remainder of the year?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

You don't need to quite annualize that because some of the accounting requires that RSUs related to retiring individuals need to be accounted over the period to the retirement, and everybody would know who I'm talking about at this point. They're going to be stronger in the first half of the year than they are going to be in the second half of the year. Or higher, I should probably say, not stronger, higher.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Don't quite annualize it. Unless, the good thing could happen that our stock price does go up, and our stock price will drive up the RSU DSUs that are on our statement. I'll just caveat that at the end with stock price could impact its stock-based comp.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. Thanks very much. I'll get back in the queue.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Okay, Michael.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you do have a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. Your next question will be from Philip Gibbs at KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Philip Gibbs
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. My question here is just on the energy side of the equation. How do you see the rest of the year playing out between, call it downhole applications and line pipe applications? Then maybe talk about whether or not that there's a difference between what you're seeing in the U.S. and Canada right now.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

Line pipe's very busy in the United States right now. We're seeing a lot of large projects. We're participating in some of those, which will be very active in third and fourth quarter for us. OCTG remains very busy, especially in the Permian Basin in the U.S. Obviously, we're in a breakup in Canada right now, so things are slowing down for the normal seasonal breakup. We should come back out of that late in Q2, early Q3. Seeing a backlog in Canada that is very solid for the OCTG. Line pipe is not as robust as the U.S., but it's healthy in Canada.

Philip Gibbs
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks, John. I know, clearly freight's been an issue in the U.S. Can you tell us if you're seeing that in the Canadian markets as well? Then maybe talk about how the freight issues could be impacting the cross-border flows right now?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

The inbound logistics, again, we are seeing some of the pressure from that. It's not impacting our business dramatically. Again, with the timing and the inventory turns, we should have time there to cover. On anything that we're sending out, we typically control our own trucking, so we do very little where we actually third-party truck out. We have our own trucks. It will be at least our own trucks that we manage and maintain on our service center divisions. Our energy divisions and steel distribution have seen some pressure on the outbound trucks that I think would be normal for the industry right now that you're referring to. I think overall, we're not seeing it as a big impact for us at this time.

Philip Gibbs
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Okay. Last one for me is just how to think about gross margins for the second quarter. Pricing's up to leveling out in Q2, but I would think still up something. We know costs or inbound steel is going higher. Should we think about the gross margins in the second quarter as starting to level out as well? Could there be further upside? Thanks.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

In relation to comparison to Q1, we saw the largest increase in gross margins in the March month, so it wasn't predominant over the whole quarter. We anticipate that service centers at 22.1% could be as high as, say, 24% or 24-and-something in the next quarter. Then after that, it will flatten out or come down in Q3, depending on where steel prices go. We didn't have a full quarter of ramp-up of higher prices, but as you know, once we work through our inventory, it will flatten out.

Philip Gibbs
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Thanks very much.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is a follow-up from Michael at TD. Please go ahead.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Thank you. Just maybe to pick up on that last question there. When we think about the service center gross margins, putting aside the impact that pricing is going to have, which is obviously very important for the second quarter. Given the continued expansion of your value-added capabilities, do you think there's been some sort of a permanent improvement in the gross margins in service centers relative to average historical levels? If so, what is sort of a more normalized level for the business at present?

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

I think right now there's definitely improvement as we've started this process. Again, as we go across, we've got a long way to go as we continue to add value-added processing. We've talked about we're in the 28%-30% of our volume is being processed, if you exclude our cut-to-length volume. As we continue to add to that should stabilize that processing margin. You'll see some upside, obviously, in operating costs from the timing. At this point, it would be hard to quantify as an exact number as we're still in the infant stages of this growth. I think we will see this continue to grow as we continue to add the processing there. We're having good success with those machines being pulled almost immediately.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. In terms of the tons growth you've seen in service centers, 7% same-store growth in the first quarter year-over-year. I think, Marion, you said Color Steels would have added another 300 basis points to that. Starting in Q2, we'll also have the new Desbois acquisition in there. When you put that in there as well, what would we be thinking about here in terms of year-over-year tonnage growth, not just on a same-store basis, but with the benefit of all those acquisitions or both of them?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

The comment on Color Steels was it was 3% of revenue, there would be a combination of selling price and tons in there. I don't have a good number on that, unfortunately. I haven't tracked the tons. Maybe we can give some color on that when we do our Q2 reporting on what they're actually adding in relation to tons. Color Steels is seasonal because they do service the construction industry, their tons and their addition will be much stronger in Q2, and obviously, we will have the Desbois for almost the whole quarter in Q2. I'll just stop there and say that we'll give some more color about what they're doing to the tons when we do our Q2 reporting.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. Just on working capital. If steel prices level off as you expect they may, how should we be thinking about changes in non-cash working capital going forward? Maybe there's still some investment in the second quarter, given that prices were still rising through part of the second quarter. As we get into the back half, how do we think about changes in non-cash working capital in that period?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

I expect that we're going to have similar increase in second quarter, not quite as high as we did first quarter. I do anticipate some increases due to the activity levels that we're anticipating in line pipe and that during the third quarter. Maybe CAD 50 or slightly more during those two quarters of additional working capital needs is my estimate at this point in time.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Sorry, is that amount for each quarter or that's the cumulative?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

No, that's the cumulative number.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay.

John G. Reid
President and COO, Russel Metals

It's exclusive of any projects or anything going on. Once we hit a plateau, we'll bring our turns back to normal levels, that should flatten out. Again, if you have additional projects that are outside the norm, they obviously have a need for working capital there.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Yeah, selling prices will flatten out. During the quarter, we will be receiving inventory, the quarter being Q2, that's at a higher selling price. Our inventory and conceivably revenues will sorry, AR driven by revenues will go up slightly, too. That's why I do anticipate during the next two quarters, we're having a similar increase of similar to like CAD 50 million.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. Just lastly for me, I know you're still interested in acquisitions, and you talked about that earlier, but more generally, how are you thinking about capital allocation right now? I guess I'm thinking about the dividend. I know we've had obviously a very sharp run-up in steel prices, but to the extent that you think, even if we plateau, but we can kind of hold in at somewhere in around these levels, demand is good. Based on the earnings you did in the first quarter, if you just annualize that, you're well below that 80% level you've historically talked about in terms of paying out dividends relative to earnings over the course of the cycle. Can you just speak to that, the dividend, I guess specifically, and more broadly, capital allocation?

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

We look at capital allocation across all of our operations on a regular basis, such that who's using what for inventory and revenue and where our activity is, to make sure that we have proper capital allocation, each of the units and financing for that. In relation to the dividend, we've made this comment before that we still haven't really earned back what we paid out during the period that we were not making money, 2015, 2016. We'll continue to monitor where we are, but we do need to have some improvement, and we want to continue to look at acquisitions. We need to manage our capital in relation to working capital needs, acquisitions, but support our dividend.

Michael Tupholme
Director, Equity Research, TD

Okay. That's great. Thanks. That's all for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you do have any questions, please press star followed by one on your touch-tone phone. Currently, Ms. Britton, it appears that we have no other questions.

Marion Britton
EVP and CFO, Russel Metals

Thank you everyone for attending, and we'll talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have yourselves a great day.