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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 11, 2022

Operator

Good morning. My name is Scott, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Savaria Corp.'s Q2 2022 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. This call may contain forward-looking statements which are subject to your disclosure statement, contained on Savaria's most recent press release issued on August 10th, 2022. With respect to the Q2 2022 results. Thank you. Mr. Bourassa, you may begin your conference.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Yeah, thank you very much. Hi, everybody. That's a pleasure for me to be here this morning to discuss our result of Q2. Our result of Q2 is exceptional. Exceptional because we make this budget at the end of 2021. The war, we were not speaking about war. Everything was good. The war happened, arrive, stress in materials, cost of a lot of thing, the container and the labor side, some problemo. It's very exceptional that we can realize what we realize in Q2. I will say, Sébastien was telling me that Q2, we can refer that at a new minimum level. I am very happy that we see that we can be better.

I am very happy to hear your question. As usual, I will refer that to the best person in our great group, to my knowledge of it. Can we go for a question, please? No. Just a minute. We missed one thing. We have to have Steve speak a bit about the mathematics of the Q2.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Thanks, Marcel, and good morning, everyone. I'm gonna begin with some remarks regarding Q2 2022 consolidated financial metrics. For the quarter, the corporation generated revenue of CAD 192.1 million, up CAD 13.4 million or 7.5% compared to Q2 2021. The increase was driven by strong organic growth of 9.7% and was somewhat offset by foreign exchange headwinds of 2.2%, netting out to 7.5% growth overall. Gross profit and gross margin stood at CAD 65.6 million and 34.1% compared to CAD 59.9 million and 33.5% for Q2 2021. The increase in gross profit and gross margin was mainly attributable to customer price increases and better fixed cost absorption while still battling inflationary pressures and other supply chain constraints.

Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin stood at CAD 31.5 million and 16.4% compared to CAD 27.4 million and 15.3% in 2021. The increase in adjusted EBITDA dollars and adjusted EBITDA margin is due to improvements in gross margins previously mentioned and was somewhat offset by a decrease in CEWS funding received compared to last year. Now we'll move on to the segment results. Revenue from the accessibility segment was CAD 136 million, an increase of CAD 5.2 million or 4% compared to the same period of 2021. The increase in revenue was mainly attributable to organic growth of 6.8%, which was offset by 2.8% revenue decline due to foreign currency impacts. The weakening of the euro and pound overshadowed the strength in the US dollar versus the Canadian dollar.

Our revenue growth was fueled by both the residential and commercial sectors, and we continued to build our backlog. June 30th, our Accessibility backlog is approximately 11% higher than it was at the end of Q1 2022. adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin for the Accessibility segment, both before head office costs, stood at CAD 25.9 million and 19.1% compared to CAD 23.4 million and 17.9% for the same period in 2021. The improvements in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin are mainly due to improvements in gross margins driven by customer price increases and better fixed cost absorption. Revenue from our Patient Care segment was CAD 43.9 million for the quarter, an increase of CAD 7.8 million or 21.5% when compared to Q2 2021.

Revenue growth included organic growth of 20.2%, which was driven in large part by pent-up demand from the last two years of the pandemic and increased access to long-term care facilities as well as customer price increases. Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin, both before head office costs for the Patient Care segment stood at CAD 6.7 million and 15.3% compared to CAD 4.7 million and 12.9% for Q2 2021. Large increase in adjusted EBITDA margin is mainly due to improvements in gross margins, which were driven by fixed cost absorption and customer price increases.

Revenue generated from the Adapted Vehicle segment was CAD 12.2 million, an increase of CAD 0.5 million or 4% when compared to Q2 2021. Revenue growth for the Adapted Vehicle segment was driven by a 10.1% organic growth and was partially offset by foreign currency impact of 6.1% due to the weakening of the Norwegian krone versus the Canadian dollar. The organic growth was driven by increased ambulance and vehicle adaptations as well as pent-up demand from last year, which was delayed due to vehicle supply shortages. Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin, both before head office costs for the Adapted Vehicle segment finished at CAD 0.6 million and 5% respectively, compared to CAD 1.3 million and 11.2% for Q2 2021.

The decrease in both metrics was mainly due to a reduction in the subsidies and inflationary pressures on the supply chain as well as delays in sourcing key materials. For the quarter, net finance costs amounted to CAD 6.4 million compared to CAD 5.4 million in Q2 2021. The increase is mainly due to a net foreign currency loss of CAD 2.5 million in the quarter, which was unrealized in nature. Interest on long-term debt was CAD 3.1 million in Q2 2022 compared to CAD 3.4 million, excuse me, CAD 3.5 million in Q2 2021, a decrease of CAD 0.4 million. Net earnings were CAD 8.1 million or CAD 0.13 per diluted share for the quarter compared to CAD 2 million or CAD 0.03 per diluted share for Q2 2021.

Adjusted net earnings excluding amortization of intangible assets related to acquisitions reached CAD 13 million or CAD 0.20 per diluted share compared to CAD 10.4 million or CAD 0.16 per diluted share for Q2 2021. This reflects an increase of 25.3% or CAD 0.04 on a diluted share basis. Shifting gears and turning now to capital resources and liquidity. Savaria generated cash flows from operating activities of CAD 14.7 million for the quarter compared to CAD 14.4 million in Q2 2021. Earnings for the quarter was somewhat offset by an investment in working capital, excuse me, inventory in particular, and that's similar to what we've seen for the past three quarters in order to insulate our production and sales activities from continued supply chain constraints and challenges.

As at June 30th, 2022, Savaria had a net debt position of CAD 380.1 million and was in compliance with all covenants. On a trailing 12-month basis, adjusted EBITDA basis, Savaria's net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was approximately 3.3x , and this represents a 0.3% decrease versus where we finished last year. Savaria has funds available of approximately CAD 118 million to support working capital investments, CapEx and other growth opportunities. Looking forward, the current changing macro environments and movements in economic and political fields create uncertainties. However, considering our recent financial performance and our strategic integration plan with Handicare, we remain confident that for fiscal 2022, we will generate revenue in excess of CAD 775 million with adjusted EBITDA in the range of CAD 120 million-CAD 130 million.

With that, this completes my prepared remarks. I'll turn the call back over to you, Marcel.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Thank you, Steve. Very good. Always interesting when we have good numbers, right? We are quite excited to see what will bring Q3, okay, and Q4. As mentioned, Steve, we're very optimistic, okay, about the next six months. We are ready for the question, Mr. Scott.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Derek Lessard from TD. Please go ahead.

Derek Lessard
VP, Equity Research, TD Securities

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Good morning. Congratulations everyone on a really solid quarter given what's going on out there.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Thank you very much.

Derek Lessard
VP, Equity Research, TD Securities

Steve, I had troubles logging in, so I caught the end of your comments at the end of Accessibility. I was just wondering if you could just maybe remind me of what the backlog looks like in that segment.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Sure. If you remember Q1 on the call, we talked about having a record backlog and that backlog has increased again for Q2. Specifically, it's gone up over 11%. Comparing Q2 to Q1, our backlog in the Accessibility segment is up over 11%.

Derek Lessard
VP, Equity Research, TD Securities

Okay, thanks for that. One of the drivers of the organic growth in accessibility that you guys pointed to was Handicare. Could you just maybe add some color to that comment?

Sébastien Bourassa
COO, Savaria Corp

I think, Derek, we had a good organic growth in the accessibility, but to be honest, it's a bit disappointing when the backlog goes up and we're not able to achieve a double-digit growth. I guess the operations are not perfect. We're still working in a challenging environment. We could have a few more people in a different factory. The timing of the parts is not always coming on time. We try again in Q3 to have a better organic growth, but definitely at least the good news is the backlog is there. That's very positive. I think I would say it's pretty much the same from the elevator to the stairlift. Everybody can do a bit more on the organic growth.

Derek Lessard
VP, Equity Research, TD Securities

Maybe just one last one for me before we queue. I'm curious, are the benefits from the new Mexican facility that's supposed to open in September included in your guidance? Maybe just an update of what you're seeing in that opening there.

Sébastien Bourassa
COO, Savaria Corp

I would consider a bit like if you buy a new house, okay. Basically, we're going to get the key of our house September first. September, we are moving in, and in Q4, we are going to start some operations, some light assembly. As we said at the beginning, we are building capacity for CAD 1 billion for the future. This year, there's no expectation from the Mexican factory, but definitely when we do a budget season for next year, we'll make sure that the Mexican factory contribute. Again, it will be a great addition to get some new people, to have shorter lead times of bringing things from Asia. For us, it's an opportunity to rebalance our supply chain. Very positive.

Derek Lessard
VP, Equity Research, TD Securities

Yeah. Thanks for that, Sébastien. Again, congratulations and good luck.

Sébastien Bourassa
COO, Savaria Corp

Merci.

Operator

Scott. Our next question comes from Nick Agostino from Laurentian Bank Securities. Please go ahead.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Hello, Nick.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Hi. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Marcel. I guess a couple of questions for me, specifically on Accessibility. Just wondering, now that we're seeing rate increases here in Canada, are you guys seeing any demand concerns on the residential market side of things, specifically on elevators?

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

I think, Nick, so far we have been quite lucky. Our backlog has increased. I think right now, if you want to order home elevator, it's more three months lead time from Savaria. We used to be at 3-4 weeks lead time. After that, no, don't forget, it's not always new construction. There's a lot of units that goes in retrofit market, and people still want to stay home. Do not forget the pandemic. It is much better, but it's not totally over. After that, we are in many, many different countries. Different countries has different, maybe, economic scenario. For now, okay, for us, it's still very positive.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Okay. Just to be clear, when you say the backlog is up, that's specific to residential elevators?

Sébastien Bourassa
COO, Savaria Corp

That was Accessibility, which is including a platform lift, home elevator, commercial elevator, and stairlift. The old segment is up.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Okay. Great.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Yeah. And Nick, we don't forget this segment is on Savaria. When we go with the end user, these people like deliver almost overnight or very short term. The backlog is not very important, and for them. We don't know exactly the evolution of that because it's not important. For us to have the backlog, and he mentioned that, Sébastien, but when you have 400 elevators to manufacture, that's a real good problem.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Indeed, it is. My other question is, I noticed in your press release, you mentioned as part of accessibility, you do call out the commercial market. I'm just wondering, with more and more of a economies opening up around the world and certainly here in Canada and more of a push to get people back into the downtowns, how is that market doing for you guys relative to the before the pandemic, and at the height of the pandemic? How far back or how much have you been able to recover?

Sébastien Bourassa
COO, Savaria Corp

I think, Nick, I would say that all the segments were up in booking, so including the commercial. I would say the commercial is almost back as the pre-pandemic level. Again, we have a 3-month lead time on some of the commercial elevator. I would say that it's much better on that aspect. People are doing some project. They are doing some renovations. I would say it's quite positive.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Okay. That's good to hear. Maybe two more quick ones. First, is there any way, Steve, if you can call out when you look at your organic growth of 9.5% for total sales, any idea what that organic growth number would have looked like without the pricing increases that you guys have pushed through?

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

I think the picture is different by segment. If we look at the Accessibility segment, the organic growth there was almost 7%, and about half of that would have come from price increases and the other half from volume. On the Patient Care side, it's probably closer to 5% price increases, 5% of the total 20%. Hope that helps.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

It does. Then one last quick question. On the Adapted Vehicle, it looks like you had some strong demand from emergency vehicles, so police and fire or ambulance. Is that something that Is there more in the books when it comes to that segment from emergency vehicles?

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Yes, there is. That segment, and that's specifically again the business in Norway. They will continue to have a strong back half of this year. They're about half of that entire business. The Canadian business is about half, and the Norwegian business is about half. We're seeing a strong backlog in the Norwegian side of the business, so that should continue through the back half of the year and actually into

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Okay.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Quite into next year as well, so.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Okay, appreciate that. I'll pass it on.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Nick.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Go ahead.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Just a minute, okay. I just want to mention that. It seems that, okay, it's not very important, okay, our growth, okay. You will see a difference, okay, of this growth in Q3, okay. We're working on that, okay. We are lucky for the first time in my life, okay, we have a booking that we have, okay. You will see in Q3, okay, and Q4 that the organic, okay, will be higher in growth. Thank you.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

That's for the overall business?

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Yes.

Nick Agostino
Managing Director and Head of Equity Research, Laurentian Bank Securities

Yeah. Okay. Noted. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Frederic Tremblay from Desjardins Securities. Please go ahead.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Bonjour.

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Good morning. First question is on inventories. Just maybe comments on your comfort level with your current inventories. I know there's been mention that it's been increasing for a few quarters as growth in a difficult supply chain environment. Do you anticipate any additional investments into inventory, or are we at a level that's comfortable here?

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Sorry, Fred. Maybe it's your connection that's not very strong. I think your question was around inventory and the investment we made in Q2 and what that potential investment looks like for the rest of the year. Is that right?

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Yes.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Yeah. We did see an increase in Q2, and we saw that in Q1 and Q4 of last year as well. We're seeing that across all of our segments, so it's in, I mean, to a small extent in the vehicle segment, but it's in the patient care and accessibility segments. Our expectation for Q3 and Q4 is to just have increases in inventory in line with revenue increases. We won't see as drastic of a working capital increase in Q3 and Q4 as we did in Q1 and Q2.

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Okay, great. Maybe sticking with kind of the use of cash here. What's your expectation with CapEx for the back half of the year? I guess related to that, leverage declining as well.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

On the CapEx front, the CapEx expenditure year to date has been lower than our budget. We have one sizable project with regards to manufacturing straight stairlifts here in Brampton that is underway, and we had planned for that expenditure in sort of Q2-Q3 timeframe. That will be coming in in Q3 and Q4. We will be back up to our level of about 2.5% of revenue. You'll see in the first half of this year, though, we're below that because that large project is not coming until Q3. Full year, it should be back to that 2.5 range. Our leverage, we saw a good decrease in Q2. We saw a 0.03 decrease versus year end.

We've been guiding towards a half a turn per year, and we're well on track to achieve that. We know that Q1 wasn't as strong, so the fact that we're at 0.3% at a half year, we're pretty happy with that, and we will deliver on at least half a turn this year.

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Okay, great. Last question from me. Just on the pricing side, as you look through, you know, your segments, following the recent increases, do you envision having to announce other price increases in the near to midterm, let's say, based on the current cost environment that you're seeing now?

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

You know something, I am very happy, okay, that we were, I think quite, not quite aggressive, okay, but quite realistic, okay, about what happened, okay, during this year. We are very happy right now at the level that we are, okay. Some of my division, okay, I think, okay, was not as on the ball, okay, that was Savaria. We're looking at that, and we're just following. And if it's like that, like today, maybe that part of Europe has to have some increase, okay, I think we are very satisfied about what we do here in North America. We will follow the flow. Okay.

We are looking, and we are always okay, ready, okay, but we prefer not to increase something when we are at the level that we are satisfied that we are right now. We follow.

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Great.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Follow again.

Frederic Tremblay
COO, Desjardins Investments, Desjardins

Thank you, and congrats on the strong result.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Merci.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question comes from Zachary Evershed, National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Bonjour, Zachary.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Bonjour, Marcel. Thank you for taking my questions. If we dip into a recession, hypothetically, what's your outlook for the pace of organic growth at Patient Care, and what are you hearing from your larger clients in that segment right now?

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

[Steve].

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Yeah. Did you say personal care or patient care?

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Patient Care.

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

Oh, okay. No, no. Again, I can't. You know, we don't have a crystal ball as it relates to, you know, if or when we will be or out of a recession. I think what we've seen, we can kind of speak to our backlog. We can see what, you know, our guys on the ground are saying. We had a very good result.

I guess from organic growth in Q2, it builds on, you know, the strong past couple quarters that we've had. It's been a rebound of spending that's been driving that. As it relates to recessionary environment, I'm not sure necessarily that it'll have any large impact immediately on that business. I think right now people are still, you know, trying to recoup some of the spending that wasn't happening in the past. There's kind of that rebound that we're seeing, the budget dollars that are coming back towards capital equipment. At the same time, you know, for example, there in Ontario, you saw just this past week where they're talking about kind of a crumbling healthcare system and, you know, there's investments that are needed.

I think that's a more of a long-term trend. Recession or not, I do think that there's going to be continued strong growth within kind of the healthcare infrastructure, which is good for our business, right? I mean, in terms of rooms, that's kinda how we measure you know the market. You know, rooms again being the bed, the bed frame, the mattress, the ceiling lift, the sling. That's what we're going after. It's kind of a package deal, and I feel very strongly about that. There is no real concern on our part of any sort of recessionary kind of headwind in front of us.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

I just add, okay, that at Savaria, we are very lucky, okay? For sure, okay, we have always to be lucky, a little bit lucky. When I start this company with my people, okay, we were just four employee, right now we're 2,300 employee. It goes well, okay, because we are there, okay, for the aging of the population, okay? That's our objective, okay? To help these kind of people. War, not war, recession, no recession, the people need our products. We are just very lucky, and we try to serve this industry as well as we can do, okay? It's not maybe recession-proof, okay? But it is. You see at the beginning of the comments, okay, I say, we do our budget, okay, before, okay, the war, okay?

Imagine, okay, and we are right on the spot, okay, of our projection. We can see if something change, okay. It's not recession-proof, but almost because it's the aging of the population.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Excellent color, t hank you. We noticed that U.K. and other revenue dropped by quite a bit. Can you give us some color on what's happening there?

Stephen Reitknecht
CFO, Savaria Corp

We actually did see decent organic growth in our European market, but most of that was offset actually by FX headwinds as I mentioned. You know, when we look at the Accessibility segment, the overall organic growth of 7%, we did see numbers in that range for the European business. I mean, we don't typically disclose at that level, but to my earlier point, it was all more or less offset by FX.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Gotcha. One last one, if I may. Do you think the current environment is good or bad for continued consolidation? What are you hearing from peers in the industry?

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

You know something, that's a good question, okay? We're always lucky here, okay? We know that we have over CAD 100 million that we can take, okay, to make some acquisition. You know, we have some integration to do. First thing is integration, but if we see something available on the market, and as you mentioned, okay, some is available on market. We look at that, okay? We're a team, okay? We just want to do what is the best for our shareholder.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank Financial

Clear for me. Thanks. I'll turn it over.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Marcel Bourassa for any closing remarks.

Marcel Bourassa
President and CEO, Savaria Corp

First, thank you to the people on the call this morning. We are very enthusiastic at Savaria, but the growth of Savaria and growth of our stock depend of the analyst. Thank you very much to think about Savaria and the good work that you do to more people know about the beautiful company that we are. Thank you very much, and see you in three months.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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